Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Dave Cole]

I told you this thread would go on forever...

73s and thanks,
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On 07/26/2017 06:20 PM, Clay Autery wrote:

Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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[Elecraft] Signing QRP

[Bill via Elecraft]

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of time 
and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the QRP guys 
are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his call.  Don't 
do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65

[Nr4c]

If your K3 draws 5A on receive you need to contact Elecraft NOW.  

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 25, 2017, at 11:01 AM, Colin  wrote:
> 
> Mike, I am experiencing a similar thing.   I had a session on FT8 a few days 
> ago and my K3 shut down completely, in fact it blew a 20A fuse on my 
> alternate 20A PSU but just shuts down on my 40A supply.
> 
> One thing I notice is that it appears to be drawing nearly 5 Amps on receive 
> which is excessive and one occasion while I was testing actually shut down on 
> receive.
> 
> It isn't the DC lead as I have replaced that with a factory supplied item.
> 
> I'm still working on it but unless the experts in this group have any ideas I 
> will attempt to re-invent the wheel.
> 
> 73
> 
> Colin, G3PSM
> 
>> On 23/07/2017 03:17, Michael Walker wrote:
>> Hi Buddy
>> 
>> I can thing of 2 things.  Overheating .. not likely since usually the RF
>> section shut downs.
>> 
>> RF getting into the power supply.  Grounding might not make a difference.
>> RF Chokes on the power supply DC cord might help.
>> 
>> Oh, the 3rd thing, Is your power supply up to the task?  Might it be
>> failing? Throw a volt meter on it.
>> 
>> Mike va3mw
>> 
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jul 22, 2017 at 9:28 PM, buddy s  wrote:
>>> 
>>> i am using wsjt-x software for jt65 using my k3.  after operating for
>>> approximately 2 hours today,  i answered a cq, and after 30 seconds the k3
>>> shut down completely.  i waited a few minutes and changed antennas.  the k3
>>> powered up, and i tried again.  same result, shutdown after 30 seconds of
>>> transmitting.  my power is set to 30 watts, and i am using a kat500 with
>>> both antennas.

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[Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage

[Dan Atchison via Elecraft]

I have observed this since receiving my K3s shortly after its 
introduction.   Even though I was told on the telephone that it was not 
possible, I sent in the K3s to have it analyzed and to have another PA 
issue resolved.  I later received an email confirming the issue stating 
that there is some leakage and that it was on their list for a fix.  
That was two years ago.


Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been 
observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a 
digital power meter.


73,
Dan



I received an email from a German ham telling me that he's observing the same
thing that I reported a couple of years ago. Specifically an audible "clicking"
sound in both my K3S and KPA500 that coincides with CW keying.  See this thread:
http://elecraft.365791.n2.nabble.com/KPA500-clicking-td7596512.html

Since there was no "fix" from Elecraft I guess time dulled my sensitivity to it
until I received the email and then I thought to listen for it again.  It's
thunderstorm season here in the AZ desert so my antenna cables are all
disconnected. Because the problem manifests whether or not RF is being generated
I put the K3S into TX Test mode and put the KPA500 into operate.  As before, the
clicking is still there in both the K3S and KPA500.

But while doing this I noted that the SWR LEDs on the KAT500 were flashing.
Since the antennas are disconnected this would be normal if RF was being
generated, however as stated, I'm in Test mode.  One of my tuner ports has a
dummy load attached so I switched to it and lo and behold the amp output LED was
showing ~50W.

I have an original K3 so I tuned it to the K3S frequency, keyed the K3S and
listened on the K3.  I could hear a non-coherent, clicky "garbage" signal that
seemed to have a spectrum roughly the width of the TX filter.  Because both
radios were running on the same power supply to eliminate the possibility of
crosstalk via that path I fired up an SDR-IQ running on a totally separate
computer and looked at the spectrum.  Although it's non-synchronous to the
keying I can see a signal that does have an envelope roughly shaped like a BPF
although it's far from flat in the passband.

The amplitude of this is affected by the output power setting and is present
with the KPA500 in Standby.  It also seems to be thermally sensitive; becoming
less conspicuous the longer things run.

Wes  N7WS

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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65

[Ignacy]

Older versions of K3 had a problem with a  trap or LPF in PA where at higher
frequencies and higher power the current increased to a point of PS
shutdown.  Contact Elecraft for a fix. 
Ignacy, NO9E



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Re: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors

[Erik Tkal]

I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger affects 
the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant Current charge 
and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage 
that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio tries to 
draw too much?

  Thanks and 73,
  Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen  wrote:

I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:

*LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *

On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
purposes.


The entire FAQ is found here:

https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c

73,

Kev K4VD
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Chris Tate - N6WM]

I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later 
and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.  Calling them a 
lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] on 
behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:

> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> respond.
>
> 73
>
> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Ron Polityka]

Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM
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Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Joe Subich, W4TV]

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:


I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:


I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Dave Cole]

My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that 
won't die.


73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
 > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
 > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
critique

their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:


I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]

on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:


I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Wayne Burdick]

Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is 
weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that 
you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if 
they’re local :) 

For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes 
QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, 
like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 
8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that 
*both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

“/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon 
footprint!” (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and 
opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Michael Goins]

I operated qrp exclusively for 25 years or so chasing DX and I also never
liked hearing the qrp tag on the end. To me, it was a way of trying to get
special treatment - sort of like cheating to me - and I never did it. The
thrill was in the chase and either finding someone down in the mud others
might be passing over and working them qrp or getting through pileups with
skill and not mega-power.

That said, it was fun when I worked a friend's station and got through the
pileup on the first or second call - at least for a while. Now I'm 1 watt
to 500 and I'm finally in a good place location-wise. Unfortunately, the
bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg




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> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
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> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
 log.

 If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
 later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
 Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

 ~C./WM
 
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 I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

 73,
 Kev K4VD

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Dave Heil]

During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate 
QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was 
that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. 
Only they could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP 
although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.


Dave K8MN

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I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors

[Clay Autery]

Lead Acid are charged/discharged at the same time in cars, but this is a
different app...

Ideally, I want my radio (load) to ONLY see the battery, NOT the charge
current coming in.
Ideally, I would like to have switching circuitry that cut the charge
off while the load was present (idle OR xmit, programmable choice). 
With a recover to charge switch back when load (chosen) is once again
absent.  (Need a battery recover delay PRIOR to switch on to allow it to
stabilize BEFORE the charge circuitry starts sending to set voltage/current.
Probably NOT "needed", but I like to be "nice" to my batteries and I
like to be even "nicer" to my radio.  I want it to get PURE,
unadulterated DC.
But I am the weird guy...  I get that.  

73,

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On 7/26/2017 12:46 PM, Kevin der Kinderen wrote:
> Hi Erik:
>
> I don't know the answer. I suspect you cannot charge and discharge at the
> same time. Bioenno's support has been pretty responsive so you might find
> an answer there.
>
> I believe Bioe is working on a product similar to the West Mountain PWRGate
> but specifically for LiFe batteries. Then combining charge and discharge
> makes more sense. I've run the PWRGate here with a marine battery for a
> while. I could see tucking away a similar product for the LiFe batteries
> into a go box.
>
> The chargers I have I bought with the batteries. I leave them plugged in
> and charging all the time ready for hitting the road.
>
> Kev
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Clay Autery]

My sentiments exactly.  Thank you!

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On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
>Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Dave Belville]

You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people?
If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in
control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I
would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish.

Dave
KD9VT

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole  wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
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>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
 log.

 If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
 later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
 Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

 ~C./WM
 
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 I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

 73,
 Kev K4VD

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> respond.
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Nicklas Johnson]

On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
>
​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
(probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
telling me about it.

For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
absolutely do not have.

Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
much reason to get mad about that.

   Nick
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[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Ken G Kopp]

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Kevin der Kinderen]

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

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> respond.
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Nicklas Johnson]

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

   Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:

> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
> log.
>
> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>
> ~C./WM
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
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> To: Ken G Kopp
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
>
> > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> > respond.
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[David Ferrington, M0XDF]

Nick, in the UK, /QRP is NOT a valid suffix, so we do hear quite a few ops 
using it (and I would respond to them), but you shouldn’t hear one of us using 
it.

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> On 26 Jul 2017, at 20:27, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
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[Elecraft] 1 Khz filter

[j...@kk9a.com]

I still cannot imagine using that wide of a filter on CW during crowded
band conditions however everyone has their preference. I was curious what
the 1khz filter was used for so I posted the question. The popular answer
was CW.  500Hz max is plenty wide for me and in a contest and I often have
other stations running on my filter edges. The same thing occurs on RTTY.
For non-contest expedition style operating I prefer to use the RIT when
too many stations call zero beat.

John KK9A aka P40A, WP2AA etc


Bill Breeden wrote:
Wed Jul 26 12:09:57 EDT 2017

Jim,

I think most K3 owners understand that.  Those who call CQ during
crowded band conditions also understand that their ears will take less
of a beating when using a 1 kHz DSP bandwidth in conjunction with a 1
kHz roofing filter instead of the next wider roofing filter, which, in a
K3 is often a 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.  That's the wonderful thing about a
K3, the owner can equip it according to his or her personal preference.
My ears have taking enough beatings over the years from stations outside
of the filter bandwidth pumping the AGC while using lesser receivers to
know that I prefer a tight roofing filter bandwidth so that the stations
outside of my DSP bandwidth have minimal effect on what I am hearing.
I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded conditions
before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found the improvement
well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may vary.

73,

Bill - NA5DX

On 7/25/2017 10:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote:
> On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
>> I found that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts
>> of my 400 Hz filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band
>> to answer CQs I still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter.
>
> It's important to remember that IF bandwidth is determined by DSP, and
> continuously adjustable. The plug-in filters are ROOFING filters --
> their primary function is to protect the DSP from overload by very
> strong stations outside the bandwidth of the DSP IF. They have the
> secondary function of adding the filtering provided by the DSP, and
> when the DSP and the roofing filter are at the same bandwidth, the
> filter skirts become steeper (sharper).
>
> Bottom line -- we don't need to buy a 1 kHz filter to get 1 kHz IF
> bandwidth, because the DSP already provides that. This is not your
> grandfather's radio! :)
>
> 73, Jim K9YC

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Re: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors

[Don Wilhelm]

Erik,

I think that all depends on the charger used and its characteristics. 
Chargers have a higher voltage than the cell(s) being charged.  Elecraft 
gear is spec'ed for up to 15 volts, but make certain no part of the 
charging cycle will exceed that voltage - the charger manufacturer 
should have that spec.


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 10:03 AM, Erik Tkal wrote:

I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger affects 
the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant Current charge 
and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage 
that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio tries to 
draw too much?

   Thanks and 73,
   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED



On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen  wrote:

I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:

*LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *

On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
purposes.


The entire FAQ is found here:

https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c

73,

Kev K4VD
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Re: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter

[Jim Brown]

On 7/26/2017 9:09 AM, Bill Breeden wrote:
I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded 
conditions before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found 
the improvement well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may 
vary. 


While this is certainly a matter of operating preferences, my preference 
is not to bother with callers more than a few hundred Hz off frequency 
for at least three reasons. First, I've tried to protect my CQ frequency 
by keeping it active. If I work someone widely displaced, my frequency 
is unprotected while they're transmitting. Second, if they're that far 
off frequency, they're likely to be getting QRMed by a station on their 
frequency, which makes them hard to copy. Third, if they're that far off 
frequency, they're more likely to be lids, and thus more likely to take 
forever to finish a QSO.


For the same reasons, I won't respond to someone signing /QRP. Not 
because I don't want to take the time to work a weak station, but 
because that station signing /QRP is likely to be a lid. Indeed, by 
sending /QRP he/she is wasting time doing so by sending un-necessary 
information. I work a LOT of QRP, especially during DX contests, with 
more than 160 countries confirmed, but I've never signed /QRP.


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] 1Khz Filter..still looking

[Ralph Matheny K8RYU]

Still looking for a 1Khz filter.  As others have said, the 
filter keeps adjacent signals out of the K3 AGC and is
well worth the investment.

I have a K3 and a K3Sthe K3s has my 1 Khz filter and
the K3 does not.  On Field Day when I used the K3 I really
missed the 1 Khz filter.

I usually set up about 800hz BW in the DSP and use the 
1 Khz filter to limit the crud DSP has to deal with.

Interesting to note...received several emails saying they 
have the filter, don't need it, yet none to sell it.Hm.


de K8RYU

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Re: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors

[Kevin der Kinderen]

Hi Erik:

I don't know the answer. I suspect you cannot charge and discharge at the
same time. Bioenno's support has been pretty responsive so you might find
an answer there.

I believe Bioe is working on a product similar to the West Mountain PWRGate
but specifically for LiFe batteries. Then combining charge and discharge
makes more sense. I've run the PWRGate here with a marine battery for a
while. I could see tucking away a similar product for the LiFe batteries
into a go box.

The chargers I have I bought with the batteries. I leave them plugged in
and charging all the time ready for hitting the road.

Kev


On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 10:03 AM, Erik Tkal  wrote:

> I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the charger
> affects the charger operation?  Does the charger perform the Constant
> Current charge and switch over to the trickle for LiFePo charging, or does
> the PCM manage that?  Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if
> the radio tries to draw too much?
>
>   Thanks and 73,
>   Erik Tkal  -  W1QED
>
>
>
> On Jul 23, 2017, at 20:19, Kevin der Kinderen  wrote:
>
> I asked Bioenno about the  use of the connectors and pointed out their site
> shows the barrel is for charging and the Powerpoles are for discharging. I
> was told this is not correct and that they will fix the information on
> their site. They have a process to go through with their product people so
> it won't happen quickly. However, they did update their FAQ section:
>
> *LFP:  Why is there a separate DC barrel plug connector and PowerPole
> Connector on my battery?  Can I charge through either connector? *
>
> On our PVC Pack LiFePO4 batteries, there are two separate connectors.  The
> first connector has a DC barrel plug and the second connector has an
> Anderson Powerpole connector.  The two connectors are indeed wired in
> parallel on the PCM (protection circuit module) that is integrated in every
> single battery pack.  So it is perfectly okay and fine to charge through
> the PowerPole connectors. Many customers requested two separate connectors
> in the batteries, in order to keep the battery's charger attached to the
> battery, such that the battery and charger can be stored in a portable
> Go-Box.  At the same time, customers can leave the PowerPole connector
> attached to the radio communications equipment, without having to
> repeatedly disconnect the charger from the battery, and attach the radio
> communications equipment.  However, we understand customers want to charge
> through the Powerpole connectors and use various other third party
> products.  We provided the two sets of connectors, simply for convenience
> purposes.
>
>
> The entire FAQ is found here:
>
> https://bioennopower.com/pages/faq-lifepo4-batteries#c
>
> 73,
>
> Kev K4VD
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Re: [Elecraft] 1 Khz filter

[Bill Breeden]

Jim,

I think most K3 owners understand that.  Those who call CQ during 
crowded band conditions also understand that their ears will take less 
of a beating when using a 1 kHz DSP bandwidth in conjunction with a 1 
kHz roofing filter instead of the next wider roofing filter, which, in a 
K3 is often a 2.7 or 2.8 kHz filter.  That's the wonderful thing about a 
K3, the owner can equip it according to his or her personal preference.  
My ears have taking enough beatings over the years from stations outside 
of the filter bandwidth pumping the AGC while using lesser receivers to 
know that I prefer a tight roofing filter bandwidth so that the stations 
outside of my DSP bandwidth have minimal effect on what I am hearing.   
I have used my "Field Day" K3 to call CQ during crowd banded conditions 
before and after I added the 1 kHz filter and have found the improvement 
well worth the price of the filter.  Your mileage may vary.


73,

Bill - NA5DX

On 7/25/2017 10:08 PM, Jim Brown wrote:

On 7/25/2017 7:11 PM, Bill Breeden wrote:
I found that I was missing stations that were calling on the skirts 
of my 400 Hz filter, so I added a 1 kHz filter.  When I tune the band 
to answer CQs I still prefer listen through the 400 Hz filter. 


It's important to remember that IF bandwidth is determined by DSP, and 
continuously adjustable. The plug-in filters are ROOFING filters -- 
their primary function is to protect the DSP from overload by very 
strong stations outside the bandwidth of the DSP IF. They have the 
secondary function of adding the filtering provided by the DSP, and 
when the DSP and the roofing filter are at the same bandwidth, the 
filter skirts become steeper (sharper).


Bottom line -- we don't need to buy a 1 kHz filter to get 1 kHz IF 
bandwidth, because the DSP already provides that. This is not your 
grandfather's radio! :)


73, Jim K9YC

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[Elecraft] OT - Signing "/QRP"

[Ken G Kopp]

Guys ... I simply forgot to add the "OT" prefix to my message.  I apologise.

Some of the responses indeed show there are chains waiting to be yanked.
(;-))

Now, let's all let the matter die ...

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Concerning Bioenno LiFePO4 Connectors

[Bill Frantz]

I have some computer uses for charge and use at the same time. 
To keep it on topic, if the Elecraft radios had enough battery 
power to cleanly shutdown, then we wouldn't lose frequencies 
etc. when the power failed. It wouldn't take much battery either.


73 Bill AE6JV

On 7/26/17 at 7:03 AM, etks...@gmail.com (Erik Tkal) wrote:

I wonder how operating a rig with the battery connected to the 
charger affects the charger operation?  Does the charger 
perform the Constant Current charge and switch over to the 
trickle for LiFePo charging, or does the PCM manage that?  
Would there be any adverse effects to the charger if the radio 
tries to draw too much?

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Re: [Elecraft] OT - Signing "/QRP"

[Wayne Burdick]

Hi Ken,

If and when I yank your chain, I’ll be using very little force. Something in 
the milli-Newtons. If you feel it, let me know ;)

Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 1:06 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
> 
> Guys ... I simply forgot to add the "OT" prefix to my message.  I apologise.
> 
> Some of the responses indeed show there are chains waiting to be yanked.
> (;-))
> 
> Now, let's all let the matter die ...
> 
> 73
> 
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[Elecraft] K3S & P3 for Sale

[Bill Parris]

K3S & P3 factory assembled for sale.  Serial Nr 10244, purchased 8/26/15 at
a cost of $6,069.  ATU & 100w upgrade.  Includes second receiver, hand mic,
general coverage RX module, Digital voice recorder, 2.7 kHz 5 pole filter,
2.1 kHz, 8 pole roofing filter, 250, 400 & 6 kHz 8 pole filters.  Like new
condition.  Includes Fred Cady's new K3s book   Total package $4,300 plus
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Re: [Elecraft] K3 SHUTTING DOWN OPERATING JT65 (Nr4c)

[buddy s]

de w3bs ...

my problem was the "power pole connectors".  made a new cable with 45amp
connectors, and i am fine.  also, ordered the factory made cable, for good
measure.

73
buddy
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Tommy]

  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP 
want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't 
sense that at all.


It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It 
doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my 
call on air.


73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:


Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Mike Flowers]

Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ...

It's a hobby ...

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Bill Johnson]

Mike,
Just as we all should.  Regulations are such.  Who really cares the power; it's 
the contact.  I love <100 mw when it works.  I usually don't bother with the 
suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is 
solid.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

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...the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg


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[Elecraft] No Antenna Mobile

[Richard Hayman19]

Take your K3/0 or K3-mini with Remote Rig on the road with a commercial 
cellular modem. 4G-LTE Model 6300-CX is all you need.

I bought 3 hoping to get one working one and they all three work as new. They 
were setup for Sprint when I got them.  I changed them over to my carrier, 
Verizon.

These sell for $500 new. Asking $150 each shipped.

Email or call for more info.

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Walter Underwood]

I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU 
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. 
Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my 
Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much 
of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied 
from section II.9.16 of that document.


• Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries 
(e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot 
be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are 
/P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

•  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively 
weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash 
and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to 
decipher your callsign!

•  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, 
e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’.

•  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your 
CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little 
extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT 
DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’.

•  If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ 
QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’. 


wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy  wrote:
> 
>  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be 
> treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.
> 
> It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't 
> bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Tom - KB2SMS
> 
> KX2 #01927
> 
> 
> On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Dave Cole]

But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed?

73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU 
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. 
Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my 
Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much 
of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied 
from section II.9.16 of that document.


• Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries 
(e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot 
be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are 
/P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

•  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively 
weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash 
and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to 
decipher your callsign!

•  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, 
e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’.

•  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your 
CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little 
extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT 
DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’.

•  If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ 
QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’.


wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
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On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy  wrote:

  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be 
treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.

It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't 
bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:


Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Charlie T, K3ICH]

Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
running.

There's so much more to talk about instead of the radio and Wx.

73, Charlie k3ICH


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ron Polityka
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: 'Elecraft' 
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 2:33 PM
To: Elecraft 
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Don Wilhelm]

I recall my first contact after getting my KX3.  It was on SSB.  I did 
not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other 
operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."


So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what 
counts.


It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the 
QSO.  There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so 
in general, I would discourage doing so.


OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means 
use it.


For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and 
operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with 
the receiving operator's 'rhythm".


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
running.

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Re: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage

[EUGENE GABRY]

Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. 
During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps 
from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a 
different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal 
in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. 
Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. 
Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
Interesting...

Gene
N9TF
  
> On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft 
>  wrote:

> Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been 
> observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a 
> digital power meter.
> 
> 73,
> Dan
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Re: [Elecraft] TX Test Mode garbage

[Wes Stewart]

Thanks for confirming, Gene.  Dan's message did not come through on my service.  
But it's not the clicking that develops the power.  Key down does it.


Wes  N7WS

ps. Olaf, if you are reading, your direct email bounces.  Perhaps that is why 
the Elecraft reflector rejects your posts.



On 7/26/2017 8:00 PM, EUGENE GABRY wrote:

Out of curiosity I just checked this with my K3S and found the same oddity. 
During CW key down into a dummy load in TX Test mode the K3S draws 2.5 amps 
from the 1 amp in RX, and the hash signal heard in another receiver into a 
different dummy load appears to be 2.7Khz wide. Starts out as full scale signal 
in the receiver and drops quickly to S5 but never goes away during key down. 
Cant detect any power indication on the dummy load power meter during key down. 
Maybe a pre driver stage getting bias in TEST MODE?
Interesting...

Gene
N9TF
   

On July 26, 2017 at 9:03 AM Dan Atchison via Elecraft 
 wrote:
Yes, the K3s does put out power during this clicking and it has been
observed by operators who live close by.  Power and SWR are noted on a
digital power meter.

73,
Dan


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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

Yep, and that is what I do too. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Drew AF2Z
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 7:31 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank my
output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to make
the contact.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



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> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.
> 
> 73
> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

ThenWHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 

73 Ron AC7AC

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
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To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Clay Autery]

Because his link to the video clip from Stripes was funny and
appropriate

S.

"Lighten up, Francis."

73,

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On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Then  WHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 
>
> 73 Ron AC7AC
>
> -Original Message-
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> [mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Clay Autery
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 6:21 PM
> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> Bwah!  My favorite!
>
> Can we please let this thread die?
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[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[John AE5X]

I always answer such stations because there is a greater chance that they'll 
have an interesting rig. Maybe built from a kit, maybe nothing more than a few 
components stuffed onto a board "Manhattan" style. Or they may be operating 
from a tent or mountaintop.

I've responded to these stations and have been one myself a time or two. And 
hopefully will again, repeatedly.

John AE5X
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Nr4c]

Like signing emails with list of clubs they belong to, awards and all the 
Elecraft equipment with serial numbers. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Clay Autery]

Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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On 7/26/2017 7:49 PM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>>
>> 73
>>
>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Nr4c]

It's not your job to verify there power setting. If he signs /QRP while running 
he's 1.5 KW amp, that's between him and his conscience. 

If you don't record the /QRP you don't have his call correct. 

When's the last time you asked for a copy of abcontacts license before sending 
a QSL card?



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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil  wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs 
> stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I 
> couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they 
> could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it 
> likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
> 
>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Nr4c]

BTW how do we know you're in Africa. 

Yes, you tweaked a button!

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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil  wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs 
> stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I 
> couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they 
> could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it 
> likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
> 
>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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[Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[John AE5X]

>I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>
>73
>
>K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Drew AF2Z]

Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank 
my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll 
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to 
make the contact.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

[Ron D'Eau Claire]

I agree 100% with Wayne about "...built my own radio..." 

Along the same lines, I answer any signal that sounds less than "perfect". It's 
more than likely it's a HB rig which leads to a very interesting QSO. 

Now, I will admit to having had a QSO when I said my power was less than 5 
watts and the other station same back saying "SRI OM. YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO 
COPY". 

If I'm feeling "onry" I have replied "SRI. NOW AT 500 WATTS. HW IS COPY?" and 
the other station replies "FB. SOLID COPY NOW" 

But.. I'll admit, I'm still at 5 watts. 

Like most things, perception an preconceived opinions are EVERYTHING!

73 Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-
From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nicklas Johnson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is 
weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that 
you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if 
they’re local :) 

For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes 
QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, 
like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 
8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that 
*both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

“/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon 
footprint!” (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and 
opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or 
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see 
> how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason 
> that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional 
> state of a stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid 
> indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would 
> I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
> critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM  wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in 
>> the log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email 
>> them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp  wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- 
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
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