Hi; In this case, the fact that there was no resonable check for the bottom pin engagement would be a sufficient defense in any litigation.
On Mon, 16 May 2011, John Parncutt wrote: > Geoff your argument explains precisely why we DO need a second rigging > inspection! Things do get forgotten or missed (especially by more > experienced pilots). I am more than happy to sign off on a duplicate > inspection having made damn sure that it is right, why? Not because the risk > of litigation but because I care about the safety of my fellow pilots and > myself. > > > > It is absolutely clear that a second inspection will significantly reduce > the risk of a mistake. > > > > > > John Parncutt > > > > > > > > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net > [mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Geoff > Vincent > Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 5:31 PM > To: p...@kurstjens.com; Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in > Australia.; 'Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia.' > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident > > > > Pam, > > I totally support your sentiments. Additionally, on several occasions I > have deliberately left a rigging item "undone" in full view and on three > occasions the error was not discovered by the second "inspector" who I might > add were all pilots with many years experience. They all would have signed > off the DI if I hadn't then intervened. From my viewpoint there is no > substitute for doing the inspection properly yourself and taking full and > sole responsibility for that. > > Regards, > > Geoff V > > At 04:56 PM 16/05/2011, Pam Kurstjens wrote: > > > > Content-Type: multipart/alternative; > boundary="----=_NextPart_000_002E_01CC13EA.39BBB660" > Content-Language: en-au > > Anyone who countersigns somebody else's rigging is nuts. Unless they have > observed and checked it every inch of the way, fully understand the glider > type they are signing off for, AND are willing to accept liability. > Why do we expose our fellow glider pilots to this enormous burden of > responsibility? > Pam > > > From: aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net [ > <mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net> > mailto:aus-soaring-boun...@lists.internode.on.net] On Behalf Of Matthew Gage > Sent: Monday, 16 May 2011 2:01 PM > To: Discussion of issues relating to Soaring in Australia. > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident > > Rolf, in this I agree with Mike - there is no way that a duplicate control > check (or even DI) would have found the problem. Sadly, such a person would > have spent months in court defending themselves, costing them many thousands > with no prospect of any insurance helping them. > > In practice, the UK do have a 2nd inspection - just with no signature. The > accident report even says this was done ! > > Is it the check that improves safety or the signature ???? > > > On 16/05/2011, at 13:35 , rolf a. buelter wrote: > > > Yea, way more important to cover your ass against litigation then document a > second chance to get it right! > > Allays your miserable Mr. Buelter > > > Date: Mon, 16 May 2011 10:54:25 +1000 > > To: aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net > > From: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com > > Subject: Re: [Aus-soaring] Foka incident > > > > > > Lots of lessons in the Foka crash. > > > > One big one is how fortunate it was the BGA and there was no second > > sigmnature on the DI after rigging. > > > > Mike > > Borgelt Instruments - manufacturers of quality soaring instruments since > 1978 > > phone Int'l + 61 746 355784 > > fax Int'l + 61 746 358796 > > cellphone Int'l + 61 428 355784 > > > > email: mborg...@borgeltinstruments.com > > website: www.borgeltinstruments.com > > Cheers -- Peter F Bradshaw: http://www.exadios.com (public keys avaliable there). Personal site: http://personal.exadios.com "I love truth, and the way the government still uses it occasionally to keep us guessing." - Sam Kekovich. _______________________________________________ Aus-soaring mailing list Aus-soaring@lists.internode.on.net To check or change subscription details, visit: http://lists.internode.on.net/mailman/listinfo/aus-soaring
