Markus, It's a step in the right direction to try to distinguish objective fact from subjective opinion, but there are lots of things for which that isn't easy. What, for example, is objective evidence where the subjects themselves are subjective???
One kind of objective evidence in that common case is found in patterns of related measures taken over time. When they display progressive change with implied derivatives all of the same sign it generally indicates you're looking at a complex system that has broken the restraints of homeostasis and is undergoing structural change. You can reach that conclusion objectively without knowing what it's happening to. You don't have to accept my word. I think the terms are definable and it can be verified. [partly by asking when do points make meaningful shapes and other interesting stuff] In part I'm asking if that's also a property of emergent complexity in alife environments. I know alifer's originate their models to emulate natural systems. I'm asking if you find some of the same properties that in nature strongly appear to be present for all emergent systems. > Phil Henshaw wrote: > > it does point to one of the grand properties of human > perception, and > > I think emergent complexity generally, that every observer > feels 'in > > their guts' that their own perception provides the one > correct model > > of the universe! > Another view is that the perceptions shared by others may be done to > manipulate and confuse, and to forward the agenda of a local group. > > I'm not suggesting the President should be best described as > a skeptic. > > For example, in legal matters, ignoring subjective > interpretations, in > favor of objective evidence, is vigilance. > Talk is cheap! > > Marcus > > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org > > ============================================================ FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College lectures, archives, unsubscribe, maps at http://www.friam.org
