Thomas, You got wrong feeling.
JBB. On 13 sept. 2010, at 17:19, thron7 wrote: > Jean-Baptiste, > > whenever I read your posts regarding this topic, I get the feeling that > what you want is that somebody else (e.g. the qooxdoo core team and/or > 1&1) will run an intense and largely successful image campaign for > qooxdoo in France, including setting up promotional material in French, > posting ads in French TV and magazines, and organizing exclusive > qooxdoo-centric conferences for decision makers in Paris. > > But I don't think this will happen. > > T. > > On 09/13/2010 04:12 PM, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >> Hi Fritz, >> >> Yes, why not for a longer perspective but at that time we needed quick and >> local help. >> We couldn't afford the extra cost of travel/hotel for the consultancy and >> didn't wanted to have remote help. >> >> There are also lots of other reasons why a local ecosystem is important : >> people get accustomed to qooxdoo, they heard of it before I talk about it, >> ... >> With existing ecosystem, qooxdoo become a choice, otherwise, people don't >> want to consider that option because they don't have that ecosystem for >> themselves. >> This is typical to start using a pump : you need water first to start the >> pump but you have bought the pump because you don't have water. >> Company here sometimes don't choose qooxdoo because there is no qooxdoo >> ecosystem and that's just increase the lack of qooxdoo ecosystem in France. >> Other apparent competitor already have that critical mass and that's why it >> is important for qooxdoo to have it out of Germany/Switzerland. >> I said "apparent" competitor because we all know why it is not true on a >> technical point of view but that's not the only point of view, unfortunately >> for Qooxdoo. >> >> Thank you for you reply. Unfortunately the lack of other reply on that >> ecosystem question show how it is not perceive as a problem and why it won't >> change quickly I'm afraid. >> So, how will qooxdoo get that critical mass outside Germany/Switzerland ? >> We already twit, comments on some blog like ajaxian, contribute, ... and >> still there are only 2 known companies in France (I hope there are a little >> more than we know). >> This big question for me is How can qooxdoo think it will compete to other >> "web framework" with lots of "acquired" companies ? >> By compete, I mean be known, become a possible choice. How could you choose >> something you just don't know it exists ? >> I know several really good products that just die to be the best on a >> technical point of view, maybe they thought only technical point of view >> counted, anyway, they are no more there to explain us their choice ... >> >> We don't have to loose momentum, this is as important as being the best >> technical tools. >> I'm not sure if all that kind of things are just "bad ideas" or if only few >> of us care about it or if I'm so unclear that nobody understand why so much >> noise for nothing or ... something else ? >> >> ... and please, don't tell me I can use other product if I'm not satisfied. >> This would be a way to escape the problem and BTW I am really globally >> satisfied, I would not care about a product I'm not satisfied with. >> This is because we plan to use qooxdoo on a long term perspective that I >> care so much. >> >> On 13 sept. 2010, at 15:43, Fritz Zaucker wrote: >> >>> Hi Jean-Baptiste, >>> >>> On Fri, 10 Sep 2010, Jean-Baptiste BRIAUD -- Novlog wrote: >>> >>>> On 10 sept. 2010, at 04:55, Leandro Santiago wrote: >>>> >>>>> (IMHO) In this case, is essential to create an ecossystem around qooxdoo >>>> >>>> Yes, fully agree. In France, qooxdoo is mainly unknown. I was not able to >>>> get paid consultancy ! >>> >>> how about looking across the border? 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