Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
Hello Ron I can see this is going You think so? I don't. I think you can see where you aren't going. no where so I will leave it with one final bit of food for thought As such... Some food for thought might be that you haven't responded to anything in the message you're responding to, simply dismissing it out of hand because you find it unappetising. You don't want your views challenged because you're unable to defend them. Sorry about your dyspepsia, but we've had more than enough people trying such transparent tactics here over the years for everyone to recognise them for what they are, except perhaps for you. They sure aren't going to put your blinkers on just for your sake. . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon they forget. Nuff said. LOL! Hm. I commend you to the list archives young man, as previous discussions (and debunkings akin to sheer rout) of just this myth have been there longer than you've been here. Now go on, tell me I have no gratitude! :-) Keith Keith Addison wrote: Well, well... I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular. This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us (that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean he's incapable of seeing it straight. Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy (and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought, no? One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?) Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15 years ago. Grotesque? ... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08 Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 1985: 31 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 2000: 36 Yes, grotesque. Is this something to be admired? Look at these figures: Debt relief for the 20 worst affected countries would cost between US $5.5 billion to $7.7 billion, less than the cost of ONE stealth bomber. Basic education for all would cost $6 billion a year; - $8 billion is spent annually for cosmetics in the United States alone. Installation of water and sanitation for all would cost $9 billion plus some annual costs; - $11 billion is spent annually on ice cream in Europe. Reproductive health services for all women would cost $12 billion a year; - $12 billion a year is spent on perfumes in Europe and the United States. Basic health care and nutrition would cost $13 billion; - $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United States. $35 billion is spent on business entertainment in Japan; $50 billion on cigarettes in Europe; $105 billion on alcoholic drinks in Europe; $400 billion on narcotic drugs around the world; and $780 billion on the world's militaries. -- From: Globalization Facts and Figures http://learningpartnership.org/facts/global.phtml It's not something to be admired. Yet Americans are so proud of it. A majority of Americans thinks the US spends 24% of its budget on foreign aid instead of the actual figure, less than 1% - and most of that is tied to direct US benefit. And then there's this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article.htm $1 trillion missing : Military waste under fire 05/18/05 San Francisco Chronicle (Among other things, they LOST 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.) Grotesque and bizarre. I'm not bashing the US, I'm not even trying to stop the discussion - please, go ahead, thrash it out, no problem. But please be aware of how peculiarly American it is. Pondering that a bit might add some perspective which might otherwise be lacking. A couple of other things to ponder. Vietnam vets, or some of them anyway, seem to have a rather different view of military service. I'm reminded of a previous discussion here involving Vietnam vets when one of them boasted about the
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
That was then. This is now, when those in control of the United States are using the methods and following the principles of Hitler and Stalin, though on a smaller scale so far. Remember that the United States was dragged into World War II by the Japanese, after having been given the jet engine and the key to modern radar (the cavity magnetron) by Britain. The development of the atom bomb in the U.S. was possible because foreign scientists and foreign governments had confidence in the good sense of the American government and people. Oppressed people of other countries looked on the United States as a haven of law, order and safety. No one trusts the United States any more. Nowadays oppressed foreigners feel safer in Europe. In the United States they are at the mercy of the secret police. Doug Woodard St. Catharines, Ontario, Canada On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote: I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit of food for thought . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon they forget. Nuff said. [snip] ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Discrimination in following military orders
robert luis rabello wrote: Michael Redler wrote: Robert, "...he or she becomes the property of the military and the commanders will do with every soldier whatever they deem necessary. " Point taken. But I think it's a bit oversimplified. Is it really? Can an army function without discipline? When the lieutenant says: "We have orders to secure that hilltop and neutralize enemy resistance," does an enlisted soldier have the right to disagree? My wife has a young cousin who joined the Marines a few years ago. Much to his dismay, and his family's distress, the Marine Corps sent him to Fallujah. He tells us that he didn't want to go there. He speaks of the situation being horrible and of his life being in constant danger. But he couldn't say: "No thanks. I'd rather serve in Guam." Robert this is particularly interesting to me because it leads me to the question "should an army be able to perform a function if it cannot convince people who volunteered to join it to undertake that function". The army recognizes this principal itself in that soldier are generally not "ordered" into situations of "extreme danger" which begs the question when people are shooting at you "is there any other kind" (Jack Nicholson in the movie "A Few Good Men"). How is it that an Army is particularly different in this regard than a company? I run a company full of volunteers, our mission is to defend our environment from unsustainable poisonous energy practices. No one calls in sick even when the work is hard and nasty and drawing the line at shooting another human being is totally arbitrary, can we poison them? Does it have to be fast acting or can it be slow acting? There are many businesses that occupy themselves with getting people to pay them to indiscriminately kill other people it just appears to be more ethical when they use slow acting poisons or don't use guns than when the do but does that make it more ethical? How can a military unit prevent: Soldiers from reporting sick or late or causing transportation equipment to fail? Of course in earlier wars people would have been shot on the spot and probably where but today in the U.S. the most they will probably do is court martial you and ethical way to clearly state that you disagree with the military. If more of our soldiers had the courage to accept this "shameing" we would probably have a better more ethical military. -- Email Sig Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Bug Power
The Institute of Science in Society Science Society Sustainability http://www.i-sis.org.uk ISIS Press Release 03/06/05 Bug Power Waste-gobbling bacteria may be our dream ticket to clean renewable energy. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Dr. Mae-Wan Ho A http://www.i-sis.org.uk/full/BugPowerFull.phpfully referenced version of this paper is posted on ISIS members' website. http://www.i-sis.org.uk/membership.phpDetails here Resources and energy from wastes Bacteria that gobble wastes are a godsend. They prevent the build up of wastes in our environment and play an indispensable role in making wastewater safe for domestic animals, wild life, and human beings. In many Third World countries, these same bacteria are working miracles turning manure and other wastes into valuable resources to support highly productive farms that require no input and generate little or no waste (Dream farm, this series). When these bacteria are confined in anaerobic digesters with limited or no access to oxygen, they ferment the wastes, release and conserve nutrients for livestock and crops, and produce biogas' as by-product, which typically consists of about 60% methane (CH4) and a small amount of hydrogen (H2), both of which can be burnt as smokeless fuel. Within the past two years, these same bacteria are showing even more remarkable potential for producing clean and renewable energy while reducing greenhouse gas emissions. Hydrogen economy on potato waste The hydrogen economy is on everyone's lips as the answer to the ultimate clean energy. Burning hydrogen produces pure water instead of green house gases, and it is by far the most energetic fuel on earth, weight for weight. But in order to really reduce green house gas emissions, hydrogen must be produced sustainably with renewable sources such as sun, wind and biomass. About half of all hydrogen produced currently is from natural gas, the rest is produced primarily using other fossil fuels. Only 4% is generated by splitting water using electricity derived from a variety of sources. At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as methane from potato waste [1]. The team used a two-stage anaerobic digestion to get first hydrogen and then methane. In this way, it was possible to optimize the first stage for producing hydrogen. The key appears to be an acidic pH of 5.5 in the hydrogen reactor, instead of pH 7 in the methane reactor. Both reactors were run at 35C. They pulped the potatoes bought from a store and treated the slurry with peptone (an enzyme that breaks down protein), then seeded the two reactors one for hydrogen the other for methane - with digested sludge from the local wastewater treatment plant to get the bacteria in place. For the hydrogen reactor, the seed sludge was pre-cultivated in a sucrose medium for a few days before switching to potato waste when high hydrogen production was confirmed. For the methane reaction, no precultivation of the sludge was required. From the 4th day, the potato pulp replaced sucrose and hydrogen biogas was produced continuously for a further 90 days. The maximum production rate from the one litre reactor was 270ml/h on the 17th day, and the average rate over the entire 90-day period was 112.2ml/h. The hydrogen fraction fluctuated between 39 and 51 percent of the biogas (v/v). The average chemical oxygen demand (COD) concentration (a measure of the amount of waste present) of the fluid coming out of the hydrogen reactor was 7 220mg/L, at an input concentration of 12 800mg/L. So more than 40 percent of the waste was removed. Once hydrogen production became stable after the 20th day, the outflow from the hydrogen reactor was transferred to the second, bigger (methane) reactor, 5 litres in volume. During the 70 days of operation, methane biogas was produced continuously; the maximum rate was 410ml/h, and the average rate, 213 ml/h. The concentration of methane in the biogas was between 69 and 79 percent. The average COD concentration in the methane bioreactor outflow was 4 130 mg/L. Again, the process removed more than 40% of the wastes. Together, the two reactors removed 68% of the waste. Based on the hydrogen and methane production rates, the average energy yield from each kilogram dry weight of potato waste was 4.96 MJ (1.4kWh) and the maximum energy yield, 9.58 MJ (2.7kWh). For comparison, burning 1 kg wood yields about 20MJ [2]. But because the energy is generated from waste, it is essentially free, and does not require chopping down trees. Potato is the third largest food crop in the world, and Canada is one of the leading producers (4.7million tonnes annually). Large amounts of potato waste come from food and potato
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
Hi All, Hum -- long lines at the ballot box, people turned away, no accountability... the UN should observe US elections. Hum -- family farms annexed by the city, fining the family $1000/day for having livestock, charging the family for the demolition of the home and barn. what happen to majority rule with minority rights? I should mention the owner of the farm was a combat vet. Hum -- why is it that I can not get news by listening to the news? why is it that I get more information about the US from BBC the NBC or CBS? Is that because in order to have a working democracy 51% have to be able to make an informed vote. Why is it that the Republicans in the US push democracy on the rest of the world when the US is truly a republic. - I have to get some sleep brian Original Message- From: Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Jun 3, 2005 1:29 PM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang Hello Larry Keith, I knew, from previous veiwing on this list, that I would definetly be in the minority. We are all in the minority, we are all in the majority too. However, discussion and sharing opinions is the best part of living in any democracy. Yes... it's the essence of what we're all doing here. But you could have left out the last three words. Here on the Internet, it doesn't much matter where you live or under what sort of regime. How else would we ever get new ideas, solutions. How else indeed. I guess it is just the Red State in me, I'm sorry Larry, I don't know what that means. but I am proud of the US and its existing positions within the world community. But the world community rejects these positions by a truly massive, unprecedented, majority (as do very many Americans). Yet you talk of democracy. It is contradictory. Not much sharing to be done if you're the only one in step, and insist on it, at everyone else's expense. I have experienced life in other countries and found some to be very enjoyable, others however were very repressive. Not to doubt or to disparage, but it depends how you did it. Were you there on your terms or theirs? There are people who say that, having lived in the local Hilton, corporate executives who say that but they've lived a life entirely buffered from the local conditions and experienced essentially nothing. And others who just muck in at street level with everyone else, live in an ordinary neighbourhood, get an ordinary job on local conditions. They've all experienced life in other countries - or have they? There are so many Americans now who find the US very repressive. They liken it to Nazi Germany in the 1930s, yet I don't think they love their country any less than you do. Some of them write to me, they're anguished about it. There are quite a few of them here. Discussing and sharing opinions means accepting this diversity, IMHO, even relishing it. I do enjoy the discussion an look forward to more and others. Good, and most welcome. All views are welcome, the more diverse the better. I guess the only view that isn't welcome is a refusal to accept those of others when they differ. That is truly sterile, I'm sure you'll agree. Best wishes Keith Larry On 6/3/05, Keith Addison [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well, well... I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular. This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us (that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean he's incapable of seeing it straight. Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy (and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought, no? One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?) Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15 years ago. Grotesque? ... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08 Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 1985: 31 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military
Re: [Biofuel] phosphatide content in crude oil
Hello Subbu. Since used cooking oil from the beginning probably consists from refined oil, the phosphatetide content should be 1%. With best regards Jan Warnqvist AGERATEC AB [EMAIL PROTECTED] + 46 554 201 89 +46 70 499 38 45 - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 12:03 PM Subject: [Biofuel] phosphatide content in crude oil Hi friends, Could someone please tell me how much phosphatide is normally present in used cooking oil. Many thanks regards Subbu Water saving tip: Use a watering can on your garden. A hose can use up to 540 litres an hour - nearly as much as a family of four in a day. For more gardening tips, visit our website: - www.thameswateruk.co.uk/waterwise RWE Thames Water plc, Registered Office Clearwater Court, Vastern Road, Reading, Berkshire, RG1 8DB. Registered No. 2366623. This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual to whom it is addressed. Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of RWE Thames Water plc or its subsidiaries. If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail you may not copy, use, forward or disclose its contents to any other person ; please notify our Computer Service Desk on +44 (0)118 9593587 and destroy and delete the message and attachments from your system. For more information on RWE Thames Water visit our web site at http://www.rwethameswater.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages): http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/ Search the Biofuels-biz list archives: http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re[2]: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
Hallo Ron, Turn your question around on yourself brother. Let's say you have all the military experience in the world but you are content to believe the hogwash dumped into your consciousness by a blatantly biased government working hand-in-hand with a blatantly biased big business community and then you, without checking to see whether or not you are getting the truth, all the truth not just the parts which make one thing look like another, and you go out and act on that information as if it were from the mouth of GOD, and that is what a good many people, particularly those in the military, are doing then how does that make it any better or different to those who believe a blatantly biased anti military press? The press is mainly just a dis-information service for the government in most things. Did you ever wonder why some of the press might be anti military? Have you noticed that in My Lai it was a lowly lieutenant who bit the bullet? Did you notice that it is a few enlisted and a female reserve general who bent over for the military while those in actual control who dictated the actions are merrily whistling on their way? Do you understand that in actual fact you have to carry out an unlawful act and report it after the fact? That isn't the way it is written but that is how it works. Are you aware that Richard Clarke, Colin Powell's intel chief, told Powell FOUR MONTHS before his UN presentation that not only had the intel not shown the info Powell was going to give to be true it had shown it to be false? Are you aware that Lt. Col. Kwaitkowski who was an intel analyst in the Near East South Asia section of the Middle East Policy Directorate of the Pentagon reports that political appointees with political agendas were installed in the Pentagon and that all intelligence was run through them to the president and that bits and pieces of the intel were woven together to support a preconceived and false conclusion? Todd does his homework brother. If the first hand experience you are speaking of is sighting down a barrel and pulling the trigger on some poor bastard you don't even know then he doesn't need it and neither does anyone else. What they don't tell you when you enlist is that when that happens you have to live with yourself for the rest of your life with the knowledge of what you have done and sooner or later that will come back and bite you in the ass. You can take that to the bank. I'm living with that 40 years later. My uncle lived with that from the first world war on. My father from the second world war on and my cousin from Korea on. And these poor kids in Iraq are going to bring that back home with them and carry that in their hearts for the rest of their lives. Thank God Todd doesn't have any first hand experience. It is unfortunate that so many of us do and will. My kids won't. They may die for their country but they won't kill for it. When people talk about rendering unto Caesar they should remember that Caesar may have given them a place to live but not their lives and Caesar has no right to force one to render someone else's life unto him. Happy Happy, Gustl Saturday, 04 June, 2005, 05:01:04, you wrote: r So what you are saying is, you have NO first hand experience. That you r are content to spread second hand info spewed out by a blatantly r biased anti military press. And bases on NO first hand info you are r content to accept all the flotsam they give you and pass it along as if r it were from the mouth of GOD. Does that about sum it up? r Ron r Appal Energy wrote: Ron, Why would you find it necessary to try and delve into personal exeriences when the public record and the dis-service to America is blatantly and patently apparent? -- Je mehr wir haben, desto mehr fordert Gott von uns. We can't change the winds but we can adjust our sails. The safest road to Hell is the gradual one - the gentle slope, soft underfoot, without sudden turnings, without milestones, without signposts. C. S. Lewis, The Screwtape Letters Es gibt Wahrheiten, die so sehr auf der Straße liegen, daß sie gerade deshalb von der gewöhnlichen Welt nicht gesehen oder wenigstens nicht erkannt werden. Those who dance are considered insane by those who can't hear the music. George Carlin The best portion of a good man's life - His little, nameless, unremembered acts of kindness and of love. William Wordsworth ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
It goes nowhere Ron, because you take it nowhere. By all appearances, or at least in this instance, you seem to be the type of person who would boil the kettle dry and still think and try to persuade others that what's at the bottom of the pot is still tea. There's a far greater bit to life's picture than what you narrowly present. Normally when people work on a jigsaw puzzle, their disappointment comes when they find the last piece to be missing. You, on the other hand, appear to be more like the last piece in search of the rest of the puzzle. That should concern not only you, but the rest of the world. Todd Swearingen ron wrote: I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit of food for thought . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon they forget. Nuff said. Keith Addison wrote: Well, well... I'm aware this will probably chuck the cat in with the pigeons but I'm undeterred. It's not directed at anyone in particular. This discussion could only happen in America, while the rest of us (that is, most of us) look on bemused. An American list member who demands respect for his views on the basis of his military service will not get that respect from the majority of list members, and he ought to be aware of that. From some he might get the very opposite of respect. For me, it's simply not significant. It doesn't even mean he necessarily knows better, on the contrary, it could as easily mean he's incapable of seeing it straight. Where else in the world is military service placed on such a pedestal of pride? Where else is the military held in such high esteem? I don't wish to be insulting, but the only possibilities that come to mind are perhaps China, or North Korea, and maybe South Korea to an extent, because of North Korea - but at least they have a real enemy (and the last thing they want is to fight it out). Food for thought, no? One then has to ask, where else in the world does the military get such a grotesquely huge slice of the budget? (China? North Korea?) Especially of such a huge budget. And why? The Cold War ended 15 years ago. Grotesque? ... U.S. military spending, in billions of dollars per day: 1.08 Ratio of U.S. military spending to the combined military budgets of Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya, North Korea, Sudan, and Syria: 26 to 1 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 1985: 31 Percentage of U.S. share of total global military spending in 2000: 36 Yes, grotesque. Is this something to be admired? Look at these figures: Debt relief for the 20 worst affected countries would cost between US $5.5 billion to $7.7 billion, less than the cost of ONE stealth bomber. Basic education for all would cost $6 billion a year; - $8 billion is spent annually for cosmetics in the United States alone. Installation of water and sanitation for all would cost $9 billion plus some annual costs; - $11 billion is spent annually on ice cream in Europe. Reproductive health services for all women would cost $12 billion a year; - $12 billion a year is spent on perfumes in Europe and the United States. Basic health care and nutrition would cost $13 billion; - $17 billion a year is spent on pet food in Europe and the United States. $35 billion is spent on business entertainment in Japan; $50 billion on cigarettes in Europe; $105 billion on alcoholic drinks in Europe; $400 billion on narcotic drugs around the world; and $780 billion on the world's militaries. -- From: Globalization Facts and Figures http://learningpartnership.org/facts/global.phtml It's not something to be admired. Yet Americans are so proud of it. A majority of Americans thinks the US spends 24% of its budget on foreign aid instead of the actual figure, less than 1% - and most of that is tied to direct US benefit. And then there's this: http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article.htm $1 trillion missing : Military waste under fire 05/18/05 San Francisco Chronicle (Among other things, they LOST 56 airplanes, 32 tanks, and 36 Javelin missile command launch-units.) Grotesque and bizarre. I'm not bashing the US, I'm not even trying to stop the discussion - please, go ahead, thrash it out, no problem. But please be aware of how peculiarly American it is. Pondering that a bit might add some perspective which might otherwise be lacking. A couple of other things to ponder. Vietnam vets, or some of them anyway, seem to have a rather different view of military service. I'm reminded of a previous discussion here involving Vietnam vets when one of them boasted about the Purple Heart he'd won. Have a look in the archives if you like. Why are benefits for soldiers' families being cut, and those for disabled soldiers too, IIRC, even as their numbers are
Re: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
On Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote:"If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian." Ron! Hello! What language does the entire world feel pressured to learn today. What cultures are being effected by (injected with)American culture. Every time I visit my Mother'schildhood home city of Bern Switzerland, I see wonderfully preserved 700+ year oldarchitecture...right next to a McDonald's. Our "army" takes many forms and economic pressure is oftenas effective aspolitical or military pressure when it comes to building material wealth and power. Today, "We" encroach on other countries (militarily, politically and economically) as if it's our God-given right. Mike[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: That was then. This is now, when those in control of the United Statesare using the methods and following the principles of Hitler and Stalin,though on a smaller scale so far.Remember that the United States was dragged into World War II by theJapanese, after having been given the jet engine and the key to modernradar (the cavity magnetron) by Britain. The development of the atom bombin the U.S. was possible because foreign scientists and foreigngovernments had confidence in the good sense of the American governmentand people. Oppressed people of other countries looked on the UnitedStates as a haven of law, order and safety. No one trusts the UnitedStates any more. Nowadays oppressed foreigners feel safer in Europe.In the United States they are at the mercy of the secret police.Doug WoodardSt. Catharines, Ontario, CanadaOn Sat, 4 Jun 2005, ron wrote: I can see this is going no where so I will leave it with one final bit of food for thought . If it were not for the US defense budget and over a million American lives, there would only be 2 languages spoken it all of Europe, German and Russian. And all of Asia would be speaking Japanese. Oh How soon they forget. Nuff said.[snip]___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power
Keith Addison wrote: At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as methane from potato waste [1]. This is very interesting. I've experimented with using bacteria to produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the feed stock is sugar based. I wasn't aware they were capable of breaking down starches. Bacteria are amazing little creatures! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] E-100 Goal
Hello Ken, EG Solar and Zeotech have developed a stand alone off grid solar fridge which consists of the following : 1. A sorption fridge box, with a water filled jacket which is partially evacuated with 2. A hand operated vacuum pump, which passes the evacuated low boiling "steam" to a 3. Azeolite canister. which adsorbs the "steam" to saturation andis regenerated by 4. A Parabolic solar concentrator at whose focus the saturated zeolite in the canister is heated to dryness. You can get more info at http://www.eg-solar.de/english/home.htm Regards Balaji - Original Message - From: Ken Provost To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Thursday, June 02, 2005 6:46 AM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] E-100 Goal on 6/1/05 2:19 PM, brewmaster at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I wish to introduce myself to your group and I hope I can answer the many questions within this new and expanding industry. My knowledge from small units (26k/gpy) to up scale distillation units (+50m/gpy), should provide you some scope of what is really involved with producing 200 proof fuel grade Ethanol.Cool résumé But why bother? If you're burning it in an Otto engine,you don't need 200 pf (unless you're mixing with gasoline :-)), and ifyou're using it to make biodiesel for a Diesel engine... (I bet not),methanol works way better.But hey, do you happen to know anything about regenerating zeolite with asolar concentrating furnace?-K___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the full Biofuel list archives (46,000 messages):http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuel/Search the Biofuels-biz list archives:http://infoarchive.net/sgroup/biofuels-biz/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] New York : DA Drops The Charges Against Carol Lang
Hi Ron, Not nearly enough said I'm afraid. I think you are perpetuating two myths: I think it was George Orwell who said that if you repeat a lie often enough, people will believe it. Sadly, a whole generation has got its perceptions of the Second World War from Hollywood. Many in Europe and America don't even know of Russia's involvement in the war and assume that they were fighting against the allies! Myth No.1: The war in Europe was basically over in mid 1943, almost a year before the Normandy landings. The decisive battles were all fought in Russia (Stalingrad, siege of Moscow, siege of Leningrad, Battle of Kursk etc.). In the siege of Leningrad alone an estimated 700,000 people perished. The war culminated in the Battle of Kursk in July 1943. It was the biggest tank battle in history, yet is known about by few in the west. After this decisive battle the war was basically over in Europe, in the sense that the Germans were always on the defensive from then on, and the Russians could have won without the Americans or British. It would of course have taken longer. American equipment given to Russia under the Lend Lease program was an important factor early on in the war but was less so as Russian production of armaments moved east. Still, we owe a great debt to the American and British soldiers who died in this war. We often rightly acknowledge that debt. We seldom acknowledge the even greater debt we owe the Russian people!!! During the decisive battle on the western front, The Battle of the Bulge, the Germans had the majority of their troops in the Eastern Front, in Russia.. During the war the Russians lost an estimated 20 million people. This was almost 10% of their population. It tended to colour their perception of Europe from then on!! It is also important to remember that Russia had been invaded by Europe in 1914 and in 1919/20 also. Three times in 30 years!!! There was also still the folk memory of Napoleon's invasion in 1812. Myth No.2: At the end of the war Russia was determined that they wouldn't be invaded again. (Remember that this was thought to be a possibility; the US General, Patton, wanted to go on and attack Russia to finish the war.) The Russians therefore decided to form a buffer zone of satellite states around its borders just as Israel did with south Lebanon in the early 80's. This obviously led to tensions with the other super powers and you had the formation of NATO and the Warsaw Pact after that. This in turn led to the Cold War and an arms race which the Russians needed like a hole in the head. Their country was devastated and needed reconstruction urgently. The US emerged from the war practically unscathed and as the only remaining superpower with 50% of the world's wealth, but only 3% of its population. Russia realised early on that it could never compete successfully with the economic might of the US and therefore sought to end the Cold War as early as 1952. They proposed that Germany be re-united but remain neutral with no conditions attached to its economic policies and guaranteeing the rights of man and basic freedoms, including freedom of speech, press and the free activity of democratic parties. The US replied that a re-united Germany would have to be free to join NATO. This was a demand that the US knew Russia could not accept. The US needed the Cold War to keep its population scared. This helped to keep what Eisenhower described as the military industrial complex happy. It's also interesting to note that Eisenhower thought that fears of a Russian invasion of Europe were the product of paranoid imaginations. It has to be said that elements of the Russian regime also found the Cold War handy in keeping their population in line too. They of course had their own military industrial complex. The Russians made several more attempts to end the Cold War but were rebuffed time and again by the US, (see Noam Chomsky's DETERRING DEMOCRACY). The above may seem to be overly generous to the Russians. They were of course quite brutal in their occupation of their satellite states. All empires are brutal and their actions are mostly reprehensible in their colonies. It is interesting to compare the colonies of the US and the Russian colonies during the 1980's however. The Russian colonies were bleeding Russia dry whereas the US colonies in South America were hugely profitable for the US economy. The Soviet Union poured about 80 billion dollars into Eastern Europe during the 1970's. According to the New York Times transfers to the West from Latin America from 1982 to 1987 amounted to 150 billion dollars. Also, what would have happened to Vaclev Havel or Lech Walesa (PolishTrade Union leader), if they had advocated free elections and free trade unions in El Salvador or Guatemala during the 1980's? They would have ended up disembowelled somewhere on the outskirts of town! Regards Dermot -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf
RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power
Starches are a type of sugar -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:50 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power Keith Addison wrote: At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as methane from potato waste [1]. This is very interesting. I've experimented with using bacteria to produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the feed stock is sugar based. I wasn't aware they were capable of breaking down starches. Bacteria are amazing little creatures! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.or g Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste)must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for rawglycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our interference in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never interfere again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign students over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a D and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not interfere, They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us Ugly Americans any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
Why do all the xenophobic emails end with: "If you agree with the above forward it to afriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !" as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option. After watching "Patch Adams", I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash. Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed! Mike lisa simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to RobinWilliams to come up with the perfect plan .. what weneed now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up andrepeat this message.Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with thislogic!)I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I havenot heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.1.) The US will apologize to the world for our"interference" in their affairs, past present. Youknow, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic andthe rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never"interfere" again.2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over theworld, starting with Germany, South Korea and thePhilippines. They don't want us there. We wouldstation troops at our borders. No one sneaking throughholes in the fence.3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get theiraffairs together and leave. We'll give them a freetrip home. After 90 days the remainder will begathered up and deported immediately, regardless ofwho or where they are. France would welcome them.4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checkedand limited to 90 days unless given a special permit.No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in.If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available toanyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11cashiers.5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older onesare the bombers. If they don't attend classes, theyget a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to becomeself-sufficient energy wise.This will include developing nonpolluting sources ofenergy but will require a temporary drilling of oilin the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have tocope for a while.7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producingcountries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don'tlike it, we go some place else. They can go somewhereelse to sell their production. (About a week of thewells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophein the world, we will not "interfere," They can prayto Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement orwhatever they need. Besides most of what we give themis stolen or given to the army. The people who needit most get very little, if anything.9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated islandsome place. We don't need the spies and fair weatherfriends here. Besides, the building would make a goodhomeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.10.) All Americans must go to charm and beautyschool. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans"any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that awinner of a plan."The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give meyour poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She'sgot a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want apiece of me?'"~~~If you agree with the above forward it tofriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power
Mark Kaufman wrote: Starches are a type of sugar Yes, but bigger. I'd never tried the technique with starch wastes. robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
I must admit I think this idea has merit: The US closes its borders the rest of the world trades around it. There would be no reason to sell the US our oil as the US would not be able to export its useless products: think no more useless Disney! No US Armaments to the rest of the world! (either sold or missdelivered as 'anti-terrorist acts'). I love the idea regards, a peace loving Aussie... On Sunday 05 June 2005 7:31, lisa simpson wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our interference in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never interfere again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign students over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a D and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not interfere, They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us Ugly Americans any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?' ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Bill, One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc cocktail to syn gas and char. Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol. A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket. Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now. http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket. Todd Swearingen Bill Clark wrote: Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
[Biofuel] Efficiency on the Immediate Event Horizon...
Japan Squeezes to Get the Most of Costly Fuel bylineBy JAMES BROOKE Japan is urging citizens to replace their appliances and buy hybrid vehicles, as part of an effort to save energy. ... In Germany, where heating accounts for the largest share of home energy use, a new energy saving law has as its standard the seven-liter house, designed to use just seven liters of oil to heat one square meter for a year, about one-third the amount consumed by a house built in 1973, before the first oil price shock. Three-liter houses - even one-liter designs - are now being built. http://www.nytimes.com/2005/06/04/business/worldbusiness/04energy.html?themc=th ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Any concerns to possible toxic emissions...as with the concern of some SVOers? I have heard that some nasty toxins are produced by the burning of crude glycerin..although I have no data on it. Perhaps it is temperature (of combustion) related..and hence not an issue with a gasifier? At 10:13 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote: Bill, One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc cocktail to syn gas and char. Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol. A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket. Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now. http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket. Todd Swearingen Bill Clark wrote: Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Acrolein is a co-/by-product of incomplete combustion of glycerol. One would think that at ~2,000* F (the Wood Gun) the combustion process would be complete. Todd Swearingen R Del Bueno wrote: Any concerns to possible toxic emissions...as with the concern of some SVOers? I have heard that some nasty toxins are produced by the burning of crude glycerin..although I have no data on it. Perhaps it is temperature (of combustion) related..and hence not an issue with a gasifier? At 10:13 PM 6/4/2005, you wrote: Bill, One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc cocktail to syn gas and char. Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol. A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket. Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now. http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket. Todd Swearingen Bill Clark wrote: Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
I personally don't see much logic in the email so I guess I wont argue with it. Of course there is much reason to believe it was not written by Robin Williams " (4/26/2003) This is yet another 'adopt-an-opinion" chain letter that is popular not only because it says something many wish they could have said, but also because it appears to come from somebody famous." http://www.breakthechain.org/exclusives/robinwilliams.html so please don't call his publisher or harras him because if it. lisa simpson wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to Robin Williams to come up with the perfect plan .. what we need now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up and repeat this message. Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with this logic!) I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I have not heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan. 1.) The US will apologize to the world for our "interference" in their affairs, past present. You know, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic and the rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never "interfere" again. 2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over the world, starting with Germany, South Korea and the Philippines. They don't want us there. We would station troops at our borders. No one sneaking through holes in the fence. 3.) All illegal aliens have 90 days to get their affairs together and leave. We'll give them a free trip home. After 90 days the remainder will be gathered up and deported immediately, regardless of who or where they are. France would welcome them. 4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checked and limited to 90 days unless given a special permit. No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in. If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available to anyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11 cashiers. 5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older ones are the bombers. If they don't attend classes, they get a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to become self-sufficient energy wise. This will include developing nonpolluting sources of energy but will require a temporary drilling of oil in the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have to cope for a while. 7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producing countries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don't like it, we go some place else. They can go somewhere else to sell their production. (About a week of the wells filling up the storage sites would be enough.) 8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophe in the world, we will not "interfere," They can pray to Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement or whatever they need. Besides most of what we give them is stolen or given to the army. The people who need it most get very little, if anything. 9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated island some place. We don't need the spies and fair weather friends here. Besides, the building would make a good homeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens. 10.) All Americans must go to charm and beauty school. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans" any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that a winner of a plan. "The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give me your poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She's got a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want a piece of me?'" ~~~If you agree with the above forward it to friend... If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it ! __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ -- Email Sig Kenneth Kron President Bay Area Biofuel http://www.bayareabiofuel.com/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] Phone: 415-867-8067 What you can do, or dream you can do, begin it! Boldness has genius, power and magic in it. Johann Wolfgang von Goethe. ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Sorry, error in my last post. ...I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week ... Should read "... I am running a biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula. I can produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week..." Sorry again, I am a bad typist. Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel
Thanks Todd, That was extremely helpful. Bill - Original Message - From: Appal Energy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Glycerine as fuel Bill, One would imagine that a gasifier would reduce all components of the glyc cocktail to syn gas and char. Gasification is a novel thought to reducing that waste/co-product to nill though. No addition of anything. No chemical refining. No new energy inputs. No disposal problem with the remaining crude glycerol. A standard ratio/mix of biomass to cocktail might be just the ticket. Here is a gasifier that we've been eying for a couple of years now. http://www.alternateheatingsystems.com/woodboilers.htm It's the only one we've seen that might fit the ticket. Todd Swearingen Bill Clark wrote: Hi to all, Yesterday I visited a small wood veneer operation using a wood gasification unit to produce steam which heats the veneer driers. They had previously been using LPG as a fuel source. The increase in the price of LPG was threatening to put them out of business. With the help of a grant from the State of Alabama they installed the new biomass gasification unit and paid it off ($500,000.00 USD) in a year and a half. There is another industry here struggling with LPG prices. Chicken growers. These small rural farmers must heat their chicken houses during cool or cold weather. Each house is 60 ft. wide by 200 ft. long. They turn the houses over 6 times per year. Each time a flock is sold, a layer of litter (peanut hulls and chicken waste) must be removed from the floor of the house. While the litter poduced is being used on some farmland (a problem in itself), there is a large glut of chicken litter piled around most of these farms. It is smelly, full of avian pathogens and is a serious leachate problem. There is work being done to utilize this waste as a heat source for these houses. The Alabama Department of Economic and Community Affairs Science, Technology and Energy division (ADECA-STE) is very interested in biomass as energy and has a grant program aimed at agricultural energy efficiency. Questions: Can raw glycerine co-product from a biodiesel operation be effective as a source of syngas in a gasifier? What implications from the soap content? Proposal: Since the removal of the litter from each house is a very dusty operation, utilize raw glycerine co-product as a dust settler on the surface of the litter with the added benefit of increasing the energy content of the biomass. Use the waste biomass as fuel in a wood gasification unit to produce heat for the chicken houses. As some of you know, I am running a wvo to biodiesel project for the City of Eufaula, AL. I produce about 600 gal. of biodiesel per week leaving me with approximately 90 gal. of raw glycerine co-product. While this is not enough to treat the 400 chicken houses in the area, it may be enough to demonstrate this idea on one or two farms. If the addition of raw glycerine to chicken litter is workable, perhaps it could create a reliable use for raw glycerine produced in a larger scale biodiesel plant. The raw glycerine could be sold for perhaps $.50-1.00 per gallon, a nice price that would have an impact on the feasibility of a local biodiesel operation. I am just begining to think this through so any comments, positive or negative, would be appreciated. Hoping all is well with each of you, Bill Clark ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
RE: [Biofuel] Bug Power
Hello Mark Starches are a type of sugar Both are carbohydrates. Usually you need an enzyme (or mould) to convert starches to sugar. And a yeast to convert the sugar to ethanol, if it's ethanol you want. Robert, are bacteria creatures or plants? Microflora they say. (Not that plants aren't creatures.) Amazing, yes. Not much is known about them. Most of the microbugs working away in a good compost pile (maybe 25,000 different types) haven't been identified yet, let alone their capabilities. IMO there's more and better to be gained via such research than nonsense like Big M's pesticide-resistant soybeans, eg. Best wishes Keith -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of robert luis rabello Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 9:50 AM To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Bug Power Keith Addison wrote: At BIOCAP Canada's First National Conference in February 2005, a research team at the Wastewater Technology Centre and the University of Waterloo in Ontario, Canada, presented a poster describing a prototype process for producing substantial amounts of hydrogen as well as methane from potato waste [1]. This is very interesting. I've experimented with using bacteria to produce hydrogen in an anaerobic environment, and it works well if the feed stock is sugar based. I wasn't aware they were capable of breaking down starches. Bacteria are amazing little creatures! robert luis rabello The Edge of Justice Adventure for Your Mind http://www.authorhouse.com/BookStore/ItemDetail.aspx?bookid=9782 Ranger Supercharger Project Page http://www.members.shaw.ca/rabello/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages): http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/
Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops...
AMEN - Original Message - From: Michael Redler To: Biofuel@sustainablelists.org Sent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 8:27 PM Subject: Re: [Biofuel] Robin's solution... was: DA Drops... Why do all the xenophobic emails end with: "If you agree with the above forward it to afriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !" as if the third choice (spreading this email with a description of what it really is) is not an option. After watching "Patch Adams", I have to believe that there is another Robin Williams who wrote this trash. Be amazed Lisa...be very amazed! Mike lisa simpson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You gotta love Robin Williams... Leave it to RobinWilliams to come up with the perfect plan .. what weneed now is for our UN Ambassador to stand up andrepeat this message.Robin William's plan. (Hard to argue with thislogic!)I see a lot of people yelling for peace but I havenot heard of a plan for peace. So, here's one plan.1.) The US will apologize to the world for our"interference" in their affairs, past present. Youknow, Hitler, Mussolini, Tojo, Noriega, Milosevic andthe rest of those 'good ole boys,' We will never"interfere" again.2.) We will withdraw our troops from all over theworld, starting with Germany, South Korea and thePhilippines. They don't want us there. We wouldstation troops at our borders. No one sneaking throughholes in the fence.3.) All illegal aliens have 90 da! ys to get theiraffairs together and leave. We'll give them a freetrip home. After 90 days the remainder will begathered up and deported immediately, regardless ofwho or where they are. France would welcome them.4.) All future visitors will be thoroughly checkedand limited to 90 days unless given a special permit.No one from a terrorist nation would be allowed in.If you don't like it there, change it yourself and don't hide here. Asylum would never be available toanyone. We don't need any more cab drivers or 7-11cashiers.5.) No foreign "students" over age 21. The older onesare the bombers. If they don't attend classes, theyget a "D" and it's back home baby. 6.) The US will make a strong effort to becomeself-sufficient energy wise.This will include developing nonpolluting sources ofenergy but will require a temporary drilling of oilin the Alaskan wilderness. The caribou will have tocope for a while.7.) Offer Saudi Arabia and other oil producingcountries $10 a barrel for their oil. If they don'tlike it, we go some place else. They can go somewhereelse to sell their production. (About a week of thewells filling up the storage sites would be enough.)8.) If there is a famine or other natural catastrophein the world, we will not "interfere," They can prayto Allah or whomever, for seeds, rain, cement orwhatever they need. Besides most of what we give themis stolen or given to the army. The people who needit most get very little, if anything.9.) Ship the UN Headquarters to an isolated islandsome place. We don't need the spies and fair weatherfriends here. Besides, the building would make a goodhomeless shelter or lockup for illegal aliens.10.) All Americans must go to charm and beautyschool. That way, no one can call us "Ugly Americans"any longer. The Language we speak is ENGLISH.learn it...or LEAVE...Now, isn't that awinner of a plan."The Statue of Liberty is no longer saying 'Give meyour poor, your tired, your huddled masses.' She'sgot a baseball bat and she's yelling, 'You want apiece of me?'"~~~If you agree with the above forward it tofriend...If not, and I would be amazed, DELETE it !__Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___Biofuel mailing listBiofuel@sustainablelists.orghttp://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.orgBiofuel at Journey to Forever:http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.htmlSearch the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):http://www.mail-archive.com/biofuel@sustainablelists.org/ ___ Biofuel mailing list Biofuel@sustainablelists.org http://sustainablelists.org/mailman/listinfo/biofuel_sustainablelists.org Biofuel at Journey to Forever: http://journeytoforever.org/biofuel.html Search the combined Biofuel and Biofuels-biz list archives (50,000 messages):
