Re: Need some advice on learning perl
David, Octavian, Mr. Randal Schwartz, Shlomy Lan Thank all of you!:) I really didn't expected to receive so many helps from all of you, that really inspired me alot. And I was really stunned when I first saw Randal's name appeared in my reply list... Maybe that's what mail-list is. I think I'll always go to stonehenge to read the columns, since I found it really another way to learn perl, and enjoy the reading. I really want to take part in the programs Shlomy mentioned, but I don't think I'm capable now, since I found that still don't know how to use git. Maybe I have to do more study before I get to know how to take part in it? Anyway, I'll go on my study. 2009/8/11 Ian pcs...@gmail.com Xu, I'm a Mainframe Systems Programmer. Assembler and JCL is the only languages I knew. When I decided to learn perl, I looked for some application I need in my daily routine, bought Randal Schwartz's Learning Perl to get the basics down and just started coding. I ended up writing an application that collects statistics, put them in MySQL and show me nice graphs. When you have a goal, it is easier to learn to use the tools to achieve the goal. If this old mainframer can learn perl you will have no problem with it ;-) Good luck Ian
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 10:22, Xu Peterxzpe...@gmail.com wrote: snip I really want to take part in the programs Shlomy mentioned, but I don't think I'm capable now, since I found that still don't know how to use git. Maybe I have to do more study before I get to know how to take part in it? snip For now all you need to know about git is: * Create a local copy of repository: git clone REPO_URL For instance, git clone git://github.com/shlomif/catable.git If you get a GitHub account and fork catable, you can say git clone g...@github.com:YOUR_USERNAME/catable.git you will then be able to push changes back to you GitHub repo. * After changing a file in the local copy: git add filename * When you are done with modifications for a given feature/bug (all of the files added with add will get committed): git commit * When you want to push changes back to a writable remote repo: git push * When you want to get changes from a writable remote repo git pull You may want to sign up for github.com. This will let you fork projects like App::Catable. When you have your own fork you can push your changes to it and then issue a pull request to other people who have that project on GitHub. -- Chas. Owens wonkden.net The most important skill a programmer can have is the ability to read. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
On Tuesday 11 August 2009 17:22:46 Xu Peter wrote: David, Octavian, Mr. Randal Schwartz, Shlomy Lan Thank all of you!:) You're welcome. Just note that it's Shlomi and Ian - not Shlomy and Lan. I really didn't expected to receive so many helps from all of you, that really inspired me alot. And I was really stunned when I first saw Randal's name appeared in my reply list... Maybe that's what mail-list is. I think I'll always go to stonehenge to read the columns, since I found it really another way to learn perl, and enjoy the reading. I really want to take part in the programs Shlomy mentioned, but I don't think I'm capable now, since I found that still don't know how to use git. Maybe I have to do more study before I get to know how to take part in it? Well, in addition to what Chas. Owens said about git, I should note that http://web-cpan.berlios.de/ (which was one of the projects I mentioned) is using Subversion instead of git, which may be easier for you to get into. If you're not using version control yet, you should really start using it, because developing code without it is not recommended. For more motivation see: * http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/version-control/ * http://better-scm.berlios.de/ * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control I wouldn't recommend using CVS anymore (and Microsoft Visual SourceSafe even less than that), but I still find Subversion pretty decent, despite the fact that I've been working quite a lot with git. You can find some references to other modern version control systems on http://better-scm.berlios.de/ . Subversion, git, Bazaar (bzr), Mercurial, Darcs, and Monotone are all open- source and free, and they seem to be the most popular choices nowadays among open-source developers. Regards, Shlomi Fish Anyway, I'll go on my study. 2009/8/11 Ian pcs...@gmail.com Xu, I'm a Mainframe Systems Programmer. Assembler and JCL is the only languages I knew. When I decided to learn perl, I looked for some application I need in my daily routine, bought Randal Schwartz's Learning Perl to get the basics down and just started coding. I ended up writing an application that collects statistics, put them in MySQL and show me nice graphs. When you have a goal, it is easier to learn to use the tools to achieve the goal. If this old mainframer can learn perl you will have no problem with it ;-) Good luck Ian -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Freecell Solver - http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
Shlomi, Really sorry about the name!:( I will not make the same mistake. And thanks Shlomi Chas, I think git is really popular now, and I think I'll start with that now. 2009/8/12 Shlomi Fish shlo...@iglu.org.il On Tuesday 11 August 2009 17:22:46 Xu Peter wrote: David, Octavian, Mr. Randal Schwartz, Shlomy Lan Thank all of you!:) You're welcome. Just note that it's Shlomi and Ian - not Shlomy and Lan. I really didn't expected to receive so many helps from all of you, that really inspired me alot. And I was really stunned when I first saw Randal's name appeared in my reply list... Maybe that's what mail-list is. I think I'll always go to stonehenge to read the columns, since I found it really another way to learn perl, and enjoy the reading. I really want to take part in the programs Shlomy mentioned, but I don't think I'm capable now, since I found that still don't know how to use git. Maybe I have to do more study before I get to know how to take part in it? Well, in addition to what Chas. Owens said about git, I should note that http://web-cpan.berlios.de/ (which was one of the projects I mentioned) is using Subversion instead of git, which may be easier for you to get into. If you're not using version control yet, you should really start using it, because developing code without it is not recommended. For more motivation see: * http://www.shlomifish.org/lecture/Perl/Newbies/lecture5/version-control/ * http://better-scm.berlios.de/ * http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Revision_control I wouldn't recommend using CVS anymore (and Microsoft Visual SourceSafe even less than that), but I still find Subversion pretty decent, despite the fact that I've been working quite a lot with git. You can find some references to other modern version control systems on http://better-scm.berlios.de/ . Subversion, git, Bazaar (bzr), Mercurial, Darcs, and Monotone are all open- source and free, and they seem to be the most popular choices nowadays among open-source developers. Regards, Shlomi Fish Anyway, I'll go on my study. 2009/8/11 Ian pcs...@gmail.com Xu, I'm a Mainframe Systems Programmer. Assembler and JCL is the only languages I knew. When I decided to learn perl, I looked for some application I need in my daily routine, bought Randal Schwartz's Learning Perl to get the basics down and just started coding. I ended up writing an application that collects statistics, put them in MySQL and show me nice graphs. When you have a goal, it is easier to learn to use the tools to achieve the goal. If this old mainframer can learn perl you will have no problem with it ;-) Good luck Ian -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Freecell Solver - http://fc-solve.berlios.de/ God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read.
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
On Sunday 09 August 2009 12:18:51 Xu Peter wrote: Hi, everyone, This is the first time I post my words on a mail list, so I would be enlighted if it works ... I am a newbie of perl. I have got through some classic perl books, such as Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl, and I did some tiny works on perl, e.g. a Tk helper that helps me with my vocabulary study, and a BBS search engine works under TELNET(which is really poor ... ). I really liked perl since it's really convenient in programming(not only the syntaxs, but also CPAN, e.g. we can use IO::Socket to do network jobs rather than system APIs), and I want to get deeper in learning perl. Does anyone can give me some advice on HOW? My rough idea is : 1. What I need now is more code reading, and maybe write a module of my own? Is there any suggested modules to learn for a beginner? 2. Maybe I am not fully prepared, but I really want to anticipate in some free software projects(or say, devote some of my time to the free software, from where I got lots of help), but I don't know what to start. I maintain a site with resources for Perl beginners here: http://perl-begin.org/ You may wish to go over the pages for links and references. You can also see my recommendations for Perl (and other non-fiction books) here: http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/books-recommends/ I see you want to read other people's code and write some of your own. If you want, I have some Perl projects that may prove of interest to you and that I'd love to get some help with: 1. http://github.com/bricas/cpanhq/tree/master 2. http://github.com/shlomif/catable/tree 3. http://web-cpan.berlios.de/ (and http://svn.berlios.de/svnroot/repos/web-cpan/ ) There are many other Perl projects out there that people could use help with. Other than that, you may wish to read some of Ingy's code, which tends to be very high-quality: * http://search.cpan.org/~ingy/ (Although you should probably avoid using Spiffy for OOP.) Regards, Shlomi Fish Thanks for your suggestions, if possible ... -- - Shlomi Fish http://www.shlomifish.org/ Star Trek: We, the Living Dead - God gave us two eyes and ten fingers so we will type five times as much as we read. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
Xu, I'm a Mainframe Systems Programmer. Assembler and JCL is the only languages I knew. When I decided to learn perl, I looked for some application I need in my daily routine, bought Randal Schwartz's Learning Perl to get the basics down and just started coding. I ended up writing an application that collects statistics, put them in MySQL and show me nice graphs. When you have a goal, it is easier to learn to use the tools to achieve the goal. If this old mainframer can learn perl you will have no problem with it ;-) Good luck Ian
Need some advice on learning perl
Hi, everyone, This is the first time I post my words on a mail list, so I would be enlighted if it works ... I am a newbie of perl. I have got through some classic perl books, such as Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl, and I did some tiny works on perl, e.g. a Tk helper that helps me with my vocabulary study, and a BBS search engine works under TELNET(which is really poor ... ). I really liked perl since it's really convenient in programming(not only the syntaxs, but also CPAN, e.g. we can use IO::Socket to do network jobs rather than system APIs), and I want to get deeper in learning perl. Does anyone can give me some advice on HOW? My rough idea is : 1. What I need now is more code reading, and maybe write a module of my own? Is there any suggested modules to learn for a beginner? 2. Maybe I am not fully prepared, but I really want to anticipate in some free software projects(or say, devote some of my time to the free software, from where I got lots of help), but I don't know what to start. Thanks for your suggestions, if possible ...
RE: Need some advice on learning perl
Xu Peter wrote: I am a newbie of perl. I have got through some classic perl books, such as Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl, ... I want to get deeper in learning perl. I learn Perl primarily though reading books and writing code. STFW, RTFM, studying other people's code, participating in mailing lists and news groups, etc., are also very helpful. I suggest that you get these books next: 1. Perl Cookbook -- provides idiomatic Perl code and good explanations for many common programming chores. It is organized by task, so you can look things up and jump around as needed. I learn/ relearn something useful every time I pick it up; it's the next best thing to a Perl tutor. My Perl skills expanded dramatically once I bought this book. 2. Programming Perl -- *the* language reference book. It is organized by topic; you can also jump around as needed. I eventually read the 2nd edition cover-to-cover over a period of many months; Yowza! I reach for this book whenever I need complete, in-depth information. HTH, David -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
Xu Peter wrote: I am a newbie of perl. I have got through some classic perl books, such as Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl, ... I want to get deeper in learning perl. You are probably interested in perl for some specific tasks, like creating web apps, or desktop aps with a GUI, or other things. Most features offered by perl are offered by the CPAN modules, and in order to be able to recommend you what to learn, it would be good to know what you need to use perl for. For example, if you want to create modern web apps, learn how to use CGI module just for knowing how it works, but don't need to go into details. In this case, you better read the POD docs for Catalyst framework, Template::Toolkit, DBIx::Class, Moose, DBI, HTML::FormFu and other modules you may find useful when reading those docs. If you want to do simple desktop apps for Windows, Win32::GUI docs may help you, and if you want to do portable desktop apps, WxPerl would be the best choice. Other modules may help you if you need to do math, or biotechnology, or data parsing, or other things... Octavian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
Re: Need some advice on learning perl
Xu == Xu Peter xzpe...@gmail.com writes: Xu I am a newbie of perl. I have got through some classic perl books, such as Xu Learning Perl and Intermediate Perl, and I did some tiny works on perl, Xu e.g. a Tk helper that helps me with my vocabulary study, and a BBS search Xu engine works under TELNET(which is really poor ... ). Xu I really liked perl since it's really convenient in programming(not only Xu the syntaxs, but also CPAN, e.g. we can use IO::Socket to do network jobs Xu rather than system APIs), and I want to get deeper in learning perl. Does Xu anyone can give me some advice on HOW? I'd suggest reading all 255 of my magazine articles at http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/columns.html. -- Randal L. Schwartz - Stonehenge Consulting Services, Inc. - +1 503 777 0095 mer...@stonehenge.com URL:http://www.stonehenge.com/merlyn/ Smalltalk/Perl/Unix consulting, Technical writing, Comedy, etc. etc. See http://methodsandmessages.vox.com/ for Smalltalk and Seaside discussion -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: beginners-unsubscr...@perl.org For additional commands, e-mail: beginners-h...@perl.org http://learn.perl.org/
