I'll agree that a blackhole list for web servers is a great idea. Definitely a far greater risk and traffic waste than open relays.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Paris Lundis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "CF-Talk" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:20 AM Subject: RE: OT: SPAM lists? > the anti-spam passion always gets funny :) > > a similar but certainly costly non blockable, but regulated by bad laws, is > the legislation they passed on unsolicited fax transmissions... > > then again, I bet everyone doesn't attack their postman/post office about > all the unsolicited paper form junk mail they receive :) > > even if a mail server being open is theoretically bad and your blocking it > prevents some mail from flowing through it we are talking about hindering > another's ability to provide service in an open environment... certainly > whoever, raises any suit will notably sue both those blocking and ORBZ then. > > blocking because of risk is bad bad bad.. it is unproven... the likelihood > that someone is going to do something wrong is unfounded until it happens... > the impact on public health and safety therefore is about 0. > > the whole over reactive security aka I hate spam approach is way too far... > whether a relay is open because it is, or admin hasn't hardened it or it is > testing or a number of other things... > > I say this all because we handle near 500 domains across various platforms > and they certainly receive a lot of spam... but it hardly is something that > even causes much effort more than a few delete key presses.. > > ORBZ service is just horrible... basically wait for days... configure, > reconfigure, etc.... > > I wish ORBZ would write a crawler to find security holes in others web > servers then destroy their DNS ability/records since they haven't patched... > now that would be nice.. sure would cut down on all that spare traffic > absorbed by admins who haven't patched or won't in months. Now that would be > useful :) > > -paris > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > Sent: Thursday, December 06, 2001 11:37 > To: CF-Talk > Subject: Re: OT: SPAM lists? > > > It's the fact that the legit folks get nailed as well. > > Listen..we all agree that spam is evil...we all agree that mail servers > should not be open.....BUT is it so bad to give the folks running the server > a chance to fix it first?? My issue is that once found to be open it is > incredibly difficult to get off the blacklist. This means that legit folks > can be without mail for a long time. Even if ORDB continues to aid in > stopping legit mail, they could at least invest in some decent hardware and > bandwidth. I mean 5-10 hours to test a mail server is so ridiculous it's > not funny. If they are going to keep it up then the test should be avble to > be performed in a matter of minutes and not hours. > > They suck....I'm right...so na na na na naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa ;-) > > Bryan Stevenson > VP & Director of E-Commerce Development > Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. > p. 250.920.8830 > e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
