the anti-spam passion always gets funny :) a similar but certainly costly non blockable, but regulated by bad laws, is the legislation they passed on unsolicited fax transmissions...
then again, I bet everyone doesn't attack their postman/post office about all the unsolicited paper form junk mail they receive :) even if a mail server being open is theoretically bad and your blocking it prevents some mail from flowing through it we are talking about hindering another's ability to provide service in an open environment... certainly whoever, raises any suit will notably sue both those blocking and ORBZ then. blocking because of risk is bad bad bad.. it is unproven... the likelihood that someone is going to do something wrong is unfounded until it happens... the impact on public health and safety therefore is about 0. the whole over reactive security aka I hate spam approach is way too far... whether a relay is open because it is, or admin hasn't hardened it or it is testing or a number of other things... I say this all because we handle near 500 domains across various platforms and they certainly receive a lot of spam... but it hardly is something that even causes much effort more than a few delete key presses.. ORBZ service is just horrible... basically wait for days... configure, reconfigure, etc.... I wish ORBZ would write a crawler to find security holes in others web servers then destroy their DNS ability/records since they haven't patched... now that would be nice.. sure would cut down on all that spare traffic absorbed by admins who haven't patched or won't in months. Now that would be useful :) -paris -----Original Message----- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:37 To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists? It's the fact that the legit folks get nailed as well. Listen..we all agree that spam is evil...we all agree that mail servers should not be open.....BUT is it so bad to give the folks running the server a chance to fix it first?? My issue is that once found to be open it is incredibly difficult to get off the blacklist. This means that legit folks can be without mail for a long time. Even if ORDB continues to aid in stopping legit mail, they could at least invest in some decent hardware and bandwidth. I mean 5-10 hours to test a mail server is so ridiculous it's not funny. If they are going to keep it up then the test should be avble to be performed in a matter of minutes and not hours. They suck....I'm right...so na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;-) Bryan Stevenson VP & Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. p. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
