Seconded. If a resource is available it ought to be availed of. Its upto the copyright holder to protect his work (and royalty stream).
I'm trying to put together a "Pirate Party" in India for this. Sarbajit On Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 2:51 AM, Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@redfish.com>wrote: > What about independent researchers not associated with a library > system trying to browse academic papers (funded by taxpayers) held > behind academic journal paywalls for $35/copy? > > -S > --- -. . ..-. .. ... .... - .-- --- ..-. .. ... .... > stephen.gue...@redfish.com > 1600 Lena St #D1, Santa Fe, NM 87505 > office: (505) 995-0206 tollfree: (888) 414-3855 > mobile: (505) 577-5828 fax: (505) 819-5952 > tw: @redfishgroup skype: redfishgroup gvoice: (505) 216-6226 > redfish.com | simtable.com > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 3:14 PM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > > Owen, > > > > As you know, I've never had any real objection to your position and I > agree > > as to the lack of a reasonable modern distribution system. I do get upset > > when the conversation approaches the "I think the price is too high so > I'm > > justified in making an illegal copy." > > > > Ed > > __________ > > > > Ed Angel > > > > Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory (ARTS > > Lab) > > Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > > > > 1017 Sierra Pinon > > Santa Fe, NM 87501 > > 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > > 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > > > > > > On Apr 18, 2013, at 2:30 PM, Owen Densmore wrote: > > > > I too have had to build an ethics, so to speak. > > > > Books: For quite a while, I simply downloaded books to see if I wanted to > > buy them. I deleted the download and purchased the book if I liked the > > download. Also download books if I have the paper version. > > > > EBooks: Similar. Then came the problem of formats. For example, Amazon > only > > provides kindle format (.mobi/.azw) while tech books provide three > formats > > (.pdf, .mobi, .epub). I found myself downloading pdf versions of .azw's > > because the silly books referred to "pages". Hopefully Az will finally > come > > around, but until they do, and the book is not available in multiple > > formats, I'll download a pdf if need be. Almost all tech books are > ebooks > > and on my iPad. > > > > Video: I downloaded old TV shows which were not available otherwise. > Also, > > our net was DSL, so too slow for streaming, even youtube! With a new > faster > > network, cable, we're looking at Amazon primarily, and have Az Prime so > many > > videos are available free. We also have NetFlix streaming but don't > seem to > > use it. We stopped NetFlix DVDs when they hit a 30% failure rate. Not > sure > > about Hulu, don't use it now. We record, TiVo, a LOT of sports and > cooking > > shows and re-runs on SciFi channel. > > > > Papers/Magazines: Thus far I have not payed for NYTimes. They let me > read N > > a month, and I believe allow click-throughs to not count against the N. > But > > I admit to defeating their count by going incognito in Chrome at times, > > maybe once a month. I've also found that much of their stuff finds > itself > > elsewhere. > > > > I believe a "digital library" solution would be helpful for paying for a > lot > > of media. I'd gladly pay $D dollars for N subscriptions .. a "book > shelf" > > like OReilly's Safari .. but much broader. > > > > So I'm sorta in the middle, but mainly due to the media industries not > > "catching up". Between Az Prime and buying ebooks, I'm easily at > $250/year > > .. yipes! My guess is that the big TV companies will try one way or > another > > to make older shows available, but I don't think they've done it yet. > Az > > doesn't offer pdf's yet but I'm sure they'll both improve their page > > references etc, and go multiformat sometime. > > > > -- Owen > > > > > > On Thu, Apr 18, 2013 at 1:42 PM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote: > >> > >> From an author's perspective: > >> > >> 1. By downloading a pirated copy, you lower the number of books a > library > >> will purchase which does cost the author. > >> 2. Having a permanent copy has some value over a library book for many > >> people. > >> > >> Ed > >> __________ > >> > >> Ed Angel > >> > >> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory > (ARTS > >> Lab) > >> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico > >> > >> 1017 Sierra Pinon > >> Santa Fe, NM 87501 > >> 505-984-0136 (home) an...@cs.unm.edu > >> 505-453-4944 (cell) http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel > >> > >> > >> On Apr 18, 2013, at 1:19 PM, Arlo Barnes wrote: > >> > >> But it sounds like it is out of your price range, at least for now. The > >> author (nor the publisher) gets no money from you checking the book out > of > >> the library, so what are they losing from you pirating the book? Not > that I > >> am suggesting that is what you should do - it is an individual decision, > >> after all - but I always find it interesting what people consider their > >> 'boundary' and why. > >> -Arlo James Barnes > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > >> > >> > >> > >> ============================================================ > >> FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > >> Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > >> to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > > > > > > > ============================================================ > > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > > ============================================================ > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Meets Fridays 9a-11:30 at cafe at St. John's College > to unsubscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com >
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