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On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: > > Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho Chi > Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi > occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. Louis: > I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the Nazis. I assume Louis is referring to the possibility of the PYD collaborating directly with the Assad regime, including its vile hints of helping it attack Idlib, rather than its collaboration with the US, which, problematic as it is in countless ways, is directed against ISIS and so cannot be compared to Bandera etc. I think that Chris and Nick are right that at this stage that is only conjecture, but the PYD's opportunism and extraordinary blind spots are open to all in the way they make statements that even leave such a possibility open. Collaborating with a regime that has just released over 8000 death certificates for those it has held in detention for years (which says nothing of the 80,000 whose whereabouts is unknown) and which right now is arresting and killing activists who signed onto its various "reconciliation" agreements just so as to stop getting bombed, would indeed be 'Banderite' and I hope the PYD doesn't go down that path. I assume Nick's comparison of Tito and Ho with the PYD refers to their collaboration with US imperialism to defeat ISIS, rather than the possibility of collaborating with Assad. Leaving specifics aside, let's say OK. Here's a question for Nick, Chris and anyone else who would like to answer, especially people who took part in grotesque "No war on Syria" rallies when the US theatrically hit a few empty buildings some months ago, where not a soul was even hurt, but who never protested years of US bombing Syria on behalf of the YPG, even though it killed 2000 civilians and reduced the city of Raqqa to total ruins. Here it is: Would your Tito/Ho Chi Minh analogy also have applied to the FSA/rebels if the US had entered the war on their side by bombing Assad's forces to bits, reducing some Assad-held cities to rubble, and killed thousands of civilians, to facilitate an FSA entry into Damascus? On Tue, Aug 7, 2018 at 1:41 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism <marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** > #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. > #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. > #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. > ***************************************************************** > > As Chris has demonstrated Probsting’s article contains as much evidence of > SDF-Assad collaboration as badly photoshopped images of YPG and SAA flags > flying together in Aleppo, or the articles a few years ago in Syrian and > Turkish state media uncritically shared IIRC by Louis among others in which > Assad claimed to have armed the YPG. Assad didn’t get around to sharing the > documents he claimed to have on this, but whom amongst us hasn’t lost some > receipts down the back of the couch? > > On Tue, 7 Aug 2018 at 11:06 am, Louis Proyect via Marxism < > marxism@lists.csbs.utah.edu> wrote: > >> ******************** POSTING RULES & NOTES ******************** >> #1 YOU MUST clip all extraneous text when replying to a message. >> #2 This mail-list, like most, is publicly & permanently archived. >> #3 Subscribe and post under an alias if #2 is a concern. >> ***************************************************************** >> >> On 8/6/18 9:02 PM, Nick Fredman via Marxism wrote: >> > >> > Lucky RKOB wasn’t around to give heroic keyboard advice to Tito and Ho >> Chi >> > Minh about never collaborating with the US, or theremight still be a Nazi >> > occupation of Yugoslavia and a Japanese imperial occupation of Vietnam. >> >> I think the analogy might be more like Bandera collaborating with the >> Nazis. >> _________________________________________________________ >> Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm >> Set your options at: >> http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/nick.j.fredman%40gmail.com > _________________________________________________________ > Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm > Set your options at: > http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/mkaradjis%40gmail.com _________________________________________________________ Full posting guidelines at: http://www.marxmail.org/sub.htm Set your options at: http://lists.csbs.utah.edu/options/marxism/archive%40mail-archive.com
