date:20071213

Is the general idea now that the iPlayer migrate to be a Flash-delivered
catch-up service and the archive be moved to Project Kangaroo?

On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  asta la vista DRM debate

 I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video streaming
 too?

  - does it work with gnash, i wonder?

 It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and
 that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad.

 The download information section says Sorry, downloading BBC
 iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)

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Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds

Jonathan,

Thanks for doing that, it's great.  It certainly addresses the concerns I
had before.

On 13/12/2007, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:10, Adam Leach wrote:

  With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on
  Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs
  on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds.

 I really wish I had good news for you here. I'm *still* scraping the
 iPlayer site for discovery within the Facebook app :(

 Talking of the Facebook app, I've just added the embedded video, so
 you can watch the content inside Facebook ;-)

 http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/

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Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds

2007-12-13 Thread Ben Hall

Will it work on Vista?

On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Jonathan,

 Thanks for doing that, it's great.  It certainly addresses the concerns I
 had before.

 On 13/12/2007, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:10, Adam Leach wrote:
 
   With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on
   Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs
   on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds.
 
  I really wish I had good news for you here. I'm *still* scraping the
  iPlayer site for discovery within the Facebook app :(
 
  Talking of the Facebook app, I've just added the embedded video, so
  you can watch the content inside Facebook ;-)
 
  http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/
 
  Cheers
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 ... where I actually want to download
 the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent
 Viewing...

 Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent viewing
 in a flash player?

Your hand held computers have flash players?

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2007/dec/13/bbc.digitalmedia?gusrc=rssfeed=media

On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is the general idea now that the iPlayer migrate to be a Flash-delivered
 catch-up service and the archive be moved to Project Kangaroo?

 On 12/12/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  On 12/12/2007, Tom Loosemore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   asta la vista DRM debate
 
  I wouldn't be so sure about that; isn't there DRM in Flash video
  streaming too?
 
   - does it work with gnash, i wonder?
 
  It doesn't work, although a black to white gradient is rendered and
  that's it, so it doesn't crash or anything too bad.
 
  The download information section says Sorry, downloading BBC
  iPlayer programmes is currently only available for Windows. (Why?)
 
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Andy

Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.

And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding contract[1].
A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).

This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
work on other implementations of Flash.

How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to
try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?

[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Sean DALY

Does anyone know, is the Flash-encapsulated video On2-VP6, or H.264? I
suspect it's the latter but support for that is very recent and
compatible players are certainly not widespread yet.

I'm waiting for the day the BBC arranges Dirac encapsulation with
Adobe. There was a precedent with the special Real Player version a
few years ago. The advantages for the Beeb would be fantastic
particularly for simplified internal transcoding. Dirac is an
unencumbered format, H.264 patent licensing issues would be sidelined
so the open development community (in particular Gnash) would likely
embrace it.

Of course, if DRM is used, it's back to square one for platform
neutrality I suppose.

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Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds

2007-12-13 Thread Michael Smethurst

Just to confirm that jonathan tweed has already done most of the work to
make json and yaml representations of /programmes

Once it's reviewed and checked in it'll go live. For the moment /programmmes
doesn't have on demand availability data to reference the iPlayer
downloads/streams but this will also be changing soon

Rss, atom and rdf to follow





On 13/12/07 12:14, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Adam - had a very interesting chat with Anthony Rose (lead iPlayer)
 yesterday - which is coming out as a podcast in the next few days (when I
 get a moment to drag it off the recorder and encode it). One of the
 questions I asked him was when will we see an improvement in data provision
 - a properly supported API for example.
 
 His reply was that 'coming soon' we'll see a bunch of feeds coming out of
 /programmes and from there an API at a later date.
 
 I think the great thing about this is that Anthony is completely sold on the
 idea of good and deep access to data and that data being in the correct
 places.
 
 m
 
 
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 With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on Christmas
 day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs on iPlayer in
 the TV-Anytime data feeds.
 
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread nick richards

On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  ... where I actually want to download
  the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for subsequent
  Viewing...
 
  Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent viewing
  in a flash player?

 Your hand held computers have flash players?

My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in
'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't
see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer.
(although I haven't used it yet, obviously)

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I'm waiting for the day the BBC arranges Dirac encapsulation with
 Adobe. There was a precedent with the special Real Player version a
 few years ago. The advantages for the Beeb would be fantastic
 particularly for simplified internal transcoding. Dirac is an
 unencumbered format, H.264 patent licensing issues would be sidelined
 so the open development community (in particular Gnash) would likely
 embrace it.

That is an excellent suggestion :-)

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Re: [backstage] iPlayer and TV Anytime Feeds

Both the Flash and P2P versions now work with Vista.  I've tested them on
Vista Business Standard, Home Premium and Home Ultimate.

I guess I should really sort out a Vista Media Center version, now it can
easily be done with a Flash embed!


On 13/12/2007, Ben Hall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Will it work on Vista?

 On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  Jonathan,
 
  Thanks for doing that, it's great.  It certainly addresses the concerns
 I
  had before.
 
  On 13/12/2007, Jonathan Tweed [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   On 13 Dec 2007, at 00:10, Adam Leach wrote:
  
With the annoucement that iPlayer is apparently going live on
Christmas day, are there any plans to provide links to the programs
on iPlayer in the TV-Anytime data feeds.
  
   I really wish I had good news for you here. I'm *still* scraping the
   iPlayer site for discovery within the Facebook app :(
  
   Talking of the Facebook app, I've just added the embedded video, so
   you can watch the content inside Facebook ;-)
  
   http://apps.facebook.com/bbciplayer/
  
   Cheers
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RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Jeremy Stone

James Cridland of this parish has also written a blog post here with a
screenshot of it running on Ubuntu.
http://james.cridland.net/blog/2007/12/12/iplayer-on-gnulinux/

BBC staffers still recovering from shock of near universal response of
people now saying. iPlayer..its quite good. I might use it now. 

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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle
Sent: 13 December 2007 13:14
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9

- Original Message 
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Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.

And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding
contract[1].
A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).

This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
work on other implementations of Flash.

How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to try
and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC only,
and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?

[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/

Andy

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Glyn Wintle

It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9

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Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.

And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding
 contract[1].
A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).

This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
work on other implementations of Flash.

How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to
try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?

[1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/

Andy

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, nick richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
   ... where I actually want to download
   the videos before I watch because they're saved on my PC then for
 subsequent
   Viewing...
  
   Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent
 viewing
   in a flash player?
 
  Your hand held computers have flash players?

 My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in
 'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't
 see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer.
 (although I haven't used it yet, obviously)


On my Lobster (Windows Mobile 5), I can't use the iPlayer with Opera, I get
a this only works in the UK message.

On the same phone, IE does nothing!

There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at:

http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html


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 Stone free
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 Smoke free
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 The Tivo version.


 It seems the romance languages avoid the pitfall by sensibly having
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AW: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Oeztunali, Sebnem


 On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent
 viewing in a flash player?
   
Your hand held computers have flash players?
  
   My Nokia S60 phone does.
 
  There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at:
  http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html

 I was thinking about handheld computers typically used to play video -
 iPods and Archos and such.


Apple have their own players, but I cannot understand anyoneelse not supporting 
flash; If I'd had a hand held and would want to watch anything on that small 
display: it wouldn't be anything else but 3min youtube videos.

Why this repulsion against de facto standards?



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On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent
viewing in a flash player?
  
   Your hand held computers have flash players?
 
  My Nokia S60 phone does.

 There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at:
 http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html

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iPods and Archos and such.

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, nick richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
  Your hand held computers have flash players?

 My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in
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 see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer.
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, Brian Butterworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Don't you just need to hit the play again button for subsequent
viewing in a flash player?
  
   Your hand held computers have flash players?
 
  My Nokia S60 phone does.

 There are a range of Flashes for mobile devices at:
 http://www.adobe.com/devnet/devices/pocket_pc.html

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iPods and Archos and such.

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Matt Barber

If you're using Opera Mini on the Lobster, it will route your traffic
through a proxy, to cut down image sizes - this server is outside of the UK,
is there a version of Opera you can get that won't cache the content
off-shore? I think in the full fledged version (you have to pay but there's
a free trial) you can turn caching off - this might be worth a go?

I will try it when I get some time on my N95, just got it so want to see
what I can do with it. Anyone else had success or failure with the N95?

--Matt



On 13/12/2007, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 13/12/2007, nick richards [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  
   Your hand held computers have flash players?
 
  My Nokia S60 phone does. And with Flash Lite v3 (admittedly in
  'developer preview' only at the moment) it supports YouTube so I don't
  see any reason why a UK located IP wouldn't be able to use iPlayer.
  (although I haven't used it yet, obviously)

 I look forward to hearing if it works or not :-)

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On 13/12/2007, Oeztunali, Sebnem [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I cannot understand anyoneelse not supporting flash; If I'd had a
 hand held and would want to watch anything on that small display: it
 wouldn't be anything else but 3min youtube videos.

 Why this repulsion against de facto standards?

De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled by only one
or two organisations, and patent encumbered.

Sometimes, like with PDF, they can become real standards.

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled
by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered.

It's in this context that I think BBC Dirac in Flash would make sense
for the BBC. The Macromedia Flash container started off with Sorenson
Spark (rumored to be an early version of H.264) and the addition of
On2 VP6 and H.264 since the Adobe takeover showed they know how to
build in a scalable codec.

IMO a better solution than Dirac in Flash is Theora in Ogg. Ogg Theora
was going to be in HTML 5, but appears to have been dropped :-(

If HTML5 does eventually have Xiph formats, the future of web audio
and video will be patent-unemcumbered :-)

there is currently a specification for HTML5 being developed by the
WHATWG including the possibility of including a new video element in
HTML5 with native support for Ogg Theora/Vorbis as a baseline video
format by browsers.
...
The problems facing Ogg Theora/Vorbis are really about usability and uptake.
-
http://wiki.transmission.cc/index.php/FOSS_Codecs_For_Online_Video:_Usability_Uptake_and_Development_1.2#Future_of_Web_Video

Ogg technology has been removed from the HTML5 spec, after Ian caved
in the face of pressure from Apple and Nokia.
- http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/11/1339251

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the main
thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-)

Joy.

m


On 13/12/07 13:14, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
 
 Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
 least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.
 
 And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
 Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding
  contract[1].
 A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
 Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
 How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
 contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
 It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
 users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).
 
 This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
 access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
 work on other implementations of Flash.
 
 How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to
 try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
 only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?
 
 [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/
 
 Andy

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RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Tom Cartwright

Get back to work! 

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Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the
main thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-)

Joy.

m

On 13/12/07 13:14, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9

 - Original Message 
 From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

 Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at

 least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.

 And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
 Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding  
 contract[1].
 A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy 
 Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
 How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a 
 contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
 It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac 
 users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).

 This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to 
 access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't 
 work on other implementations of Flash.

 How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to 
 try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC 
 only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?

 [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/

 Andy

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RE: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Gareth Davis

The Solaris 10 11/06 machine sitting on my desk is also playing the
streams.
All it needed was the flash plugin downloading from Adobe.

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 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Glyn Wintle
 Sent: 13 December 2007 13:14
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
 
 It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9
 
 - Original Message 
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 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
 
 Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
 least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.
 
 And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
 Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding
  contract[1].
 A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
 Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
 How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
 contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
 It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
 users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).
 
 This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
 access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
 work on other implementations of Flash.
 
 How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to
 try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
 only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?
 
 [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/
 
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Sean DALY

Ogg is a container format, like QuickTime MOV and Microsoft AVI and
ASF (WMV/WMA). I agree it would be great if browsers recognized the
Ogg container and Theora/Vorbis cidecs natively, the way they
recognize JPG and GIF c. Theora is great and there are powerful FOSS
tools to transcode to it, for example I created the Theora and Vorbis
files on this page:
http://fsfeurope.org/projects/gplv3/europe-gplv3-conference.en.html
quite easily from consumer MiniDV with ffmpeg2theora.

Technically speaking, I don't see why Dirac couldn't be offered in an
Ogg container either. Although both Theora and Dirac are scalable to
HD, the great advantage to the BBC with Dirac is that internal video
storage and indexing could be seamless with a Dirac-based frontend.

There's little doubt now that MPEG-4 AVC / H.264 has won against
Microsoft WM9 / VC-1 in the industry broadcast wars. But on the
Windows desktop, anything other than WM9 has a steep uphill climb.
Free codecs will have better chances as Microsoft's stranglehold on
personal computers diminishes.

Sean

On 12/13/07, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
On 13/12/2007, Sean DALY [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
De facto standards are typically undocumented, controlled
by only one or two organisations, and patent encumbered.

IMO a better solution than Dirac in Flash is Theora in Ogg. Ogg Theora
was going to be in HTML 5, but appears to have been dropped :-(

If HTML5 does eventually have Xiph formats, the future of web audio
and video will be patent-unemcumbered :-)

Ogg technology has been removed from the HTML5 spec, after Ian caved
in the face of pressure from Apple and Nokia.
- http://yro.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=07/12/11/1339251

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Richard Cartwright

On 13/12/07 16:24, Tom Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Get back to work!

Is iPlayer the BBC website killer? As Facebook is blocked in more and more
workplaces due to the amount of time employees spend using it, will
employees catching up with last nights TV at work cause bbc.co.uk to become
a blocked site too?

Richard

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[backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

Well it¹s podcast time again and yesterday I got the opportunity to speak to
Anthony Rose - head of all things iPlayer here at the beeb.

We managed to talk for several minutes before DRM was mentioned, but this is
a great listen if you want to know a little about the man behind the future
strategy and tech delivery of the BBC's iPlayer project.

http://blip.tv/file/539117

Or direct download at

http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastWithAnthonyRo
se192.mp3

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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

Watching Dr Who at the BBC is work!

Honest.

(I'm watching Have I Got New for You now)

m


On 13/12/07 16:24, Tom Cartwright [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Get back to work!
 
 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore
 Sent: 13 December 2007 15:50
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
 
 Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the
 main thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-)
 
 Joy.
 
 m
 
 
 On 13/12/07 13:14, Glyn Wintle [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 It does work on my Ubuntu. Adobe Flash Player 9
 
 - Original Message 
 From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Sent: Thursday, December 13, 2007 12:16:23 PM
 Subject: Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live
 
 Nice to see the BBC have made sure that it doesn't run on Linux, or at
 
 least it doesn't run on this version. I get a nice blank grey screen.
 
 And a mouse hand with no indication of what it does.
 Clicking it informs me I have to enter into a legally binding
 contract[1].
 A contract that states if I want to use a tablet I have to also buy
 Windows XP. (it lists a specific version I must have).
 How is it in the least bit cross platform if I have to enter into a
 contract that says I have to use WindowsXP?
 It also states the software can only be used on a PC, so what are Mac
 users meant to do? (aside from breach contract).
 
 This is a complete sham. With the contract for the software needed to
 access the content it works on very few platforms. And oddly it won't
 work on other implementations of Flash.
 
 How about using a non-Windows streaming solution? Or is the plan to
 try and trick the Trust into believing that software that states PC
 only, and Tablet PCs must run WinXP is cross platform?
 
 [1] http://www.adobe.com/products/eulas/players/flash/
 
 Andy
 
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Frank Wales

Matthew Cashmore wrote:
 Working on my install of Ubuntu to - as well as my Mac - which is the main
 thing! Watching Dr Who as I type :-)
 
 Joy.

Doesn't yet work for everything on Firefox/Linux:
  Sorry, Gergiev Conducts Three 20th Century Greats is not available to play 
here.

Presumably, this is because it's from longer ago than yesterday,
since shows from this morning seem to be available.
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Re: [backstage] flash streaming version of iplayer is live

2007-12-13 Thread Frank Wales

Richard Cartwright wrote:
 Is iPlayer the BBC website killer? As Facebook is blocked in more and more
 workplaces due to the amount of time employees spend using it, will
 employees catching up with last nights TV at work cause bbc.co.uk to become
 a blocked site too?

If a company's staff are more inclined to watch TV at work than
getting some work done, they have bigger problems than those that
can be fixed with some overly-broad firewall rules.

I don't think the BBC should be worried about such dysfunctional companies.
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[backstage] Podcast RSS feed

Seriously you think this would have been easy here at beeb towers... But
no... We¹ve been having a bit of an internal bun fight over getting the new
site (which contains a proper solution for the podcasts) live.

So. What we¹ve done is create a dedicated blip.tv channel for the
backstage podcasts (and other associated media).

You can subscribe to the podcasts via this RSS feed

http://bbcbackstage.blip.tv/rss

Alternatively you can subscribe to it via iTunes

itpc://bbcbackstage.blip.tv/rss/itunes/

(yes I know that wont work for everyone)

I hope this will make things easier for everyone :-)

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RE: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

2007-12-13 Thread Toni Sant

Hi Matthew - 

 

Where's the feed to all you podcasts please?

 

Cheers...

 

...t.s.

 



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Sent: 13 December 2007 16:57
To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
Subject: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

 

Well it's podcast time again and yesterday I got the opportunity to
speak to Anthony Rose - head of all things iPlayer here at the beeb. 

We managed to talk for several minutes before DRM was mentioned, but
this is a great listen if you want to know a little about the man behind
the future strategy and tech delivery of the BBC's iPlayer project.

http://blip.tv/file/539117

Or direct download at

http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastWithAntho
nyRose192.mp3

m
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Re: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

On 13/12/2007, Toni Sant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Where's the feed to all you podcasts please?

More importantly, where is the Ogg Vorbis version or the original
uncompressed audio from which to make Vorbis versions?

And can we drop the NC restriction so that it can, for example, be
translated by a semi-commercial community?

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Re: [backstage] Podcast RSS feed

Thanks for sorting that.

On 13/12/2007, Matthew Cashmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Seriously you think this would have been easy here at beeb towers... But
 no... We've been having a bit of an internal bun fight over getting the new
 site (which contains a proper solution for the podcasts) live.

 So. What we've done is create a dedicated blip.tv channel for the
 backstage podcasts (and other associated media).

 You can subscribe to the podcasts via this RSS feed

 http://bbcbackstage.blip.tv/rss

 Alternatively you can subscribe to it via iTunes

 itpc://bbcbackstage.blip.tv/rss/itunes/

 (yes I know that wont work for everyone)

 I hope this will make things easier for everyone :-)

 m
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Re: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

Now available here

http://bbcbackstage.blip.tv/rss

m


On 13/12/07 18:49, Toni Sant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Hi Matthew  
  
 Where¹s the feed to all you podcasts please?
  
 Cheers
  
 t.s.
  
 
 
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 On Behalf Of Matthew Cashmore
 Sent: 13 December 2007 16:57
 To: backstage@lists.bbc.co.uk
 Subject: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast
  
 Well it¹s podcast time again and yesterday I got the opportunity to speak to
 Anthony Rose - head of all things iPlayer here at the beeb.
 
 We managed to talk for several minutes before DRM was mentioned, but this is a
 great listen if you want to know a little about the man behind the future
 strategy and tech delivery of the BBC's iPlayer project.
 
 http://blip.tv/file/539117
 
 Or direct download at
 
 http://blip.tv/file/get/Matthewcashmore-backstagebbccoukPodcastWithAnthonyRose
 192.mp3
 
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Re: [backstage] Interview with Anthony Rose - Podcast

Sorry Dave - we can't drop the NC restriction...

...and we've talked about the Ogg Vorbis version before :-)

Please do feel free to grab the MP3 and encode and make it available in any
format you'd like!

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On 13/12/07 19:29, Dave Crossland [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On 13/12/2007, Toni Sant [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 
 Where's the feed to all you podcasts please?
 
 More importantly, where is the Ogg Vorbis version or the original
 uncompressed audio from which to make Vorbis versions?
 
 And can we drop the NC restriction so that it can, for example, be
 translated by a semi-commercial community?


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