50 mpg is excellent for a subcompact car. For a scooter? Not very good. Paul via phone
> On Jul 21, 2017, at 7:43 PM, Stanley Halpin <s...@stans-photography.info> > wrote: > > I know you are asking specifically about Subarus and vehicles of that ilk. It > has been years since I owned a Subaru and don’t recall. But I know that with > my Suzuki scooter with CVT, engine braking was something I very much > appreciated. Release the accelerator and it was almost as though I had > shifted to a lower gear. No coasting down long hills to save fuel, needed to > keep on the accelerator. But then I got 50-55mpg so that never worried me > much. > > stan > >> On Jul 21, 2017, at 5:48 PM, John <sesso...@earthlink.net> wrote: >> >> How well does it work going down-hill in the mountains so you don't burn >> out your brakes? >> >>> On 7/18/2017 16:01, Ken Waller wrote: >>> I believe one of the benefits the makers of CVTs sought was increased >>> mileage by >>> tuning the engine/trans to operate in the optimum power range. >>> >>> However most people, use to the (gear) steps in an automatic find the >>> constant acceleration to be unusual and to some unnerving, resulting in >>> customer complaints and their effects on 'things gone wrong'. >>> The inclusion of 'steps' is the manufacturers effort to improve customer >>> satisfaction. >>> I believe its another case of the industry unleashing 'new' technology >>> without properly preparing the potential buyers for the >>> different/unusual characteristics. >>> >>> I've not seen any numbers but the inclusion of these emulated steps >>> can't have a big effect on overall economy. >>> >>> I also prefer a good manual transmission - I prefer the involvement - >>> but I've driven some of the better dual clutch vehicles and they are >>> very hard not to like and generally shift quicker than most can shift a >>> manual. >>> >>> Kenneth Waller >>> http://www.pentaxphotogallery.com/kennethwaller >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Igor PDML-StR" <pdml...@komkon.org> >>> Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru >>> >>> >>>> >>>> >>>> IMHO, those emulated steps on top of the CVT are ludicrous. >>>> One of the biggest advantages (and the reasons why CVT was invented in >>>> the first place) is the stepless, smooth transmission. >>>> So, this "emulation" is undoing the benefit. >>>> And I know that Nissan and Honda (and a few others) are doing that >>>> horrendous stupidity to satisfy people who need to be jolted every >>>> time they accelerate. The worst part is that you cannot disable that >>>> stupid emulation. (That should be very simple - that's a computer >>>> program.) >>>> >>>> I actually enjoy the smoothness I had from the CVT in Nissan Rogue, >>>> except for the problems, which include the higher-pitched "whining" >>>> sound. >>>> >>>> And yes, I enjoy the manual transmission too, which I've had for many >>>> years, but now I am giving up on that, as that requirement complicates >>>> things: 1) the choice of cars is narrowed significantly and 2) the >>>> logistics more complicated when my wife's car needs to be serviced, or >>>> whatever... >>>> >>>> >>>> Anyway... >>>> >>>> Igor >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Mon Jul 17 11:34:56 EDT 2017 P. J. Alling wrote: >>>> >>>> That's simply because most drivers are used to automatic transmissions >>>> with discrete gears. I don't prefer either, given a choice I'd take a >>>> manual transmission any day. I'd also like to mention the fact that >>>> with the current generation of car thieves a manual transmission is an >>>> unintended anti theft device. >>>> >>>> >>>>> On 7/17/2017 9:59 AM, Ken Waller wrote: >>>>> That constant acceleration - lack of shift feel is subjectively seen by >>>> some drivers as a negative, so much that some manufacturers have added >>>> a shift feel to their CVT transmissions so as to eliminate the >>>> constant acceleration feel. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>>> From: Zos Xavius <zosxavius at gmail.com> >>>>>> Subject: Re: OT -Unexptected Good News from Subaru >>>>>> >>>>>> My mom has a CVT Nissan Sentra. Its pretty peppy between 0 and 80. >>>>>> What's nice is that once it starts accelerating it doesn't stop. Just >>>>>> smooth acceleration until you take your foot off the pedal. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jul 16, 2017 at 11:04 PM, Paul Stenquist <pnstenquist at >>>> mac.com> wrote: >>>>>>> I'd be worried about CVT durability, but for me, the main drawback is >>>> the driving feel. My 2014 Equinox has an 8-speed automatic, it feels >>>> great with a peppy 3- liter four, and has been trouble free. Nothing >>>> but oil changed thus far. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Paul via phone >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Jul 16, 2017, at 10:48 PM, Mark C <pdml-mark at charter.net> >>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Igor - >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm certainly happy with Subaru's decision to extend the warranty on >>>> their CVT's and to provide retroactive compensation. I don't expect to >>>> be using the money for a new lens. I'm pretty happy with the lenses I >>>> have - turns out that hanging onto good full frame glass was not a >>>> mistake The only lens that I am tempted to replace is the FA 20-35 f4, >>>> but I can't get a good handle on its performance on the K1. Sometimes >>>> it shines, sometimes it's a dud. It's clearly better (marginally) on >>>> film than on the K1 in terms of edge and corner sharpness. It also >>>> seems to be better at the long end than at 20mm. I recently fine-tuned >>>> the AF - and it needed about 5 steps of correction IIRC - so I'm >>>> hoping that helps. But I seldom shoot wider than 28mm so I don't feel >>>> too motivated to upgrade to the DFA 15-30. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I suspect that the reimbursement from Subaru will go into the VW >>>> repair fund. My wife's 2009 Tiguan seems to develop a $500 - $1000 >>>> problem every 10K or so. In the past year and a half we've replaced >>>> the timing chain, PCV system, rear main seal (blew out when the PCV >>>> system failed) and water pump. Last Thursday the dealership told me >>>> that both rear springs are broken - I need to get that checked out by >>>> an independent mechanic. Seems odd that both springs would break at >>>> the same time and that the car would still ride just fine. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Good luck with your car search. CVT's are a fact o life these days >>>> but they seem to be prone to funky and fatal errors. I would do >>>> serious research on any CVT vehicle. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Mark >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Igor PDML-StR wrote: >>>>>>>>> Hi Mark, >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I was just thinking about you and your Subaru CVT a few time in the >>>> past week. (We are looking for a car right now.) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am glad to hear that good news. I'd say that's probably an >>>> indicator of Subaru being one of the better manufacturers >>>> (behavior-wise). (Even though they should've admitted their problems >>>> much earlier.) And your local dealership is also among the better once >>>> since they've covered 50% even before this event. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Nissan gave us all sort of problems with our CVT (on Rogue) over the >>>> past 9 year, starting from the 1st year. And both, our dealership and >>>> the corporate office were very bad to address these problems. They >>>> were refusing to admit the problems despite the symptoms, until the >>>> transmission failed completely. And for the 2nd time, they were >>>> delaying admitting the problem it until the mileage was beyond the limit. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> After almost 20 years of owning Nissans (not exclusively), I am too >>>> afraid to buy any Nissan at this point: all models I would be >>>> potentially interested in have CVTs, and Nissan CVTs are plagued with >>>> problems, and Nissan is bad addressing them. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Speaking of "impressive" warranties (mentioned by Alan), - I've just >>>> learned that the "best industry warranty" advertised by Hyundai is to >>>> a large extent a gimmick: Only the 1st owner is eligible for the 10 >>>> yrs/100k miles (powertrain) warranty, for the subsequent owners it is >>>> 5yrs/60K. >>>>>>>>> (Additionally, there is practically no "bumper-to-bumper", large >>>> portion of the coverage of the "limited" warranty ends within the 1st >>>> year.) >>>>>>>>> Kia's "industry-best" warranty is a similar gimmick. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Anyway, - I am glad Mark for you. Despite the headache, at least you >>>> didn't suffer as much of the financial hit... >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> And the most intriguing question (for this list): >>>>>>>>> Are you going to buy some new lens with the unexpected ~$4K? >>>>>>>>> ;-) >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Igor >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark C Sat, 15 Jul 2017 20:46:26 -0700 wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Just over a year ago I posted about the failure of my Subaru CVT >>>> transmission, and appreciated the advice I got here. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Yesterday I received a notice from Subaru that they have >>>> retroactively extended the warranty on the CVT's to 10 years / 100K. >>>> The letter included a claim form to get reimbursement for out of >>>> pocket repair costs for those of us who had their CVT fail. Subaru >>>> picked up 50% of the cost to replace my transmission but I was still >>>> out of pocket about $4000 - good on Subaru to step and cover this >>>> problem. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Mark >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Science - Questions we may never find answers for. >> Religion - Answers we must never question. >> >> -- >> PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List >> PDML@pdml.net >> http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net >> to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and >> follow the directions. > > > -- > PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List > PDML@pdml.net > http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net > to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow > the directions. -- PDML Pentax-Discuss Mail List PDML@pdml.net http://pdml.net/mailman/listinfo/pdml_pdml.net to UNSUBSCRIBE from the PDML, please visit the link directly above and follow the directions.
