Re: CS>Black Salve - SHELF LIFE

[Rowena]

Do you know what its shelf life is?
Tel told me many years ago that it didn't have a shelf life and that if 
it dried out it just needed to be rehydrated


Tel knew what he was talking about. I am still using the remnants of 
Cansema (made in Queensland) bought back in 2005.


I first learned about it on the Silverlist, so now I am paying back.
When my husband was diagnosed with squamous cell carcinoma I knew 
exactly what to do, no panic, no fear. Confidence in fact.  I had done 
my research.


I have shared the salve with a friend, and it works for her too. My 
latest idea, bad or otherwise, was to mix the pathetic little crumbs 
left in the jar with some Dr Christopher's black ointment because it was 
so dry and crumbly it was hard to apply. It still works, but with Dr C's 
mix it is nice and smooth and stays on.


DH put some on his back by himself, thinking more is better, the first 
time of treatment.  I was only going to apply it once, and leave it to 
work, but he wanted done with this thing and applied a lot.  The mix 
caked, and while driving to work it dislodged the eschar. It still came 
out, but I suspect it left something inside, and it has recurred every 
year but smaller and quicker to fix each time.


I have tried various ointments during the healing process as well as 
coconut oil.  The one I am sticking with now is Paw Paw Ointment, which 
I get in a  non-petroleum gel form, just vegetable. (Australian). I have 
never known it heal so nicely and cleanly and unmessily. I plan to 
continue using it until something better lands in my lap.


My other story is of going to the city to see an 'expert' in skin 
cancers. My friend Julie had used some of my Cansema on her finger, and 
the cancer she put it on came out nicely. This expert was amazed at the 
way it worked for her. So I was confident to attend this expert with my 
husband who had been re-treating the SCC for eight years by then, and 
get him to look at a mole on my back too. He offered to cut a nice wedge 
out of DH's back, and told me my mole was no problem. I didn't believe 
him, and when I got home I applied Cansema, and took out a nice typical 
eschar in due course, since when my mole site is not brown any more. (A 
lifelong mole). The expert pooh poohed internet cancer cures - he'd 
obviously done his research and found out what awaited him if he did not 
roundly condemn and vilify this 'internet' sensation.


Another book to research is "Cancer - its Cause and Cure" by Percy 
Weston. He lived to over 100 years, and his book is worth reading on a 
number of counts. Google the source.


Greetings to all old friends.

Rowena Down Unda

PS in response to other comments, I was glad to hear an expert say to 
apply only once. This has been my rule, but my patient questions it 
regularly, and my expert friend, the so called "Kate" that I have 
written about, puts a little on every day, working her way round the 
site. But indeed she is using an Australian mix. She has used it on 
face, breast, chest, and accidentally belly, which opened up and 
disgorged two organ-shaped Things which she stored in the freezer and 
which I have seen. Also on a site which proved on enquiry to be the 
lymphatic node site connected with the organ most recently treated. She 
had one on her face; when the eschar came out it 'unplugged' and artery 
which she had to have stitched, and found hard to explain. She had one 
on her spine which she had to go to visit her sister overseas to get 
help with dressing, it took so long she was getting worried. When it 
came away she realised the root had been wound round and round her 
spine, and that was why it took so long. She no longer uses BS on her 
face because of the scarring, she uses petty spurge, which she calls 
chickweed but which I have confirmed with her is petty spurge by 
identifying the plant from my garden. We call it radium weed here in Oz. 
It's pretty horrible to use, oozes horribly, apparently smells, but 
works and heals without scarring.





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Re: CS>Black Salve

[phoenix23...@tds.net]

Smitty... I so appreciate the link and the information about Tel tho I was 
dreading
that something like this had happened to him.  Very sad  he was always so 
kindto me.Lola
- Original Message -
From: Smitty 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 22:13:52 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve

Tel died last year at 75.
http://tinyurl.com/mtpkpmx

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 3:37 PM, phoenix23...@tds.net 
wrote:
Thanks for the facebook page for Tel.  I agree... it seems no current posts nor 
any postssince 2012.  Gosh... I am terrible about time passing but I guess it 
could have been thatlong since I talked to Tel or purchased anything from him.  
Just hope he is okay. I was sure up the creek when I couldn't raise Tel and had 
no where to turn to purchaseCS.  Jerry Durand was kind enough to come to my 
rescue.  He too makes an excellentproduct... also a CS gel that is very handy.  
I keep promising myself that I am going topurchase a Silver Puppy and make my 
own 'brew' but here I am... still buying.  lol Folks like Jerry and Tel just 
make it too convenient to buy instead of making our own CS.Lola
- Original Message -
From: Smitty 
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 21:10:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve

Tel's Facebook...may not be up to date...
https://www.facebook.com/search/top/?q=Tel+Tofflemire=public

On Thu, Mar 30, 2017 at 2:36 PM, phoenix23...@tds.net 
wrote:
Thank you, Brickeyk  Tel it was.  I sure am sorry that he has moved and 
'closed up shop'.  He
had some excellent products and often contributed/shared information on CS with 
the group.Lola
- Original Message -
From: brick...@aol.com
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Thu, 30 Mar 2017 19:33:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve


Tel Tofelmire. I used his black salve on a crusty growth on top of my ear. 
Covered it with 1/2 a band aid for 1 day. 1/2 was loose and would not stick 
to my ear. My wife grabbed the loose band aid end and the crusty growth 
with  long roots came out. Tel divorced his wife and moved from Verde 
river, Arizona and I lost contac with him. He used a Indian recipe 
to make his salve.Brickey In a message dated 3/30/2017 3:33:53 P.M. Pacific 
Daylight Time, 
phoenix23...@tds.net writes:purchased iodine and CS from him and they were both 
excellent 
 quality.  Mymemory isn't what it used to be...lol.. can't remember his name 
 now.  Tol??  was that 
it

Re: CS>Black Salve

[PT Ferrance]

Thanks, again, Jason.PT



  From: Jason Eaton 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Thursday, March 30, 2017 10:47 PM
 Subject: Re: CS>Black Salve
   
Hi PT:

I don't know the exact shelf life, but I've used a 2 year old jar.  I 
always keep it refrigerated, which helps extend the shelf life.

Kind Regards,

Jason


On 3/30/2017 7:35 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
> Thanks.  Do you know what its shelf life is?
> Tel told me many years ago that it didn't have a shelf life and that 
> if it dried out it just needed to be rehydrated but that doesn't make 
> sense to me as it would seem to me the herbs would weaken over time.
> PT
>
>
> 
> *From:* Jason Eaton 
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 9:41 PM
> *Subject:* Re: CS>Black Salve
>
> Hi PT:
>
> I use Cansema (renamed as Amazon Black Topical Salve) from Alpha Omega
> Labs.  US and Canada:
>
> https://www.herbhealers.com/salves-and-tonics
>
> Chances are, you don't need the deep tissue version (has ingredients
> added like DMSO) unless you have a really troubling skin cancer issue.
>
> Kind Regards,
>
> Jason
>
>
> On 3/30/2017 6:11 PM, PT Ferrance wrote:
> > Hi Jason,
> > Where does one purchase a reputable black salve these days?
> > Thanks. PT
> >
> >
> > 
> > *From:* Jason Eaton  >
> > *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com 
> > *Sent:* Thursday, March 30, 2017 6:19 PM
> > *Subject:* Re: CS>Black Salve
> >
> > Hi Phil:
> >
> > ...like most things @ Natural News, this article should have been
> > written MUCH better.  It is misleading.
> >
> > While Greg has blood root in his black salve, the "secret" that makes it
> > better than traditional formulations is the addition of zinc chloride.
> >
> > Like mentioned by another on the list, you have to use a traditional
> > salve much differently than something like Cansema.
> >
> > Here is an interesting "splash" photo journal of black salve, clay and
> > silver:
> >
> > http://www.eytonsearth.org/skin-cancer-salve.php
> >
> > ...this is a relative of mine, and the individual used it completely
> > "wrong" and still got great results. :)
> >
> > ~Jason
> >
> > On 3/30/2017 3:09 PM, Phil Morrison wrote:
> > >
> > > Fascinating report on Black Salve.
> > >
> > > And Greg Caton.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > 
> http://www.naturalnews.com/039803_Indian_black_salve_cancer_cure_herb.html
> >
> >
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Re: CS>Black Salve

[Teri Kavakos]

So sorry to hear.  So Tel and Jane MacRoss both died last year. Both 
will be missed.


Teri


On 3/30/2017 10:13 PM, Smitty wrote:

Tel died last year at 75.

*http://tinyurl.com/mtpkpmx*

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[PT Ferrance]

I vote silverpuppy!  I love mine.PT


  From: Top Dog 
 To: silver-list@eskimo.com 
 Sent: Friday, March 31, 2017 6:52 PM
 Subject: CS>Final choices of units?
   
Hi all,
Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting some 
not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as much 
as possible using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those units. 
Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the case.
Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
-Bob

   

Re: CS>Black Salve

[Dan Nave]

Thanks for all the Black Salve information everyone!

Dan

On Wed, Mar 29, 2017 at 11:49 PM, Dan Nave  wrote:

> Does anyone have recommendations for where to purchase Black Salve?
> What are the qualities of the Black Salve you recommend that make it
> different than any other one, if you know?
>
> Thanks,  Dan
>

CS>Tel Tofflemire

[Dan Nave]

In case you didn't see it on the Black Salve thread.

Tel died last year on Mar 3rd.  His QuailwoodHerbal
website is no longer operating.

CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Hi all,

Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.

At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
much as possible
using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
units.

Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is
that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like
a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the
case.

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Patricia Cassidy]

Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia


On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:

Hi all,

Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so 
this weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver 
Puppy and the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. 
Some conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing 
agents to get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info 
interesting.


At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget 
as much as possible

using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
units.


Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the 
consensus is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being 
made and looks like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A 
plus if that really is the case.


Thanks for everyone's opinion.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Katie Serroels]

I would like to unsubscribe

Thank you

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 31, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Patricia Cassidy  wrote:
> 
> Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia
> 
>> On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
>> SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting 
>> some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal 
>> silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
>> 
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as 
>> much as possible 
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
>> 
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
>> units. 
>> 
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
>> that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
>> stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the 
>> case.
>> 
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
>> 
>> -Bob
> 

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Neville]

G'day Bob,


Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, but 
anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around whilst 
brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.


Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?


N.



From: Top Dog 
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>Final choices of units?

Hi all,

Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting some 
not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal silver 
versus ion silver and found that info interesting.

At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as much 
as possible
using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.

Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those units.

Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the case.

Thanks for everyone's opinion.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one
less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not
planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
the site in a few mins.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:

> G'day Bob,
>
>
> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>
>
> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>
>
> N.
>
>
> --
> *From:* Top Dog 
> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>
> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
> much as possible
> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>
> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
> units.
>
> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
> the case.
>
> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>
> -Bob
>

CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

from: - 
https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html


Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk

7:05 March 31, 2017

In summary:

   .. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety

   .. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability

Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the broad-spectrum 
antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by the widespread 
and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and consumer goods.

As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, 
silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including 
toothbrushes and toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and 
household appliances, because of their antibacterial potency and the incorrect 
assumption that ordinary items should be kept "clean" of microbes.

Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead 
researcher on the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the 
commercialisation of nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that resistance 
to nanosilver will develop and spread through microorganisms in the human body 
and the environment.

Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in collaboration 
with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 commercially 
available medical devices, including wound dressings and tracheal and urinary 
catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted as immunity boosters and 
consumed by throat or nasal spray.

Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive silver 
in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
resistance to develop.

The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability 
to destroy pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has 
seen it widely employed, in treating burns or purifying water, for example. 
More recently, ultra-small (less than 10,000th of a millimetre) silver 
nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial purposes.  Their 
commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than "bulk" 
silver.

"Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being 
jeopardised by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr Gunawan 
said.

"Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be 
careful, use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.

"People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more 
importantly they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has been 
shown to cause antimicrobial resistance."

What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
monitor for any occurrence of resistance.

Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to addressing 
the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.

"This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the 
environment by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, 
particularly in ordinary household and consumer items," she said.

The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential for 
Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.

( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )

UTS


(c) 2016 HEALTHCANAL - Medical News. All Rights Reserved.

https://www.healthcanal.com/


..


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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Da Darrin]

Try again and
Leave out  the "I would like to" and the "thank you" and it might work.
Dave

On Fri, Mar 31, 2017 at 5:30 PM, Katie Serroels  wrote:

> I would like to unsubscribe
>
> Thank you
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Mar 31, 2017, at 4:29 PM, Patricia Cassidy  wrote:
>
> Love my Silver Puppy.  Set and forget.   Tricia
>
> On 3/31/2017 5:51 PM, Top Dog wrote:
>
> Hi all,
>
> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>
> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
> much as possible
> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>
> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
> units.
>
> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
> the case.
>
> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>
> -Bob
>
>
>

Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Bill Kingsbury]

 
The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf

bk


--- At 06:06 PM 31, 2017-03-31, bk wrote:
>
>from: - 
>https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html
>
>Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk
>[...]
>
>The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential 
>for Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.
>
>( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )
>
>
> 


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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Neville]

My apologies Bob, I made my own generator so I don't have that SWAP thing.


As you were .


N.



From: Top Dog 
Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 12:14 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Final choices of units?

Here is the txt from the Silver Puppy site:  Ode [ AKA Ken]



Stirrers aren't  necessary due to the S.W.A.P output of the Silverpuppy 
generators preventing conductive ion tracks forming between the electrodes when 
using the more common DC Current  output used by most generators out there. 
[Including the ~18 year old Series 1 "Pups" with only one or no switches on top 
]

Do you NEED one?  No.  [I've been running  quart sized batches all year without 
a stirrer and, quite frankly, I can't tell the difference.]


So long as most of the water is near the electrodes, natural convection, 
Bronian Motion, polarity related ion travel direction change, ion velocity and 
mass will move water molecules around sufficiently and the S.W.A.P. polarity 
switching function will prevent conductive pathways from forming in the water 
between the electrodes. [No need to disrupt something that no longer happens]
If using the old DC output generators, [regardless of who makes it ] a stirrer 
is a HUGE boon for consistant results.

On Mar 31, 2017 8:59 PM, "Top Dog" > 
wrote:
Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one 
less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not 
planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for making 
sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on the site in 
a few mins.

-Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

Something like this
https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-Warmer-Office-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8

On 03/31/2017 07:30 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:

How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?



--
Jerry Durand, Durand Interstellar, Inc.
www.interstellar.com
tel: +1 408 356-3886
@DurandInterstel


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Re: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Jason Eaton]

...I would like to see more details about the referenced study on silver 
resistant bacteria.


The only study that I'm aware of was a study done on silver resistant 
microbes in silver-rich soil.  The researchers found that once the 
bacteria were removed from the silver-rich environment, the resistance 
quickly reversed (within a few generations).  If I remember correctly, 
the reason was: Resistance to silver came at a very high metabolic price 
for the bacteria.


~Jason


On 3/31/2017 6:06 PM, Bill Kingsbury wrote:

from: - 
https://www.healthcanal.com/infections/236554-rampant-use-antibacterial-nanosilver-resistance-risk.html


Rampant use of antibacterial nanosilver is a resistance risk

7:05 March 31, 2017

In summary:

.. Silver nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in medical and consumer 
items because of their antibacterial potency in small concentrations and, 
partly, incorrect perceptions about their safety

.. A more judicious approach and targeted surveillance are urgently needed 
to preserve nanosilver's antimicrobial reliability

Researchers at the University of Technology Sydney warn that the broad-spectrum 
antimicrobial effectiveness of silver is being put at risk by the widespread 
and inappropriate expansion of nanosilver use in medical and consumer goods.

As well as their use in medical items such as wound dressings and catheters, silver 
nanoparticles are becoming ubiquitous in everyday items, including toothbrushes and 
toothpaste, baby bottles and teats, bedding, clothing and household appliances, because 
of their antibacterial potency and the incorrect assumption that ordinary items should be 
kept "clean" of microbes.

Nanobiologist Dr Cindy Gunawan, from the ithree institute at UTS and lead researcher on 
the investigation, said alarm bells should be ringing at the commercialisation of 
nanosilver use because of a "real threat" that resistance to nanosilver will 
develop and spread through microorganisms in the human body and the environment.

Dr Gunawan and ithree institute director Professor Liz Harry, in collaboration 
with researchers at UNSW and abroad, investigated more than 140 commercially 
available medical devices, including wound dressings and tracheal and urinary 
catheters, and dietary supplements, which are promoted as immunity boosters and 
consumed by throat or nasal spray.

Their perspective article in the journal ACS Nano concluded that the use of 
nanosilver in these items could lead to prolonged exposure to bioactive silver 
in the human body. Such exposure creates the conditions for microbial 
resistance to develop.

The use of silver as an antimicrobial agent dates back centuries. Its ability to destroy 
pathogens while seemingly having low toxicity on human cells has seen it widely employed, 
in treating burns or purifying water, for example. More recently, ultra-small (less than 
10,000th of a millimetre) silver nanoparticles have been engineered for antimicrobial 
purposes.  Their commercial appeal lies in superior potency at lower concentrations than 
"bulk" silver.

"Nanosilver is a proven antimicrobial agent whose reliability is being jeopardised 
by the commercialisation of people's fear of bacteria," Dr Gunawan said.

"Our use of it needs to be far more judicious, in the same way we need to 
approach antibiotic usage. Nanosilver is a useful tool but we need to be careful, 
use it wisely and only when the benefit outweighs the risk.

"People need to be made aware of just how widely it is used, but more importantly 
they need to be made aware that the presence of nanosilver has been shown to cause 
antimicrobial resistance."

What is also needed, Dr Gunawan said, is a targeted surveillance strategy to 
monitor for any occurrence of resistance.

Professor Harry said the findings were a significant contribution to addressing 
the global antimicrobial resistance crisis.

"This research emphasises the threat posed to our health and that of the environment 
by the inappropriate use of nanosilver as an antibacterial, particularly in ordinary 
household and consumer items," she said.

The article Widespread and Indiscriminate Nanosilver Use: Genuine Potential for 
Microbial Resistance is published in the journal ACS Nano.

( http://pubs.acs.org/doi/abs/10.1021/acsnano.7b01166 )

UTS


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Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Here is the txt from the Silver Puppy site:  *Ode* [ AKA Ken]



Stirrers aren't  necessary due to the S.W.A.P output of the Silverpuppy
generators preventing conductive ion tracks forming between the electrodes
when using the more common DC Current  output used by most generators out
there. [Including the ~18 year old Series 1 "Pups" with only one or no
switches on top ]
Do you *NEED* one?  No.  [I've been running  quart sized batches all year
without a stirrer and, quite frankly, I can't tell the difference.]  So
long as most of the water is near the electrodes, natural convection,
Bronian Motion, polarity related ion travel direction change, ion velocity
and mass will move water molecules around sufficiently and the *S.W.A.P.
polarity switching function* will prevent conductive pathways from forming
in the water between the electrodes. [No need to disrupt something that no
longer happens]*If *using the old DC output generators, [regardless of who
makes it ] a stirrer is a HUGE boon for consistant results.

On Mar 31, 2017 8:59 PM, "Top Dog"  wrote:

> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
> the site in a few mins.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>
>> G'day Bob,
>>
>>
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>
>>
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Top Dog 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
>> much as possible
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>> units.
>>
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>> the case.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Victor Cozzetto]

I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items are 
sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some 
temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to 
produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've probably 
setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.

Victor


> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
> 
> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just one 
> less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm not 
> planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for 
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on 
> the site in a few mins.
> 
> -Bob
> 
>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>> G'day Bob,
>> 
>> 
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK, 
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around 
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>> 
>> 
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>> 
>> 
>> N.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> From: Top Dog 
>> Sent: Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> To: silver-list@eskimo.com
>> Subject: CS>Final choices of units?
>>  
>> Hi all,
>> 
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this 
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and the 
>> SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some conflicting 
>> some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to get colloidal 
>> silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting. 
>> 
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as 
>> much as possible 
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20. 
>> 
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those 
>> units. 
>> 
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus is 
>> that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks like a 
>> stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is the 
>> case.
>> 
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion. 
>> 
>> -Bob

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

If your jar is bigger than will fit, check other brands or find a metal 
disk to set on the hot plate and set the jar on the disk. Watch for 
tip-over.


On 03/31/2017 07:37 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Wow, that looks perfect!
I see many similar products too.
I wish I thought of that myself sooner! :D

Victor




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RE: CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Nenah Sylver]

BK wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:

https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf 

 

==

Thanks for the link. Here is a short quote from the article:

 

===beginning of quoted portion===

Microorganisms Can Develop Resistance to Nano-silver. Before the dramatic
increase in application of silver nanoparticles as an antimicrobial, ionic
silver has had a long history of use as a disinfectant. Many reports
frequently use the term " silver" when referring to silver ions. Decades-old
discoveries provide evidence on the potential of microorganisms to develop
resistance to chemical species of silver that are cytotoxic, so that the
microorganisms continue to grow even in the presence of silver. One of the
earliest reports of antimicrobial resistance to silver ions was by Jelenko
et al. in 1969. The study isolated resistant Escherichia coli from a
clinical case of prolonged silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected at day 47,
following treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate at day 1 and day 36 postburn). 

   This finding was followed by the discovery of a silver-resistant
Salmonella typhimurium strain in the 1970s, also isolated from clinical
cases of silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected as early as day 8, following
treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate). 

   The isolated strain was later characterized as having nine resistance
determinants, known as the sil genes. Examples of bacteria adapting to
conditions of long exposure to silver are also found outside the clinic, in
specific environmental settings " where toxicity might select for
resistance" a quote from A. Gupta and S. Silver, 1998), including the soil
of a silver mine and photographic laboratory effluent.

 

===end of quoted portion===

 

Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim every
page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading, it seems
that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND Silver
Nitrate-which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated silver!!!

 

Of course medical science won't discuss EIS because we can make it
ourselves, and there's no profit in that. It really pays to read carefully,
and read between the lines.

 

Nenah

 

Nenah Sylver, PhD

author, The Rife Handbook

of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health

healing from cancer and other diseases 

with non-invasive, effective technology

suppressed by the medical cartel until recently

www.nenahsylver.com   

  

 

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Jerry Durand]

How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?

On 03/31/2017 07:24 PM, Victor Cozzetto wrote:

Hi Bob,

Wow, you are right! I didn't realize that he stopped selling that.
I'll have to update my own websites lol

I have actually made a few of my own. It is just a 15w bulb in a box. 
But he had a nice looking round stand, so it was worth it. It is easy 
to build, if you are so inclined, but perhaps you can find something 
similar on Amazon or something. I'll probably search for a suitable 
replacement myself, as I will certainly continue to recommend this setup.


Victor



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Fwd: CS>"Rampant Use of Nanosilver ...

[Phil Morrison]

-- Forwarded message --
From: Phil Morrison 
Date: Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 12:43 AM
Subject: CS>"Rampant Use of Nanosilver ...
To: Phil Morrison 



The article is strong on hearsay, weak on evidence, and not a little fear
mongering

Smaller particles of silver kill pathogens best.   The more the silver is
broken down in to nanoparticles, the less silver needed total.

Nanoparticles are good.

In "Use of Colloids in Health and Disease", author Dr. Henry Crooks says
colloidal silver is highly anti-viral. In laboratory tests he found that
"all fungus, virii, bacterium, streptococcus, staphylococcus, and other
pathogenic organisms are killed in three or four minutes. In fact, there is
no microbe known that is not killed by colloidal silver in six minutes or
less in a dilution as little as five parts per million." Dr. Crooks tells
us there are no serious side effects whatsoever from high concentrations.
Research scientist Dr. Gary Smith reports that he has noticed a correlation
between low silver levels, sickness and immune deficiency. He found people
who have low silver levels tend to be frequently sick and to have
innumerable colds, flu's, fevers, and other illnesses. The research of Dr.
Gary Smith would seem to support the belief that colloidal silver is an
entirely natural healing agent.

http://www.curezone.org/foods/silver.asp

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Top Dog]

Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
anymore on the site.

-Bob

On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
wrote:

> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items
> are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some
> temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to
> produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>
> Victor
>
>
> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>
> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
> the site in a few mins.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>
>> G'day Bob,
>>
>>
>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be OK,
>> but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving around
>> whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>
>>
>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>
>>
>> N.
>>
>>
>> --
>> *From:* Top Dog 
>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>
>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget as
>> much as possible
>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>
>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>> units.
>>
>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>> the case.
>>
>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Victor Cozzetto]

Hi Bob,

Wow, you are right! I didn't realize that he stopped selling that.
I'll have to update my own websites lol

I have actually made a few of my own. It is just a 15w bulb in a box. But
he had a nice looking round stand, so it was worth it. It is easy to build,
if you are so inclined, but perhaps you can find something similar on
Amazon or something. I'll probably search for a suitable replacement
myself, as I will certainly continue to recommend this setup.

Victor


On Sat, Apr 1, 2017 at 10:30 AM, Top Dog  wrote:

> Unless I missed it someplace it doesn't appear to be an item for sale
> anymore on the site.
>
> -Bob
>
> On Mar 31, 2017 9:15 PM, "Victor Cozzetto" 
> wrote:
>
>> I strongly recommend the thermal stirrer with the Silverpuppy. Both items
>> are sold on the site. The thermal stirrer gives you the addition of some
>> temperature control, which makes timing more consistent and enables you to
>> produce the CS in colder environments; a must for some people. I've
>> probably setup a dozen people with such, and all work great.
>>
>> Victor
>>
>>
>> On Apr 1, 2017, at 9:59, Top Dog  wrote:
>>
>> Was just reading it on the Silver Puppy site. My only reasoning is just
>> one less piece of equipment to worry about. No other reason really. As I'm
>> not planning on being a power user it's just a simplicity thing but all for
>> making sure I'm creating a quality consistent batch. I'll find the link on
>> the site in a few mins.
>>
>> -Bob
>>
>> On Mar 31, 2017 8:40 PM, "Neville"  wrote:
>>
>>> G'day Bob,
>>>
>>>
>>> Quite to the contrary.  If only making a drinking glass full would be
>>> OK, but anything larger by volume needs stirring to keep things moving
>>> around whilst brewing.  I'll leave it to the experts to explain.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why do you think it's a plus for not stirring?
>>>
>>>
>>> N.
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> *From:* Top Dog 
>>> *Sent:* Saturday, 1 April 2017 9:51 AM
>>> *To:* silver-list@eskimo.com
>>> *Subject:* CS>Final choices of units?
>>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> Been a long time since I revisited buying a device but am doing so this
>>> weekend. Only 2 devices that interest me and that's the Silver Puppy and
>>> the SilverTron. Over at that cgs forum there's lots of info. Some
>>> conflicting some not. I do like some of the info on the reducing agents to
>>> get colloidal silver versus ion silver and found that info interesting.
>>>
>>> At any rate my goal really is to get a unit that does a set and forget
>>> as much as possible
>>> using a standard quart Mason jar with ppm's from 10-20.
>>>
>>> Just looking for opinions from those that may have either one of those
>>> units.
>>>
>>> Been a while since looking at the Silver Puppy but appears the consensus
>>> is that you don't need to stir the solution as it's being made and looks
>>> like a stirrer is not even sold anymore on there.  A plus if that really is
>>> the case.
>>>
>>> Thanks for everyone's opinion.
>>>
>>> -Bob
>>>
>>

Re: CS>Final choices of units?

[Victor Cozzetto]

Wow, that looks perfect!
I see many similar products too.
I wish I thought of that myself sooner! :D

Victor

> On Apr 1, 2017, at 11:31, Jerry Durand  wrote:
> 
> Something like this
> https://www.amazon.com/Mr-Coffee-Warmer-Office-MWBLK/dp/B000CO89T8
> 
>> On 03/31/2017 07:30 PM, Jerry Durand wrote:
>> How about a hot plate for a coffee cup?
>> 
> 
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> www.interstellar.com
> tel: +1 408 356-3886
> @DurandInterstel
> 
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CS>"Rampant use of nanosilver..."

[Jean Baugh]

Hi Nenah,

You are right, they will downplay colloidal silver to their last dollar.

Jean

***

From:  Nenah Sylver 


BK wrote: The journal article can be downloaded here - 4.6 MB PDF:
https://sci-hub.ac/downloads/bb41/10.1...@acsnano.7b01166.pdf
 
==
Thanks for the link. Here is a short quote from the article:
 
===beginning of quoted portion===
Microorganisms Can Develop Resistance to Nano-silver. Before the dramatic
increase in application of silver nanoparticles as an antimicrobial, ionic
silver has had a long history of use as a disinfectant. Many reports
frequently use the term ³ silver² when referring to silver ions. Decades-old
discoveries provide evidence on the potential of microorganisms to develop
resistance to chemical species of silver that are cytotoxic, so that the
microorganisms continue to grow even in the presence of silver. One of the
earliest reports of antimicrobial resistance to silver ions was by Jelenko
et al. in 1969. The study isolated resistant Escherichia coli from a
clinical case of prolonged silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected at day 47,
following treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate at day 1 and day 36 postburn).
  This finding was followed by the discovery of a silver-resistant
Salmonella typhimurium strain in the 1970s, also isolated from clinical
cases of silver-nitrate-treated burns (detected as early as day 8, following
treatment with 0.5% silver nitrate).
  The isolated strain was later characterized as having nine resistance
determinants, known as the sil genes. Examples of bacteria adapting to
conditions of long exposure to silver are also found outside the clinic, in
specific environmental settings ³ where toxicity might select for
resistance² a quote from A. Gupta and S. Silver, 1998), including the soil
of a silver mine and photographic laboratory effluent.
 
===end of quoted portion===
 
Now, I did not read every single word of this article, but I did skim every
page. NAg (Silver Nitrate) kept appearing. From my cursory reading, it seems
that the authors are focusing completely on the silver COMPOUND Silver
Nitrate‹which, as we know, is NOT electrolytically isolated silver!!!
 
Of course medical science won¹t discuss EIS because we can make it
ourselves, and there¹s no profit in that. It really pays to read carefully,
and read between the lines.
 
Nenah
 
Nenah Sylver, PhD
author, The Rife Handbook
of Frequency Therapy and Holistic Health
healing from cancer and other diseases
with non-invasive, effective technology
suppressed by the medical cartel until recently
www.nenahsylver.com