The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 707 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: Creaking etc. Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Fuel Spillage.... Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Re: Creaking etc. Fault Code - A/C Compressor ??? Creaking etc. (part 2) Another Creaking Question...UUC
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:56:54 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Roger Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Creaking etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Roger, I would suspect the steering column itself, I have heard of numerous people reporting this on E36s. (looking on the WWW for more info rather than recreating the "wheel") Here you go: http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum///showthread.php?t=245961 Regards, Rich > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Roger Langille > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:02 PM > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: [UUC] Creaking etc. > > > When turning the steering wheel (most noticeable when the car is > stationary) > a distinct creaking sound (much like a door hinge that needs oiling) is > emitted from somewhere inboard of the driver's wheel. > > I've replaced the shocks, lower control arms and bushings, > stabilizer links > and tie rods, but the sound persists. I doubt it's uncommon; > perhaps one of > you can point me to the culprit. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 22:58:52 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I'm baffled. Absolutely baffled. The same organization that could not figure out how to keep a throttle from "sticking open" (as of just a couple of years ago) actually called off a race for safety reasons 30 years ago??! Stan Ben Keyes wrote: > > Neil wrote: > > This debacle would > > never, not in a million years, have been allowed to happen in NASCAR. > > but it did. someone called into "Wind Tunnel" on Speed on Sunday night > and mentioned an event at Vegas in the 70's where the full slate of > normal Winston Cup teams refused to race due to safety concerns, so > Bill France grabbed the support race guys & put them on track in the > alloted time to provide a show for the fans. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 01:10:02 -0400 From: Ben Keyes <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: NASCAR "safety" WAS [USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test] Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stan wrote: > I'm baffled. Absolutely baffled. The same organization that could not > figure out how to keep a throttle from "sticking open" (as of just a couple > of years ago) actually called off a race for safety reasons 30 years ago??! read what I posted below again. the _drivers_ wouldn't race, but the sanctioning body got substitues to run (in different cars, dunno about tires). Ben > Ben Keyes wrote: > > > > Neil wrote: > > > This debacle would > > > never, not in a million years, have been allowed to happen in NASCAR. > > > > but it did. someone called into "Wind Tunnel" on Speed on Sunday night > > and mentioned an event at Vegas in the 70's where the full slate of > > normal Winston Cup teams refused to race due to safety concerns, so > > Bill France grabbed the support race guys & put them on track in the > > alloted time to provide a show for the fans. > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:12:46 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Read the article referenced in the quote below. F1 suggests that all tire manufacturers be PREPARED with a max-performance race set of tires and a backup, conservative set of tires. Michelin chose not to do this. There responsibility, their choice, their loss -- unless there is something more to the story than I know. ---------------------------- Copied from the BMW CCA Club Racing list: Michelin said so. In fact, a big issue that the FIA has with Michelin is that they didn't bring a set of back-up, "safe" tires. The teams are all supposed to have a back up tire of lower performance available for this type of situation (see linked article). Michelin didn't. FIA would have let them change tires if they had any to change to . Even those flown in from France has the same issue--which was mentioned in Speed's coverage, which I heard thanks to TiVo, otherwise no way could I have sat through that entire "race". See http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17713/ for what I think is a pretty sound explanation. I want to blame FIA because they get it wrong a lot, but I think they made a reasonable call in an EXTREMELY difficult situation. IRL had tire issues with the resurfacing, and so did Nascar--but they both found them during test days. Michelin should have run a tire test at Indy. ----------------------------- Stan > From: CsWs wrote: > What most people seem to miss is that the FIA gave Michelin options on > what they could do to run inside the rules. MICHELIN told the FIA the > only way they would run is with a chicane. > > Skip forward to the "show" all the Michelin teams line up there is no > chicane. go round for formation lap and the Mich. teams pull into the > pits. > > The show starts and Michelin teams have given the FIA and the fans the finger. > > No sactioning body is going to have a manufacturer mandate what > "rules" they will run within. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 23:51:58 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To be clear, CsW (Karl) had it right, I was just adding supporting info. Personally, as a racer, I would have raced on the Michelins. I would have either taken it easy in the suspect corner (if a reasonable solution) or changed tires illegally, or done something -- the race teams had a responsibility to the fans (can you say sponsors?). Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Stan Jackson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:12 PM Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test > Read the article referenced in the quote below. F1 suggests that all tire > manufacturers be PREPARED with a max-performance race set of tires and a > backup, conservative set of tires. Michelin chose not to do this. There > responsibility, their choice, their loss -- unless there is something more > to the story than I know. > > > ---------------------------- > Copied from the BMW CCA Club Racing list: > > Michelin said so. In fact, a big issue that the FIA has with Michelin is > that they didn't > bring a set of back-up, "safe" tires. The teams are all supposed to have a > back up tire of > lower performance available for this type of situation (see linked article). > Michelin > didn't. FIA would have let them change tires if they had any to change to . > Even those > flown in from France has the same issue--which was mentioned in Speed's > coverage, which I > heard thanks to TiVo, otherwise no way could I have sat through that entire > "race". > > See http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17713/ for what I think > is a pretty sound > explanation. I want to blame FIA because they get it wrong a lot, but I > think they made a > reasonable call in an EXTREMELY difficult situation. > > IRL had tire issues with the resurfacing, and so did Nascar--but they both > found them during > test days. Michelin should have run a tire test at Indy. > ----------------------------- > > Stan > > > > From: CsWs wrote: > > What most people seem to miss is that the FIA gave Michelin options on > > what they could do to run inside the rules. MICHELIN told the FIA the > > only way they would run is with a chicane. > > > > Skip forward to the "show" all the Michelin teams line up there is no > > chicane. go round for formation lap and the Mich. teams pull into the > > pits. > > > > The show starts and Michelin teams have given the FIA and the fans the > finger. > > > > No sactioning body is going to have a manufacturer mandate what > > "rules" they will run within. > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:00:26 -0700 (PDT) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Apparently because the data showed that the tire was only good for ~10 laps at race speed, multiple tire changes would not have been illegal. As an attendee, I would have much rather watched a race with all the M teams doing 6-7 tire changes, assuming there were enough tires on hand to do this. The better M teams would still have beaten Minardi, who ended up about 4 minutes off the pace. -tammer <--still a bit pissed --- "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > To be clear, CsW (Karl) had it right, I was just adding > supporting info. > > Personally, as a racer, I would have raced on the > Michelins. I would have > either taken it easy in the suspect corner (if a > reasonable solution) or > changed tires illegally, or done something -- the race > teams had a > responsibility to the fans (can you say sponsors?). > > Stan > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stan Jackson Jr. <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> > Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 11:12 PM > Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test > > > > Read the article referenced in the quote below. F1 > suggests that all tire > > manufacturers be PREPARED with a max-performance race > set of tires and a > > backup, conservative set of tires. Michelin chose not > to do this. There > > responsibility, their choice, their loss -- unless > there is something more > > to the story than I know. > > > > > > ---------------------------- > > Copied from the BMW CCA Club Racing list: > > > > Michelin said so. In fact, a big issue that the FIA > has with Michelin is > > that they didn't > > bring a set of back-up, "safe" tires. The teams are > all supposed to have > a > > back up tire of > > lower performance available for this type of situation > (see linked > article). > > Michelin > > didn't. FIA would have let them change tires if they > had any to change to > . > > Even those > > flown in from France has the same issue--which was > mentioned in Speed's > > coverage, which I > > heard thanks to TiVo, otherwise no way could I have sat > through that > entire > > "race". > > > > See > http://www.speedtv.com/articles/auto/formulaone/17713/ > for what I > think > > is a pretty sound > > explanation. I want to blame FIA because they get it > wrong a lot, but I > > think they made a > > reasonable call in an EXTREMELY difficult situation. > > > > IRL had tire issues with the resurfacing, and so did > Nascar--but they both > > found them during > > test days. Michelin should have run a tire test at > Indy. > > ----------------------------- > > > > Stan > > > > > > > From: CsWs wrote: > > > What most people seem to miss is that the FIA gave > Michelin options on > > > what they could do to run inside the rules. MICHELIN > told the FIA the > > > only way they would run is with a chicane. > > > > > > Skip forward to the "show" all the Michelin teams > line up there is no > > > chicane. go round for formation lap and the Mich. > teams pull into the > > > pits. > > > > > > The show starts and Michelin teams have given the FIA > and the fans the > > finger. > > > > > > No sactioning body is going to have a manufacturer > mandate what > > > "rules" they will run within. > > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder > of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of > the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 00:46:42 -0400 From: "Rich Dorffer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Fuel Spillage.... Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> So, on Memorial Day weekend, I was at Mid-Ohio for a DE event. Anyway, during the first session, my instructor and I both get a faint smell of fuel and wonder where it is coming from within the first few laps...a couple of laps later, we are black flagged. We come into the pits and the steward comes over, tells us that we are leaking fuel, they check the fuel cap and come back to tell us it was a bit loose and we are good to go. In short order, we had lost nearly 1/4 tank of fuel which was really, really odd. The rest of the weekend, no issues (and finally, no oil leakage which had been an issue my prior two DEs so leaking stuff seemed to be a trend, good thing I had already done the all aluminum radiator upgrade with KoalaMotorsport). Anyway, fast forward to today. Driving home from work, I get a fairly strong smell of fuel. I had just filled up with gas and I thought to myself that I must be an idiot if I can't tighten a stupid gas cap. I pull off at the next exit, hit an ATM quick and I can still smell the fuel so I pull aside to check the gas cap. Well, it wasn't the gas cap, I didn't even really need to check it to know for certain as gas was spilling all over the ground underneath the car. I ran to turn it off and had already lost 1/2 tank of fuel. Then, I pushed the car forward to get away from the Exxon Valdez puddle on the asphalt to peer under the car. Other than the whole right underside being wet with fuel, I was baffled and couldn't believe with three cars, I wouldn't have one operating currently if I had the M3 towed (318is is at the body shop for some minor work, the 325is has a bad starter and the BMW reman I just bought and installed has a bad solenoid, talk about bad luck). Then it hit me, fuel line to the fuel pump. I pull the seat, pull the cover and find that the fuel line is barely still on the pump and is quite loose (fuel everywhere too). So, I slipped it back on, hobbled to Sears for a new clamp, sopped up the fuel and made my way home to let the car air out (and a little Febreeze....we'll see what that smells like by morning... :-) Moral of the story: If you have an E36 and you haven't replaced the stupid, OE BMW one-time use assembly clamps on the fuel pump (and various other areas of E36s like the power steering reservoir), do it, do it now. Otherwise, you may waste 1/2 tank of premium fuel which will cost you $20 these days while a fuel clamp costs $0.50 and is a little less adventuresome. Later, Rich ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 21:48:01 -0700 From: Brian Ghidinelli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: UUC Digest <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: USGP F1 aka: Bridgestone Tire Test Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stan Jackson Jr. wrote: > changed tires illegally, or done something -- the race teams had a > responsibility to the fans (can you say sponsors?). I read that approximately 80% of an F1 team budget comes from sponsors with the remaining a mix of TV revenue, prize money and so forth. With 19 contests on the calendar, there is a reasonable expectation that sponsors would want back approximately 5% of their monies. That could translate into $10-15 million depending on the team. Ouch. Who will ultimately bear the cost? Michelin? That's certainly an "unexpected" line item on a financial report... Brian Nationwide BMWCCA track events: http://www.MotorsportReg.com/calendar ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 21 Jun 2005 20:40:33 -0700 From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Creaking etc. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> This sounds like the noise my race car has made ever since I put camber plates in it - and that sound comes from the upper strut bushings - the ones right where the shock arm bolts to the strut tower. I have no idea if the stock bushings are prone to making this noise, but a shot of spray lubricant might be in order? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [UUC] Creaking etc. > When turning the steering wheel (most noticeable when the car is > stationary) a distinct creaking sound (much like a door hinge that needs > oiling) is emitted from somewhere inboard of the driver's wheel. > > I've replaced the shocks, lower control arms and bushings, stabilizer > links and tie rods, but the sound persists. I doubt it's uncommon; perhaps > one of you can point me to the culprit. > > While I'm on the subject of annoying mystery sounds.... when the top is > up, there is a pronounced clunking from the rear, over sharp bumps. It > sounds much like a loose exhaust knocking against metal, but isn't. > Remarkably, the sound seems to have something to do with the roof - > perhaps the myriad of metal bits that raise and lower it, yet it seems to > emanate from further back, and lower. I had once thought that perhaps the > sound is always there, and only audible with the 'benefit' of the enclosed > passenger compartment. But that doesn't seem to be the case. It is damned > irritating. > > Roger Langille > PEI Canada > '97 328ic (about 90K miles) > 2000 528it (no creaking, but an occasionally noisy Vanos) > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 06:18:43 -0400 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Fault Code - A/C Compressor ??? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I recently checked my OBD 1, 1995 325 Ti, for faults and found a code 41 - A/C Compressor. The A/C works as well as can be expected from a '95. Any suggestions as to what triggered this code? All drive belts are in good shape, I may have a tension idler giving me some noise, but nothing serious right now. This is a 2.5L single VANOS. Phil This e-mail message is confidential, may be privileged and is intended for the exclusive use of the addressee. If the reader of this message is not the intended recipient, or an employee or agent responsible for delivering this message to the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that any disclosure, distribution or reproduction of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. If the addressee cannot be reached or is unknown to you, please inform the sender by return e-mail immediately and delete this e-mail message and destroy all copies. Ce message, transmis par courriel, est confidentiel, peut etre protege par le secret professionnel et est a l'usage exclusif du ou des destinataires ci-dessus. Toute autre personne qui n'est pas le destinataire designe, un employe ou un representant responsable de la livraison de cette correspondance au destinataire(s) designe(s) est avisee qu'il lui est strictement interdit de diffuser, distribuer ou reproduire ce message. Si le destinataire ne peut etre joint ou vous est inconnu, veuillez en informer immediatement l'expediteur par courrier electronique et detruire ce message ainsi que toute copie de celui-ci. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 09:22:19 -0300 From: "Roger Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Creaking etc. (part 2) Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Thanks very much to John Bolhuis, and Rich Dorffer for their tips. I'll pursue both remedies. On closer inspection, I found I can duplicate the creaking simply by standing at the driver's side corner and pushing it down quickly. As a bonus, yet one more sound is produced - a metallic 'clink' as if a metal piece were striking a another loosely attached metal part. It's relatively high-pitched (hence the 'clink', as opposed to a 'clunk'. I know... this is beginning to sound like a Monty Python skit, or a Peter Sellers dialogue). Given that the sounds can be produced without turning the steering, I suspect that, while lubing the steering column bearing will no doubt be a good idea, there seem to be other things amiss. Your suggestions are welcome. Roger Langile '97 328ic (nosier by the minute) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 22 Jun 2005 08:32:14 -0500 From: "Batt, Jeff \(GE Healthcare\)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Another Creaking Question...UUC Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello all...in my '95 e36 M3, ONLY WHEN IT'S WARM OUTSIDE (over 80F), I hear a squeak when going over large bumps (like leaving parking lots, hitting large potholes, etc.)...it seems to be coming from the rear drivers side. I seem to only hear it at low speeds, but that might just be because I the low speeds make it easier to hear. I've had it for about 2 years. I was hoping it would go away when I replaced the shocks/upgraded the mounts and added the mount re-enforcements last summer...but it didn't...it's exactly the same. Any thoughts from the group? Any way to grease the swaybar or other suspension points? Thanks, Jeff Germantown, WI -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 10:41 PM To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: [UUC] Creaking etc. This sounds like the noise my race car has made ever since I put camber plates in it - and that sound comes from the upper strut bushings - the ones right where the shock arm bolts to the strut tower. I have no idea if the stock bushings are prone to making this noise, but a shot of spray lubricant might be in order? Joe ----- Original Message ----- From: "Roger Langille" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Tuesday, June 21, 2005 7:01 PM Subject: [UUC] Creaking etc. > When turning the steering wheel (most noticeable when the car is > stationary) a distinct creaking sound (much like a door hinge that > needs > oiling) is emitted from somewhere inboard of the driver's wheel. > > I've replaced the shocks, lower control arms and bushings, stabilizer > links and tie rods, but the sound persists. I doubt it's uncommon; > perhaps one of you can point me to the culprit. > > While I'm on the subject of annoying mystery sounds.... when the top > is up, there is a pronounced clunking from the rear, over sharp bumps. > It sounds much like a loose exhaust knocking against metal, but isn't. > Remarkably, the sound seems to have something to do with the roof - > perhaps the myriad of metal bits that raise and lower it, yet it seems > to emanate from further back, and lower. I had once thought that > perhaps the sound is always there, and only audible with the 'benefit' > of the enclosed passenger compartment. But that doesn't seem to be the > case. It is damned irritating. > > Roger Langille > PEI Canada > '97 328ic (about 90K miles) > 2000 528it (no creaking, but an occasionally noisy Vanos) > > > Search the > ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > ____ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the > BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com ________________________________________________________________________ __ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
