I asked ChatGPT if it dreamed and it said that it didn't. However, is adversarial training of neural networks much different than dreaming?
A new class from MITX showed up in my email today. It is called *Minds and Machines: An introduction to philosophy of mind, exploring consciousness, reality, AI, and more. The most in-depth philosophy course available online. *https://mitxonline.mit.edu/courses/course-v1:MITxT+24.09x/ It may help with this question. _ Cody Smith _ c...@simtable.com On Thu, Sep 7, 2023 at 12:25 PM Steve Smith <sasm...@swcp.com> wrote: > Great observations as usual Glen... I have lapsed into *listening* to > almost all long-form writing, whether fiction or non.... and it > definitely distorts (torts?) my perception/conception of the > material/subject/message. A corollary to McLuhan's Medium/Message > duality? > > I find the "output" side to be more specific (or conscious) for me > than the "input" side. Your point of cuneoform > sticks/quills/pencils/keyboard/gestural-interpreters being part of our > extended phenotype is very apt as is the idea that (if I understand your > intentions) it (intrinsically) effects our interoception and > inter-subjective realities. > > I also appreciate your reflections on "mal" and "dis" which I have lived > with all of my life... "judging" or "discriminating" in ways which > themselves are "adaptive" for one suite of purposes but perhaps > "mal"/"dis" for another suite. Having a vector or tensor fitness > function with (arbitrary) signs on the elements doesn't guarantee they > themselves are "fit" for what you think they are. > > Do Androids dream of Electric Sheep? Do LLM's (or larger adaptive > systems they are embedded in?) dream of the tensor fields they are > embedded in or create or co-create with the fields of human > activity/history/knowledge/experience/future/manifesting-destiny they > were designed to model/emulate/expose/facilitate/co-evolve with? > > I dunno, but it sure is a fascinating milieu to be surfing through in > these auspicious days at the beginning (or end) of the Anthropocene. > > - Steve > > On 9/7/23 1:01 PM, glen wrote: > > Both keyboards and pencils are part of our extended phenotype and play > > (multiple) roles in interoception, including the induction of > > inter-subjectivity. I've forgotten who it is, but there's someone on > > this list who *listens* to our posts, rather than reads them. I tried > > that with a blog post this morning during my mobility routine: > > > > https://www.emilkirkegaard.com/p/preferences-can-be-sick-mental-illness > > > > <tangent> > > Then because I had an allergic reaction to what I heard, I *read* it > > later. Listening to it disgusted me. I came away thinking this > > Kirkegaard dude's akin to a scientific racist ... or maybe a > > eugenecist. I admit to being a fan of Thomas Szasz back in the day. (A > > friend's mom actually dated him at some point ... allegedly.) But at > > this point, I've been infected by the Woke Mind Virus; and it's > > difficult to stomach phrases like "strict homosexuality is more > > disordered than bisexuality." Reading it, however, helped me remember > > that maladaption is part and parcel of adaption. Disorder is part and > > parcel of order. The "mal" and "dis" prefixes are nothing but > > value-laden subjectivity. The goo of reality extruded through the mold > > of the author/thinker/subject. For someone like Kirkegaard to claim > > they're being "objective" while using the "mal" prefix is not even > > wrong. It's just bullshit. Apparently, my Woke Virus infection is > > worse near my ears than near my eyes. > > </tangent> > > > > But the point is that *which* extended trait you use (pencil, audio, > > text, etc.) chooses which interoceptive cycle you engage. And when you > > pretend to make such a choice on purpose, at will, any assignation of > > fault would be transitive. Which wolf do you feed? > > > > On 9/4/23 10:29, Steve Smith wrote: > >> I'm not sure my facility with the keyboard actually serves me. As > >> many of you may suspect, and I suspect so myself, it allows me to be > >> much less thoughtful and rigorous than I would be in handwriting or > >> if I had some other throttle or impedance elements between linguistic > >> centers and "paper"? > > > > -. --- - / ...- .- .-.. .. -.. / -- --- .-. ... . / -.-. --- -.. . > FRIAM Applied Complexity Group listserv > Fridays 9a-12p Friday St. Johns Cafe / Thursdays 9a-12p Zoom > https://bit.ly/virtualfriam > to (un)subscribe http://redfish.com/mailman/listinfo/friam_redfish.com > FRIAM-COMIC http://friam-comic.blogspot.com/ > archives: 5/2017 thru present > https://redfish.com/pipermail/friam_redfish.com/ > 1/2003 thru 6/2021 http://friam.383.s1.nabble.com/ >
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