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On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: > Dan, > > The problem with your suggestion is the potential danger of creating a kind > of "birding war" that would not help to solve any problem but may create new > ones, including potentially violent encounters in the field that we must > avoid. More productive could be the development of some flexible guidelines > by some local groups (like the Audubon society) about what birders or bird > photographers should do and not do in the field. Codes of ethics are by > definition general moral principles. In my humble opinion the best policy is > self-restraint and a good sense of personal responsibility. > There are issues that will never be solved. For example, the issue of > "disturbing" birds or approaching birds. Maybe for a particular birder being > too close to a bird means 50 feet away while for others may be only 30. > Massive birding by definition is a potential disturbance for many birds. When > you have 60 bird watchers congregated on the same spot that could create be > more disturbance than a single photographer taking pictures of the same bird > even at a closer distance. > What I am trying to say is that things cannot be one-dimensional and that > practical common sense cannot be like the Ten Commandments (for those who are > believers), written in stone. > FP > > > On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Gregory Fisher wrote: > >> >> Hey Dan, >> >> I am fine with that as long as you at least try to educate the individuals >> exhibiting the poor behavior. Some people are just ignorant and just need a >> little guidance. Yesterday's example by Adam is a prime example. You >> approach them, try to considerately educate them. When they resist and blow >> you off then communicate to others. Everyone deserves a fair shake. >> >> Greg >> >> -----Original Message----- >>> From: Dan <peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com> >>> Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM >>> To: Gregory Fisher <gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com> >>> Cc: "<nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>" <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>, NY BIRDS Cornell >>> <NYSBirds-l@Cornell.edu> >>> Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get >>> it >>> >>> Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them >>> to the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their >>> vehicle, try to photograph the make and model and the license plate number >>> too :) >>> >>> Good birding! >>> >>> Dan Furbish >>> peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com >> >> >> -- >> >> NYSbirds-L List Info: >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >> http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >> >> ARCHIVES: >> 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >> 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >> 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html >> >> Please submit your observations to eBird: >> http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >> >> -- > > -- > NYSbirds-L List Info: > Welcome and Basics > Rules and Information > Subscribe, Configuration and Leave > Archives: > The Mail Archive > Surfbirds > BirdingOnThe.Net > Please submit your observations to eBird! > -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
