Thanks! :) Milind Khadilkar
On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 9:20 AM, Carlos de la Guardia < carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com> wrote: > No dig. We love the caveman. > > Carlos de la Guardia > > > On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 10:33 PM, Milind Khadilkar <zedobj...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> Thanks, Carlos, for expressing certainty that there will be no Zope4 >> (that was the simple question I had asked! >> Thanks also for pointing out substancedD. >> >> Will definitely go through it. >> >> Just one question: is the "civilized" in >> Build civilized web applicationsa dig at the caveman? >> >> >> On Sun, Sep 7, 2014 at 5:30 AM, Carlos de la Guardia < >> carlos.delaguar...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> There certainly won't be a Zope 4, but if you liked Zope and prefer more >>> opinionated ways of doing things, you can take a look at SubstanceD, which >>> is one of Pyramid's full stack offerings and a tiny bit what Zope 4 could >>> have been. >>> >>> http://substanced.net/ >>> >>> Carlos de la Guardia >>> >>> >>> On Sat, Sep 6, 2014 at 3:39 PM, Christopher Lozinski < >>> lozin...@freerecruiting.com> wrote: >>> >>>> >>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >>>> >>>> without citing the source >>>> >>>> >>>> My Apologies. Here it is. >>>> >>>> >>>> http://slacy.com/blog/2011/02/why-im-unhappy-with-the-pyramid-web-framework/ >>>> >>>> I quote: >>>> >>>> I’m having to read through the Pyramid source code trying to figure out >>>> what the heck is going on with configuration. >>>> At it’s heart, the problem with Pyramid is also what makes it great: >>>> They don’t prescribe any one way to do anything. >>>> >>>> On 9/6/14, 9:27 PM, Andreas Jung wrote: >>>> >>>> > Worse yet that code has been optimized making it even harder to >>>> > understand. >>>> > >>>> >>>> So much bullshit, >>>> >>>> >>>> Well for this one, I will just quote from >>>> "Defending Pyramid's Design" >>>> presumably written by ChrisM himself. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> http://docs.pylonsproject.org/projects/pyramid/en/1.3-branch/designdefense.html >>>> >>>> >>>> "We optimize Pyramid aggressively. This comes at a cost: the core >>>> code has sections that could be expressed more readably. As an >>>> amelioration, we’ve commented these sections liberally." >>>> >>>> And that is the author's presumably generous description. >>>> >>>> So is ChrisM also a bullshitter? Then I am in good company. >>>> >>>> I really do have the highest respect for ChrisM, and Pyramid. And I do >>>> think it is a valid choice to use a tool that keeps your options open. But >>>> there is also a valid choice to have a certain way of doing things. There >>>> is a philosophical difference between Grok and Pyramid, and it is important >>>> that someone points it out. I think of Grok as more of a purist approach. >>>> >>>> I like grok. >>>> >>>> Thank you for encouraging a lively discussion. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> Zope3-users mailing list >>>> Zope3-users@zope.org >>>> https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users >>>> >>>> >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Zope3-users mailing list >>> Zope3-users@zope.org >>> https://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope3-users >>> >>> >> >
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