Dear David san
   I didn't think of HIP, but am glad that the topic moved on to it and to
   know the latest perspective of experts' ... :-) I know Robert Spencer's
   opinion on singing early modern English which I am not trying to
   question at the moment.
   I should have asked 'received pronunciation' (?) of Laten in Anglican
   church of today..
    I am not sure about "Eliza" in latin. "Vivat" is to be pronounced like
   vee-vat as far as I know... ( other Latin phrases appear in the song
   didn't sound that English-like in the Rooley's recording.)
   Tomoko
   2017/04/24 0:48 "David van Ooijen" <[1]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>:

        HIP 2.0 (?!)
        Wa chotto hen desu, yo!
        *******************************
        David van Ooijen
        [1][2]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
        [2][3]www.davidvanooijen.nl
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        On 23 April 2017 at 17:44, Jerzy Zak <[3][4]jurek...@gmail.com>
     wrote:
          Dear Tomoko,
          Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left,
     choose
          a language you think it is in, and press the little speaker
          underneath. Then keep changing languages until you think it
     rhymes
          best with âAve MarÃa'. Stupid but works ;)
          Jerzy
          â
          > On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02, lutenist.mumin.koide gmail
          <[4][5]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
          >
          > Dear lute-list,
          >
          > Could anyone help me clarify pronunciation of "Vivat Eliza"
     in
          Dowland's composition
          > to Sir. Henry Lee's poem "Time's Eldest Son"?
          >
          > I thought it could be " viÃvà ¦t ("Vivat" read in
     ecclesiastical
          Latin?) and " ÃiÃzÃ" (with this pronunciation it rhymes with
     "Ave
          Maria" ) though many sang it " vaà ªvà ¦t Ãlà ¬Ã ªzÃ" for 
which
     I
          couldn't find any reason...
          >
          > Tomoko
          >
          >
          >
          >
          >
          > To get on or off this list see list information at
          > [5][6]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
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     References
        1. mailto:[7]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
        2.  [8]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
        3. mailto:[9]jurek...@gmail.com
        4. mailto:[10]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
        5.  [11]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

   2017/04/24 0:48 "David van Ooijen" <[12]davidvanooi...@gmail.com>:

        HIP 2.0 (?!)
        Wa chotto hen desu, yo!

      *******************************
      David van Ooijen
      [1][13]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
      [2][14]www.davidvanooijen.nl
      *******************************

      On 23 April 2017 at 17:44, Jerzy Zak <[3][15]jurek...@gmail.com>
   wrote:
        Dear Tomoko,
        Try GoogleTranslate. Put your fraze in the space on the left,
   choose
        a language you think it is in, and press the little speaker
        underneath. Then keep changing languages until you think it rhymes

          best with âAve MarÃa'. Stupid but works ;)
          Jerzy
          â

        > On 23 Apr 2017, at 17:02, lutenist.mumin.koide gmail

        <[4][16]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com> wrote:
        >
        > Dear lute-list,
        >
        > Could anyone help me clarify pronunciation of "Vivat Eliza" in
        Dowland's composition
        > to Sir. Henry Lee's poem "Time's Eldest Son"?
        >

          > I thought it could be " viÃvà ¦t ("Vivat" read in
     ecclesiastical
          Latin?) and " ÃiÃzÃ" (with this pronunciation it rhymes with
     "Ave
          Maria" ) though many sang it " vaà ªvà ¦t Ãlà ¬Ã ªzÃ" for 
which
     I

        couldn't find any reason...
        >
        > Tomoko
        >
        >
        >
        >
        >
        > To get on or off this list see list information at

          > [5][17]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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   References
      1. mailto:[18]davidvanooi...@gmail.com
      2. [19]http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/

        3. mailto:[20]jurek...@gmail.com
        4. mailto:[21]lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
        5. [22]http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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References

   1. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   2. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   3. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
   4. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com
   5. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
   6. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
   7. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
   8. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
   9. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com
  10. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
  11. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  12. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  13. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  14. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  15. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com
  16. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
  17. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html
  18. mailto:davidvanooi...@gmail.com
  19. http://www.davidvanooijen.nl/
  20. mailto:jurek...@gmail.com
  21. mailto:lutenist.mumin.ko...@gmail.com
  22. http://www.cs.dartmouth.edu/~wbc/lute-admin/index.html

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