I don't want my email to sound to doom and gloom. I'm experiencing first
hand many of the problems Ed mentioned in his response.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:50 AM, Gillian Densmore <gil.densm...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> I think I agree with Ed.
> I've had epic rants about what boils down to a few things as a biger
> picture problems:
> Peoples Maslows being messed with
> Stuff getting to gloopy
> Stuff being made overly complicated
> To little simple joy
> Aholery.
>
> In other words: where's star fleet, picard and kirk when you need them
>
> I get pissed off at those problem because strike uncofortably close to
> home for me. I have a nice appartment fam lets use and may let me rent
> eventually. Part of my end of the bargain is when I get work to cover bills
> and as dad puts it manage the problems.
>
> Their is a instagram meme making the rounds saying:
> What's wrong with this picture:Americans don't do on the job training for
> people to put stuff on shelves or pay them well., then want them to have a
> physics PHD, 10 years of experience to get started.  But don't mind a
> unstable xenophobic, racist,  man with no political experience as president.
>
>
> I am experiencing some of the problems Ed has nailed. Fortunatly for me
> (some) of my skills are transferable. I genuinly like some parts of tech
> support, I think it's fun.
> Santa Fe has only 5 temp agencies (for example), those (can) make getting
> back into work much simpler because their is no risk for anyone. Kelly
> Services  just couldn't keep up work and moved to Albquerky(sp), and even
> then acording to them they're bairly getting acounts.
> Indeed.com and craig's list NM are crap shots
>
> I've had people from indeed say they simply don't have the time or money
> anymore to do on the job traning or they'd hire me that day.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2016 at 10:27 AM, Edward Angel <an...@cs.unm.edu> wrote:
>
>> At the risk of pissing off a lot of my friends, Owen's proposal strikes
>> me as tokenism at its worst. If we elites want to do more than talking to
>> and emailing each other, I’d suggest that we instead spend some of our time
>> doing something to help the sad state of education and the economy in NM. I
>> don’t know how many of you realize that 75% of the children in the SF
>> schools qualify for food aid and the district scores at the bottom of the
>> state’s districts every year. The Alliance for Science has tutoring
>> programs and some of you are judges at the Science Fairs (where there is
>> still the need for more judges). We need sponsors for the Supercomputing
>> Challenge. I could go on and on with other opportunities but I think point
>> is clear.
>>
>> I noted that Clinton won SF County by about a 3 to 1 margin. So if people
>> want to have lunch with other kinds of folks, how about driving down south?
>> An then there’s Texas.
>>
>> Ed
>> _______________________
>>
>> Ed Angel
>>
>> Founding Director, Art, Research, Technology and Science Laboratory
>> (ARTS Lab)
>> Professor Emeritus of Computer Science, University of New Mexico
>>
>> 1017 Sierra Pinon
>> Santa Fe, NM 87501
>> 505-984-0136 (home)   an...@cs.unm.edu
>> 505-453-4944 (cell)  http://www.cs.unm.edu/~angel
>>
>> On Nov 14, 2016, at 9:33 AM, Owen Densmore <o...@backspaces.net> wrote:
>>
>> Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches
>>
>>
>> Pretty dramatic example of The Problem Of Class.
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 13, 2016 at 1:41 PM, Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> "Support Classless Society: Invite blue collar folks to wedtech lunch
>>> and friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working."
>>>
>>>
>>> "Hmm... well we could move one to the weekend?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Google for some Pentecostal or other Evangelical churches in the area
>>> (esp. in the outskirts or poorer part of town), and go to them on the
>>> weekend.  In the spirit of contrition and all that.
>>>
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>> ------------------------------
>>> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> on behalf of Owen Densmore <
>>> o...@backspaces.net>
>>> *Sent:* Sunday, November 13, 2016 12:54:51 PM
>>> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group
>>> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Trump Is Just A Normal Polling Error Behind
>>> Clinton | FiveThirtyEight
>>>
>>> Support Classless Society: Invite blue collar folks to wedtech lunch and
>>> friam coffee/breakfast. Oops, forgot, they're working.
>>>
>>> Hmm... well we could move one to the weekend?
>>>
>>> Now that *would* be radical.
>>>
>>>    -- Owen
>>>
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