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This is a very.....very old page with some "dreams" about PowerSDR GUI interface..... http://www.cqdx.it/sdr1000/sdr1000box.html 73 Beppe IK3VIG At 18.30 19/09/2007, you wrote: >Hi all, > > >Someone once said every single person with two hands and two eyes wants a >different GUI. Seems to me, using vCom one can build any GUI wanted or >use any existing GUI, minimize PowerSDR and get on with (ham) life. > >In fact one can argue very strongly PowerSDR should apply basic software >design principles and completely separate the GUI from the controller >("radio.") That being done we can have a multitude of GUIs... Layers of >abstraction, API's and all that good stuff... Simplicity of development, >ease of test etc, etc, etc. > >As an example, the entire DXLab suite is a GUI for PowerSDR. That said, >I expect to run PowerSDR minimized most of the time. IHMO, vCOM/Kenwood >is a wonderful first cut at a loosely coupled standard between the >graphic user interface and the controller. > >Just think, we can have DXing GUI's, Contesting GUI's, EME GUI's, rag >chewing GUI's, emergency Com GUI's and on and on, but just 1 (that's >right one) PowerSDR controller "radio." > >IF I can have my GUI in peace and quiet... > >Rob ;o))~ >AB7CF > > >On Tue, 18 Sep 2007 23:53:41 -0400 Robert McGwier <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >writes: > > There are multiple things to discuss here but first we have to make > > sure > > we are talking about apples and apples. > > > > Paul's enthusiasm is for the Flex 5000. Frank's problems are not > > with > > that radio. Frank is using the the Janus/Ozzy combo but again, he is > > not > > having a problem with the radio or necessarily the HPSDR toys, his > > > > issue is with the Janus/Ozzy/PowerSDR SYSTEM attached to his gear. > > He > > may have 40 years experience in testing but that does not mean we > > should > > take Frank's word that he knows one single solitary thing about > > interfacing the AKM5394A's on Janus to an ancient receiver. I am > > certain in my own mind given my interaction with Frank he has done > > it > > perfectly. But my certainty is not proof. The scientific method > > would > > be to show me your test apparatus and the ENTIRE interface so I can > > > > analyze the SYSTEM since you are measuring a system. PowerSDR > > cannot > > contribute to the IP3. I will make a flat statement of that. Any > > problem you have like that is elsewhere in the system. I will argue > > > > these latter points more in #2 with clear evidence why and the > > answer to > > his Sherwood question. > > > > 1) Frank does not like the bloat in the PowerSDR. If you can find > > anyone in the software team from Eric Wachsmann who does a > > tremendous > > amount of work down to Frank (Brickle not Garcia) who does not want > > to > > touch it with a ten foot pole any more, you are a miracle worker. > > IT IS > > bloated. That is why we are slowing down on additions and starting > > to > > sit down and map out how to do the serious job in a serious way. > > Frank > > Brickle has written a seminal paper for the TAPR/ARRL DCC on FSM. > > Remember those letters. It is truly painful to add new features to > > the > > PowerSDR. The overlap and "cochannel interference" when you make > > changes to the software make it very difficult to maintain. The > > design > > for the next generation is getting under way now that the 5000 is > > out. > > We began this over two years ago and everything came to an utter > > stand > > still while we waited on SDR-X to solidify. Then the internal > > stealth > > switch to the 5000 and putting SDR-X on a shelf, put all work on > > hold. > > PowerSDR is a clanking clacking collection of cacaphonous > > calumnies > > that is deserving of a colossal collaboration of consenting > > cognescenti > > to capture the cordial consensus that we should blow it up and start > > over. > > > > 2) I will go along with Frank on trusting Rob Sherwood. I trust > > Frank > > will trust Rob Sherwood again when he finds the Flex 5000 at or near > > the > > top of the heap. As to your question, the delay in putting it up > > there > > (making me want to pull my three remaining hairs out and then start > > > > pulling them out of chest) is all about Rob having a book in the > > works > > and the results are being used in the book and an agreement not to > > publish the results until the book is out. So based on my knowledge > > of > > the Sherwood results, any problems Frank has with RX performance has > > > > almost nothing to do with the 5000 or the PowerSDR software. Rob > > Sherwood's test show it conclusively. Since Francis has said he will > > > > accept this: Quod Erat Demonstratum. Frank's performance issues > > are in > > the system he has put together with his RX because there ARE NO > > performance issues or any of the serious AGC issues Rob has raised > > lately in a most eloquent fashion in using the PowerSDR with the > > Flex > > 5000. So PowerSDR married to a good system, makes a good system on > > the > > performance tests. > > > > 3) I like, admire, etc. Alberto to the maximum possible degree. But > > > > comparing PowerSDR to SoftRadio is not appropriate. PowerSDR was an > > > > attempt to control a fixed piece of hardware (the SDR-1000) with > > support > > for radios not manufactured by Flex (try getting THAT out of > > IcYaKeTecEl) and an attempt to be all things to all people so FLex > > could > > sell radios. Alberto had the ultimately liberating conditions of > > having > > to satisfy NO ONE BUT HIMSELF. The comparison is utterly > > ridiculous. > > PowerSDR is an amazing achievement and Eric Wachsmann is a genius. > > Saying that, he is his worst critic and his peers are not happy > > either > > with leaving this as it is. Because of this "all things to all > > people" > > and "all on the same screen" is wrong headed. The GUI should > > inherit > > the personality the user wants and be completely dynamic in so > > doing. > > WHY are we doing a revolutionary radio with a fantastic sdr core and > > > > then making it look like a traditional radio. If Eric Scace wants > > to > > contest with it, it should be the ultimate light weight, nearly > > invisible thing he needs it to be NEVER taking focus off of his > > logging > > program. If Walt Dubose wants it to be an EMCOMM, RACES, CAP, > > digital > > interface initiated by ALE, you should not see it AT ALL. It should > > be a > > system service. If John Basilotto wants to hang out with Julius, > > Alan, > > Bob Heil, etc. and crank the different audio toys about, why does > > he > > need all that other useless stuff on the screen for other modes? It > > IS > > <SOFT>ware after all. If I take a software sledge hammer to the > > console > > for my purposes, it is easily fixed. So, yes, PowerSDR has grown > > > > organically as time has passed and it is beginning to have a muffin > > top > > over its belt. But it is pretty darn capable. > > > > We are not idiots and we do know how to do things better and I > > believe > > Gerald just might have given us a good vehicle to begin the great > > journey along the righteous path towards a truly liberating software > > > > radio SYSTEM of light weight processes, running those you need, > > showing > > what you need, AND NOTHING MORE. Yet even the vision I am > > attempting to > > paint for you here is too limiting. Man, I hope we can make the > > necessary business case that this is the right way to go. We need to > > > > show that customization built upon a bunch of light weight processes > > for > > control and only as much visible stuff as is needed to do the job > > makes > > this all as incredibly versatile and as malleable as it needs to > > be. > > > > On the measurement result: Frank, email Rob Sherwood and he will > > email > > you the results. > > > > Last but not least. I love it when Flex and/or PowerSDR wax > > enthusiastic. I would rather you be happy than sad or angry. But I > > > > want to take exception to one thing here. The enthusiasm in this > > case > > resulted in a breach of netiquette. Frank Garcia's email, included > > > > again below making my own breach of netiquette, was a private > > email. I > > would bet money Mssr. Garcia did not give permission for it to be > > quoted > > to the Flex Radio reflector. I would have gladly answered Frank in > > > > private, copying you. > > > > Bob > > N4HY > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > K3PZ wrote: > > > Frank (WA1GFZ), > > > > > > Why don't post your observations/complaints on the Flex Reflector > > and debate them with somebody alot more knowlegable than me. I am > > user/tester that happens to love the new Flex 5K. I'm sure that > > Frank, Robert, Tim and some of the other experts will be glad to > > debate you on your findings. > > > > > > 73 de > > > Paul Zora > > > K3PZ > > > Port Saint Lucie, FL > > > www.k3pz.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: FRANCIS CARCIA > > > To: K3PZ > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 9:23 PM > > > Subject: Re: Flex > > > > > > > > > Paul, > > > I've been building and testing receivers for almost 40 years and > > into anything new. > > > But I have to tell you the Flex software although cool to use is > > not as great it could be. > > > I was quite surprised when my old RA6830 outperformed the Flex > > software while the I2PHD was a bit better than the Racal with a > > stock Dell sound card. I know Rob Sherwood and have verified his > > numbers within a dB on a number of receivers. I trust his numbers > > over anything the ARRL does. Flex would have impressed me if they > > were able to make the IP3 numbers with the preamp on. I don't have > > an attitude problem with Flex at all. > > > I'm just stating real test results. Frank > > > > > > K3PZ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > First of all you are not bursting MY bubble at all. I did not > > design the Flex 5K nor do I program PowerSDR. You sound like you > > have somewhat of an attitude problem about the Flex product line? > > I'm not sure why that may be but if you take the time to read the > > Flex forum you would see some of Rob Sherwood's comment that for > > some reason you don't beleive exist. Take your rant to the Flex > > Reflector. Here is the URL: > > > > > >http://mail.flex-radio.biz/pipermail/flexradio_flex-radio.biz/2007-Septem >ber/thread.html > > > > > > 73 de > > > Paul Zora > > > K3PZ > > > Port Saint Lucie, FL > > > www.k3pz.com > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: FRANCIS CARCIA > > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Tuesday, September 18, 2007 3:32 PM > > > Subject: Flex > > > > > > > > > I hate to burst your bubble but I have been running a > > homebrew converter for almost a year now. I run a stock Racal RA6830 > > in parallel to compare performance. I ran I2PHD software with a > > stock Dell sound card until I got my HPSDR modules. Most of the time > > the performance was pretty equal but I would give I2PHD software a > > very slight agvantage. When I got the HPSDR boards working I was > > forced to change over to Flex software and all the gates bloat that > > hangs off it. One night a few weeks ago I was on 160 AM and > > conditions were really bad. Then I noticed no audio coming out of > > the computer speakers while the Racal was still making usable audio. > > I could see signal on the display but no audio even after I > > incresaed the signal into the converter. > > > Yea you put two signals into the converter you do get good > > close in performance but when there is lots of crud coming in the > > game changes. > > > I think if you did a real test on this stuff you will find > > there is a way to go yet starting with the software falling all over > > its self....And BTW I don't see an update on Rob's site. > > > I'm really into SDR but a $3 or $5K radio and a $3K computer > > is not where I'm going anytime soon. I'll stick with my mil toys for > > now. 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