Hello, I wanted to share my view as an 18 year old freshman in college. I have been birding hard for 4 years now. I have met many people, and since we are talking about birdwatching, I have met many older people. There have been many times where I have said WOW what an amazing day of birding, and I get the response " you should have seen it 30 years ago." I think that if the birding community focuses all of its attention on parasitic bird photographers, in the future I will be the one telling a young kid " you should have seen it 30 years ago". Isn't there much bigger threats to bird populations than bird photographers. Are they the reason why birding is not as good as it used to be. I am only 18 but I dont think so. Correct me if I am wrong, but I remember reading a post about a threat to the Four Sparrow Marsh. There were maybe three replies to that email. I think that should get a whole lot more attention. I have won a few awards on researcg regarding populations of eastern screech owls in relation to urbanization. I talked to over three hundred third fourth and fifth graders about the inportance of biodiversity and birds in our area. I have also recieved an audubon award for a bird picture I took. What group am I in? Am i parasite? Am i a birdwatcher? I am just a fan of birds Kyle Bardwell
From: Tom Kerr <tyrannustyran...@gmail.com> To: NYSBirds <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu> Sent: Tuesday, February 7, 2012 4:06 PM Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it Hi Everyone, Just to add my 2 cents on Owls. I was taught owls are not to be posted. I found a Saw-whet Owl once and returned with friends the next day. There were dozens of pellets at the base of the tree. This owl had been there for weeks. I never saw it again. 4 people were enough to chase it off in the dead of winter for good, and I learned my lesson. The only owl I have reported seeing to an RBA was a Snowy Owl on an inaccessible island visible from shore, hundreds of yards out. If I ask a birder I have just met about owls and they don't want to tell me where they are, that is just fine. I have asked and been told "no, its a secret." I have more respect for a birder that thinks about the bird's well-being first than one who wants to brag and show it off like a trophy. If you post the location of a roosting owl, or any bird for that matter, you have to share some responsibility for what happens to it, good or bad. If you know photographers are going to chase after it, or people are going to play calls at it all day long, you should probably take the bird's best interests into account and keep it to yourself. Use common sense. If this means new birders don't get to see it, then that's the way it has to be. I don't see anything wrong with having to earn your way into the birding community. On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 5:26 PM, Will Raup <hoaryredp...@hotmail.com> wrote: >Photographers are clearly muggles, but the birding community has its share of >deatheaters. > > >Will Raup >Albany, NY > > > >Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get it >From: jacobdruc...@msn.com >Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 16:53:32 -0500 >CC: gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com; peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com; >nysbirds-l@cornell.edu >To: fpimen...@verizon.net > > >When will Harry Potter fans get involved in this discussion? > > >Jacob > > >On Feb 6, 2012, at 4:45 PM, Felipe Pimentel wrote: > >Dan, >> >> >>The problem with your suggestion is the potential danger of creating a kind >>of "birding war" that would not help to solve any problem but may create new >>ones, including potentially violent encounters in the field that we must >>avoid. More productive could be the development of some flexible guidelines >>by some local groups (like the Audubon society) about what birders or bird >>photographers should do and not do in the field. Codes of ethics are by >>definition general moral principles. In my humble opinion the best policy is >>self-restraint and a good sense of personal responsibility. >> There are issues that will never be solved. For example, the issue of >>"disturbing" birds or approaching birds. Maybe for a particular birder being >>too close to a bird means 50 feet away while for others may be only 30. >>Massive birding by definition is a potential disturbance for many birds. When >>you have 60 bird watchers congregated on the same spot that could create be >>more disturbance than a single photographer taking pictures of the same bird >>even at a closer distance. >> What I am trying to say is that things cannot be one-dimensional and that >>practical common sense cannot be like the Ten Commandments (for those who are >>believers), written in stone. >>FP >> >>On Feb 6, 2012, at 3:39 PM, Gregory Fisher wrote: >> >> >>>Hey Dan, >>> >>> I am fine with that as long as you at least try to educate the individuals >>>exhibiting the poor behavior. Some people are just ignorant and just need a >>>little guidance. Yesterday's example by Adam is a prime example. You >>>approach them, try to considerately educate them. When they resist and blow >>>you off then communicate to others. Everyone deserves a fair shake. >>> >>>Greg >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>> >>>From: Dan <peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com> >>>> >>>Sent: Feb 6, 2012 3:35 PM >>>> >>>To: Gregory Fisher <gregoryfis...@sprintmail.com> >>>> >>>Cc: "<nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>" <nysbirds-l@cornell.edu>, NY BIRDS Cornell >>><NYSBirds-l@Cornell.edu> >>>> >>>Subject: Re: [nysbirds-l] Knee jerk reaction to 2 guys that just didn't get >>>it >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Let's all take photos of photographers that misbehave. Be SURE to post them >>>to the appropriate listserve. If you see that photographer enter their >>>vehicle, try to photograph the make and model and the license plate number >>>too :) >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Good birding! >>>> >>> >>>> >>>Dan Furbish >>>> >>>peterbilt.bir...@yahoo.com >>>> >>> >>>-- >>> >>>NYSbirds-L List Info: >>>http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME >>>http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES >>>http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm >>> >>>ARCHIVES: >>>1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html >>>2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L >>>3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html >>> >>>Please submit your observations to eBird: >>>http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ >>> >>>-- >>> >> >>-- >>NYSbirds-L List Info: >>Welcome and Basics >>Rules and Information >>Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >>Archives: >>The Mail Archive >>Surfbirds >>BirdingOnThe.Net >>Please submit your observations to eBird! >>-- > >-- >NYSbirds-L List Info: >Welcome and Basics >Rules and Information >Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >Archives: >The Mail Archive >Surfbirds >BirdingOnThe.Net >Please submit your observations to eBird! >-- >-- >NYSbirds-L List Info: >Welcome and Basics >Rules and Information >Subscribe, Configuration and Leave >Archives: >The Mail Archive >Surfbirds >BirdingOnThe.Net >Please submit your observations to eBird! >-- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: Welcome and Basics Rules and Information Subscribe, Configuration and Leave Archives: The Mail Archive Surfbirds BirdingOnThe.Net Please submit your observations to eBird! -- -- NYSbirds-L List Info: http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsWELCOME http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsRULES http://www.NortheastBirding.com/NYSbirdsSubscribeConfigurationLeave.htm ARCHIVES: 1) http://www.mail-archive.com/nysbirds-l@cornell.edu/maillist.html 2) http://www.surfbirds.com/birdingmail/Group/NYSBirds-L 3) http://birdingonthe.net/mailinglists/NYSB.html Please submit your observations to eBird: http://ebird.org/content/ebird/ --
