Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting away
Just a thought here. Could be a colbalt defiency also known as a B12 defiency. Sheep seem to be much more vunerable to disease if the levels are low in their feed. I would definitely take Cecil's advice and worm plus either drench with colbalt sulfate OR inject with B12. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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I would agree with Dayna's recommendation, B12 will also stimulate appetite. Cecil in OKla Dayna Denmark wrote: Just a thought here. Could be a colbalt defiency also known as a B12 defiency. Sheep seem to be much more vunerable to disease if the levels are low in their feed. I would definitely take Cecil's advice and worm plus either drench with colbalt sulfate OR inject with B12. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Just an updated on my issue with sheep dieing. I ended up treating with Corid (amprolium) - assuming it was Coccidia. I directly drenched the one AB ewe that was on deaths door, and she has recovered nicely. She still is very skinny, but is acting very sheep like (eating with the others, etc). I treated the water that was available to the remainder of the flock (10 sheep, 2 steers, and 2 donkeys). Unfortunatly, my one and only Dorper ewe got sick and died yesterday. Surely she was drinking the Corid, but the symptoms were identical to the recent deaths I had over the last few months. She started getting lethargic, loosing weight rapidly, and about a week after symptoms - died. This ewe was about 3 years old, and with my flock for about 8 months. Im concerned that it wasn't Coccidiosis. Their stool has always been normal in appearance. The ewe that just died had a full belly of grass, yet she had lost about 30-40 lbs from the heafty 150ish she weighed when I got her 8 months ago (and most of that in the last 4 weeks). I never did take them to the vet or have a stool/blood sample tested. The treatment of the AB was so promising, and the death of the Dorper so quick, that I wasn't too concerned. The search continues... -- [Blackbelly] Wasting Away Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:41:14 -0700 I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John - At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Have you wormed them? Lately? I would worm the entire flock with Ivomec drench or Panacur Cecil in OKla Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote: Just an updated on my issue with sheep dieing. I ended up treating with Corid (amprolium) - assuming it was Coccidia. I directly drenched the one AB ewe that was on deaths door, and she has recovered nicely. She still is very skinny, but is acting very sheep like (eating with the others, etc). I treated the water that was available to the remainder of the flock (10 sheep, 2 steers, and 2 donkeys). Unfortunatly, my one and only Dorper ewe got sick and died yesterday. Surely she was drinking the Corid, but the symptoms were identical to the recent deaths I had over the last few months. She started getting lethargic, loosing weight rapidly, and about a week after symptoms - died. This ewe was about 3 years old, and with my flock for about 8 months. Im concerned that it wasn't Coccidiosis. Their stool has always been normal in appearance. The ewe that just died had a full belly of grass, yet she had lost about 30-40 lbs from the heafty 150ish she weighed when I got her 8 months ago (and most of that in the last 4 weeks). I never did take them to the vet or have a stool/blood sample tested. The treatment of the AB was so promising, and the death of the Dorper so quick, that I wasn't too concerned. The search continues... -- [Blackbelly] Wasting Away Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) Mon, 18 Aug 2008 10:41:14 -0700 I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John - At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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This is good information. Though I have anything but intensive manangement (I only have 10sheep on 5 acre)I can easily collect a fecal and take it to the vet. Thank you, John At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellyshee p.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 2. (AP) 3. Re: Wasting Away (Onalee Israel) 4. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) 5. Re: Wasting Away (helen) 6. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 7. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 8. Re: Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 9. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400 From: Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: AP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people recommend the use of parsley too. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
Are you close to a University such as Texas AM? It might be worth contacting them and find a vet interested in the problem you are experiencing. Doing a necropsy on the next animal that expires can be very beneficial since you may find out exactly what is causing the problem. Just a thought. Cathy LeapN Lambs On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 6:43 AM, Cathy Mayton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Are you close to a University such as Texas AM? It might be worth contacting them and find a vet interested in the problem you are experiencing. Doing a necropsy on the next animal that expires can be very beneficial since you may find out exactly what is causing the problem. Just a thought. Cathy LeapN Lambs On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Julian Hale [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info -- Cathy Mayton -- Cathy Mayton ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
I would not worry with the fecal before treating for coccidia. In sheep Time is of the essence. The flocking instinct is so great that they are nearly half dead when most humans note a problem. I have lived and worked with my girls for over 10 years. I feel that a problem shows u first in their eyes. Just my $0.02 Cecil in OKla Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) wrote: This is good information. Though I have anything but intensive manangement (I only have 10sheep on 5 acre)I can easily collect a fecal and take it to the vet. Thank you, John At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellyshee p.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 2. (AP) 3. Re: Wasting Away (Onalee Israel) 4. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) 5. Re: Wasting Away (helen) 6. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 7. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 8. Re: Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 9. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400 From: Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: AP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people recommend the use of parsley too. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
They acquired coccidia eating or drinking water contaminated with fecal. What other animals do you have in your farm? What watering system do you have? I had coccidia problem in my herd before but that was when I was raising ducks too. Now I don't have ducks and I reduced the size of the water bucket to a 5 gal pail, also I have a dog watering system and some of my sheep learned how to use it. The pail is over concrete blocks one step over the soil level and that is helping to to keep goats/sheep's hoofs trimmed. My water system is automatic, and at least every week I am cleaning the pail. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Tue, 8/19/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Tuesday, August 19, 2008, 9:40 AM This is good information. Though I have anything but intensive manangement (I only have 10sheep on 5 acre)I can easily collect a fecal and take it to the vet. Thank you, John At 03:07 PM 8/18/2008, you wrote: IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Yes, I would say that coccidiosis is the most likely culprit. Barb Lee has experienced wasting problems, and found out it was coccidiosis. She reported that supplementing selenium seemed to solve her problem, where coccidiostats didn't. Julian -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 5:01 PM To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Subject: Blackbelly Digest, Vol 4, Issue 101 Send Blackbelly mailing list submissions to blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit http://lists.blackbellysheep.info/listinfo.cgi/blackbelly-blackbellyshee p.info or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to [EMAIL PROTECTED] You can reach the person managing the list at [EMAIL PROTECTED] When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than Re: Contents of Blackbelly digest... Today's Topics: 1. Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 2. (AP) 3. Re: Wasting Away (Onalee Israel) 4. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) 5. Re: Wasting Away (helen) 6. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 7. Re: Wasting Away (AP) 8. Re: Wasting Away (Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy)) 9. Re: wasting away (Dayna Denmark) -- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 13:41:02 -0400 From: Pantalone, John A \(GE Infra, Energy\) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John -- Message: 2 Date: Mon, 18 Aug 2008 12:07:59 -0700 (PDT) From: AP [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly
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At 04:34 PM 8/18/2008, Tracy Wessel wrote: This Winter I had several sheep get sore behind. I assumed it was the doing of King Henry, my ram now in the freezer :0. Then I notice one ewe began to lay down a lot, and finally had what looked like pink eye in one eye. I hit her with LA200. Several folks suggested coccidia. This ewe came to me about 6 months prior to falling ill so anything my sheep could have been carriers I suppose. In any case, the ewe recovered, lambed, then 3 weeks later, died after several days of wasting and appearing to stagger and be drunk. I did try the LA200 but too late. That was probably either ketosis (aka pregnancy toxemia, low blood sugar), or more likely hypocalcemia(aka milk fever, low blood calcium). A bucket of warm water with a half cup of molasses after lambing is the best way to prevent/treat ketosis, and a small handful of calcium tablets(or tums) administered with a bolus gun is the best way to treat hypocalcemia. I've never had these problems with my sheep, but my goats have been afflicted many times. After losing a really nice Toggenburg doe, I now routinely treat for both after kidding, just in case. There may be a link between nutritional deficiencies and ketosis/hypocalcemia. Each year there were a few sheep here that got scours and got really thin. The vet felt that those individuals were eating a toxic plant (something yellow, like Buttercup). Other cattle/sheep people I talk to feel that some sheep just can't handle the Spring grass. I have one ewe that just gets sickly each Spring and I keep thinking I'll butcher her. But this year after the grass died, she started laying down a lot. I was going to hit her with LA200 and was concerned she'd fallen to the same fate as the one that died. But she's suddenly appearing better, and has recovered her weight and no longer has scours (until next Spring, unless the new property they are going to has a more agreeable pasture). That's probably grass tetany or staggers, which is a magnesium deficiency usually associated with low soil magnesium levels. You probably should cull the ewe that has that problem every spring, since she'll pass that weakness on to her offspring. Treatment is 50-100ml of a 50% solution of magnesium sulfate given sub-q. Having more legumes in your pasture mix may also prevent the problem, since they tend to be higher in magnesium. Julian ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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You need to check the lower eyelid of your animals to look for signs of anemia, if they have anemia then you need to use dewormer as soon as posible. I have good experience using garlic juice, and oregano to help the dewormer. Normally I gave 2 or 3 cc orally of garlic juice. You would find garlic juice and oregano at the supermarket. Other people recommend the use of parsley too. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 1:41 PM I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of time and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated in 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and B-12 would be a big help, too. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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If it's not nutritional deficiencies and parasites it could be ovine progressive pneumonia (OPP). OPP is a progressive pneumonia that is similar to AIDS in humans, taking at least 2 years to manifest its signs. The virus slowly causes progressive lung damage. Ewes gradually lose stamina and body condition and have serious breathing problems, ending in physical weakness and fatal pneumonia. OPP is transmitted from ewe to lamb primarily through milk. It can be transmitted from infected animals via respiratory secretions. There are tests to determine if the animal has OPP but there is no cure or vaccine. Ovine progressive pneumonia is another example of a purchased disease and certainly underlines the need to be extremely careful when buying the initial flock and any replacement animals. Any animals that test positive should be isolated and culled . Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
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I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep acting puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in your pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms, check for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this year and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and go unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with the nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank goodness that doesn't happen often. Helen ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
I understand that cydectin is not recommended if they are pregnant. Also I understand that cydectin is the last resource after other dewormers proved not to be effective. For sure the new animals bring to much worms or new worms that the other animals were not exposed in so much quantity. A good idea would be to check with they former owner to see what dewormer they were using and how frequently they used and that would give an idea if the worm would be resistant to that dewormer, in that case you would need to use a different type. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, Onalee Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Onalee Israel [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:39 PM Have you wormed your sheep? If not, then I would suggest using either Cydectin or Ivomec (I have had no luck with Safegaurd, it's a waste of time and money). This should be done immediately and may need to be repeated in 2 weeks and then on a regular basis. Giving them an Iron supplement and B-12 would be a big help, too. Onalee ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
Can you give some details about the dieing process of the animals? That would help. Have a great day!!! Andy The biggest mistake people make in life is not making a living at doing what they most enjoy. - Malcolm S. Forbes (1919-1990) ... Notice: This email message and any attachments are confidential, intended only for the named recipient(s) and may contain information that is privileged or exempt from disclosure under applicable law. If you are not the intended recipient(s), you are notified that the dissemination, distribution or copying of this message is strictly prohibited. If you are not the intended recipient, please immediately reply to the sender and delete the message from your email system. Thank you. --- On Mon, 8/18/08, helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: helen [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away To: blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info Date: Monday, August 18, 2008, 3:54 PM I'm a firm believer in Nutri-Drench. I use it anytime I see my sheep acting puny. For whatever ails them, this is a good step. What is growing in your pasture? Check for any of the poison plants, check feces for worms, check for ticks on their skin, especially around the barest areas, ie; udder scrotom, ears, inside and out. We are overloaded with turkey mite this year and have fed DE to help with worms also. So many things can be wrong and go unnoticed without close examination. Good luck. ( We dose our sheep with the nutri-drench 2x's a day and really pump it up when ours get sick.) Thank goodness that doesn't happen often. Helen ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] Wasting Away
In response to many inquiries (and thanks for the responses). I originally suspected Johne's Disease, but the latest victim is only 6months old (I think that would rule out OPP as well). My understanding is that JD takes several years to manifest. Worming: I live in southeast texas where humidity and heat are brutal. My worming pattern is seasonal. Typically during the summer (July-Sept) I worm every 2-3 mnths (I look for signs and try to stretch it). And the remainder of the year I go 3-5months (again looking for signs). I dont do fecals, but I can usually catch bottle jaw pretty quick. I rotate pastures about every 2 months too. I primarily worm with Valbazen (oral), but switch to Ivomec (SubQ or Oral depending on severity) during breading times. Im thinking of going to Cydectin (oral) instead of Ivomec as soon as I run out. I have wormed within the last two weeks so I don't think it is worms. I have just dosed the latest one with Valbazen, we'll see what happens. Poisons: I suspected that too, except all my sheep flock together, and I have had sheep on the pasture for 3 years now. It may be inorganic, but the others don't seem to be showing signs (knock on wood) I may have to bite the bullet and take it to the vet. I just hate to spend the money and find out they don't know (or its incurable). But then again, I don't want to loose the whole flock. -Original Message- From: Pantalone, John A (GE Infra, Energy) Sent: Monday, August 18, 2008 12:41 PM To: 'blackbelly@lists.blackbellysheep.info' Subject: Wasting Away I have had 3 sheep in the last two months die from progressively wasting away. From the moment I notice thin ribs and hips, it takes about 1-2 weeks for them to die. I noticed another one today and am at a loss. I have tried administering antibiotics (LA200 and B12), but they seem to die within a day or two anyway. These sheep have been with me for a few years (or born here), however, I have recently (about 4mths ago) introduced several Royal White Sheep to my flock. The mature Royal Whites had scrapies ear tags. My original flock had never been tested. They all eat grass regularly (with a bit of grain) and get minerals. Anybody have any ideas? John ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away could be coccidiosis
IT certainly could be coccidia. If they are experiencing bloody scours, then coccidia would be almost certain. Corid is the drug of choice for coccidia. Sulfa also works. There is a new drug called MARQUIS for coccidia. I have not had a problem with this for so long I forgot. I did a quick review of the symptoms and sometimes coccidiosis presents without bloody scours. It damages the intestinal lining so this would explain the wasting away. My memory is beginning to fail me some on these diseases/symptoms. Cecil in OKla Dayna Denmark wrote: Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
Re: [Blackbelly] wasting away
here is a link http://www.case-agworld.com/cAw.LUcocc.html Cecil in OKla Dayna Denmark wrote: Just reading up on Coccidia. Could be another possibility given the age of the sheep and the weather you have been experiencing. Dayna Denmark Half Ass Acres ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info ___ This message is from the Blackbelly mailing list Visit the list's homepage at %http://www.blackbellysheep.info
