While I agree that the zope resources look a bit stale, I think that zope itself has never been so relevant. I am a new zope developer and I find that zope fits well with many of the new web techniques. I haven't bothered to learn much page templates because my site is almost completely built out of a javascript library (extjs) that provides widgets, so I don't need much more than some simple dtml calls. It is build on REST principals which fits naturally with zope as a back end and it is a web service so I don't need a relational database. (relational databases are of limited value when you are building a new web service that will fit within a SOA). Also, Zope is easy to manage through the web so my users don't need to hire a DBA.
I think the problem with zope was that it provided solutions to 2008 web development problems in 2002. If it was a private product I would re-brand it and announce it as the perfect back end for RESTful web services. One suggestion: if only the admin interface was more easily scriptable from command line python scripts. I have seen a few examples but it would be nice to get the whole API in one place in a document or a full featured application. Tim On 9/26/07, baiewola <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Often when you find a product on zope.org, there's just a link out to > another site, so the most recent downloads aren't even available on > zope.org. It's often more useful and faster just to google on your zope > topics, rather than use zope.org. > > How can the community help, that's what we need to know? > > --- Gregory Dudek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > I have been a Zope developer & user for several years. Zope is great > > > > and it has had a major impact on my work. All this to say I am an > > experienced Zope user and supporter. > > > > I think the Zope is in major trouble and the Zope.org web site is > > badly in need of attention. I started using zope in 2001 > > at Xerox PARC and the helpful and persuasive resources at zope.org > > were a major factor. Today, zope.org is full of dead links and it > > very > > hard to use unless you are already experienced. Getting started with > > > > Zope today is harder now than is was, even though the actual software > > > > is better. > > > > A key factor is that from the zope.org web site it is not clear if > > the community is healthy or not, and the general impression is that > > the project is stalled since so many links are dead and defunct (and > > > > in fact I am not so sure of the zope community health myself any > > longer, despite the ongoing zope postings here). In my opinion, > > making zope.org look healthy and be usable is the MOST important > > obstacle for the Zope community. I believe this is both a symptom > > and a cause of disarray in the Zope user/developer community. > > > > Zope was always a bit hairy to get into, without saying anything > > about Plone development or Zope 3, I just want to point out that > > without a clear simple up-to-date main web site, things are looking > > really bad. I introduced some zope-based material in an introductory > > > > computer science course a few years ago with moderate success, but am > > > > starting to doubt it would be appropriate any longer. > > > > I am not criticizing the people on this list or the other Zope > > developers: I have enormous appreciation for what has been built, I > > just would hate to see is dwindle in vitality and use. > > > > Greg > > > > ---- > > > > Appendix (Examples) > > > > Specific evidence (these are just examples): > > 1) search for something, say "user folder" on zope.org > > Pages you get are dated 2001, 2000, 2003, .... > > > > Let's try link 3 for the extensible user folder (one of the > > formerly more popular and useful items in the first few listed). > > Click the "more info link": dead page (Insufficient > > Privileges) > > > > 2) Click "Zope Products" on the sidebar. Most of the listed > > products are old. > > > > 3) "Resources" Sidebar Item. Click "Zope Links". -> Site Error > > _______________________________________________ > > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > > (Related lists - > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________________________________ > Looking for a deal? Find great prices on flights and hotels with Yahoo! > FareChase. > http://farechase.yahoo.com/ > _______________________________________________ > Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope > ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** > (Related lists - > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce > http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev ) > _______________________________________________ Zope maillist - Zope@zope.org http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope ** No cross posts or HTML encoding! ** (Related lists - http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-announce http://mail.zope.org/mailman/listinfo/zope-dev )