On Wed, Apr 26, 2023 at 12:58:34PM -0400, John Clark wrote: > On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 9:07 PM Tomasz Rola <rto...@ceti.pl> wrote: > > > > * > My version is, if there was anything like type2/3 civilization, it > > would quickly become a pest to everybody around.* > > > Only if the neighbors had something that a type 3 civilization didn't, and > I can't imagine what that could be.
I propose the neighbours posess mental sanity. > > *Now guess what would be the next thing happening to them. Yes indeed, no > > trace of them.* > > > That sounds like the premise of the "three body problem" books which made > for a fun read but fundamentally didn't make a lot of sense. A type 3 > civilization would have control of the energy output of an entire galaxy, > what would they have to fear from anybody? I have not read "3BP" yet, only its description in Wikipedia. Sounds interesting but maybe later. I have also once found description of "The Killing Star" by Charles Pellegrino and George Zebrowski [1] to be interesting and much like how I imagine such things could happen. As of relations between hypotetical neighbors, I do not think anybody would make big fuss if one of them decided to suck full energy of their star (i.e. becoming Type2). I can hardly think about any use for such a project, especially one that stays inside limits of their home. I mean, star is projecting this whole energy outwards, so the idea of sucking it up and keepeing it inwards sounds fishy and possibly hints of some mental condition. But okay, it is their energy and their star, and if they want to cook themselves hard then why not. But it could also be used to enable some deranged gizmo project, mega-zeta-interstellar-laser or speeding up subrelativistic torpedos, so anybody going Type2 will simply draw a lot of attention to themselves and should expect being infiltrated, monitored, etc. And boy they better allow it. As of becoming Type3, I simply do not think it is going to be allowed. Any move towards such end would probably result in annihilation without unnecessary talk. Because we are among adults and adults know the meaning of their own and others actions, especially threats. Attempting any movement towards Type3 is like displaying huge "here lives future galactic Hitler". I think it is very much like asking to end ones misery, when one cannot control oneself for much longer. So, you are right, in a way - he who is Type3 has little to be afraid of (but I would proposition he starts paranoia about his closest circle, because this is the lesson from history). However I cannot imagine neighbours patiently wait and look at this guy pumping himself up. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Killing_Star -- Regards, Tomasz Rola -- ** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature. ** ** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home ** ** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened... ** ** ** ** Tomasz Rola mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com ** -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Everything List" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to everything-list+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/everything-list/ZEspt58TV6XAYxaz%40tau1.ceti.pl.
