Yes, there was a certain golden period of gp's building on Koza and others work like Forrest Bennett's Beowulf 1000-pentium cluster back in the late 90s. https://www.genetic-programming.com/machine1000.html
I agree with you, Marcus, that it would be good to see versions of this springing forth on modern architectures. ____________________________________________ CEO Founder, Simtable.com stephen.gue...@simtable.com Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab stephengue...@fas.harvard.edu mobile: (505)577-5828 On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 4:18 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > I don’t understand why Genetic Programming hasn’t been a bigger thing. It > seems like another case, like ML, where having adequate hardware is key to > really making it work. I hope interest in AI will dust-off or reinvent > many such approaches. I don’t care who gets the credit. > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow > *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2023 3:05 PM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Working for the Military Institute of Technology > Causes Cognitive Dissonance > > > > I see I missed this on HackerNews yesterday, the comments cover a range of > positions. > > > > https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38642651 > > > > -- rec -- > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 12:48 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: > > On the subject of cognitive dissonance, and working for large research > institutions > > > > https://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/ai-priority-disputes.html > > > > in which Jürgen Schmidhuber complains that LeCun, Bengio, and Hinton claim > to have invented modern AI when they were actually mostly reinventing, > improving, and reimplementing 30 year old work from Schmidhuber's lab on > faster hardware, without crediting any of the prior work. > > > > -- rec -- > > > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 12:17 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> > wrote: > > While I think LLMs will be hard to use for analysis tasks, there is > something satisfying to see certain people squirm as LLMs, as Altman says, > “Blow right through the Turing test.” > > > > *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Frye > *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:47 AM > *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < > friam@redfish.com> > *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Working for the Military Institute of Technology > Causes Cognitive Dissonance > > > > Eric, > > > > I agree with your critique, especially about Dresser's two-facedness. What > struck me most was how Chomsky’s cognitive dissonance about military > application could drive him to abstraction and unworkable theory. > > > > Chomsky has been one of my heroes. I have marched with him, but never > agreed with his linguistics. But then never fully agreed with any linguist. > > > > I worked with people back in the 60s at Bolt Beranek and Newman and with > professors at MIT who believed they could communicate with computers in > English but was unaware of the military intention. I created English style > GUIs and wrote COBOL compilers, but none very successful. Who knew that AI > chat would be so successful this year. > > > > -Roger > > > > On Dec 13, 2023, at 3:34 AM, David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> wrote: > > > > Wanted to say thank you for this. > > > > I don’t know that I find Dresser’s psychologizing of Chomsky persuasive at > all. But it’s nice that what leaks through the general history is > Chomsky’s commitment as an operator. > > > > I liked that they had the little video clip in there. What comes through > (to me, so bright that it quenches out everything else) is the one constant > of Chomsky, across his history and in all the modes of his activity: the > superciliousness, and the attitude of Olympian contempt he puts on, at all > times, standing in judgment of everyone and everything. > > > > The way Dresser doesn’t roll over to Chomsky’s assertion of absolute > domination, in the main text, was kind of a relief, though his blithe > dismissal of Chomsky’s having had any substantive reason for being an > influencer looked like trouble. The comments — surprisingly content-rich — > unpack that trouble, but even there the exchange is interesting. The > defenders say Dresser misses the point of the syntactic work and > mis-represents by taking things out of context (I think probably true), and > then Dresser answers by providing explicit statements that are hard to > understand as being any less ridiculous than he claims, since they are > asserted with characteristic Chomskian authoritarianism. What I take this > for is evidence of what I see as the major pattern: Chomsky’s writing is as > close to Newspeak as we probably have in something that is glossed by some > as a science (and that, in a good world, could be, and is trying to become, > more of a science). His writing, over the decades and lots of books (here > referring to the linguistics) has essentially no stable constructive > assertions, yet at every point the delivery is “This is what I say and this > is what I have always said.” > > > > (Not that Dresser comes out of this looking like any much-better > character. Claiming he isn’t out to write a hit-piece on Chomsky’s > intellectual contributions, while transparently wanting mainly to do that, > and then at the end saying how grateful he is for Chomsky’s activism, rings > pretty disingenuous. I am also struck because to me the style of The Man > is recognizably the same in both. But enough on Dresser. He will be > forgotten by tomorrow, so one can just comment on the content of the > writing.) > > > > I don’t know where Chomsky ranks in the guruness indices. But he is a > case study in the patterns of meme-authoritarianism. A vast discourse of > negative statements, which (seen in many people I have to deal with) seem > to have only the goal of denying something specific somebody else is trying > to say or to do, accompanied by shifting, or shifty, assertive-sounding > statements, but ones that turn out to be slippery enough that you are never > permitted to attach a meaning to them and decide for yourself whether they > are valid or not. Any judgment you pass against the constructive-sounding > statements can always be parried by an accusation that you are too low a > life-form to have understood the wisdom they encode. Johnny Yune did this > nicely in the ancient camp-movie They Call me Bruce (maybe the sequel), in > the line “You are not ready for the tech-a-niques of the master.) > > > > Not sure why I feel compelled to compose typologies of the styles of > shiftiness in the world. 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