The sad part about HTML5 is all the awesome innovative stuff we've seen out of MSFT powered by Silverlight will now have to been slowly ported over HTML5 and the loser is new innovation.
Great that it will have more reach but from an innovation point of view it sucks. Example Photosynth, sure a pure HTML5 version would be great but it will cost all the dev resources to do it and we don't get anything new. It is a real pity that the right decision is to spend your time on boring HTML5 rather then doing new work that has never been done before in Silverlight. >From a business point of view how do you allocate your resources for a RIA? 1) HTML4 / AJAX - greatest reach for some time, limited functionality 2) HTML5 - potential for greater reach, build RIAs, limited tooling 3) SL - suffer from the plugin install issue, richer experience, good tools. My guess is conservative managers are going to choose 1+2, if not just 1 and "wait till 90%+ of devices have HTML5 caps". CC: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com From: scott.bar...@gmail.com Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Date: Wed, 15 Sep 2010 12:05:52 +1000 To: ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com Whe u say "they" who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important. 200+ devs are on sl today how many do u think work on IE? Or the variety of tooling and also how do u justify the double ups between sl and html5 espec when the later hasn't got an audience really defined yet? Where do u put your $100 spends etc? Who foots the bill on marketing it all? Windows? Office? Vstudio? Expression? Do u know expression teams don't report to the same org tree as silverlight teams do? It's great to say "do both" but sit down crunch the numbers and factor in divisional politics and welcome to he internal reality of Microsoft --Sent from my mini iPad nano (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this device as small keys) On 15/09/2010, at 11:50 AM, "Perry Stathopoulos" <psta...@gmail.com> wrote: First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking about the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of life, but normal development cycles vs. double time). MS arrived late to the party in online video streaming. IE is nothing but a punching bag online, so they need to step it up if they want to be taken seriously as an online leader. They surely don’t want to be late again with HTML5. Yes it makes sense to invest heavily early in this new shiny object, lest they arrive late again. From: Jordan Knight Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:17 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... rather short sighted given hindsight... My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through standards. But there is new stuff now... that stuff has been done - tech moves on. Where consumers *also* win is that SL and Flash are all about ideas and tech that doesn't/didn't exist yet + getting it to market fast. It's a playground for great ideas. 3D video. Surround sound, adaptive smooth streaming (for the SL = video zealots). Multitouch, multi screen, multi bloody everything. Rapid development (through Des/Dev workflows) + awesome tooling. Consumers like apps too remember. They would much rather read their EPG in an app than have a link to a web page on their desktop. And what about other ideas that don't really exist yet. To say that WPF is dead and/or dying - well I say to you - there is more to the world of UX and consumerism than just the browser/current thinking. I think that WPF is _still_ ahead of its time. Tech/devices are moving wayyyyy too fast for HTML5 spec to keep up with (what about this cheap new device? http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/)... I think the HTML5 vs the world debate is forgetting about the consumer app/hi-tech/new shiny device market - it will/(*is*) be hooooooge! And we need to keep the consumers happy (which means being nimble!). HTML5 is great, bringing what we demand to spec. Yaay for Vimeo working on my iPhone! Plugins are great bringing us the latest tech quickly. And... as new screens are added (Surface, phones etc)... then you can be sure i'll be betting the farm on ripping out apps quickly on tech like WPF... Cheap Surfaces, every shop... WPF = killer. My 2 cents :) On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tatham Oddie <tat...@oddie.com.au> wrote: Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn’t agree with many of Scott’s points. Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 -- Tatham Oddie au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, not a typewriter. From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of danlaz...@arcamis.com Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM To: ozSilverlight Subject: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
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