The BMW UUC Digest Volume 3 : Issue 412 : "text" Format Messages in this Issue: Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching Re: Big Brother is watching - carchip E36 alarm remotes X3
---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:35:56 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, February 28, 2007 10:26 am, [EMAIL PROTECTED] said: > Has anyone else received the subscription come on for Racer magazine? It > really infuriates me that they make the form look like an invoice down to > the second, underlying copy being a slight yellow to make it look like a > contact carbon. "Racer" isn't the only one guilty of this. > The intent is that you think it's a bill and just pay it. Well, duuh :-) Just like sp*m, they hope to land a few of the less-intelligent, more-gullible members of our society. > Anyone have a phone number for these a-holes? I thought this kind of fraud > had disappeared a few years ago. It's not fraud, it's deception. There is a difference :-) Falling for it isn't the fault of the sender :-) My 2 cents, Jim Bassett - knows which subscriptions he has, all others go in the shredder ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:51:14 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Deception is morally worse than fault; it's malicious intent. Legally speaking, of course it's a different matter. The law doesn't care much about morals, just legislation. - Rob ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > It's not fraud, it's deception. There is a difference :-) Falling for it > isn't the fault of the sender :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:59:41 -0500 From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> <snip> > It's not fraud, it's deception. There is a difference :-) Falling for it > isn't the fault of the sender :-) same could be said about getting nailed by smoky sitting on the side of the road / center island... speaking of which, has anyone read C&D's 'bear in the air' story from the current (April?) issue... -Jason '86 951 "Sparky" '70 240Z "Dusty" '97 Contour "Bambi" '03 325xi "Daisy" ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:53:37 -0500 From: "Rob Levinson * UUC Motorwerks" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: <OT> Subscription fraud Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jason Kay" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > <snip> > > It's not fraud, it's deception. There is a difference :-) Falling for it isn't the fault of the sender :-) > > > same could be said about getting nailed by smoky sitting on the side of the road / center island... Absolutely. A society where a citizen engaging in the same safe activity as the 85th percentile has to be afraid of it's law enforcement is a society living under conditions no better than the worst oppressive regime. If traffic LEOs wore burkas, Bush would be laser-targeting patrol cars. - Rob ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 11:56:24 -0800 (PST) From: Carlos Lopez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, P Kroon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Cc: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> -- Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I will point out that I said it was me (who has had a bit of > instruction > now) driving the M3, not my kid. :-) I definitely plan on having > some professional instruction for the kids when they get to that age. Heck these days you don't even need pro instruction. Every BMW club member I hope knows about the Street Survival program that is aimed at teens. I was watching the local news a couple of days ago and they had a story about teenage drivers and had a bunch of statistics about the number of deaths a year caused by their accidents and other facts. The story eventually led up to a parent (who was a road racer, SRF I think) who would teach his kids accident avoidance in a snowy parking lot among other "survival" skills. I thought that would be a great lead in to programs like Street Survival or maybe even like the Mid-Ohio school for teenagers so at least parents would be aware such programs exist, but nope. They more or less ended it by saying parents should teach their kids a little more car control. <sigh> Carlos. 98 M3 89 325i ____________________________________________________________________________________ Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business. http://smallbusiness.yahoo.com/r-index ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:36:32 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, February 28, 2007 11:56 am, Carlos Lopez said: > I thought that would be a great lead in to programs like Street > Survival or maybe even like the Mid-Ohio school for teenagers so at > least parents would be aware such programs exist, but nope. Oh, so close. :-) > They more > or less ended it by saying parents should teach their kids a little > more car control. > <sigh> Right. And who's going to teach the parents? Jim Bassett - feeling his "inner cynic" today, apparently :-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 12:59:09 -0800 (PST) From: Tammer Farid <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> --- Jim Bassett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Jim Bassett - feeling his "inner cynic" today, apparently > :-) > My problem is that my "inner cynic" has beaten up my "outer optimist," gagged him, and stuffed him in the closet. So now I just have no faith in anyone, particularly when it comes to things like personal responsibility and such. Maybe I'm TOO cynical, but I wonder if the insurance companies want to actively discourage programs that make drivers more competent because it will eventually reduce their revenues. Remember that no matter how many wrecks they pay out on, they still bring in more in premiums. Safer drivers = reduced payouts, but also lower premiums. -tammer ____________________________________________________________________________________ The fish are biting. Get more visitors on your site using Yahoo! Search Marketing. http://searchmarketing.yahoo.com/arp/sponsoredsearch_v2.php ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:54 -0800 (PST) From: "Jim Bassett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> On Wed, February 28, 2007 12:59 pm, Tammer Farid said: > My problem is that my "inner cynic" has beaten up my "outer > optimist," gagged him, and stuffed him in the closet. LOL! Good imagery. (I don't think I ever had an "outer optimist" :-)) > Maybe I'm TOO cynical, Nah, sounds about right :-) I had an "epiphany", I guess, a couple of years ago. I would get upset when my insurance rates would go up just because I happened to have a speeding ticket on my record. Nevermind that I have NEVER had a chargeable accident. EVER. But then I realized, insurance companies aren't in the business of providing insurance, they're in the business of making money. Ah ha! :-) I wasn't necessarily any happier about it, but at least I had achieved a bit of "understanding". > Remember that no matter how many wrecks > they pay out on, they still bring in more in premiums. Yep. Certainly in my case I could total probably 3-4 cars, and they'd *still* be ahead :-) Jim Bassett ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 13:18:23 -0800 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To further expand on Paul's input: "in the VAST majority of cases the driver's limits are by far the limiting factor in safe driving, not the vehicle's limits." I would suggest that insurance companies would better spend their money on funding advanced driver classes rather than nanny cams. They could then easily track the cost benefits since they have so much prior data. -Kevin ---------------------------------------------------------------- This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of it. Thank you. ---------------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 15:49:12 -0600 From: "Dennis Wynne" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I don't think anyone would disagree with teen drivers needing more training.Heck, all drivers need more training and we need to pass a "no cell phone use while driving law". Our local school system said they could "no longer afford" it and removed the discounted "driver's ed" from the schools. I paid $300 each for my teens to go through a commercial training program that gave them enough training to QUALIFY FOR THE INSURANCE DISCOUNT. I shouted since, like driver's ed, they did not learn as much as they should - but I get paid back for the $300 by discounts every month on insurance. We also did the Driver's Edge school when they came to town, a little more about car control in the event - but not nearly enough seat time. Keep in mind we are talking about teen drivers - not the rest of us. For the majority of teens it is pretty much when they will wreck, not if they will. No matter what age they start driving, they have to try to build experience without having accidents - which can be tough to do. If the car cameras let parents check up on them and nip bad habits in the bud then so be it. If your kid is at fault in a wreck it will pretty much be figured out without a camera, what would be bad about having the video used against the kid would be if they are drinking, drugging, or doing something intentional on camera that caused the "accident". I would rather KNOW what is going on than worry about what may or may not happen to any video that is recorded - I think :-) Dennis On 2/28/07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > To further expand on Paul's input: "in the VAST majority of cases the > driver's limits are by far the limiting factor in safe driving, not the > vehicle's limits." > I would suggest that insurance companies would better spend their money > on funding advanced driver classes rather than nanny cams. They could then > easily track the cost benefits since they have so much prior data. > > -Kevin > ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Feb 2007 14:05:46 -0800 From: "JS Nord" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> The only thing is that nanny cams work well in the binary decisions of "at fault". They record the event (supposedly) to determine fault. While I concur that drivers schools are more effective on macro level, they do nothing to resolve an individual situation. I'd suggest this is what truly matters to insurance companies... ----- Original Message ----- From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [UUC] Big Brother is watching > > To further expand on Paul's input: "in the VAST majority of cases the > driver's limits are by far the limiting factor in safe driving, not the > vehicle's limits." > I would suggest that insurance companies would better spend their money > on funding advanced driver classes rather than nanny cams. They could then > easily track the cost benefits since they have so much prior data. > > -Kevin > > > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > This e-mail communication is confidential and is intended only > for the individual(s) or entity named above and others who have > been specifically authorized to receive it. If you are not the > intended recipient, please do not read, copy, use or disclose > the contents of this communication to others. Please notify the > sender that you have received this e-mail in error by replying > to the e-mail. Please then delete the e-mail and any copies of > it. Thank you. > ---------------------------------------------------------------- > > > > > Search the ARCHIVES:http://www.mail-archive.com/bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com > > > __________________________________________________________________________ > In memory of Michel Potheau - friend, enthusiast, founder of the BMW CCA. > > UUC Motorwerks - BMW Performance Fine-tuning and home of the Ultimate > Short Shifter - accept no substitutes! > 908-874-9092 . http://www.uucmotorwerks.com > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 07:43:49 -0500 From: "Fuerst, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: Re: Big Brother is watching - carchip Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Too bad it's only for 1996 and newer. I only have 2 out of 6 it would work on and the wife and daughter won't give up their rides for the middle demonseed. Is there an OBDI chip out there? 1st -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dennis Wynne Sent: Wednesday, February 28, 2007 11:46 AM I ended up putting a Davis "Car Chip" in the car. It plugs into the OBDII port and records trips, engine load, speed, distance, g's (acceleration and braking only), and other stuff. They now have one with an alarm beeper - so you set it for 0.25g or whatever and 70mph or so and it beeps if that is exceeded rather than wait for the date to be downloaded and then be fussed at. Like the DriveCam it reports if someone tampers or unplugs it. So we would pull the chip from time to time and run reports and check things out. These can be used to pull codes and reset the CEL lights as well. http://www.davisnet.com/drive/products/carchip_products.asp There is another company that has a 4 axis version that you install under the seat that works in a similar manner but can detect high g turns as well. If my insurance company offered me the DriveCam and I had teen drivers, I would sign right up. Dennis ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 01 Mar 2007 09:29:56 -0800 From: Peter Loron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com Subject: E36 alarm remotes Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> I've got a line on a BMW alarm brain box for my 98 M3. I don't yet have the part number. I know that the BMW remotes for those units were the "round" two button units, FCC ID: A269ZUA111. I did an eBay search for that ID number, and turned up not only BMW remotes, but Subaru ones as well. Several had pictures that were identical to the BMW units (black, roundish, two grey buttons). Any idea if those would work? Also, any info on the compatibility with the newer "diamond" shaped key remotes like this one: http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=http://i2.ebayimg.com/02/i/06/b8/76/be_2.JPG&imgrefurl=http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/BMW-Keyless-entry-Key-Remote-3-series-E46-5-series_W0QQitemZ320017439716QQcmdZViewItem&h=150&w=200&sz=5&hl=en&start=15&tbnid=lL0Ga0ADIg7z-M:&tbnh=78&tbnw=104&prev=/images%3Fq%3Dbmw%2Bkey%2Bremote%26gbv%3D2%26ndsp%3D18%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Den%26sa%3DN I know the key itself is useless, but I'm curious if the remote is compatible. Thanks. -Pete ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 1 Mar 2007 15:12:49 -0500 From: "Fuerst, Chris" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "UUC Digest" <bmwuucdigest@uucdigest.com> Subject: X3 Message-ID: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Is anyone aware of a decent X3 in the NE? The only one I can find is at Gault for $26K. I have no idea what they run for. Probably 20-30? Thanks, 1st ------------------------------ End of [bmwuucdigest] digest(14 messages) **********
