Greg Fischer wrote:
Yes, we need hype! And a "hot" looking site, WITH Web 2.0 features.
Many of these frameworks are providing AJAX capabilities, simple
graphics and data/object access without page reloads. (like I am
using with Dojo right now) What does Zope not provide these features
"built-in"?
And yes, about the central docs. A ton of info is available right on
Zope.org <http://Zope.org>, but I always find more on individual blogs
or other google searches. Zope.org <http://Zope.org> could use a more
intuitive help finder maybe. Actually, how aboot a Zopedigg? Diggs
on just Zope articles and such, with comments? That would be hot!
Better and easier than a wiki, IMHO. The one thing I would say is,
from my perspective, when I have info to share on Zope work I have
done, I like to post on my blog or site, not Zope's. Because I like to
provide a demo or maybe include things *my* way. Having a ZopeDigg
would allow us to post our work in a central repository, and look a
little flashy too.
The video tutorial should be made. Like RoR and Symfony-project
have. It shows beginners how easy something is to do. And they will
download it. I did.
Also, I know this will get some people flaming probably, but Zope
needs more hype for DTML. I KNOW! 99% of you hate it. But every time
I show someone how to do it, their eyes light up. It's very simple
coming from ASP or PHP, once you see it in action. ZPT is just plain
confusing to me. I hate to say this too, but I am doing much more in
PHP these days, partly due to the fact that there exists a large "dtml
sucks" attitude in the community. And even though it has been said
that DTML is not going away, if there is no hype about it, then it
might. And I don't want to keep using Zope without it. Yes, yes, I
know DTML has many disadvantages, but it also has many advantages. I
wish there were more hype about it.
So, here's a big "wish" of mine too. What if Zope was a *complete*
framework, including a web based IDE? I dont mean the ZMI, which is
hot in itself, but a full featured AJAX-ish IDE, built upon Zope. Drag
and drop widgets and properties even. It would also have full database
access built in. Mysql, Mssql, Oracle, Postgresql, all ready to go,
without needing to purchase and configure a database adapter. This
would provide a web based, development framework like .NET using
Visual Studio. Only this would work on Zope, and therefore would run
on Linux OR Windows! It doesnt have to be so comprehensive like VS,
but simple form editor with properties and XMLHTTPRequest capability
would be great. I think we would have a KILLER APP!
Well, maybe I am dreamin? Just thought I'd give my 2 cents.
Hi! concerning the web based IDE I'm currently working on something like
what you describe for Zope3.
You should get on the z3lab-list. You can also get a blog on z3lab.org
and post flash animations:
http://www.z3lab.org/
http://lists.nuxeo.com/mailman/listinfo/z3lab
Regards
/JM
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