Interesting idea. I wonder what you could produce running massive computing power for many weeks on GP and RL. The thing about LLMs is that they are general-purpose products. What sort of general-purpose product might one try to create using GP and/or RL and massive computing power over an extended period?
-- Russ Abbott Professor Emeritus, Computer Science California State University, Los Angeles On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 5:40 PM Stephen Guerin <stephen.gue...@simtable.com> wrote: > Yes, there was a certain golden period of gp's building on Koza and others > work like Forrest Bennett's Beowulf 1000-pentium cluster back in the late > 90s. > https://www.genetic-programming.com/machine1000.html > > I agree with you, Marcus, that it would be good to see versions of this > springing forth on modern architectures. > > ____________________________________________ > CEO Founder, Simtable.com > stephen.gue...@simtable.com > > Harvard Visualization Research and Teaching Lab > stephengue...@fas.harvard.edu > > mobile: (505)577-5828 > > On Fri, Dec 15, 2023, 4:18 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> wrote: > >> I don’t understand why Genetic Programming hasn’t been a bigger thing. >> It seems like another case, like ML, where having adequate hardware is key >> to really making it work. I hope interest in AI will dust-off or reinvent >> many such approaches. I don’t care who gets the credit. >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Critchlow >> *Sent:* Friday, December 15, 2023 3:05 PM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Working for the Military Institute of Technology >> Causes Cognitive Dissonance >> >> >> >> I see I missed this on HackerNews yesterday, the comments cover a range >> of positions. >> >> >> >> https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=38642651 >> >> >> >> -- rec -- >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 12:48 PM Roger Critchlow <r...@elf.org> wrote: >> >> On the subject of cognitive dissonance, and working for large research >> institutions >> >> >> >> https://people.idsia.ch/~juergen/ai-priority-disputes.html >> >> >> >> in which Jürgen Schmidhuber complains that LeCun, Bengio, and Hinton >> claim to have invented modern AI when they were actually mostly >> reinventing, improving, and reimplementing 30 year old work from >> Schmidhuber's lab on faster hardware, without crediting any of the prior >> work. >> >> >> >> -- rec -- >> >> >> >> On Fri, Dec 15, 2023 at 12:17 PM Marcus Daniels <mar...@snoutfarm.com> >> wrote: >> >> While I think LLMs will be hard to use for analysis tasks, there is >> something satisfying to see certain people squirm as LLMs, as Altman says, >> “Blow right through the Turing test.” >> >> >> >> *From:* Friam <friam-boun...@redfish.com> *On Behalf Of *Roger Frye >> *Sent:* Wednesday, December 13, 2023 6:47 AM >> *To:* The Friday Morning Applied Complexity Coffee Group < >> friam@redfish.com> >> *Subject:* Re: [FRIAM] Working for the Military Institute of Technology >> Causes Cognitive Dissonance >> >> >> >> Eric, >> >> >> >> I agree with your critique, especially about Dresser's two-facedness. >> What struck me most was how Chomsky’s cognitive dissonance about military >> application could drive him to abstraction and unworkable theory. >> >> >> >> Chomsky has been one of my heroes. I have marched with him, but never >> agreed with his linguistics. But then never fully agreed with any linguist. >> >> >> >> I worked with people back in the 60s at Bolt Beranek and Newman and with >> professors at MIT who believed they could communicate with computers in >> English but was unaware of the military intention. I created English style >> GUIs and wrote COBOL compilers, but none very successful. Who knew that AI >> chat would be so successful this year. >> >> >> >> -Roger >> >> >> >> On Dec 13, 2023, at 3:34 AM, David Eric Smith <desm...@santafe.edu> >> wrote: >> >> >> >> Wanted to say thank you for this. >> >> >> >> I don’t know that I find Dresser’s psychologizing of Chomsky persuasive >> at all. But it’s nice that what leaks through the general history is >> Chomsky’s commitment as an operator. >> >> >> >> I liked that they had the little video clip in there. What comes through >> (to me, so bright that it quenches out everything else) is the one constant >> of Chomsky, across his history and in all the modes of his activity: the >> superciliousness, and the attitude of Olympian contempt he puts on, at all >> times, standing in judgment of everyone and everything. >> >> >> >> The way Dresser doesn’t roll over to Chomsky’s assertion of absolute >> domination, in the main text, was kind of a relief, though his blithe >> dismissal of Chomsky’s having had any substantive reason for being an >> influencer looked like trouble. The comments — surprisingly content-rich — >> unpack that trouble, but even there the exchange is interesting. The >> defenders say Dresser misses the point of the syntactic work and >> mis-represents by taking things out of context (I think probably true), and >> then Dresser answers by providing explicit statements that are hard to >> understand as being any less ridiculous than he claims, since they are >> asserted with characteristic Chomskian authoritarianism. What I take this >> for is evidence of what I see as the major pattern: Chomsky’s writing is as >> close to Newspeak as we probably have in something that is glossed by some >> as a science (and that, in a good world, could be, and is trying to become, >> more of a science). His writing, over the decades and lots of books (here >> referring to the linguistics) has essentially no stable constructive >> assertions, yet at every point the delivery is “This is what I say and this >> is what I have always said.” >> >> >> >> (Not that Dresser comes out of this looking like any much-better >> character. Claiming he isn’t out to write a hit-piece on Chomsky’s >> intellectual contributions, while transparently wanting mainly to do that, >> and then at the end saying how grateful he is for Chomsky’s activism, rings >> pretty disingenuous. I am also struck because to me the style of The Man >> is recognizably the same in both. But enough on Dresser. He will be >> forgotten by tomorrow, so one can just comment on the content of the >> writing.) >> >> >> >> I don’t know where Chomsky ranks in the guruness indices. But he is a >> case study in the patterns of meme-authoritarianism. A vast discourse of >> negative statements, which (seen in many people I have to deal with) seem >> to have only the goal of denying something specific somebody else is trying >> to say or to do, accompanied by shifting, or shifty, assertive-sounding >> statements, but ones that turn out to be slippery enough that you are never >> permitted to attach a meaning to them and decide for yourself whether they >> are valid or not. Any judgment you pass against the constructive-sounding >> statements can always be parried by an accusation that you are too low a >> life-form to have understood the wisdom they encode. Johnny Yune did this >> nicely in the ancient camp-movie They Call me Bruce (maybe the sequel), in >> the line “You are not ready for the tech-a-niques of the master.) >> >> >> >> Not sure why I feel compelled to compose typologies of the styles of >> shiftiness in the world. 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