The BMW UUC Digest Volume 2 : Issue 641 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Urethane Bushings. LED replacements for interior lights Re: LED replacements for interior lights E30 Glass Sunroof Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Re: E30 Glass Sunroof FS: 17x8 wheels to fit BMW E30M3 5/6/7 series Re: Eurethane suspension bushings Re: Eurethane suspension bushings e46 advice?
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 06:29:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Neil Deshpande <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Urethane Bushings. Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Rob: I'm reluctant to replace my upper control arm bushings with urethane on account of the 4x higher stiffness that comes with the increase in durometer (55 to 90 durometerA?). This would lead to accelerated wear of other parts in the car, primarily ball joints. At 150k miles, I suspect some of the minor vibration at 55mph my car has comes from lash in the joints and not from the nearly-new M5 upper control arm bushings. Front-end R&R will follow this summer. As for Brett's information, it reminds me of something Galileo once said: In questions of science the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual. Neil Deshpande 92 M5 *** What a crowd likes is often contradictory to the actual reality of the situation. That the E28 crowd persists in using E32 750 bushings when E34 M5 bushings are superior is a case in point. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 10:25:25 -0700 From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "[uucdigest]" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: LED replacements for interior lights Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting DIY outfit selling LED replacement bulb assemblies and regulator circuit assemblies, many automotive applications including interior lighting. I have no financial interest, etc. http://www.taskled.com/history.html Barry ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 15:39:02 -0500 (GMT-05:00) From: Phil <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "[uucdigest]" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re: LED replacements for interior lights Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Interesting. I wonder if this would set off the V1 laser detector as do the Chevy Trailblazer and GMC Envoy center high mounted stop lamps? Phil 92 E36/M50 -----Original Message----- From: JKerouac <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: May 3, 2005 12:25 PM To: "[uucdigest]" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>, bmw digest <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: [UUC] LED replacements for interior lights Interesting DIY outfit selling LED replacement bulb assemblies and regulator circuit assemblies, many automotive applications including interior lighting. I have no financial interest, etc. http://www.taskled.com/history.html Barry Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com __________________________________________________________________________ In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 13:33:14 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: E30 Glass Sunroof Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hello All, I recently managed to puchase a used E30 glass sunroof. I know there are a few of you out there that know quite a bit about these, and we have probably conversed in the past about them. I am trying to determine if I have obtained all the necessary components to install the unit. Particularly, any components unique to the glass sunroof. What I purchased was advertised as a complete assembly. What I received was the framed glass panel with the cables attached and short track-like piece at the end of each cable. I also received some sort of separate brace or molding piece (part # 622 497 or 497 622, can't remember which). And I got the privacy shade, but not the surround roof section for it (too big to ship reasonably?). I'm assuming that I can relatively easily have a surround roof section for the privacy shade fabricated. The privacy shade is missing its handle and needs to be re-upholstered anyway. Are there more components that should have been included? More special components that I need? Perhaps someone has a list of the unique components and a diagram showing them? Thanks! Stan ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 18:29:16 +0000 From: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Stan inquired about glass sunroofs. I'll tell you what I know as my eta (I'm third owner) came with a 'dealer installed' Webasto sunroof. (Which I sold.) Mine did not have a privacy shade. My car also has a manual sunroof FWIW. When I did the switch to a steel panel the only thing I changed was the panel. The only difference in the parts were the tabs that attach to the headliner on the steel panel model. These tabs were cut short (as they no longer a need for a headliner.) All other parts were remained in the car. (cables, crank etc.) My steel version works fine other than I am not using a headliner with it. Shade aside, I would think it is easier to switch to glass from steel. Gilbert '87 eta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:07:00 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Gilbert Hoffman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Gilbert, I was told this one is electric, though I don't know how to be certain. I hope that you are correct that it is simply a panel change. That is what I was guessing. Thanks for the info, Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Gilbert Hoffman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 2:29 PM Subject: RE: [UUC] E30 Glass Sunroof > >Stan inquired about glass sunroofs. > > I'll tell you what I know as my eta (I'm third owner) came with a 'dealer > installed' Webasto sunroof. (Which I sold.) Mine did not have a privacy > shade. My car also has a manual sunroof FWIW. When I did the switch to a > steel panel the only thing I changed was the panel. The only difference in > the parts were the tabs that attach to the headliner on the steel panel > model. These tabs were cut short (as they no longer a need for a headliner.) > All other parts were remained in the car. (cables, crank etc.) My steel > version works fine other than I am not using a headliner with it. Shade > aside, I would think it is easier to switch to glass from steel. > > > Gilbert > '87 eta > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 15:23:48 -0400 From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com, [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Stan, I think you are confusing the E28/E23 roof with the plastic drain and channel piece and the E30. There is no surround for the privacy panel. I bought the E30 installation instructions off an eBay seller fo $25 or so some time back. Let me see if I can find them. E28 ones are in the factory manual. Ed Stan Jackson Jr. wrote: >Hello All, > >I recently managed to puchase a used E30 glass sunroof. I know there are a >few of you out there that know quite a bit about these, and we have probably >conversed in the past about them. I am trying to determine if I have >obtained all the necessary components to install the unit. Particularly, >any components unique to the glass sunroof. > >What I purchased was advertised as a complete assembly. What I received was >the framed glass panel with the cables attached and short track-like piece >at the end of each cable. I also received some sort of separate brace or >molding piece (part # 622 497 or 497 622, can't remember which). And I got >the privacy shade, but not the surround roof section for it (too big to ship >reasonably?). > >I'm assuming that I can relatively easily have a surround roof section for >the privacy shade fabricated. The privacy shade is missing its handle and >needs to be re-upholstered anyway. > >Are there more components that should have been included? More special >components that I need? Perhaps someone has a list of the unique components >and a diagram showing them? > >Thanks! > >Stan > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 23:14:43 -0400 From: "Stan Jackson Jr." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Ed MacVaugh" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: E30 Glass Sunroof Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Ed, Installation instructions would be great, thanks! I'd be happy to pay for a copy. By "surround" I meant the ceiling section that the privacy shade slides forward and back in. There has to be some sort of frame and track to hold that privacy panel. I'm not confusing it with the E28, I'm just making an assumption based on looking at it. However, I do know that the E28 has a similar design. Stan ----- Original Message ----- From: Ed MacVaugh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com>; <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:23 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] E30 Glass Sunroof > Stan, > > I think you are confusing the E28/E23 roof with the plastic drain and > channel piece and the E30. There is no surround for the privacy panel. > > I bought the E30 installation instructions off an eBay seller fo $25 or > so some time back. Let me see if I can find them. E28 ones are in the > factory manual. > > Ed > > Stan Jackson Jr. wrote: > > >Hello All, > > > >I recently managed to puchase a used E30 glass sunroof. I know there are a > >few of you out there that know quite a bit about these, and we have probably > >conversed in the past about them. I am trying to determine if I have > >obtained all the necessary components to install the unit. Particularly, > >any components unique to the glass sunroof. > > > >What I purchased was advertised as a complete assembly. What I received was > >the framed glass panel with the cables attached and short track-like piece > >at the end of each cable. I also received some sort of separate brace or > >molding piece (part # 622 497 or 497 622, can't remember which). And I got > >the privacy shade, but not the surround roof section for it (too big to ship > >reasonably?). > > > >I'm assuming that I can relatively easily have a surround roof section for > >the privacy shade fabricated. The privacy shade is missing its handle and > >needs to be re-upholstered anyway. > > > >Are there more components that should have been included? More special > >components that I need? Perhaps someone has a list of the unique components > >and a diagram showing them? > > > >Thanks! > > > >Stan > > > > ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 03 May 2005 13:36:05 -0400 From: "Peter Guagenti" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: FS: 17x8 wheels to fit BMW E30M3 5/6/7 series Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I have a set of 17x8 ASA AR1's for sale to fit the E30M3, and 5/6/7 series. You can see the ad for them at: http://www.turnermotorsport.com/html/bmw_sale_info.asp\?ID=33219 I can sell them with our without tires. Listed price is w/o, but a complete set of 245/40-17 Michelin Pilot Sports mounted on the wheels is available for an additional $500. The rears are brand new and the fronts have ~4/32nds left. -peter*g ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 12:46:39 -0700 From: "RussC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Eurethane suspension bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Hi Rob, Long time since we chatted, good to hear from you... While I agree with your statements, the reality is that most E28 owners(me included) are a pretty cheap bunch. So when the shimmy arrises, we try to replace parts one at a time. While this is not optimal, it's the reality. Then, by the time all the compents are replaced, the upper arms are bad again! I've done this myself, but have resisted the temptation of poly bushings to date. So then, just to fix the problem with out throwing the kichen sink at it, they step onto the poly stuff, and from my communication with the E28 poly users, hold up and cure for a longer term front end shimmy. See, this is why we miss your presence in the E28 community, it's almost universaly not known that the E34 ///M5 bushing is better than the E32(I didn't know). I'll get the work out as best I can, Thanks, RussC > Date: Mon, 02 May 2005 03:28:42 -0400 > From: Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > Subject: Re: Eurethane suspension bushings) > Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > What a crowd likes is often contradictory to the actual reality of the > situation. That the E28 crowd persists in using E32 750 bushings when > E34 M5 bushings are superior is a case in point. > > Replacing the bushings only and looking at their durability is an > exercise in blindness; the bushings themselves are only part of their > own longevity in the E28... the condition of the center link, lower > arms, and brake rotors are all contributing factors. In all reality, > these components must be looked upon as a group to service > simultaneously. One bad component in the group adversely affects all > the others. The E34 and E32 are not much different. > > In terms of "holding up", urethane apparently wears in different ways > than rubber. The stiffness prevents the fore-aft movement aspect of > the multi-axis function of this bushing, which can mask the bigger > problem of enlargement of the center mounting hole. One missing > symptom that masks the development or worsening of another is not what > I would call "holding up pretty well." > > Lots of good information is often ignored or hidden by "the consensus" > of internet bandwagoneers. Let's not make that mistake with this > particular piece of information from Brett. > > - Rob > > > On May 2, 2005, at 3:06 AM, RussC wrote: > > > While I mostly agree with Bretts commentary, the E28 crowd likes using > > the > > poly bushings for the upper control arms. The stock bushings fail in > > no > > time if the car is used sportingly, and the 750 replacements are only a > > longer fix of ~50% more time. The consensus is the noise is minimal to > > "can't tell" and seem to hold up pretty well. > > > > RussC ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 3 May 2005 17:16:46 -0400 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Eurethane suspension bushings Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I was an E28 owner long enough to learn, several times, that it's "false economy" to replace one part at a time. I would hope that's public knowledge by now. That, plus the fact that they are driving BMWs, gives me little sympathy for the "I can't afford to do proper maintenance" sob story. If someone can't afford to maintain an E28, a newer Toyota at the same initial cost will be cheaper to maintain. Ploy bushings aren't cheaper than OE, so I'm not sure how that helps. The video that Brett posted was _my_ E34. I did not have any significant shimmy, just a hint one time which I thought might have been brakes. However, I was having all sorts of other symptoms and it didn't click that the bushings could be the problem. So you trade shimmy for clunking and odd handling traits. I'm going back to OE for those bushings and staying with them. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "RussC" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2005 3:46 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Eurethane suspension bushings > Hi Rob, > Long time since we chatted, good to hear from you... > > While I agree with your statements, the reality is that most E28 owners(me > included) are a pretty cheap bunch. So when the shimmy arrises, we try to > replace parts one at a time. While this is not optimal, it's the reality. > Then, by the time all the compents are replaced, the upper arms are bad > again! I've done this myself, but have resisted the temptation of poly > bushings to date. So then, just to fix the problem with out throwing the > kichen sink at it, they step onto the poly stuff, and from my communication > with the E28 poly users, hold up and cure for a longer term front end > shimmy. > > See, this is why we miss your presence in the E28 community, it's almost > universaly not known that the E34 ///M5 bushing is better than the E32(I > didn't know). I'll get the work out as best I can, > > Thanks, > RussC ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 4 May 2005 10:19:31 -0400 (EDT) From: Mark Andy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: e46 advice? Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Howdy, So we may be in the market for a newer bmw... Anything to watch out for on the e46 cars in terms of maintenance or just general "man, I wish I'd found one with the xyz option!"? How's the usable space in the 323/325 wagon compared to other small wagons like a Jetta or mazda 3 or whatever? Are there any significant handling differences between the 323, 325, 328, and 330 models in the e46 from say 2000 on? Presumably there are power differences.. :-) What sorta money would say a 2001 or 2002 -ish 325 wagon with 40k miles or so and in excellent condition demand? What sorta maintenance should I expect on such a car for the next 30k miles? Mileage is important to us, as is reliability... Does that mean we'd rather find a rwd car vs. awd or ?? Do the stock e46 cars run on 87 octane or premium? What's the real world highway mileage? Thanks! (my wife is all over the map on what she wants for a car... Two days ago we were looking at Jetta wagons, a month ago it was used c5 corvettes! :-) Mark ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(12 messages) **********
