Hi Jean-Baptiste, On Mon, 13 Sep 2010, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote:
> Yes, why not for a longer perspective but at that time we needed quick and > local help. We couldn't afford the extra cost of travel/hotel for the > consultancy so that would mean you needed a company in or around Paris. Well, I guess from a Parisienne perspective this is equivalent to "no paid QX consultant in France" ... ;-) > and didn't wanted to have remote help. Some people might even consider to be put up in somebodies house for an interesting project ... > There are also lots of other reasons why a local ecosystem is important : > people get accustomed to qooxdoo, they heard of it before I talk about it, > ... With existing ecosystem, qooxdoo become a choice, otherwise, people > don't want to consider that option because they don't have that ecosystem > for themselves. This is typical to start using a pump : you need water > first to start the pump but you have bought the pump because you don't > have water. Company here sometimes don't choose qooxdoo because there is > no qooxdoo ecosystem and that's just increase the lack of qooxdoo > ecosystem in France. Other apparent competitor already have that critical > mass and that's why it is important for qooxdoo to have it out of > Germany/Switzerland. I said "apparent" competitor because we all know why > it is not true on a technical point of view but that's not the only point > of view, unfortunately for Qooxdoo. > > Thank you for you reply. Unfortunately the lack of other reply on that > ecosystem question show how it is not perceive as a problem and why it > won't change quickly I'm afraid. So, how will qooxdoo get that critical > mass outside Germany/Switzerland ? We already twit, comments on some blog > like ajaxian, contribute, ... and still there are only 2 known companies > in France (I hope there are a little more than we know). This big question > for me is How can qooxdoo think it will compete to other "web framework" > with lots of "acquired" companies ? By compete, I mean be known, become a > possible choice. How could you choose something you just don't know it > exists ? I know several really good products that just die to be the best > on a technical point of view, maybe they thought only technical point of > view counted, anyway, they are no more there to explain us their choice > ... > > We don't have to loose momentum, this is as important as being the best > technical tools. I'm not sure if all that kind of things are just "bad > ideas" or if only few of us care about it or if I'm so unclear that nobody > understand why so much noise for nothing or ... something else ? I think I do understand your point. On the other side, we were/are in the same situation when Tobi "discovered" Qooxdoo and we just decided to go for it (as you did). So far we have more than enough projects that allow us to use Qooxdoo (and make some contributions to it on the way, not the least giving talks/tutorials at various conferences to spread the word). I am NOT sure that everything would be better if Qooxdoo was being picked up a lot faster. I think projects also can grow too fast (meaning not as carefully designed/tested/etc). > ... and please, don't tell me I can use other product if I'm not satisfied. I didn't intend to. > This would be a way to escape the problem and BTW I am really globally > satisfied, I would not care about a product I'm not satisfied with. Indeed. > This is because we plan to use qooxdoo on a long term perspective that I > care so much. So do we and I think at the moment the best we can do is to implement great applications with it and have the rumor spread by word of mouth. And perhaps to make things a bit faster, provided that there IS a market for it (meaning some of the people requesting a lot also providing some resources for it) and not just a lot of demand for "free beer ...". Cheers, Fritz > On 13 sept. 2010, at 15:43, Fritz Zaucker wrote: > >> Hi Jean-Baptiste, >> >> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >> >>> On 10 sept. 2010, at 04:55, Leandro Santiago wrote: >>> >>>> (IMHO) In this case, is essential to create an ecossystem around qooxdoo >>> >>> Yes, fully agree. In France, qooxdoo is mainly unknown. I was not able to >>> get paid consultancy ! >> >> how about looking across the border? 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