On 09/13/2010 05:43 PM, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: > Thomas, > > You got wrong feeling.
Then what is it actually that you want? I understand you want a greater recognition of qooxdoo in the French IT market. But how do you want that to happen? T. > > JBB. > > On 13 sept. 2010, at 17:19, thron7 wrote: > >> Jean-Baptiste, >> >> whenever I read your posts regarding this topic, I get the feeling that >> what you want is that somebody else (e.g. the qooxdoo core team and/or >> 1&1) will run an intense and largely successful image campaign for >> qooxdoo in France, including setting up promotional material in French, >> posting ads in French TV and magazines, and organizing exclusive >> qooxdoo-centric conferences for decision makers in Paris. >> >> But I don't think this will happen. >> >> T. >> >> On 09/13/2010 04:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >>> Hi Fritz, >>> >>> Yes, why not for a longer perspective but at that time we needed quick and >>> local help. >>> We couldn't afford the extra cost of travel/hotel for the consultancy and >>> didn't wanted to have remote help. >>> >>> There are also lots of other reasons why a local ecosystem is important : >>> people get accustomed to qooxdoo, they heard of it before I talk about it, >>> ... >>> With existing ecosystem, qooxdoo become a choice, otherwise, people don't >>> want to consider that option because they don't have that ecosystem for >>> themselves. >>> This is typical to start using a pump : you need water first to start the >>> pump but you have bought the pump because you don't have water. >>> Company here sometimes don't choose qooxdoo because there is no qooxdoo >>> ecosystem and that's just increase the lack of qooxdoo ecosystem in France. >>> Other apparent competitor already have that critical mass and that's why it >>> is important for qooxdoo to have it out of Germany/Switzerland. >>> I said "apparent" competitor because we all know why it is not true on a >>> technical point of view but that's not the only point of view, >>> unfortunately for Qooxdoo. >>> >>> Thank you for you reply. Unfortunately the lack of other reply on that >>> ecosystem question show how it is not perceive as a problem and why it >>> won't change quickly I'm afraid. >>> So, how will qooxdoo get that critical mass outside Germany/Switzerland ? >>> We already twit, comments on some blog like ajaxian, contribute, ... and >>> still there are only 2 known companies in France (I hope there are a little >>> more than we know). >>> This big question for me is How can qooxdoo think it will compete to other >>> "web framework" with lots of "acquired" companies ? >>> By compete, I mean be known, become a possible choice. How could you choose >>> something you just don't know it exists ? >>> I know several really good products that just die to be the best on a >>> technical point of view, maybe they thought only technical point of view >>> counted, anyway, they are no more there to explain us their choice ... >>> >>> We don't have to loose momentum, this is as important as being the best >>> technical tools. >>> I'm not sure if all that kind of things are just "bad ideas" or if only few >>> of us care about it or if I'm so unclear that nobody understand why so much >>> noise for nothing or ... something else ? >>> >>> ... and please, don't tell me I can use other product if I'm not satisfied. >>> This would be a way to escape the problem and BTW I am really globally >>> satisfied, I would not care about a product I'm not satisfied with. >>> This is because we plan to use qooxdoo on a long term perspective that I >>> care so much. >>> >>> On 13 sept. 2010, at 15:43, Fritz Zaucker wrote: >>> >>>> Hi Jean-Baptiste, >>>> >>>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >>>> >>>>> On 10 sept. 2010, at 04:55, Leandro Santiago wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> (IMHO) In this case, is essential to create an ecossystem around qooxdoo >>>>> >>>>> Yes, fully agree. In France, qooxdoo is mainly unknown. I was not able to >>>>> get paid consultancy ! >>>> >>>> how about looking across the border? Many places in Switzerland are >>>> closer to you than some places in France ... >>>> >>>> Cheers, >>>> Fritz >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Oetiker+Partner AG tel: +41 62 775 9903 (direct) >>>> Fritz Zaucker +41 62 775 9900 (switch board) >>>> Aarweg 15 +41 79 675 0630 (mobile) >>>> CH-4600 Olten fax: +41 62 775 9905 >>>> Schweiz web: www.oetiker.ch >>>> >>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>>> Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances >>>> and start using them to simplify application deployment and >>>> accelerate your shift to cloud computing >>>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >>>> [email protected] >>>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >>> >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances >>> and start using them to simplify application deployment and >>> accelerate your shift to cloud computing >>> http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev >>> _______________________________________________ >>> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel >>> >>> >> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ >> Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances >> and start using them to simplify application deployment and >> accelerate your shift to cloud computing >> http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev >> _______________________________________________ >> qooxdoo-devel mailing list >> [email protected] >> https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ > Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances > and start using them to simplify application deployment and > accelerate your shift to cloud computing > http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev > _______________________________________________ > qooxdoo-devel mailing list > [email protected] > https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel > > ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Start uncovering the many advantages of virtual appliances and start using them to simplify application deployment and accelerate your shift to cloud computing http://p.sf.net/sfu/novell-sfdev2dev _______________________________________________ qooxdoo-devel mailing list [email protected] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/qooxdoo-devel
