On Friday 26 April 2013 21:38:33 dave did opine:

> On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 20:19 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > On Friday 26 April 2013 20:17:22 dave did opine:
> > > On Fri, 2013-04-26 at 14:48 -0400, Gene Heskett wrote:
> > > > On Friday 26 April 2013 14:44:38 andy pugh did opine:
> > > > > On 26 April 2013 16:42,  <kqt4a...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > You have saved me a lot of money, headaches and possible
> > > > > > alcoholism I need to rethink my hobbies to fit my space, maybe
> > > > > > a nice quilting frame
> > > > > 
> > > > > The thing is, that a lot of these machines look the same, but
> > > > > are built to different standards.
> > > > > The forerunner of most of the cheap lathes was the Emco Compact
> > > > > 10: http://www.lathes.co.uk/emco/page7.html
> > > > > My cheap Indian knock-off of the cheap Chinese knock-offs of the
> > > > > original German design is not very nice at all, but it could
> > > > > have been OK if it had been built by someone who had ever seen
> > > > > a lathe before.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I think that there are some people on this list who have links
> > > > > with Smithy and are keeping quiet to retain impartiality.
> > > > > 
> > > > > The trick is probably to make sure you have a look at the
> > > > > machine in the metal, and twiddle the knobs, before comitting.
> > > > 
> > > > Which explains why I have not yet purchased the GO704 from
> > > > Grizzly, I have yet to stop by the showroom in Muncy PA and found
> > > > one actually on display. The dog & pony show says we can't keep
> > > > one long enough to set up up out here.  Something tells me there
> > > > is a reason they won't let us spin the wheels.
> > > > 
> > > > That thing is a BF20 or a BF30? I'm confused.
> > > > 
> > > > Cheers, Gene
> > > 
> > > Hi all,
> > > My first machine was a Griz. I sold it to my BIL and went to an
> > > auction and bought a real mill. He got for about what I paid for it
> > > but it came with lots of tooling I'd acquired. OTOH, my cinci cost
> > > less than the Griz and there is simply no comparison in quality.
> > > The cinci came with ballscrews and X and Y servo motors. Just add
> > > $$$ for a control plus emc (that in itself dates it) and Voila!
> > > 
> > > Dave
> > 
> > True Dave, but even my 8" thick garage floor is not up to holding up
> > some of the Cinci's I've seen.  Sitting on this WV yellow clay, even
> > a 1000 lb machine will slowly sink.
> 
> My soil is good for about 3000 psi. I poured a 3+ inch layer of 4.5"
> slump 6 sack with #4 bar in a grid at 2' centers. AFIK nothing is
> shifting after 25 years.  ;-)
> 
> Dave
> 
I'd damned near kill for soil like that.  This shit will NOT stay where I 
put it.

Cheers, Gene
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