Linux-Advocacy Digest #285, Volume #33            Mon, 2 Apr 01 15:13:06 EDT

Contents:
  Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :) (Chronos Tachyon)
  Re: Communism ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: MS patent lawyer on open source (Rex Ballard)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Democratic Republics (Was: Communism, etc.) (Ron Bargoot)
  Re: Communism confession ("Aaron R. Kulkis")
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Aaron R. 
Kulkis")
  Re: Communism (T. Max Devlin)
  Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day. ("Dana")

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From: Chronos Tachyon <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: NT multitasking: some humiliating defeats! :)
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,comp.os.ms-windows.advocacy,comp.os.ms-windows.nt.advocacy
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 17:55:27 GMT

[Note:  Sorry for uncanceled duplicates.  Again.  *smack*]

On Mon 02 Apr 2001 12:06, Ayende Rahien wrote:

  [Snip]
>>
>> I hate to break it to you, but PKZip 2.50 is actually a Win32 console
>> application in disguise.  The last version of PKZip for 16-bit DOS was
>> 2.04g, released circa 1992.
> 
> Not a problem, can you give me a copy of the 16 bit DOS?
> 
> (I recall someone re-writing RAWRITE or similar utility because it
> sometimes failed on NT, and commenting that he was surprised that it
> worked, because the calls were an emulation of emulation.)
> 
> 
> 

I used to have a copy in %windir%\COMMAND, but that was before I nuked my 
'doze partition for good and went 100% Linux.  However, Google found a copy 
with no problem: <http://www.go.dlr.de/fresh/pc/src/misc/pkz204g.exe>.

Ack, nevermind.  I checked the PKWare website, and it seems that they 
recently created a pure DOS 2.50 version (that uses the Win32 enhanced DOS 
calls to get long filename information).

-- 
Chronos Tachyon
Guardian of Eristic Paraphernalia
Gatekeeper of the Region of Thud
[Reply instructions:  My real domain is "echo <address> | cut -d. -f6,7"]


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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: us.military.army,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,misc.survivalism
Subject: Re: Communism
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:01:15 -0400

David Casey wrote:
> 
> "Mathew" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 
> > > You are aware that the U.S. did offer immigrant status to a goodly
> > > number of German scientists AFTER the war.. scientists who would other
> > > wise have been tried, convicted and executed for war crimes? Werner
> > > Von Braun comes to mind.
> 
> > And we did this for humanitarian reasons?
> 
> Heck yeah!  Think of the millions of European's who didn't die in World War
> III because of the technology we got out of them.

The first clue-full thought you've had in months, Dave.

Matthew the pinhead doesn't comprehend that the PRIMARY purpose of the
military is to PREVENT wars.



> 
> > Considering that the Soviet Red Army had prices on their heads, that
> > was definitely the rational thing to do.
> 
> >  Would the Russins have used these scientists for their valuable
> >  scientific knoweldge?
> 
> Maybe.  If they weren't shot by the local commander who captured them first.
> 
> Dave


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: Rex Ballard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: MS patent lawyer on open source
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:06:28 GMT

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tom hanlon wrote:
> 
> I had the opportunity to hear T. Andrew Culbert yesterday in a public
> IP continuing legal education forum in Seattle.
> 
> He is " a Senior Corporate Attorney for Microsoft Corporation and the
> attorney principally responsible for handling ms's patent infringement
> litigation."

This is one unhappy fellow.  Numerous attempts at patent enforcement
have recently been met with a spate of "prior disclosures" in the form
of GPL software.  This no only nullifies the patent, but it puts
all prior royalties collected under that patent at risk in the form
of a class action lawsuit.

In addition, with Google and others providing USENET archives dating
back
to the mid 1980s, numerous patents are now being challenged based on
public disclosures in these forums.

Software patents have always been suspect, and the notion of creating
a 20 year "lock" on what amounts to a concept or idea (rather than the
specific expression of an idea or concept) has always been the
slippery
part of software patents.

Very few concepts are truly unique.  Most have been published and
documented
for years before the patent is even applied for.  The ideas have been
polished
and refined by hundreds of participants and any one of them could have
a legitimate claim and/or the ability to nullify the patent.

> This is what he said on open source software.
> 
> Its problem is that the software is not warranteed in any way. It is
> distributed without a warrantee.

This is 1/2 true.  Since the software itself can be freely
distributed,
the only way to add value is to provide some form of support.  There
are
a number of companies such as IBM, LinuxCare, SuSE, and Red Hat who
provide
Service Level Agreements for Open Source software.  They in turn
combine
source code familiarity with support from the product manager (Linus
would
be the product manager for Linux) to improve the delivery.

Conversely, not only does Microsoft limit their liability to the
purchase price of the software, but they have extensive qualifications
on their service level agreements.  In most cases, even their 99.999%
uptime
guarantee has numerous configuration prerequisites, staffing
requirements,
and recovery expectations.  To get 99.999% up-time, you have to have
dual
machines in cluster formation on RAID 1 or RAID 5 hard drive arrays,
and
even if each machine fails 20 times/day, the only downtime that counts
is
when all machines are down at the same time.

If you do have a situation where both machines fail at the same time,
the OEM (not Microsoft) promises to help you identify the causes
and/or
possible work-arounds.  There is no guarantee that the errant code
will be fixed, no guarantee that any changes will be made, and not
even
a guarantee that you can get a refund.  Furthermore, it is the OEM
that
assumes the risk, not Microsoft, since the OEM obligates itself to the
license and license fees related to the server.

Ironically, you are likely to have better support and lower risk with
Linux or UNIX than you would with Windows NT or Windows 2000.

> He really had nothing more to say on the subject.

He made a statement and wanted to avoid direct confrontation in the
matter.
It's probably a good idea to change the subject... very quickly.

Microsoft was very effective at handling 1 million calls a day,
logging
those calls and the procedural remedies and codifying it into Windows
3.0.

> I guess this may or may not be enough to stir up any kind of
> discussion.

-- 
Rex Ballard
It Architect
http://www.open4success.com
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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:09:55 -0400

Mathew wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> > >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> >
> >    Aaron> Mathew wrote:
> >    >>
> >    >> For a person who constantly calls people"little dictators"
> >    >> and "fascists" , Aaron certainky takes the cake for personifying
> >    >> his own words.
> >    >>
> >    >> A product of fascist military indoctrination ,no doubt.
> >
> >    Aaron> So, protecting your constitutional rights is fascist now.
> >
> > You have repeatedly threatened to kill people for their political
> > beliefs.  That is not protecting their Constitutional Rights.
> >
> > You are a totalitarian wannabe.
> 
> The Army brainwashed him.

...yes, but to do what..exactly.

Specifically, to protect the Constitution from shit-heads like you.


> He thinks he is saving the world and being Superman,and doesn't realize
> he sounds like a millions of other right wing rednecks who can only see
> in black and white.

As opposed to marxist bastards like you who only see red.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: Ron Bargoot <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Democratic Republics (Was: Communism, etc.)
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:12:17 GMT

"Scott D. Erb" wrote:
> 
> Here is a reading list of basics that I especially recommend to Dana and Aaron,
> who seem confused about how to look at the rule of government, and don't seem to
> realize that a Liberal Democracy can be a Republic at the same time.
> 

The fundamental difference between a republic and a democracy, that most
liberals seem to not understand, is this: 

In a democracy, you only have whatever rights the majority gives you. 
The will of the majority takes precedence over the rights of the individual.

In a republic, your rights are protected.  In a republic, the rights of
the individual take precedence over the will of the majority. 

This is why we have a Bill of Rights, something you will not find in any
socialist democracy's constitution. The only rights they have are the
rights the majority decides to bestow up on the subjects of that
country.  

We are not subjects, we are citizens.

Ron Bargoot
Libertarian
http://ronbargoot.com

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From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism confession
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:17:09 -0400

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> 
> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
> 
>    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>    >>
>    >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>    >>
>    Aaron> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>    >> >>
>    >> >> >>>>> Aaron R Kulkis writes:
>    >> >>
>    Aaron> cHip wrote:
>    >> >> >>
>    >> >> >> Being a guy who has researched this a lot I'd like to comment on a few
>    >> >> >> things.
>    >> >> >>
>    >> >> >> First of all, anyone who mentions Russian Communism, Chinese Communism,
>    >> >> >> North Korean Communism, etc. as communism---sorry but you're wrong.
>    >> >> >> Those are NOT communism, they are totalitarian governments. Basically
>    >> >> >> they're dictaror governments (layman term, really authoritarian). Anyone
>    >> >> >> who critisizes communism for anything there just doesn't get it.
>    >> >> >>
>    >> >>
>    Aaron> Ah yes, the usual "that isn't *real* communism" lie.
>    >> >>
>    Aaron> So...tell us, Mr Wise guy...why are there not *ANY* "real communist"
>    Aaron> countries in existance....and why is every country which calls itself
>    Aaron> Communist also a police state?
>    >> >>
>    Aaron> Accuracy counts, so be precise.
>    >> >>
>    >> >> Communism is a utopian idea which is completely incompatible with
>    >> >> human nature.  Hence any attempt to implement it will end in either
>    >> >> capitulation or tyranny.  Generally the latter, as anyone driven to
>    >> >> take power is not likely to give it up.
>    >>
>    Aaron> Very good, but that's very general and vague.
>    >>
>    Aaron> I said be precise.
>    >>
>    Aaron> You know...name some Communist-style government policies that
>    Aaron> you disagree with.
>    >>
>    >> Can't think of any in the real world.
> 
>    Aaron> then you're a Communist.
> 
> Because I do not agree with any of their policies?

You just said that you can't think of any that you do disagree with.


> 
> Please explain your "logic"?
> 
>    Aaron> Thank you for admitting that you are an enemy of the US Constitution.
> 
> No, that would be you, for your communist like calls for the deaths
> of those that disagree with you.
                ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

You misspelled "have contempt for the Constitution"


> 
>    Aaron> This fact will be recorded for posterity.
> 
> What you imagine to be facts and reality seldom concur.
> 
>    Aaron> Heheheheheheh
> 
> --
> Andrew Hall
> (Now reading Usenet in alt.fan.rush-limbaugh...)


-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

------------------------------

From: "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 14:18:48 -0400

Mathew wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 2 Apr 2001, Eric Pinnell wrote:
> 
> > On Sun, 01 Apr 2001 00:46:31 -0500, "Aaron R. Kulkis"
> > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >Well, fortunately, because leftist assholes like you refuse to serve in
> > >the military...guess what....All the people who actually HAVE THE GUNS...
> > >..you know..the MILITARY GRADE GUNS....the ones with the KEYS TO
> > >THE ARMS ROOMS IN THE ARMORIES...and the KEYS TO THE AMMUNITION
> > >STORAGE POINTS....guess what...***ALL*** of those people are the very
> > >same people who's political views you despise.
> >
> >    Which is why it's going to mean an end of liberal ideology in the
> > US once the shooting starts.  I can't imagine any revolution going on
> > that will merely address the left's attempts to destroy the 2nd
> > amendment without dealing with their other Marxist nonsense.
> >
> > >The police, the army, the FBI, the CIA...leftist assholes like you
> > >all shirk your responsibilities as a citizen, to do your part to
> > >serve in these organizations...don't you.
> > >
> > >Therefore...here's a fucking thought that should help you sleep
> > >soundly...
> > >
> > >Those people who's political views you abhor:
> > >
> > >THEY're the ones who patrol your streets
> > >THEY're the ones who have the civil disturbance training.
> > >THEY're the ones who run the military
> > >THEY're the ones who fly the air force's combat aircraft
> > >THEY're the ones who crew the tanks
> > >THEY're the ones who man the cannons
> > >THEY're the ones who carry the rifles, machine guns, grenade
> > >     launchers, and all of the other parafarnelia of
> > >     the infantryman
> > >
> > >so DON'T FUCK WITH THEM, because THEY ARE THE ONES WHO STAND
> > >GUARD WHILE YOU SLEEP!
> >
> >    They think nothing's going to happen if their gun grab is enacted.
> > They really don't understand what they are messing with.
> 
> They don't want your guns... they want your brains for lab experiments

Yes, most leftists DO love to to conduct involountary psychological
experiments on unwitting subjects.

See: "Death education" in our K-12 schools => school shootings.

-- 
Aaron R. Kulkis
Unix Systems Engineer
DNRC Minister of all I survey
ICQ # 3056642

K: Truth in advertising:
        Left Wing Extremists Charles Schumer and Donna Shelala,
        Black Seperatist Anti-Semite Louis Farrakan,
        Special Interest Sierra Club,
        Anarchist Members of the ACLU
        Left Wing Corporate Extremist Ted Turner
        The Drunken Woman Killer Ted Kennedy
        Grass Roots Pro-Gun movement,


J: Other knee_jerk reactionaries: billh, david casey, redc1c4,
   The retarded sisters: Raunchy (rauni) and Anencephielle (Enielle),
   also known as old hags who've hit the wall....

I: Loren Petrich's 2-week stubborn refusal to respond to the
   challenge to describe even one philosophical difference
   between himself and the communists demonstrates that, in fact,
   Loren Petrich is a COMMUNIST ***hole

H: "Having found not one single carbon monoxide leak on the entire
    premises, it is my belief, and Willard concurs, that the reason
    you folks feel listless and disoriented is simply because
    you are lazy, stupid people"

G:  Knackos...you're a retard.


F: Unit_4's "Kook hunt" reminds me of "Jimmy Baker's" harangues against
   adultery while concurrently committing adultery with Tammy Hahn.

E: Jet is not worthy of the time to compose a response until
   her behavior improves.

D: Jet Silverman now follows me from newgroup to newsgroup
   ...despite (C) above.
 
C: Jet Silverman claims to have killfiled me.

B: Jet Silverman plays the fool and spews out nonsense as a
   method of sidetracking discussions which are headed in a
   direction that she doesn't like.

A:  The wise man is mocked by fools.

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From: T. Max Devlin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
alt.destroy.microsoft,misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles
Subject: Re: Communism
Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 02 Apr 2001 18:19:58 GMT

Said The Spelling Troll in alt.destroy.microsoft on Mon, 02 Apr 2001
09:01:19 -0400; 
>Hello there, I am The Spelling Troll.
>Are you as sick as I am of bad spelling in these newsgroups?  Good, I
>thought so!
>As a free service, I will select random posts on this group, and will
>correct the spelling.  As a bonus, I will correct poor grammar from
>time to time as well.
>I will only accept correct English spelling, no American
>bastardisations of our beautiful language will be permitted.
>
>Let's take a look at a recent post from Ms Aaron R. Kulkis of Buffalo Poo, 
>Indiana.  Ms Kulkis enjoys long walks on the beach, romantic dinners for two, 
>and giving blow-jobs to sailors.
>
>On Mon, 02 Apr 2001 08:52:21 -0400, "Aaron R. Kulkis" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>>Could be because that theiving Caucescou and equallly dispicable bitch
>Could be because that THIEVING CEAUSESCU and EQUALLY DESPICABLE bitch
>
>Summary: Ms Kulkis should spend more time revising her spelling and less time 
>revising history.  
>HTH
>The Spelling Troll

Hilarious!  Best spelling troll I've ever seen.

-- 
T. Max Devlin
  *** The best way to convince another is
          to state your case moderately and
             accurately.   - Benjamin Franklin ***

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From: "Dana" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Crossposted-To: 
misc.survivalism,alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,soc.singles,alt.society.liberalism,talk.politics.guns
Subject: Re: Communism, Communist propagandists in the US...still..to this day.
Date: Mon, 2 Apr 2001 10:23:20 -0800

Scott Erb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message
news:[EMAIL PROTECTED]...
>
>
> Dana wrote:
> >
> > No Erb, you are the one that is wrong. We are a constitutional republic.
We
> > are not a liberal democracy, that form of socialism
>
> No, you're wrong.

No erb, you are wrong. You fail to realize what the modern incarnation of
the term liberal is. The modern liberal is not a classical liberal like
Locke, Hobbs. Modern liberals are socialists. That is why there is such a
negative feeling towards the term liberal democracy. That is practiced in
Europe, and it is socialism.

 Liberal Democracy means a Democratic Republic based
> on liberal principles.

It is not based on liberal principles, it is based on socialism
It is not liberal in the sense of classical liberalism.

  Ideological liberalism is a belief in limited
> government and a claim that humans have the inherent right of life,
> liberty and property, based on the work of among others, John Locke.
> Liberalism is an ideological opponent of socialism.

And a liberal democracy is socialism, just look at Europe.
>
> Classical liberalism saw a very, very limited government (Milton
> Friedman considers himself a classical liberal), "new" liberalism
> associated with developments in Britain and thinkers like John Stuart
> Mill argues that to have real liberty and equal opportunity the state
> must institute some kind of social welfare programs.  Both are at base
> ideologically liberal, socialism is something else.

When the state gets involved with social welfare programs, you have
socialism, which leads to fascism once the state gets involved in the means
of production/controls industry.
>
> > is found in Europe in
> > countries like Germany. And our federalism is not Germany's >federalism.
>
> Germany in some ways has a stronger federalism than ours,
Socialism is socialism.
 their states
> choose who serves in their upper house, much like the US Senate was
> chosen before direct popular vote to the Senate was ratified.

Which was a mistake.
>
> Dana, your ignorance of the basics here shows that perhaps you need to
> do some reading on this.  I'll later on post a set of books you could
> start with; at this point, you are in over your head.

No erb, it is you who is showing ignorance/dishonesty. You are a socialist
and you have claimed the title liberal, but you are not liberal in the
fashion of Locke.

We go over this with you a couple of times a year. And each time you are
proven wrong. And you wonder why so called instructers like you get no
respect. Well we all you teach is revision and some misguided facts, you
deserve no respect. All you need to do is be honest. A liberal democracy is
socialism.



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