I suspect almost everybody on this list is aware that many zope
activities have moved elsewhere, but it still looks bad to have the
main site looking neglected.
For many different reasons. This is even more true for a project
that is all about web development!
Even with the other sites, there are still things (like the list of
other Zope sites) that zope.org is necessary for.
I am very happy to hear that there is high hopes for the future.
As good as the cheeseshop might be, and it does have some nice
features, it's still not as good as the
zope.org product list once was, since the product list was organized
specifically for zope development.
I know this cannot continue on zope.org, but hopefully zope.org can
provide the necessary guidance
for using the other sites.
Greg
On Sep 28, 2007, at 6:13 AM, Philipp von Weitershausen wrote:
Gregory Dudek wrote:
A key factor is that from the zope.org web site it is not clear if
the community is healthy or not, and the general impression is
that the project is stalled since so many links are dead and
defunct (and in fact I am not so sure of the zope community health
myself any longer, despite the ongoing zope postings here). In
my opinion, making zope.org look healthy and be usable is the MOST
important obstacle for the Zope community. I believe this is both
a symptom and a cause of disarray in the Zope user/developer
community.
Zope was always a bit hairy to get into, without saying anything
about Plone development or Zope 3, I just want to point out that
without a clear simple up-to-date main web site, things are
looking really bad. I introduced some zope-based material in an
introductory computer science course a few years ago with moderate
success, but am starting to doubt it would be appropriate any longer.
I am not criticizing the people on this list or the other Zope
developers: I have enormous appreciation for what has been built,
I just would hate to see is dwindle in vitality and use.
Gregory, thanks for bringing this up. Please be assured that we're
aware of this problem just as well. With the Zope Foundation in
place, we can now tackle tasks like zope.org much better. But it
takes time to get settled and we need volunteers. We've made some
progress already, but we're not there yet. There's a committee
which is actively planning on improving zope.org in the near future.
As far as zope.org's focus is concerned, it has shifted, as many
already pointed out. We're no longer trying to make it a site with
member accounts. Software is best released through the Python
CheeseShop (aka PyPI) these days and bug collectors can be found on
Launchpad. Outsourcing high-maintenance factors like these will
allow us to focus on zope.org's actual message: promoting Zope.
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