Bronte, you're over generalizing. Of course I get your
point about the possible "dangers" involved with an
overcontrolling guru. But you seem to try to apply
this to every guru/chela relationship and it just
ain't so. MMY is a great example of an
over-controlling guru. You cut your teeth on him, like
I did, so of course you're head shy about gurus. Just
don't say all guru relationships are like this. And by
the way, the majority of people who attempt to learn
an instrument on their own, don't. They know three
chords, two songs, etc. Some people can learn an
instrument on their own, but they're alweays listening
to music, so the music is their guru. The odds of
going from avidya to realization without help from the
Absolute in some form or shape is just about nil.
--- Bronte Baxter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Bronte:
> My friend, what should I call you? I can't
> pronounce your web name -- so, "friend": Thanks for
> this observation, and I agree: learning to play an
> instrument is often easier with a teacher, but not
> always. And teachers are not essential, although
> most gurus will tell you that they are. It's one
> thing to say "I'm a great real estate agent and will
> help you sell your house if you like" versus saying
> "You will never sell your house without my help, you
> poor miserable schlep." The latter being analogous
> to most gurus are saying. And I'll continue to gripe
> about that kind of manipulation.
>
>
> --So which approach is easier, with, or without a
> teacher? (in
> generaly, don't talk about isolated exceptions). In
> advance, let's take
> care of one exception: HWL Poonja. He states that in
> his last
> incarnation (prior to being "HWL Poonja"...died in
> the 90's), he was an
> advanced Krishna-bhakti Yogi. Then as Poonja in the
> course of his
> travels as an engineer, he happens to get an urge to
> visit Ramana
> Maharshi in his cave. Poonja tells RM about his many
> visions of
> Krishna, and RM asks, "Are you having a vision right
> now?". Then after
> a few more leading questions RM in essence tells
> Poonja he's "already"
> Enlightened. Poonja "got it" and became Enlightened
> on the spot.
> But then, RM was a teacher, wasn't he?
>
> In FairfieldLife@ yahoogroups. com, Bronte Baxter
> <brontebaxter8@ ...>
> wrote:
> >
> > ---Sure, one can get Enlightened without a Guru;
> likewise, one can
> > learn how to play the violin without a teacher.
> (as Borak would
> > say...."NOT" !).
> >
> >
> > Bronte:
> > Curious, I know lots of people who've taught
> themselves musical
> instruments.
> >
>
>
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