To avoid Nimda, CodeRed, et al, I usually leave the network cable unplugged
when installing.  I then disable IIS, replug the network cable, install SP,
then turn IIS back on.  Pretty simple.

Personally, I think it's OK to get blocked.. as long as notification and
retesting happen in a timely fashion.    I agree that the whole process
could be done in a matter of minutes rather than hours.

I still believe that you are responsible for the consequences of your
configuration.

----- Original Message -----
From: "Jochem van Dieten" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:11 AM
Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists?


> Bryan Stevenson wrote:
>
> > It's the fact that the legit folks get nailed as well.
> >
> > Listen..we all agree that spam is evil...we all agree that mail servers
> > should not be open.....BUT is it so bad to give the folks running the
server
> > a chance to fix it first??
>
>
> I would also very much like a chance to update my Win2K to SP2 and
> supply some security fixes directly after install, but Nimda always gets
> there first. Shouldn't I get a chance to fix it first?
>
> Face it, it is the way things work. You may not like it this way because
> you were running an Open Relay and got locked out, but I like it this
> way. And I control what email gets through to my server.
>
>
> > My issue is that once found to be open it is
> > incredibly difficult to get off the blacklist.  This means that legit
folks
> > can be without mail for a long time.  Even if ORDB continues to aid in
> > stopping legit mail, they could at least invest in some decent hardware
and
> > bandwidth.  I mean 5-10 hours to test a mail server is so ridiculous
it's
> > not funny.  If they are going to keep it up then the test should be
avble to
> > be performed in a matter of minutes and not hours.
>
>
> Actually, hardware and bandwidth are not the issue, sufficient testing
> clones spread around the globe and testing interval randomization are
> the issue. If they simply used 1 IP to do all the testing it would be
> pretty simple to lock out that IP. If they use more but test immediately
> it is still very easy to lock out their IPs.
>
> Jochem
> 
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