"A reasonable man adapts himself to his environment. An unreasonable man persists in attempting to adapt his environment to suit himself. Therefore, all progress depends on the unreasonable man." - George Bernard Shaw.
Regards, Scott Barnes http://www.riagenic.com On Wed, Sep 15, 2010 at 12:36 PM, Perry Stathopoulos <psta...@gmail.com> wrote: > They is Microsoft. > I don’t work for MS, so I don’t not its internals, however I’ve worked for > several large corporations and I’m all too familiar with > inter-department/division power struggles. This is nothing new. > > Realistically I’m sure each division is given its budget, timelines and > deliverables. That is decided at higher level, which each division must try > to influence the decision maker to get what he/she wants. Again nothing new > here. > > As outsiders, we can try to influence the decisions that MS takes. > Priorities change in corporations all the time in response to market > conditions and customer demands, again nothing new. However, I keep thinking > about this quote: "If I had asked my customers what they wanted, they would > have said a faster horse." -Henry Ford > > Don’t get me wrong I love SL especially compared to Flash. However HTML does > have many advantages. I’m in upper management for a web based company, with > tens of millions of visitors per day. So, I have a very good idea of what is > going on in the web world including mobile web and what is required to make > things work at the speed of Internet. > > In the Intranet world, things are very different there. MS pretty much owns > that, but on the Internet, far from it. IMO that distinction is often not > talked about. There are many things that I would do on a company’s intranet, > that should simply never be done on a public Internet (think latency and > network speed you pour Aussies ;-p) > > While the official HTML5 spec is a long way to being ratified, it’s already > here. With IE9, all major browsers will support many of the major HTML5 > elements. So yes Microsoft is investing in HTML5 because it wants to be > taken as a serious Internet player. > > > From: Scott Barnes > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 10:05 PM > To: ozSilverlight > Cc: ozSilverlight > Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic > > Whe u say "they" who are u referring to? Developer division or ie / windows > team? And who has right of way in terms of budgets and launch timelines? > Msft has loads of money but if you have ever sat in a review of the business > etc u will note that being held fiscally accountable is very important. > > 200+ devs are on sl today how many do u think work on IE? Or the variety of > tooling and also how do u justify the double ups between sl and html5 espec > when the later hasn't got an audience really defined yet? Where do u put > your $100 spends etc? Who foots the bill on marketing it all? Windows? > Office? Vstudio? Expression? Do u know expression teams don't report to the > same org tree as silverlight teams do? > > It's great to say "do both" but sit down crunch the numbers and factor in > divisional politics and welcome to he internal reality of Microsoft > > -- > Sent from my mini iPad nano > (excuse my spilling and grammar as I have giant man like fingers and this > device as small keys) > On 15/09/2010, at 11:50 AM, "Perry Stathopoulos" <psta...@gmail.com> wrote: > > First, everyone should also read Mike Taulty’s post: > http://mtaulty.com/CommunityServer/blogs/mike_taultys_blog/archive/2010/09/10/iphone-4-is-dead.aspx > > Another thing that I didn’t see too much in all this hoopla is talking about > the obvious that Silverlight is reaching maturity (not end of life, but > normal development cycles vs. double time). MS arrived late to the party in > online video streaming. IE is nothing but a punching bag online, so they > need to step it up if they want to be taken seriously as an online leader. > They surely don’t want to be late again with HTML5. Yes it makes sense to > invest heavily early in this new shiny object, lest they arrive late again. > > > From: Jordan Knight > Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2010 9:17 PM > To: ozSilverlight > Subject: Re: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic > > I'd also like to raise some points RE HTML5 and WPF/SL etc. > > Back in the 1890's the head of the US patent office declared he was going to > close the office because he thought that there was nothing left to invent... > rather short sighted given hindsight... > > My point is that HTML5 will bring to the masses through standardisation the > features that consumers have come to demand thanks to agile plugins like SL > and Flash. To quote the SL team blog post that flamed the debate - SL/Flash > trailblaze and HTML5 will then pave the road. These features are already out > there and pervasive (demanded) - so why not standardise and give them the > ultimate reach they deserve! Bravo - it's a really good idea, and consumers > win. The stuff that was around years ago will now be available through > standards. > > But there is new stuff now... that stuff has been done - tech moves on. > > Where consumers *also* win is that SL and Flash are all about ideas and tech > that doesn't/didn't exist yet + getting it to market fast. It's a playground > for great ideas. 3D video. Surround sound, adaptive smooth streaming (for > the SL = video zealots). Multitouch, multi screen, multi bloody everything. > Rapid development (through Des/Dev workflows) + awesome tooling. > > Consumers like apps too remember. They would much rather read their EPG in > an app than have a link to a web page on their desktop. > > And what about other ideas that don't really exist yet. To say that WPF is > dead and/or dying - well I say to you - there is more to the world of UX and > consumerism than just the browser/current thinking. I think that WPF is > _still_ ahead of its time. Tech/devices are moving wayyyyy too fast for > HTML5 spec to keep up with (what about this cheap new device? > http://www.engadget.com/2010/09/13/microsoft-principal-researcher-bill-buxton-surface-will-be-in-h/)... > > I think the HTML5 vs the world debate is forgetting about the consumer > app/hi-tech/new shiny device market - it will/(*is*) be hooooooge! And we > need to keep the consumers happy (which means being nimble!). > > HTML5 is great, bringing what we demand to spec. Yaay for Vimeo working on > my iPhone! Plugins are great bringing us the latest tech quickly. And... as > new screens are added (Surface, phones etc)... then you can be sure i'll be > betting the farm on ripping out apps quickly on tech like WPF... > > Cheap Surfaces, every shop... WPF = killer. > > My 2 cents :) > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:01 PM, Tatham Oddie <tat...@oddie.com.au> wrote: >> >> Even as the web standards zealot in the corner, I wouldn’t agree with many >> of Scott’s points. >> >> >> >> Jordan Knight and I just discussed the relationship between HTML5 and >> Silverlight across two episodes of Frankly Speaking: >> >> >> >> http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=256 >> >> http://www.noisetosignal.com.au/franklyspeaking/?p=260 >> >> >> >> -- >> >> Tatham Oddie >> >> au mob: +61 414 275 989, us cell: +1 213 280 9140, skype: tathamoddie >> >> If you’re printing this email, you’re doing it wrong. This is a computer, >> not a typewriter. >> >> >> >> From: ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com >> [mailto:ozsilverlight-boun...@ozsilverlight.com] On Behalf Of >> danlaz...@arcamis.com >> Sent: Tuesday, 14 September 2010 6:33 PM >> To: ozSilverlight >> Subject: Interesting article re: WPF/Silverlight/HTML5 on riagenic >> >> >> >> Via CodeProject 'Daily News' (14/09/2010) - >> http://www.riagenic.com/archives/363 >> >> >> >> Dr. Dan Lazner, PhD | Software Architect/Engineer/Developer >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> ozsilverlight mailing list >> ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com >> http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight >> > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > ________________________________ > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ > ozsilverlight mailing list > ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com > http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight > > _______________________________________________ ozsilverlight mailing list ozsilverlight@ozsilverlight.com http://prdlxvm0001.codify.net/mailman/listinfo/ozsilverlight
