But you did! By suggesting that weight loss is purely about calorie reduction you *are *saying that all calories are equal. It's an implication, but it's still there. The scary bit is that the material I mentioned earlier suggests that not only is this is just plain wrong, but that this message itself originated from PR efforts by the US sugar cartels to control the message. This highly persuasive idea has persisted in food and nutrition policies since the 80s, despite mounting evidence to the contrary.
But when you actually think about it for just a moment... it doesn't really hold up. We've eaten animal fats since we crawled out of the ocean, but only eaten refined sugar in anything like the volumes we eat to day for about 150 years. Is it really fat that's killing us, or - as John Yukdkin suggested in the 70s - is it the sugar that we relatively recently added to our diets? And given the low fat message was promoted in the 80s - and we've only got more obese and more diabetic since - has cutting back on fat actually worked? And why do high-fat cultures like the Inuit not (traditionally) get diabetes? In That Sugar Film he swaps fat calories for sugar calories *to the same total calorific intake* and puts on a heap of weight. It's the 'Super Size Me' experiment, except he doesn't do it with junk food, just with normal 'healthy' low fat options (that happen to be laced with sucrose to compensate for the lack of fat). This should cause anyone who is attempting to pursue a low fat diet some serious pause for thought. So by all means get yourself a sit/stand desk, but don't eat your low-fat yogurt off it! On 20 June 2017 at 12:00, Bec C <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: > Never said a calorie is a calorie. Anyway try it, cut calories by like > 300-500 a day and you will lose weight. > > Anyway this post was about sit stand desks... > > > On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> 'As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories' >> >> Read The Case Against Sugar or Pure White and Deadly, or watch That >> Sugar Film, or The Men That Made Us Fat. They all make the point that the >> basic biochemistry (which is well established) *absolutely* disagrees >> with this. Fat, glucose and fructose all have very different pathways for >> metabolism, which makes a lie of the 'calorie is a calorie' mantra (itself >> accused of being an invention of the sugar industry). In That Sugar Film >> (admittedly a sample size of one) he puts on significant weight without >> changing total calorific intake, by swapping fat for sugar (and explains >> why). >> >> I take everything I read highly skeptically, but in particular The Case >> Against Sugar is very comprehensively argued and well worth reading. The >> historical context is particularly damming. >> >> On 20 Jun. 2017 08:53, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >>> You can be an idiot on any diet. I wouldn't believe everything you read >>> either. I've seen studies that totally contradict each other. >>> >>> Just for the record I'm not actually vegan. I tried it a few years ago. >>> >>> As far as losing weight goes it is all about calories. Being healthy is >>> a whole different thing. >>> >>> Anyway too off topic now >>> >>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> OOTT: At the risk of starting a flame war, I'm going to call >>>> shenanigans on this one (sorry Bec). Whilst most vegans probably have very >>>> healthy diets (due to increased awareness of what they eat) there's nothing >>>> inherent in veganism that actually ensures this, as a quick scan down the >>>> vegan society pages confirms: https://www.vegansociety.com/r >>>> esources/lifestyle/food-and-drink. Plenty of sugary treats in that >>>> list described as vegan, even beans on toast is packed with the stuff. >>>> >>>> It's *not* about the calories. https://www.theguard >>>> ian.com/society/2016/apr/07/the-sugar-conspiracy-robert-lust >>>> ig-john-yudkin >>>> >>>> OOTT= off off-topic topic >>>> >>>> On 20 Jun. 2017 06:29, "Bec C" <bec.usern...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Yep that podcast is fairly good. Veganism also works for losing >>>>> weight, very hard to eat excess calories on a vegan diet. >>>>> >>>>> On Tuesday, 20 June 2017, Stephen Price <step...@lythixdesigns.com> >>>>> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Totally agree on this point. I've been ketogenic for six months now >>>>>> (lost 6kg in the first month, have plateaued now but feel great). Some >>>>>> .net >>>>>> people may know Carl Franklin's been podcasting at 2ketodudes.com, >>>>>> and he's done an awesome job recording his progress. 6 months and he lost >>>>>> 80lb and is no longer type 2 diabetic. >>>>>> Got so much out of it, I backed his kickstarter project to turn his >>>>>> town keto for a weekend. Flying out with my wife in a couple of weeks. >>>>>> Will >>>>>> be seeing the sights in New York, then up to New London for ketofest. >>>>>> Btw, you don't have to be over weight to suffer the damaging effects >>>>>> of too much carbs/sugar. The inflammatory damage in your veins can't be >>>>>> seen from the outside. >>>>>> >>>>>> One of the strange side effects I have noticed is that some days I >>>>>> forget to eat. Today, I had accidentally turned off my alarm so was >>>>>> running >>>>>> a bit late. Went to work with no breakfast, had one coffee at work, and >>>>>> worked right through lunch as I hadn't taken anything and office is a bit >>>>>> of a drive from places to eat. Barely noticed. >>>>>> Don't miss sugar. Finding some awesome recipes along the way. >>>>>> Recently made deep fried chicken crumbed in pork rinds combined with >>>>>> Parmesan cheese. >>>>>> So good. Hmm... this might possibly be the first recipe shared on >>>>>> this elist. :) >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyway to keep on topic, had a standup desk and my last project, one >>>>>> of those motorised ones. Great for exercise and strengthening but not >>>>>> losing weight. What you put in your body has way more effect in that >>>>>> regard. You can lose weight with zero exercise, but exercise is >>>>>> important >>>>>> for other reasons. I.e. Preventing muscles wasting away. If you don't use >>>>>> it, you lose it. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers, >>>>>> Stephen >>>>>> ------------------------------ >>>>>> *From:* ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com <ozdotnet-boun...@ozdotnet.com> >>>>>> on behalf of Piers Williams <piers.willi...@gmail.com> >>>>>> *Sent:* Monday, June 19, 2017 8:46:35 PM >>>>>> *To:* ozDotNet >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: [OT] Sit/stand desk results >>>>>> >>>>>> There are quite a few people in my office now using sit-to-stand >>>>>> desks. I sent a scary article around about a year or so ago about the >>>>>> health issues, but I think it's mostly the availability of reasonable >>>>>> quality converters (Varidesk etc) that's really changed things. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm between offices too much to have one myself (I'd need 3), so I >>>>>> just concentrate on having a regular walk around the office instead, and >>>>>> having all meetings as stand ups. And - on the insulin front - be sure to >>>>>> read up on (and cut down on) the sugar that's crammed into everything >>>>>> these >>>>>> days. >>>>>> >>>>>> On 19 Jun. 2017 14:33, "Tony Wright" <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> No, not the back for me. They say that your body stops regulating >>>>>>> insulin properly after 4 hours of sitting, and that's about when I was >>>>>>> feeling unwell/lethargic from sitting. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 4:00 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Did you switch to this for a specific reason (lower back problem >>>>>>>> for example)? If so did this help at all in a noticeable way? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Monday, 19 June 2017, Tony Wright <tonyw...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Tom, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> It changes for me. Sometimes I stand, sometimes I sit. If I feel >>>>>>>>> that I've been sitting for too long, I hit the buttons and stand for a >>>>>>>>> while. I'm not regretful for one second that I have the option. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Tony >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Mon, Jun 19, 2017 at 1:54 PM, Tom Rutter <therut...@gmail.com> >>>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Hey folks >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I recall a while ago discussion into sit/stand desks and was >>>>>>>>>> interested in how people went with this setup. Did those that tried >>>>>>>>>> standing get any good (or bad) results? Are they still doing it or >>>>>>>>>> went >>>>>>>>>> back to only sitting? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Cheers >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- piers more pedantry at http://piers7.blogspot.com/
