-Caveat Lector- > An intermediate form is an intermediate form. It proves nothing.
correct. however, one of the many things that *do* prove something is the skeletal structure. read on.. >The > intermediate form of a whale is obvious. Its overall body form is > fish-like. It has fin-like flukes..FORM like a fish. That proves: > > (a) fish became whales > (b) whales became fish > (c) both of the above > (d) neither of the above none of that is relevant, and the accepted theory right now says that the answer is d. a whale has fins, yes, but underneath those fins are fingers; something that no fish has. therefore it cannot have much of anything at all to do with fish. as i ponted out earlier, however, a whale may be an intermediate form into an entirely new life form. we'll just have to wait to find out. the point here is that no respectable biologist is going to look at a whale and say "hey! it looks like a fish, so it must be an intermediate form" because, as you've pointed out, this is not good science. however, studying bone structures and vestigal features is.....within the framework of the existing theory. theory + evidence = conclusion. do you have a better explanation of why the skeletal structure of a whale resembles a land mammal? why it has finger and toe bones underneath it's fins? > It doesn't prove anything. Valid science is rational-empirical. What we > observe (empiricism) is fish and whales and some creatures like whales > whose morphology is intermediate. ...... > Scientism is both religious and > scientific quackery. agreed to some extent. i'm just pointing out that some (most) of your science is wrong. >To reason out (ie rationally) connect fish and whales > by intermediate form you need a mechanism. It isn't small horses asses > becoming big horse's asses that gives you the mechanism. in this case, there is no mechanism, because it conflicts with the fossil record. >That is called > selection (natural or artificial). not to get from fish to whales, it's not. > It works well for horse's asses. that it does. >But > you need a horse's ass to start with and apply selection to. Wings and > legs and such are NEW forms. that they are. >You can apply artificial selection very well > in the lab. It will give you bigger or smaller fins or flukes. that it will. >It won't > turn a fin into a leg. That requires a mechanism like MUTATION or GENETIC > ENGINEERING. Mutation, as explained already doesn't work because it is > almost always deleterious and even the few adaptive mutations are small in > effect. but if you add them all up over time, they are very large in effect. for example, giraffes used to have short necks. once in a while a giraffe with a slightly larger neck would be born and they'd get more food that way. in time, the shorter neck giraffes died out and we're now stuck with the larger necked ones. that doesn't mean that one day a giraffe with a neck three times longer than his/her parents was born and that was that. evolution is a slow process that has added up over billions of years. mutations themselves are very, very rare; but that's ok because most evolution is actually accomplished through variation, which i'm sure you can identify as extremely common. >Yes it is usually random as someone else posted. 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