RE: SOT: Sad Day
I'm not going to comment on the situation, other than to clarify that it wasn't my decision to leave the CFCM position. What I can tell you is that I really enjoyed working with the CF Community, and the comments I've seen on and off the lists have been very uplifting to me right now. You guys are great! I'll continue to be around, mostly just lurking for a while. -Vern Andrew Tyrone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:I don't understand why everyone jumps to the conclusion that MM is cutting back. Maybe Vernon left because he wanted to, who knows. As with the Contribute thread (I'm glad I made an OT sub-folder for cf-talk), people start assuming and making stuff up before they know the whole story! On that note, I am glad that Vernon will be around as he's a good voice of reason to this list, at least in my opinion. -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:Jebebox;earthlink.net] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 10:35 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: SOT: Sad Day Yeah.. really.. what happened? Vernon has been very resourceful to this community.. i mean.. i got several post replies from Vernon quite late at night. Vern keep good track of issues and problems So whats the deal MM cutting back? Joe -Original Message- From: Jeffry Houser [mailto:jeff;farcryfly.com] Sent: Monday, November 11, 2002 9:15 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: Sad Day I'm sure the question on everyone's mind is What happened? Wasn't it about a year ago where they actually added this position? At 03:50 PM 11/11/2002 -0800, you wrote: Hey Sandy, You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be taking some time to relax, but you'll be seeing me around. I'll be able to spend more time working with CF and the other MX software, so I'll be here and in the forums participating as a member of the community! -Vern Sandy Clark wrote:Just heard that Vernon is no longer CF Community Manager at Macromedia and that in fact, he isn't at Macromedia any longer. Anyone knowing his personal email address. Please let him know that Sandy would like to continue emailing with him ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks Sandra Clark Shayna Productions http://www.shayna.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Re: SOT: Sad Day
Hey Sandy, You can reach me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll be taking some time to relax, but you'll be seeing me around. I'll be able to spend more time working with CF and the other MX software, so I'll be here and in the forums participating as a member of the community! -Vern Sandy Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Just heard that Vernon is no longer CF Community Manager at Macromedia and that in fact, he isn't at Macromedia any longer. Anyone knowing his personal email address. Please let him know that Sandy would like to continue emailing with him ([EMAIL PROTECTED]). Thanks Sandra Clark Shayna Productions http://www.shayna.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Studio MX
Hey Kreig, Thanks for sharing your ideas here regarding the obsticles some CFers have with Dreamweaver. I've heard a variety of issues mentioned, some of which you touch upon, some of which you don't. The Dreamweaver development team actually has a special group of folks dedicated to working out some of these issues for CFers. You may have heard that at DevCon, there was a special session where CFers discussed their thoughts about Dreamweaver and, Dreamweaver and HS+/CFStudio aside, what their ideal IDE would be like. I think you'll find that Macromedia continues to work to provide CFers and other developers with the best possible IDEs, be it in HomeSite+ or in Dreamweaver. If you haven't already, please be sure to share your thoughts on this with the Dreamweaver team by submitting your feedback at: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 The more feedback they get via this form, the more likely they will be able to provide you with a tool you're completely happy with. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Kreig Zimmerman [mailto:kkz;foureyes.com] Sent: Friday, November 08, 2002 8:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Studio MX OK. Enough of the sermonizing as to why people are using this that and the other; why coders are coders and designers are designers and the twain shall never meet; and all sort of idiotic posturing. There are THREE (3) core reasons that people whom have been in use of ColdFusion Studio have as a problem with Dreamweaver MX: 1) It is SLOOW. Slow, as in molasses-slow. I have a PIII/866 at work, 256MB RAM, and it hangs up and plays spin-the-cursor constantly on me. This is ludicrous. What is the recommended platform? PIV+512MB RAM? What kind of test platform were you using, Macromedia? 2) Text-searching. When you are doing coding, you need good and fast find/replace, and most importantly, REGEX searching. Dreamwaver MX has piss-poor support for these, eons below CF Studio's functionality. 3) Buggy. Need I say any more? I don't care whether you use Mac or PC, there is too many bugs that come a-cropper at the worst possible moments for Dreamweaver MX to be useful for any sort of truly useful productivity. Add on top the aforementioned issues, and CF Studio (on PC) is the way to go (still). As a sop, however, I will give one absolute positive: 1) Site Management. This is a neat feature. Unfortunately, it does straight time-stamp comparison instead of byte-length; unfortunately, it too is buggy; however, it si just about the only thing I use Dreamweaver MX for. Improve it slightly, and we are yours forever. PS What exactly is the purpose of Contribute? Is that FrontPage MX? How useful is it to any non-technical people--really? What is the point? ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Dreamweaver MX -- planned full support for .NET?
David, We haven't yet announced a new version of Dreamweaver, nor any features which a new version might have. I know that more .NET support is something that the Dreamweaver team is very interested in. (And they're also very interested in more/better support for CFML too!) The best thing to do is send your request directly to the Dreamweaver team by using the Feature Request and Bug Report form at: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 They'd be very interested in hearing your needs, and the more requestors, the more likely it is to happen! Thanks, Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Macromedia Certified Professional CF Blog: http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: David Notik [mailto:dave;digital202.com] Sent: Thursday, November 07, 2002 9:58 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Dreamweaver MX -- planned full support for .NET? Hi all: I'm an avid ColdFusion developer (been using it since 3.0, used to author daily CF tips), but I also strongly believe in utilizing different technologies based on the project and keeping a diverse skill set. Recently I completed a project in .NET (C#) at www.jpay.com http://www.jpay.com/ . We used Visual Studio .NET as our environment, but it has tons of quirks. I love Dreamweaver MX. I know Dreamweaver MX has limited support for writing .NET apps (it has a ASP.NET toolbar for dragging and dropping some common elements), but does anyone know whether Macromedia plans more complete support such as better code-behind functionality, compile functionality, and autocomplete (for dynamically showing list of properties when you type a control name, for instance) as is of course supported for CF files? In most cases I'd say an app shouldn't try to be everything, but I think Dreamweaver MX already does an amazing job of keeping everything comprehensive and clean while still packing in tons of power - so it would rock if I could fully use it for ASP.NET so I can ditch VS.NET, and just use one application for web development (or the bulk of it, anyways). Thought I'd ask since there are a lot of people on this list very knowledgeable about Macromedia products in general. --D ### David Notik Digital202, LLC Imagination gone digital. Web: http://www.digital202.com/ www.digital202.com E-mail: mailto:dave;digital202.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] Office: (206) 575-1717 Mobile: (206) 351-3948 ### ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Devcon Files
For those of you who attended DevCon 2002, presentations will be posted to a web site in the next two weeks. You'll be able to view the presentations online and download handouts and code samples. The URL and your user name/password will be distributed to conference attendees by email in the next week. Look for this email for access information. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:fmamone;videotron.ca] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Devcon Files Hi Andy, I'm not sure how the users who attended can prove that they were there, but if you can think of something let me know. I would really like the username and password. Maybe MM can email the attendees the URL and login for those who lost the newsletter. Seems most of us have. Vernon, can you help with this? Thanks - Original Message - From: Andy Clary [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:20 PM Subject: Devcon Files Here is the url: http://www.macromedia.com/go/devconpresos I'll refrain from posting the username and password, in fairness to those who paid to go to devcon. Andy ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Devcon Files
Hey Lee, I'm sorry for your family emergency. Unfortunately, I don't know of any plans to make the files generally available, sorry. You might want to contact customer service, I don't know what they might be able to do in regards to this, but if something can be done, they'd be able to find out quickly. http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/cscontact I'd offer to help here, but honestly, it's really part of the purchase of admission, and I can't give it away on lists, even if there's a good reason why you weren't there. I hope that makes sense, and doesn't seem like I'm insensitive. :\ -Vern -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:leelistnew;primedna.net] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 11:22 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Devcon Files Vernon, Unfortunately, due to a family medical emergency, I was not able to attend. Will others be able to get this info as well? | -Original Message- | From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe;macromedia.com] | Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 9:23 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Devcon Files | | | For those of you who attended DevCon 2002, presentations will | be posted to a web site in the next two weeks. You'll be able | to view the presentations online and download handouts and | code samples. The URL and your user name/password will be | distributed to conference attendees by email in the next | week. Look for this email for access information. | | Vernon Viehe | ColdFusion Community Manager | Macromedia, Inc. | -- | Macromedia Certified Professional | CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com | | -Original Message- | From: Frank Mamone [mailto:fmamone;videotron.ca] | Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 8:36 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: Re: Devcon Files | | | Hi Andy, | | I'm not sure how the users who attended can prove that they | were there, but if you can think of something let me know. I | would really like the username and password. | | Maybe MM can email the attendees the URL and login for those | who lost the newsletter. Seems most of us have. | | Vernon, can you help with this? | | Thanks | | - Original Message - | From: Andy Clary [EMAIL PROTECTED] | To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 9:20 PM | Subject: Devcon Files | | | Here is the url: | | http://www.macromedia.com/go/devconpresos | | I'll refrain from posting the username and password, in fairness to | those | who paid to go to devcon. | | Andy | | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux?
We've figured out what to do, just trying to get it all ship-shape to get it out to ya! -Vern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:todd;web-rat.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 3:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Any word on Apache 2 support for CF5/Linux? Yeah, and the latest and greatest apache is 2.0.43 ... and, until Macromedia figures out what to do to resolve the magic number that continues to keep changing, nothing can be done about that. Vern mentioned that they are working on it (for the next updater?) On Wed, 6 Nov 2002, Dave Watts wrote: Isn't Apache 2 still considered beta? No, Apache 2 is gold, and is the recommended platform according to the Apache Group. This is especially true if you're running Apache on Windows - Apache 1.3.x was always considered beta quality on Windows by the Apache Group. If it's not considered beta anymore, then why is Apache 1.3.x still being maintained? I've seen MORE security issues with 2.0 lately than I have with 1.3.x (and, I would have to say that 1.3.x is the mature software here). There are a lot of people sticking with Apache 1.3.x, as far as I can tell. There have been a lot of significant changes in the module architecture in Apache 2, and you can't get all the modules that are available on Apache 1.3.x. Also, to add to that, there have been significant changes between Apache 2 point releases, which is why CFMX doesn't work with 2.0.42, for example. Dave Watts, CTO, Fig Leaf Software http://www.figleaf.com/ voice: (202) 797-5496 fax: (202) 797-5444 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Query Builder In Dreamweaver MX
It's not the same as in Studio. You do queries in Dreamweaver by adding a recordset using the application panel. -Vern -Original Message- From: Double Down, Inc. [mailto:hbrauer;doubledowninc.com] Sent: Wednesday, November 06, 2002 4:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Query Builder In Dreamweaver MX Does Dreamweaver MX have the same kind of query bilder that was in studio? If so, how do I access it. TIA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: IIS MX (Setup)
Yeap, it's in the documentation. If you installed in the default location, you'll find that at: C:\CFusionMX\wwwroot\cfdocs\Installing_ColdFusion_MX\contents.htm Choose Chapter 2, Configuring your System. Then it's easy to find from there, configuring for IIS. It's pretty straight forward. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Macromedia Certified Professional CF Blog: http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: W Luke [mailto:will;lukrative.com] Sent: Tuesday, November 05, 2002 2:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: IIS MX (Setup) Hi. In CF4.x I was able to manually setup IIS (Win2k) to recognise .cfm templates and ask CF to process them (by directing it to the correct DLL). (I only needed to do this when IIS was removed or changed, or had to be re-configured) I originally installed MX under its own web-server port, as IIS wasn't installed. Now that IIS has been installed, do I need to install MX again in order to map everything over to IIS, or can I do it manually ala CF4.x? Cheers Will ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: cfmx sp1
http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/software/trial/hwswrec.jsp?product=cfmx_updater -Original Message- From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony;navtrak.net] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:27 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: cfmx sp1 where can I grab that so that I can rule out that lack of upgrade as an issuefor all the issues we are seeing...thanks! .tony Tony Weeg Senior Web Developer Information System Design Navtrak, Inc. Fleet Management Solutions www.navtrak.net 410.548.2337 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: The Squeaking Wheel
No firm date yet. As per usual, until the final bits are in hand, we can't even hint at an ETA. But I can assure you we're anxious to get it out as quickly as possible. =) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:MHaggerty;mbda.gov] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 1:49 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: The Squeaking Wheel This message is for anyone from Macromedia: Any word when the new Apache connector for CFMX will be released? I know this has been brought up in the forums time and time again. Just checking again to see if anyone has a date. M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Custom Tags
That's right! http://www.macromedia.com/software/trial Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Rob Rohan [mailto:rob;cardinalweb.com] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:55 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Custom Tags Is that right! Nice. Thanks Doug, I'll try it -Original Message- From: Doug [mailto:doug;dwhite.ws] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 4:53 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Custom Tags download the evaluation version - it is supposed to revert to a single user developer after the evaluation period has expired. This address is filtered through the open relay database at http://www.ordb.org and is virus scanned by ANTIVIR http://www.dwhite.ws mailto:doug;dwhite.ws - Original Message - From: Rob Rohan [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, November 04, 2002 6:46 PM Subject: Custom Tags | I want to develop some custom tags at home, but I do not have access to a CF | server. Is there a way (legally) that I can get a CF developer only version | (for Linux) without buying anything (and doesn't expire)? anybody have any | Links? | | If not, I remember some one posting something about blue dragon (or | something like that) - does that product have a free version (single ip only | is fine) | | any suggestions? | | Thanks, | Rob | | http://treebeard.sourceforge.net | http://ruinworld.sourceforge.net | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: macromedia dev exchange
Hmm, just confirmed the same thing here, and it doesn't look good. I'll report it. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. Macromedia Certified Professional CF Blog: http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Chad [mailto:cgray;careyweb.com] Sent: Friday, November 01, 2002 9:24 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: macromedia dev exchange Anyone else having trouble logging into the Macromedia developer's exchange? I hit login and a bunch of information that looks like it should be written to a cookie is puked on the top of the page. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?method=subscribeforumid=4 FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Dreamweaver MX and RDS
You need to defined your sites, just as in Studio, you have to provide the RDS info. Just need to add a local root folder for Dreamweaver, as it will place the working copy of any file you're editing in there. Dreamweaver needs to know the root of your site, so that when you use any of the features which require paths, you don't have to re-enter the path info each time. As for it stalling opening the file, try clicking on the file and use the get button to bring the file down locally, then try opening it again. Maybe that will help? Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Harold Brauer [mailto:hbrauer;doubledowninc.com] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Dreamweaver MX and RDS I am having problems connecting to through RDS in DreamweaverMX to one of my servers. I can see the list of files, but when I try to open up a page it takes forever and then times out. Could a problem be that I am running CF5 on the server? Also is it worth it to define sites in DreamweaverMX or just use my regualr mappings. TIA ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash in email? Re: *** GREAT IDEA *** DING DING DING*** RE: OT RAGE
The Flash/Video blog entries I did for DevCon work via e-mail, so I'd have to assume there's no difference on Flash remoting things either. To the best of my knowledge, it would be the same in Outlook/Outlook Express as it is in IE, because those actually use the same IE engine. -Original Message- From: jon hall [mailto:jonhall;ozline.net] Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 4:14 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Flash in email? Re: *** GREAT IDEA *** DING DING DING*** RE: OT RAGE I know a some email clients can natively display flash now (OE and Mozilla come to mind). Do the remoting features really extend to the plugin when viewed in an email? That's really groovy...makes me glad I don't use one of those clients, but raises some interesting possibilities nonetheless. -- jon mailto:jonhall;ozline.net Thursday, October 31, 2002, 6:58:00 PM, you wrote: SY That's a brilliant idea! SY Maybe this would be going to far but how about a small, unobtrusive flash SY footer so that votes can be sent transparently (via remoting) rather then SY popping up windows...participation may be higher. SY Stace SY -Original Message- SY From: Tony Weeg [mailto:tony;navtrak.net] SY Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 6:47 PM SY To: CF-Talk SY Subject: *** GREAT IDEA *** DING DING DING*** RE: OT RAGE SY GREAT IDEA BRIAN! SY rock on mikey, heck, it shouldnt be too hard to code either SY tw SY -Original Message- SY From: Brian Scandale [mailto:Brrrian;Excite.com] SY Sent: Thursday, October 31, 2002 5:56 PM SY To: CF-Talk SY Subject: Re: OT RAGE SY Michael, SY Why not add a Click Here to kill this thread. SY If X number of people vote to kill it... It's killed programmatically. SY X=25? 30? 35? 50? ... 35% of the last weeks posters??? SY Ten or more different ways to kill it... be creative. Then it becomes a SY user moderated list... the users can kill the nonsense. SY At 01:56 PM 10/31/02, you wrote: Yes, And to add to a ridiculously off-topic thread: there is a lot of validity to the study of ebonics. Insofar as linguistics goes, it's been proven that many of the syntactical structures of so-called SY Ebonics can be traced to African roots, and the earlier creoles spoken by the original African migrants to North America. Unfortunately, this has gotten parodied in the mainstream media as a defense of bad English and slang. However, the study of ebonics has nothing to do with slang. That most people believe this is so, shows their own ignorance of the topic at hand. So put down the copy of The National Review, and read something that was actually written in the SY field. What you find might just surprise you. Dwayne Cole wrote: Personally, Isaac, I thought your comments were hilarious! Ebonics was the biggest joke to ever come out of the educational establishment and not enough fun could be poked at the idea. And Prof. Cole, if you can't see that the bigger joke is ebonics itself, you need to come out of that ivory tower and visit the real SY world. Lighten up...ebonics was a ridiculus idea... Rick Rick, Unless you are a linguistics, you too are showing your ignorance and SY your opinion. It's ridiculus for a ColdFusion specialist to denigrate SY the hard work of committed linguistics. I'm familiar ebonics research SY and people in the field, pro and con, at least respect the arguments. = Prof. Dwayne Cole, MS in MIS, MBA Florida AM University Certified Advanced ColdFusion Developer 850-591-0212 It can truely be said that nothing happens until there is vision. But SY it is equally true that a vision with no underlying sense of purpose, no SY calling, is just a good idea - all sound and fury, signifiying SY nothing. The Fifth Discipline - Peter Senge SY ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Weird glitch installing CFMX
If you reinstall again, delete the C:\CFusionMX directory before reinstalling - note that you might need to reboot after an uninstall to delete that directory. Also, you can check out this blog entry for some info on manually adding the appropriate IIS mappings via command line: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/2002_08_11_vvmx_archive.html#80236919 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Troy Montour To: CF-Talk Sent: 10/25/2002 10:21 PM Subject: Weird glitch installing CFMX Hello everyone its been awhile.. but was wondering if anyone has ran into this problem and have a fix. I was resetting up my development computer and decided to also upgrade my CF5 server to MX. well when I had everything done something was wrong so was forced to reinstall. so I ran the uninstallers and removed everything to start from scratch. so started re-installing and now the install is stuck in standalone mode like its not detecting IIS.. anyone have any suggestions as I like to have this install set-up to mimic my hosting server. Thank you Troy Montour ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links?
It's in the open/save dialog. So, click the yellow folder/path button for any picture, link, or anything else where you have to go into the Windows open/save dialog to choose the file, and rechoose the same file, but change the drop-down to relative to document instead of Site root. This setting sticks for all subsequent operations, unless you change it again. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Owen Leonard [mailto:oleonard;frognet.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 8:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links? How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links? Isn't there a checkbox in the object palette where you can tell Dreamweaver whether or not to make links root-relative? It's been a while since my demo expired... -- Owen ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
Apache 2.0.4x connector
Hey CF Apache 2.0.4x users, I've got an update on what we're doing for the ever changing magic number on Apache 2.0.4x: We will be releasing the source code to the connector so that one can recompile when needed for Apache 2.0.4x releases. The schedule is not finalized, but it will be in via a future release of the Updater. We'll get the word out when this happens, but might want to keep your eye on the update page as well: http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/downloads_updates.html Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie
Hey Adrian, The CF MX Developer Study Guide by Macromedia Press will be available in December 2002. The Evaluation Kit is now available from the online store, for those who want a CD instead of downloading the trials. It contains all of the MX product trials (and the CFMX Trial/Developer's Edition - CFMX Trial reverts to the Developer's Edition at the end of 30 days when the trial expires). http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/store/US/product.jsp?category=/BooksVideos/Misc/TrialCDtype=FULL In addition to the trials CD, there's an additional CD which contains a first-hand look at all the amazing things you can do with the new MX products. I haven't seen this new first-hand look CD, so at the moment, I can't describe it any futher than that. I hope this helps! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:adrian.l;thoughtbubble.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie Any news on the release of the CFMX study guide and the CD version of CFMX Developers Edition? Cheers Adrian Lynch Thoughtbubble Ltd -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.net Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: SOT: How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links?
Uhmm, bless Sean, but... How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links? This is a setting in the site definition: It's in the open/save dialog box, when you link to an asset (page, pic, swf, whatever). The setting is sticky. On a related subject, how do you have it open the frameset for editing? About 90% of the time when I open a frameset document Dreamweaver opens the first frame instead. DWMX will show the entire page - with frames loaded - in Design View. True, but you may be asking how to open the frameset, instead of the individual frame contents. Answer for that: Open the parent frameset - it will display within it the default frame contents. PS: If anyone who matters is listening, can we have the old dreamweaver back that didn't F your code up every time you opened, saved, closed or breathed near it. WHAT? You mean some older version of DW never munged code, but MX does? Now that's the first time I've heard that! I can't argue that DWMX doesn't munge code functionality because I've heard it mentioned several times. But I *STILL* haven't seen a reproducable example of anything other than reformatting - not denying it, but would like to see example that I can turn over, so it can be fixed. And I've definatley gotten the word on reformatting - and I'm pushing that it be changed that only *necessary* code be touched, instead of reformatting whole doc when just adjusting one table. (But let's don't get too far into DWMX - if you have suggestions/comments, use the wish-form copy paste to me, because I'm collecting CFers DWMX suggestions/rants etc) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:sean;corfield.org] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:07 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: SOT: How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links? On Tuesday, Oct 22, 2002, at 08:13 US/Pacific, James Smith wrote: How do I stop DreamweaverMX adding a / to the front of all my links? This is a setting in the site definition: absolute vs relative links. Hmm, I can't find it now. Well, it used to be a setting in DW4 but it seems that DWMX always creates site root-relative links based on the local folder location. It seems the assumption is that a 'site' is always a 'root' on the server. I guess you have defined a site where your local folder is not at the root? On a related subject, how do you have it open the frameset for editing? About 90% of the time when I open a frameset document Dreamweaver opens the first frame instead. DWMX will show the entire page - with frames loaded - in Design View. If you switch to Code View, you should see just the frameset itself. Personally, I don't like and don't use frames... Come back CFStudio, all is forgiven. You can still use CF Studio (or HomeSite+). PS: If anyone who matters is listening, can we have the old dreamweaver back that didn't F your code up every time you opened, saved, closed or breathed near it. If you turn off code rewriting, and take note of certain 'translator' restrictions (documented in a tech note - I don't have the info to hand but I remember blogging it a while back... to do with cfinclude getting munged) then you should be OK. Conform! Consume! Obey! -- Mr Snaffleburger : http://www.matazone.co.uk/theotherside.html ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater releas e
TechNote 23464 provides a summary of some of the known issues with Macromedia ColdFusion MX. Fixes for these issues are currently being investigated for potential inclusion in an upcoming release of the ColdFusion MX Updater. Inclusion or exclusion in this list does not guarantee inclusion or exclusion from future releases of the ColdFusion MX Updater. http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23464Method=Full Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CFMX Problem...
I saw something very similar to this recently discussed on CF Guru... Stacy, does this ring any bells for you? Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Gary W. Sullivan II [mailto:gws2;bryant.edu] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:19 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Problem... Hi everyone. I've been running CFMX on my development server for about 4 months now, and everything seemed to be happy until now. I've been noticing page generation errors in certain subfolders, and this is really scaring me because I am supposed to move our production server to CFMX next week :-( The error is as follows: CreateProcess: jikesw -g -nowarn -d D:\CFUSIONMX\wwwroot\WEB-INF\cfclasses D:\CFUSIONMX\wwwroot\WEB-INF\cfclasses\cfindex2ecfm75902457.java error=2 You can see for yourself at: http://development.collettevacations.com/certified I've run the CFMX update, and I even went into the cfclasses directory on the harddrive and deleted the above said java class, but I still get the same damn error. Anybody have any clues as to how to fix this? Thanx in advance, Gary W. Sullivan II Web App Developer - Collette Vacations ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater re leas e
Hey Maurius, Let me highlight some of the text that preceeds the list, and try to elaborate a bit: This TechNote provides a summary of *some* of the known issues with Macromedia ColdFusion MX. Fixes for *these* issues are currently being investigated for *potential* inclusion in an upcoming release of the ColdFusion MX Updater. *Inclusion or exclusion* in this list *does not guarantee inclusion or exclusion from future releases* of the ColdFusion MX Updater. Basically, this (should?) mean that not all issues reported to us are on this list. These are the ones that have been chosen for consideration in an upcoming updater release. There may be issues included in the updater that aren't listed here. Most importantly, there are other known issues, and we know that many of those issues are very important to the community. Hopefully, issues that didn't make it onto this list for consideration for the next updater will end up on a list for a subsequent updater - but we haven't gotten this one out the door yet, so we haven't firmed up anything beyond what's on this technote. If there's an issue you'd like to see addressed as part of an updater, and it's not on this list, you can vote for that issue by turning it in on the feature request form (even if you already have reported it, so do it as a vote. I got this form the horse's mouth, so please do so!) http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=3 Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Marius Milosav [mailto:mmilosav;scorpiosoft.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:31 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater releas e Is this list the final cut for the next updater? I haven't seen any mention for the null problem throw once in a while by CFMX server, http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=3threadid= 410762highlight_key=ykeyword1=null Connection reset by peer, error http://webforums.macromedia.com/coldfusion/messageview.cfm?catid=10threadid =423645highlight_key=ykeyword1=Connection%20reset%20by%20peer cffunctions that should participate in transactions declared outside of the function All of this issues have been reported (for a couple of months now) and quasi acknowledged by MM as bugs Thanks Marius Milosav www.scorpiosoft.com It's not about technology, it's about people. Virtual Company (VICO) Application Demo www.scorpiosoft.com/vicodemo/login.cfm - Original Message - From: Vernon Viehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater releas e TechNote 23464 provides a summary of some of the known issues with Macromedia ColdFusion MX. Fixes for these issues are currently being investigated for potential inclusion in an upcoming release of the ColdFusion MX Updater. Inclusion or exclusion in this list does not guarantee inclusion or exclusion from future releases of the ColdFusion MX Updater. http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=23464Method=Full Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database?
This is something we're really interested in doing, but there's a lot involved in the technical challenges and policies. It's being actively discussed, but I don't have any news beyond that, sorry. The TechNote I just published, while still a long way from what you're looking for, is a step in that direction. And for Matt Liotta's benefit: We're working on it. ;) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:jebmail;earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database? Vernon, I understand that you and MM team have been working on issues with CFMX. I was wondering.. if you can post current issues/bugs with CFMX and bugs status on MM site? Something like what sun has on Java.. check it out.. i really like this.. it makes a developers day.. http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/ Thanks Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database?
ok, small thing, but to be fair to the person who worked so hard on the TechNote, I didn't publish it, I publicized it. (The name has been omitted to protect the innocent. You know who you are, thanks!) -Vern -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe;macromedia.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:44 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database? This is something we're really interested in doing, but there's a lot involved in the technical challenges and policies. It's being actively discussed, but I don't have any news beyond that, sorry. The TechNote I just published, while still a long way from what you're looking for, is a step in that direction. And for Matt Liotta's benefit: We're working on it. ;) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:jebmail;earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database? Vernon, I understand that you and MM team have been working on issues with CFMX. I was wondering.. if you can post current issues/bugs with CFMX and bugs status on MM site? Something like what sun has on Java.. check it out.. i really like this.. it makes a developers day.. http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/ Thanks Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie
Download = Free CD = Very cheap (sorry!) Not sure about the change in schedule, but if you could bring about world peace, I'll bet they'd bend over backwards to adjust the publish date just for you. ;) -Vern -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:adrian.l;thoughtbubble.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 10:18 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie Nice one Vernon, December is miles away, any chance of getting it out earlier, just for me :OD I was hoping there would be a free trial/developers edition that you guys would be sending out on CD. Ade -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:vviehe;macromedia.com] Sent: 22 October 2002 18:09 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie Hey Adrian, The CF MX Developer Study Guide by Macromedia Press will be available in December 2002. The Evaluation Kit is now available from the online store, for those who want a CD instead of downloading the trials. It contains all of the MX product trials (and the CFMX Trial/Developer's Edition - CFMX Trial reverts to the Developer's Edition at the end of 30 days when the trial expires). http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/store/US/product.jsp?category=/BooksVid eos/Misc/TrialCDtype=FULL In addition to the trials CD, there's an additional CD which contains a first-hand look at all the amazing things you can do with the new MX products. I haven't seen this new first-hand look CD, so at the moment, I can't describe it any futher than that. I hope this helps! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Adrian Lynch [mailto:adrian.l;thoughtbubble.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 9:28 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX question for Ben and Debbie Any news on the release of the CFMX study guide and the CD version of CFMX Developers Edition? Cheers Adrian Lynch Thoughtbubble Ltd -- United Kingdom http://www.thoughtbubble.net Ph: +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 -- The information in this email and in any attachments is confidential and intended solely for the attention and use of the named addressee(s) . Any views or opinions presented are solely those of the author and do not necessarily represent those of Thoughtbubble. This information may be subject to legal, professional or other privilege and further distribution of it is strictly prohibited without our authority. If you are not the intended recipient, you are not authorised to disclose, copy, distribute, or retain this message. Please notify us on +44 (0) 20 7387 8890 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: SCC API implemented in Dreamweaver MX?
Hi Stephen, This sounds like a question for the experts in creating DW extensions. There's a forum for that. You have to go through a sign-up formality, but it's a breeze, and once done, you'll get further info on how to access that forum: http://www.macromedia.com/support/dreamweaver/extend/form/ Hope this helps! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Stephen Collins [mailto:trib;acis.com.au] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 12:54 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: SCC API implemented in Dreamweaver MX? I've been researching the possibility of directly interfacing CVS with Dreamweaver MX and have come across information regarding Microsoft's SCC (Source Code Control) API, which was implemented in CF Studio and Homesite. Given the evolution of these tools into Dreamweaver MX, I'm wondering if anyone is aware whether Macromedia has extended hooks into this API to Dreamweaver MX. If this IS the case, it is theoretically possible that a tool like Jalindi Igloo (www.jalindi.com/igloo) could be made function with Dreamweaver MX. I know that for my work, this would be an absolute bonanza. Can anyone enlighten me as to whether SCC hooks are present in Dreamweaver MX? Steve C ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database?
Acknowledged. That's why we're really interested in providing such a thing for you. I'm sorry if my post below wasn't clear on that. -Vern -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:jebmail;earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 1:33 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database? Vernon, There are lot of issues that are brought up on this discussion forum, some of which are genuine bugs/issues with CFMX.. It would great to have a database of MM acknowleged bugs/issues.. This saves us developers a lot of time and effort writing test code... fighting issues. This can also help us know.. some issues/bugs currently been worked and we dont have to start screaming at MM on CF-Talk. Joe On Tue, 22 Oct 2002 14:43:31 -0400 Vernon Viehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: This is something we're really interested in doing, but there's a lot involved in the technical challenges and policies. It's being actively discussed, but I don't have any news beyond that, sorry. The TechNote I just published, while still a long way from what you're looking for, is a step in that direction. And for Matt Liotta's benefit: We're working on it. ;) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:jebmail;earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 11:36 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Issues/Bugs Database? Vernon, I understand that you and MM team have been working on issues with CFMX. I was wondering.. if you can post current issues/bugs with CFMX and bugs status on MM site? Something like what sun has on Java.. check it out.. i really like this.. it makes a developers day.. http://developer.java.sun.com/developer/bugParade/ Thanks Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater re lease
I know that's been raised here, and it's under consideration, but I don't have any information on that yet, sorry. When/if I do...I'll let everyone know. Thanks, Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:Jebebox;earthlink.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater release Does MM have plans to support Oracle 9i AS? Joe ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater re lease
I don't know what all the considerations under discussion regarding this might be, sorry. But for those who want it, be sure to get your request in - the more the better! http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=3 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Doug [mailto:doug;dwhite.ws] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 6:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater re lease I hope it is because that is the database of choice for the Dept of Defense now, replacing Sybase, and MSSQL. By MM failing to support it, will be curtains for ColdFusion with the DoD (Includes the military services.) Doug Oracle DBA This address is filtered through the open relay database at http://www.ordb.org and is virus scanned by ANTIVIR http://www.dwhite.ws mailto:doug;dwhite.ws - Original Message - From: Vernon Viehe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 7:51 PM Subject: RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater re lease | I know that's been raised here, and it's under consideration, but I don't have any |information on that yet, sorry. When/if I do...I'll let everyone know. | | Thanks, | | Vernon Viehe | ColdFusion Community Manager | Macromedia, Inc. | -- | Macromedia Certified Professional | CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com | | -Original Message- | From: Joe Eugene [mailto:Jebebox;earthlink.net] | Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2002 5:45 PM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: Known CFMX issues under consideration for upcoming Updater | release | | | Does MM have plans to support Oracle 9i AS? | | Joe | | ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Relationship posts
Sorry Micheal. We'll get it moved over. Thanks for your guiding hand! -Vern -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: 10/20/2002 3:16 PM Subject: Relationship posts In the last few weeks the CF-Talk list has been inundated with off topic posts about the relationship between the ColdFusion community and Macromedia. These discussions are important and should continue as a healthy debate, but they are NOT technical in nature. In order to try and keep the CF-Talk list to technical questions about ColdFusion, I'd like to suggest that those who want to discuss Macromedia and their practices subscribe to the CF-Partners list. If that list does not sound like the proper list, please email me personally with a new name for the list and I'll take it into consideration. Thank you for helping keep this technical list valuable to the community at large. Only you can help the growth of ColdFusion knowledge, only you Michael Dinowitz Master of the House of Fusion http://www.houseoffusion.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Macromedia Alliance Contact Info Update
Hey Bryan, I checked on this. There was some issue with Raymond's address and the e-mail system. If you're trying to reach Raymond, you can send to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Why the e-mail: We wanted to make the process as easy for partners as possible, which is why we asked them to update the email. We would love them to go online to do it, but thought it might be easier to work from the email. In the future, we hope to have a web based form that will update the db automatically, but we weren't able to get that ready in time for this instance. Hope this answers it for ya! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Bryan Stevenson [mailto:bryan;electricedgesystems.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 9:03 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: OT: Macromedia Alliance Contact Info Update Hey All, Did anyone get an e-mail from a Raymond Yu asking you to update you're Macromedia Alliance Contact info? It seemed kind of odd that they would want you to make changes via e-mail as opposed to logging in to the partner area and updating it there. I tested the reply-to address and it bounced saying there was no such address. Could we be looking at someone doing some screen scraping or just a really un-organized MM employee? Cheers Bryan Stevenson B.Comm. VP Director of E-Commerce Development Electric Edge Systems Group Inc. t. 250.920.8830 e. [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Macromedia Associate Partner www.macromedia.com - Vancouver Island ColdFusion Users Group Founder Director www.cfug-vancouverisland.com ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise?
Hey Greg, I think there's some disconnect somewhere here, can you clarify for me if the following doesn't sort it out? You're raising the cost of entry by differentiating the Enterprise and Pro editions along the lines of a basic programming construct (specifically, JSP tags) for the first time in the history of the product. I think we were talking about the Developer's Edition, which has the same features as the Enterprise edition (full featured, except as noted for separately installed bits like ClusterCats and failover, etc), so I'm not getting how that applies to the Developer's Edition IP limitations. If I missed a point shift to There is a cost and feature difference between Pro and Enterprise I would have to agree that that there is, but I'd also point out that it's been that way in the previous versions as well, so it's not really anything new, although the particular feature is new, so specifics on that particular feature don't relate to previous versions. I do understand you're talking about programming construct feature difference, and that is a point that I can and will pass along, thanks. For ongoing development needs, purchasing a licensed development server currently is part of setting up shop, like purchasing the development server hardware. I haven't seen any calls for free development hardware, but if those companies start to give away free development hardware, we'd be able to get this request through easily. =) Let's not be flippant, shall we? Production costs for copies of hardware vs. software are two different things. Sorry if my use of a little levity to illustrate the point offended you, as that was not my intention. But the notion that another copy of the intellectual property doesn't cost anyone anything is also used by pirates to position their crime as harmless, and from what I've seen, I think few here would agree with that. Now I'm NOT saying that this free thing would or would not yield increased sales, but I'm not going to debate that, because none of us here get to make those business decisions, and any such debate wouldn't accomplish anything, except to foster splits among those who don't agree. What we *can* do is tell decision makers what we want/need. That's where my role comes in, because I passed along the communty's feedback regarding this, and will continue to do so. 'If you want support from the vendor, then go elsewhere.' No one from Macromedia has said any such thing, period. We support developers in many ways, not among the least being the many Macromedia employees who participate on CF-Talk. On this specific issue, we support developers by offering the trial/developers edition for free. It's just not fair to extrapolate the above quoted statement because the support we provide doesn't immediately change to go as far as you think it should. This kind of thing doesn't support the case for change, but can weaken it. Feel free to contact me directly if you'd like to further discuss this. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -- Macromedia Certified Professional CF blog at http://vvmx.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: Greg Bullough [mailto:gwb;outofchaos.com] Sent: Friday, October 18, 2002 4:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise? At 09:19 PM 10/17/02 -0400, Vernon Viehe wrote: I don't see where we're raising the cost of entry, we actually dropped the price of Pro alot. You're raising the cost of entry by differentiating the Enterprise and Pro editions along the lines of a basic programming construct (specifically, JSP tags) for the first time in the history of the product. The difference between $1000 and $5000 is the increase. The developer's edition is not intended to serve all development needs in all circumstances, Why call it 'developer's edition' then? Why not call it 'random collection of function that we hope some people may find useful?' it's intended to serve a single developer in their daily work. For occasional proof of concept demos, there are creative alternatives such as installing the trial/dev on a fresh system and demo'ing within 30 days, or putting the demo up at a CF hosting service. Oh great. I'll just put the demo system up on my laptop and demo it within 30 days, and EITHER THROW AWAY THE LAPTOP OR REINSTALL THE WHOLE OS NEXT MONTH WHEN I NEED TO DO THE SAME THING. That makes sense. This is why I get infuriated with the software vendor types (of which I was once one) who get paid regardless. They seem to forget that the time I may spend screwing around trying to get around the shortcomings in their thinking is time I probably DON'T get paid for billable work. For ongoing development needs, purchasing a licensed development server currently is part of setting up shop, like purchasing the development server hardware. I haven't seen any calls for free development
RE: DevX slowwww
We know it has performance problems regularly, and is among the parts of the site being re-engineered, not sure of the exact ETA, but it's coming. I'm asking if there's anything unusual going on in the last week. I'll report back here if I find out anything useful, but if they're unaware of anything, at least they now have these comments as feedback about possible recent performance issues. Thanks -Vern -Original Message- From: Samuel R. Neff [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 11:01 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: DevX slo Yes, I've experienced the same issue with searches taking several minutes to load or not loading at all. Date: Wed, 16 Oct 2002 12:18:53 -0400 From: Valerie L. Criswell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: DevX slo Message-ID: 000b01c2752f$bad10b50$[EMAIL PROTECTED] Is anyone else experiencing the same slowness problem with the MM Developer Exchange? What's up? It's been like this for over a week now that I've noticed. Mighty frustrating! ~Val ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion?
This is an evolving industry, no doubt. We recognize the trend of decision making moving up the chain from developers to IT managers, and there we've got resources devoted to communicating the CF story with those folks in ways meaningful to them - but my area is here in the developer community. Our approach has been to create new opportunities for organizations to use ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers, but at the same time, to continue to support the existing CF market. There will always shifts in who's using what, and with that, job opportunities sometimes move around. I know that's little comfort to anyone who has to look for a new job, but I think the direction we're going is on track for success in expanding opportunities in the aggregate for all involved with ColdFusion. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Trey Rouse [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 10:38 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? I mostly agree with your position that CFML is a more rapid development tool than j2ee. However, I think when you take a longer view and consider performance, security factors, availability of work force, and most importantly: range of vendor support, the ground rapidly falls out from under CFML solutions. But, more directly to the point you bring up, and why things happen the way they do... In my experience, platform decisions and systems support for these platforms are made at a tier above the development side of a large organization. Often times it is summarily decided far up the corporate ladder. I know in our scenario, the systems folks that urged us to move up to site licensing want us to recoup costs by not running tandem technologies where not critically necessary. You're argument still stands true, but in reality developer departments rarely carry enough decision making clout in most corporate or educational bureaucracies to drive these decisions. Unfortunately, we all have a hard time making this argument, and when we do, we mostly sound like we are just defending our turf. In my experience, solutions like j2ee seem to be winning in the enterprise marketplace as our desperate development teams can openly share code and effort between sub organizations without additional licensure. Since j2ee code is far more easily distributed onto different vendor servers. When we factor in the duplication of effort that exists with some groups running cf and others running j2ee, the fact that cf is more rapid begins not to hold as much water. Trey Rouse Rice University -Original Message- From: Haggerty, Mike [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 3:30 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? I agree with your argument that the marketplace is not entirely to blame for the problems the Cold Fusion platform is facing esp. in enterprise solutions. What I always want to ask people who look at this from a cost standpoint is (and I ask this with all due respect): Do you pay your developers to code? Are you aware of the difference in the number of lines of code written to accomplish the same thing on each platform? I support several Cold Fusion and JSP applications and Cold Fusion by far is geared towards faster rapid application development. I've seen CF projects that take two days to complete take two weeks to port to JSP, and JSP projects reengineered in CF take one-fifth the development time. Different developers can have different opinions on what the actual time to production savings is, however, I have yet to meet anyone who says they can get work done faster in JSP than CF. I realize that different platforms have different nuances which are difficult to measure. But it is surprising to me that no one will try to take up cost savings in development time over a year as the justification for running Cold Fusion on top of J2EE. Maybe it is because no one has produced a study or has hard metrics to back up the assertion, I don't know. But production time is an intangible that affects the bottom line just like anything else, and is ignored at one's peril. M ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion?
A Yankee Group report from Oct 2001 (AFAIK it's the latest on the topic) lists CF as the #2 platform used in IT infrastructure/intranet applications. As for increasing the attractiveness of ColdFusion for high-volume large enterprise sites, we think we've taken a big leap forward on that by recently releasing CFMX for J2EE so that both existing and new CF apps can be scaled as a business's needs grow. IBM is marketing this to its customers, in addition to the other flavors of it which are available. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 1:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? Huh?! That makes no sense whatsoever. How does being eminently suitable for high-volume sites in any way negate the reality that it's widely used for internal applications? And, of course, internal apps are frequently far, far more data intensive than public sites and are heavily trafficked to boot. Ken -Original Message- From: Greg Bullough [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 4:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Hidden CF factor was RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion? This whole 'Hidden CF Factor' sort of reminds me of 'Wagner's music is better than it sounds' or perhaps 'Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain.' What hogwash! Basic statistics tell us that there is probably as much 'hidden' (read: 'intranet') ASP, PHP, and J2EE, proportionately, as their is CF. On the other hand if MM *insists* that CF is 'more pervasive than the visible penetration would indicate' then that puts the lie to what Allaire and MM have said all along...that CF is eminently suitable for high-volume sites in which usage patterns are unpredictable. In all, they can't have it both ways, now can they? :-) Greg ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise?
The Dev edition in CF5 only allowed the local machine to connect, so the extra IP address was a step in this direction on CFMX. But I'd be interested to know how many folks feel strongly about this, so I can pass it along. -Vern -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 16, 2002 5:37 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Developer Edition wish was Re: Pro v Enterprise? On Wednesday, October 16, 2002, at 05:04 PM, Sean A Corfield wrote: On Wednesday, Oct 16, 2002, at 16:28 US/Pacific, Greg Bullough wrote: In doing so, you have not only hobbled a lot of development paradigms where people develop on Pro and deploy on Enterprise Clusters Given that the Developer Edition is effectively a dual-IP Enterprise version, I'm not quite sure how common your development paradigm would be? I'm not too familiar with how CF folks work in general... My team have Developer Edition installed on every desktop and laptop and have Enterprise Edition installed on all the shared servers (yeah, I know, we don't have to pay for it - I'm just reporting how we operate is all!). I'm genuinely curious about the setup most folks use... Sean and others -- I have a wishlist item I would like to see included in a future release (update). Like Sean I use the developer edition on a Mac TiBook, I deploy on other platforms, usually shared hosts. I have found a couple of instances where the 2-IP limit is restricting demonstrations and testing. I would like to see it expanded to 3 or 5 -- anything that would allow a little more flexibility, without enabling it to be used for production (protecting Macromedia's interests). I think this could be done -- others have a similar arrangement. If I recall, Sybase Developer allows 25 db connections and Oracle Developer is similar. Anyone else see a need for this? TIA Dick The first time I see a jogger smiling, I'll consider it. - Joan Rivers - ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)
Vince wrote: Having said this, it should be noted that there are discrepancies between the documentation and actual implementations, and differences between the CF5 and CFMX implementations. Also, there are certain well-known authors who tend to publish CFML examples that are at odds with the documentation, but which happen to work on one or both of the CF5/MX implementations; these examples tend to then assume pseudo-official status among the CFML community. Code examples which work but are at odds with the documentation tend to be that way for a reason. Most likely, it may not work in future versions (engineers know a lot about where they are headed in future versions), and if it's not documented as officially supported then it may not be included in backwards compatibility engineering. Developers should be very leary of using such code, and if used, at least keep good notes so it can be located during a future migration for debugging/correction. On the other point that that there are discrepancies between the documentation and actual implementations, I'd have to say that's basically a bug, be it incorrect documentation, or incorrect functioning. Be sure to report anything like this. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Other than the part about a parser (BlueDragon is much more than that), I absolutely agree. Here's New Atlanta's position regarding the CFML standard: 1) There is only one CFML standard, which is defined by: (a) the specifications as represented by Macromedia's published documentation for CF5/CFMX; and, (b) the reference implementations, that is, CF5/CFMX. (Having said this, it should be noted that there are discrepancies between the documentation and actual implementations, and differences between the CF5 and CFMX implementations. Also, there are certain well-known authors who tend to publish CFML examples that are at odds with the documentation, but which happen to work on one or both of the CF5/MX implementations; these examples tend to then assume pseudo-official status among the CFML community. All of this makes life very interesting when trying to implement a compliant CFML server). ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)
But at least with custom tags, you can readily install that functionality on a new server installation - not quite the same if moving between CF another CF-like server. -Vern -Original Message- From: Hugo Ahlenius [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 6:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Regarding the addition of tags to non-Macromedia implementations of CFML-parsers/application-servers: I can't see any problem at all, as long as there are new additions they should just be seen as customtags implemented in the server. It is not much different than having a different set of custom-tags, on different servers. Something that could cause problem would be if behaviour/implementation would differ between parsers in the standard-set of tags... /H. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control
WebDav is also supported. It would be super-helpful to let the DW team know what source control flavors you want to see - more requests for a flavor = more demand = higher priority for inclusion in future. I know they want to include more source control options...so get your $.02 in! http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hey Vernon! About Source Control Does Dreamweaver MX support any source control integration other than Visual SourceSafe...like the way CF Studio supported a wide array of tools via Microsoft's SCC API? The documentation only appears to address using Visual SourceSafe with it with all other source control options totally ignored. Or if you can point me to where that is documented I'll read it myself. Thanks, Ken ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control
Not to split hairs, but about 70% of the features from CFStudio were included in DWMX. The other 30% would not be considered bugs (officially speaking). While they are no less important to those who miss/need a particular feature(s), feature request would be the correct option. =) -Vern -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control I'll certainly submit it. The obvious first idea would be to provide, at the very least, the level of support that was already in CF Studio/Homesite since many of us alrady use that. That support of Microsoft's SCC API provided lots of options and is a glaring omission from Dreamweaver...unless, of course, it already supports it without the fact being documented. Thanks, Ken Ps: Failure to provide previous level of support for the scc api looks like a bug to me rather than an enhancement request. Which do I check off on the form? :) -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 1:00 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control WebDav is also supported. It would be super-helpful to let the DW team know what source control flavors you want to see - more requests for a flavor = more demand = higher priority for inclusion in future. I know they want to include more source control options...so get your $.02 in! http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hey Vernon! About Source Control Does Dreamweaver MX support any source control integration other than Visual SourceSafe...like the way CF Studio supported a wide array of tools via Microsoft's SCC API? The documentation only appears to address using Visual SourceSafe with it with all other source control options totally ignored. Or if you can point me to where that is documented I'll read it myself. Thanks, Ken ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control
What DW has (of it's own) is not really source control, I would say it's site management (link mgmnt, ftp, file synching, and so on). -Vern -Original Message- From: Candace Cottrell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 10:16 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Hey Vernon! About Source Control Am I tripping, or doesnt DW have its own source control? Candace K. Cottrell, Web Developer The Children's Medical Center One Children's Plaza Dayton, OH 45404 937-641-4293 http://www.childrensdayton.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 10/15/2002 12:59:52 PM WebDav is also supported. It would be super-helpful to let the DW team know what source control flavors you want to see - more requests for a flavor = more demand = higher priority for inclusion in future. I know they want to include more source control options...so get your $.02 in! http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Ken Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 15, 2002 9:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Hey Vernon! About Source Control Does Dreamweaver MX support any source control integration other than Visual SourceSafe...like the way CF Studio supported a wide array of tools via Microsoft's SCC API? The documentation only appears to address using Visual SourceSafe with it with all other source control options totally ignored. Or if you can point me to where that is documented I'll read it myself. Thanks, Ken ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: How Good is the Job Market for ColdFusion?
The enterprise penetration of MX has been weak. MM would blame this on the marketplace, but I'm not sold on this. Server version upgrade cycles in the enterprise app-server space is around 12 months, according to those I've discussed it with. We're really only about halfway through the cycle at this time. The overall installed CF base is pretty healthy, and growing. Here's a partial list of existing CF sites we use for PR/marketing: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/proven/ Even considering the upgrade cycle in the enterprise app-server world, the list of CFMX enterprise sites is growing every day. The following are a few of the CFMX sites recently sent to me: http://www.ecoprimalquest.com/ http://www.logitech.com/index.cfm?countryid=19languageid=1 http://www.panasonic.com.au/hometheatre http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/ (some CF, some dynamic Flash content, some just plain HTML) http://www.reservations.broadmoor.com We know a lot of enterprise-level customers have upgraded to CFMX and are in the upgrade cycle - but they don't always report back to us when they go live with CFMX, so feel free to send me sites that you know of too! In addition to this stuff, consider the ways Macromedia is expanding the CF market: *Ground-up rewrite in Java: This expands CF capabilities, as well as makes CF an option to the enterprise-level sites which want the benefits of deploying on a the Java platform and the rapid app dev (RAD) offered by CF. It also means current CF customers have a way to move up to the Java platform without requiring they abandon their existing apps (or their CF developers). Admittedly, this has been a challenging release of CF for some, but once the dust settles, CF and the CF community will enjoy this huge leap forward. *We're working to deliver the information developers need to help them be successful with ColdFusion and our other technology offerings: www.macromedia.com/desdev *We're tappiing into new markets for CF: -With Flash remoting, the HUGE Flash community is getting turned on to CF. While one can purchase Flash remoting for ASP, Flashers taking to CF readily because of it's shorter learning curve and RAD capabilities. -Dreamweaver users: OK, before you pile on me about this one, I'm not trying to debate the CFStudio/HS+ vs. Dreamweaver issue for CFers. Dreamweaver is ~80% of the HTML editor market, and these folks are moving into the dynamic application/web app development space in droves. Dreamweaver MX makes their entry into the CF arena a snap with its built in server behaviors that cover the most basic stuff, and CF's shorter learning curve and tagged based syntax makes CF a very attractive for these new application developers. *We've delivered innovative products that are more integrated and work more smoothly with each other than ever before, offering one-stop shopping for industry leading technologies. This also means that we can deliver well integrated technologies, and better information for those who are integrating these various technologies. But we've also worked to remain somewhat agnostic with many of these innovations; many (most) of these innovations integrate with 3rd party products/platforms. Individually, one may not be positioned to take advantage of everything we offer surrounding CF, but we see businesses moving into these areas as they begin to plan and implement new projects, and bring additional technologies skills into their shops. It's been said Macromedia should concentrate on CF improvements and fixes and forget everything else, but our efforts across the board are not mutually exclusive. We've already released one CFMX updater, and another is fortcoming. Macromedia is fully behind ColdFusion and ColdFusion developers. Yes, there is definately room for improvement, as is evidenced by some of the more lively discussion on this list recently. But we do listen to and incorporate to the community's feedback, while we continue to innovate. Unfortunately, sometimes we can't talk about everything happening, even in the face of (emerging) competition. But that shouldn't be misread as an indication that nothing is happening behind the scenes. I personally think the economy has stifled some of the payoff from Macromedia's efforts, it's stifled just about everything involving economics! But eventually you will start to see these efforts start to pay off for ColdFusion and CF developers. Nay-sayers can say spout gloom and doom if they will, but CF is on the way up. We're just gettin' started! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists
RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?)
Absensce of immediately visible features fixes in response to discussions in the community doesn't mean the community is being ignored. We can't talk about many things the CF team is doing in response to the community needs, but there's lots going on, much of it in response to feedback from the CF Community. The first updater was released not long ago, and I think I can at least reveal that another is in the works. There's not been official announcement yet, so there's not yet an official ETA. But don't tell'em I told you. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Eugene, Joseph [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 2:26 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Great... i think i am starting to like Blue Dragon, atleast they are receptive and want to listen to developers problems and issues It might be time to look at other options. do you have an idea for a favorite new CFML tag or function, but your request has fallen on deaf ears? Let me know what it is and I'll see if we can get it implemented in BlueDragon. Joe -Original Message- From: Vince Bonfanti [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Yep, understood. That's why we're also planning to support the GetPageContext() function (though not in the service pack). We're hopeful that if we introduce anything that's truly useful in the way of new tags or functions that Macromedia will choose to implement them in CFMX. Here's an thought: That might give Macromedia some incentive to also implement it in ColdFusion. Vince Bonfanti New Atlanta Communications, LLC http://www.newatlanta.com -Original Message- From: Mosh Teitelbaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 4:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: BlueDragon (was RE: How is CFMX J2EE implemented?) Not that I think the idea behind the newly introduced tags are bad (in fact, quite the opposite) but I'm kind of surprised that you're introducing new tags at all. I realize that your intent with Bluedragon is probably not to be cross-platform compatible (backwards compatible?) with Macromedia's product, but this splitting, if you will, of the CFML language kind of worries me. Kind of like the early M$ vs. Netscape days when each company would introduce their own variants of HTML. -- Mosh Teitelbaum evoch, LLC Tel: (301) 625-9191 Fax: (301) 933-3651 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] WWW: http://www.evoch.com/ ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Dreamweaver MX's analog for 'F9' in CFStudio
f-4 The menu item is: Window Hide Panels -Vern -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Dreamweaver MX's analog for 'F9' in CFStudio In Studio, when you're working, you can hit F9 to hide the panels on your left, giving you more real estate for your overall work area. This is nice if you follow it with a F12 to view your work as you go, and I have developed a habit of hitting F9 followed by F12 rapidly to view a page at almost maximum size. Now, I've set up my Dreamweaver MX to Homesite Style and am trying to figure out how to duplicate the same feature. I want to be able to hit a keystroke and hide that narrow left panel. I realize I can customize Dreamweaver's keyboard shortcuts, but I'm even having trouble finding what that panel hiding move is called to even assign a shortcut to it. Any help? Any idea what I'm even talking about? Note that in CF when you hit that F9 you still have access to your insert menu at the top, and when you hide the panels in Dreamweaver by clicking with the mouse it works the same way, you hide that left panel, while still retaining you insert menu. When you simply hit F4 to hide panels, which I'm aware of, you hide ALL the panels, which is different than just closing that left side shut. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Dreamweaver MX's analog for 'F9' in CFStudio
Wow, you're right. Anyone reported this yet? Workaround, keep insert panel open! -Vern -Original Message- From: Todd [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:51 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX's analog for 'F9' in CFStudio Vern, I want to mention that ... this only works if the Insert panel is open available (meaning, it hasn't been removed from the DWMX panel sets via close). If the only panels that you have on your DWMX are: File Application (like mine, I tend to get rid of things I don't need)... the F4 / Hide Panels thing is useless and does not work. ~Todd At 05:25 PM 10/14/2002 -0700, you wrote: f-4 The menu item is: Window Hide Panels -Vern -Original Message- From: Jeff Small [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, October 14, 2002 5:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Dreamweaver MX's analog for 'F9' in CFStudio In Studio, when you're working, you can hit F9 to hide the panels on your left, giving you more real estate for your overall work area. This is nice if you follow it with a F12 to view your work as you go, and I have developed a habit of hitting F9 followed by F12 rapidly to view a page at almost maximum size. Now, I've set up my Dreamweaver MX to Homesite Style and am trying to figure out how to duplicate the same feature. I want to be able to hit a keystroke and hide that narrow left panel. I realize I can customize Dreamweaver's keyboard shortcuts, but I'm even having trouble finding what that panel hiding move is called to even assign a shortcut to it. Any help? Any idea what I'm even talking about? Note that in CF when you hit that F9 you still have access to your insert menu at the top, and when you hide the panels in Dreamweaver by clicking with the mouse it works the same way, you hide that left panel, while still retaining you insert menu. When you simply hit F4 to hide panels, which I'm aware of, you hide ALL the panels, which is different than just closing that left side shut. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: ENOUGH was RE: LONG time CF Supporter)
Hey CF-Talk'ers, It seemed most appropriate post this as a reply to the message below from Michael regading this thread. I really appreciate Michael's efforts hosting this venue for CFers to share technical help, information, perspectives and concerns with each other, as well as Macromedia personnel like me. Hosting this list is a mostly thankless job, and Michael does an awesome job. Thanks Michael! (This response may be a little longer than normal, you may want to grab a cup of coffee. =) As my job is two-fold, I want to let you know what I've heard as the bigger issues for the CF community raised in these recent threads, and convey any info on those issues I have for you now: 1. Some developers are not happy that they are required to provide a credit card number when contacting support. Nothing to report to you all yet, as this will be the first time I've raised this issue internally. 2. Developers would like more insight into the bug submission and handling process, as well as a way to readily find info about known issues. This has come up on several occasions before. We're very interested in addressing this need, and we're currently investigating what we might be able to provide, largely due to your feedback. If/when I have some firm info, I'll announce it here (if someone doesn't scoop me!) 3. There is a desire for more information on best practices documentation / input from Macromedia. This is already being investigated internally, again because of your feedback, but I don't yet have any ETA. It may be more challenging than it seems - I've personally seen it discussed on several CF lists, and the only thing that folks seem to agree upon is that they disagree about what best practices should be. But most agree each shop should establish standards that all in the shop should follow. Internally, we are working to narrow down how we can best address the CF community's request for officially sanctioned best practices, especially with any sorts of universally applicable best practices. Meanwhile, we're all relying upon the books written by the CF gurus for guidance in this area, even many of us within Macromedia. There are additional sentiments expressed by some that I'll relate internally, including (but not limited to): * Macromedia is bigger and seems more impersonal than Allaire was. * Macromedia doesn't seem to be prioritizing ColdFusion as highly as expected. * Macromedia is sometimes inconsistent in it's communications. But that's not all! I'll also communicate internally the various CFMX-specific issues expressed by Lee and others (actually, I've already begun doing that). But, I'll also urge anyone having critical CFMX issues to utilize our Technical Support, especially if you can't resolve your issue with the help of the lists and the Macromedia forums. Tech Support will either be able to help you, or let you know it's a known but not-publicly documented issue, or they will gather the specific info the engineers need regarding previously unknown/unconfirmed issues which prevent a resolution of your issue. All reports I've received are that Tech Support has been very fair about whether to charge for an incident or not. BTW, I understand that the standard on this is whether the bug/issue is undocumented - not just if it's a bug, so read the docs thoroughly if you're concerned about this. And, I'll repeat my promise - contact me directly off list if you don't think support handled your incident fairly and professionally, and I'll investigate your incident. I've got the full backing of Macromedia management in that promise, but I've not yet had anyone take me up on it. As I wrap this up, I want to acknowledge that many issues have been raised, and there are many facets to each issue. If I didn't address a particular concern, let's continue to talk about it. We'll continue to discuss on this list (and other venues) those issues which are important to the CF community. If your concern or issue is regarding your individual situation, please feel free to contact me off list. Thanks, Vernon Viehe Servers Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. [EMAIL PROTECTED] (remove NO-SPAM) P.S. If anyone feels the needs to flame me, can you wait till later in the day? I live on the west coast, and I miss out on the real-time action if everyone on the east coast goes at it first thing in the AM. Good Morning! =) -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 2:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: ENOUGH ALREADY PLEASE RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About read y to dump CF! I let the thread continue because I felt that it did much more good than harm to the list. On one side we heard what the community thought of certain MM related issues. As MM is listening to this list (with a number of ears), the concerns are being heard. Because there were so many voices speaking the concerns
RE: Can we help? (was RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready t o dump CF!)
Cameron suggested: An upgrade center at MM.com wouldn't be totally uncalled for either. Grouping KB articles, the upgrade guide, etc all in one place for people to refer to when they are upgrading. I can't promise anything but to put the idea forward (which I just did before writing this reply), but I like the idea alot. Thanks Cameron! -Vern Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Thanks Michael! I was about to wave my hands and ask What am I, chopped liver? Rick, maybe it was Jesse's comment including me when he said monitoring this list in not our fulltime job - that was (inadvertantly) not perfectly accurate regarding my duties, though admittedly, I do have to spread myself out amongst the various lists and forums for CF, as well as actually work to make progress internally on community issues. I also have other community responsibilities such as arranging Designer Developer content, organizing Team Macromedia volunteers for ColdFusion, and other less visible activities that support the community. Nevertheless, I take it as valuable criticism that you didn't realize that I'm supposed to be fulfilling this role, and try to act upon that (well, for the most part, respective of the comments Sean made regarding direct support in these venues). I hope my note here gives more visibility to how we can work together on those things which support the community. Thanks, Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:57 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) That person is Vernon, basically. He's the CF community manager for MM. Of course, there are others from MM on the list that do monitor and answer questions such as Sean, but when the internal responsibility comes around, Vernon's the guy. And personally, I think he's doing a great job. I've just been monitoring the thread, but from what I've read earlier, this and maybe other CF-lists and other software lists might be worth assigning someone to, to monitor and respond to as their day job. Public relations and perception can make or break a company these days and it seems to me, especially with a company the size of MM, that there would be funds to hire a Mailing List / Forum Troubleshooter who is an expert in the software AND its use in production who could provide a first response technical support to users, free of charge...public relations people who are not experts in the software and its use are really not always helpful, except to soothe the frayed nerves of customers whose businesses are falling apart because they can't get things working. And sometimes you need an answer in minutes, not hours or days. After providing first response, let the Troubleshooter then decide which issues should be taken into the formal chain of technical support. One of the great benefits of public lists like this and the support one can get is that the support is public and not isolated in a support network. Solve it for one, you solve it for many. Cuts down on MM's formal support requirements. I believe this Troubleshooter position should be formal, paid, and full-time, because it's in MM's and the CF (et al) community's best interest. Would that work? Rick Rick Faircloth, Prism Productions -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a misintepretation of doom and gloom for CFMX within the recent threads, I'd like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers highlighting the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to continue using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. Threads like the one yesterday, if you go back and read them, degenerated into a series of throw it out the door and I won't be buying it etc, etc, etc. People need to realize that yes while software might have issues, and they do want help publicly, there are other people who are reading these mediums who are directly making decisions based off of the words of the people within this community. If I was a new CFMX customer, and I read the threads from the past few days(weeks) I would send my boxed copy back to macromedia saying that was fun, no? New users, and on the fence users are strongly influenced by the posts here and on the forums by you, the cf luminaries. I have in fact advised a few people either within the Long time CF supporter thread and also outside of it during the last couple of days, to go ahead and try CFMX for themselves, despite having some very obvious problems myself - which, I am still working on solving at the moment after 3 days - I believe I'm starting to see where
RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom)
Hey Rick, Actually, my signature says Developer Relations, not Public Relations. Public Relations is a different group. But I often conveniently tell my friends I work in Technical PR, so I'm not saying you're completely off-base. But, my job goes beyond that, from voicing your expressed concerns internally, to reporting back to you, in addition to other community stuff (touched upon in another message). Many in our group, including me, were part of Technical Support before organizational changes, and have worked as technical support engineers. I admit, I'm no Ben Forta, but that's why I have several of Macromedia's technical gurus (like Sean) out here with me, including the occasional visit by Ben himself. I'm still hoping for that brain-dump thing-a-majigg (v 1.1), so I can be an instant Ben Forta! -Vern -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 11:49 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) Hi, Michael. But didn't I see in Vernon's signature line that he is Public Relations? I was just wondering if MM had a formal assignment of technical people, like those in the technical support network, whose job it is to work with the community on lists/forums like these? Are there any? If it were my company, I'd have somewhere all over these lists. Where the community gathers is where MM needs to be. Rick -Original Message- From: Michael Dinowitz [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:57 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) That person is Vernon, basically. He's the CF community manager for MM. Of course, there are others from MM on the list that do monitor and answer questions such as Sean, but when the internal responsibility comes around, Vernon's the guy. And personally, I think he's doing a great job. I've just been monitoring the thread, but from what I've read earlier, this and maybe other CF-lists and other software lists might be worth assigning someone to, to monitor and respond to as their day job. Public relations and perception can make or break a company these days and it seems to me, especially with a company the size of MM, that there would be funds to hire a Mailing List / Forum Troubleshooter who is an expert in the software AND its use in production who could provide a first response technical support to users, free of charge...public relations people who are not experts in the software and its use are really not always helpful, except to soothe the frayed nerves of customers whose businesses are falling apart because they can't get things working. And sometimes you need an answer in minutes, not hours or days. After providing first response, let the Troubleshooter then decide which issues should be taken into the formal chain of technical support. One of the great benefits of public lists like this and the support one can get is that the support is public and not isolated in a support network. Solve it for one, you solve it for many. Cuts down on MM's formal support requirements. I believe this Troubleshooter position should be formal, paid, and full-time, because it's in MM's and the CF (et al) community's best interest. Would that work? Rick Rick Faircloth, Prism Productions -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 9:52 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: The Myth of Bugs (Was Huge Ungainly thread of Doom) Whilst I agree with your general point that there's possibly a misintepretation of doom and gloom for CFMX within the recent threads, I'd like to also point out that from what I can see, the developers highlighting the problems are actually seeking help from Macromedia in order to continue using CFMX - NOT in order to give up on it altogether. Threads like the one yesterday, if you go back and read them, degenerated into a series of throw it out the door and I won't be buying it etc, etc, etc. People need to realize that yes while software might have issues, and they do want help publicly, there are other people who are reading these mediums who are directly making decisions based off of the words of the people within this community. If I was a new CFMX customer, and I read the threads from the past few days(weeks) I would send my boxed copy back to macromedia saying that was fun, no? New users, and on the fence users are strongly influenced by the posts here and on the forums by you, the cf luminaries. I have in fact advised a few people either within the Long time CF supporter thread and also outside of it during the last couple of days, to go ahead and try CFMX for themselves, despite
RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!)
CF 5 is available from our online store: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/faq/general/#p800 -Vern -Original Message- From: Samuel Neff To: CF-Talk Sent: 10/9/2002 7:19 PM Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re:LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Actually, they have stopped the supply of CF5. If you don't have CF5 already, then your SOL if you want it. Some resellers may still have copies, but other posts I've seen indicate people have a hard time finding it. Of courses, most commercial hosts still are using CF5, so if you can use a hosted server then you're ok. Date: Wed, 9 Oct 2002 21:32:30 -0400 From: Matt Liotta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: JDBC implementation (was RE: 3rd Party JDBC Drivers was Re: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!) Message-ID: 00b301c26ffc$e622fe90$6401a8c0@FREEWILL (snip) That is such utter bullshit. CFMX is not the bleeding edge; it is currently the recommended platform for CFML. Macromedia has done everything short of stopping the supply of CF 5 at this point trying to get people on CFMX. -Matt ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life - Also - LONG time CF Supporter.........
I'm reading through this thread, adding as I can...more to come. One thing I notice here Dave is that you mention you had trouble with your uninstall/reinstall, particularly deleting the directory. Tech support has been recommending that when you uninstall, you reboot afterward, then delete the c:\CFusionMX directory, so that you don't run into the file busy or locked situation. Then you can do a cleaner reinstall. This may not clear up the entire situation for you, but it certainly could help. I wonder if it would be adventageous to put uninstall/reinstall instructions in the livedocs? Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Dave Wilson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 6:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life - Also - LONG time CF Supporter. Amalgamating two similar threads. OK here is the sequence of events which have led me to where I am right now with my CFMX problems. CURRENT SITUATION: -- Unable to browse cfm templates on virtual hosts - http 500 error thrown - have attempted wsconfig.jar (see below) SEQUENCE: - CFMX problem. 1. Removed CF4.5 ENT, including Registry keys. 2. Run the CFMX installation wizard - install verified fine. 3. Attempt to view some virtual sites - not working - 500 errors 4. Consulted cf-talk - discovered requirement to run wsconfig.jar and edit an xml file for virtual site support despite having selected IIS during CFMX install - I believe Macromedia should have incorporated this configuration into the installation process. 5. Virtual sites appear to be functioning just fine now - proceed to update code to work in CFMX. 6. Converted a few existing popchart driven charts to work using cfchart instead. 7. Ran into a COM related problem. 8. Installed the updater as suggested by cf-talk members to resolve COM problems 9. COM problem persists 10. attempted to run wsconfig.jar again under presumption the updates may required redistribution to the virtual hosts. 11. No longer able to access the cfadministrator - Unable to find templates etc. 12. Attempted to remove CFMX - Installer only runs the uninstall but won't remove files from c:\cfusionMX folder. 13. Unable to manually remove files as one file was in use - Sorry can't remember which. 14. Re-installed CFMX to a new folder c:\cfusion - everything was fine after this. 15. Went home for the weekend 16. Returned on Monday to find my existing problems - 404 errors upon cfadministrator login, JDBC related error messages and very basic code producing errors where it was fine before (for over 2 years). Some of the problems I'm experiencing remind me of when CF4.0 required a new MDAC to be installed. 17. Checked server logs and no activity aparent for the weekend period of absence. 18. Checked and re-checked all Service packs, including upgrading SQL Server to SP4 from SP2. SP4 includes an update to the MDAC. 19. Removed and reinstalled CFMX to default directory. 20. Attempted to run wsconfig.jar - Returns message stating that IIS already configured. 21. Attempt to view any cfm templates located anywhere on the virtual sites - won't work! 22. The CF Administrator has become accessible again. END SEQUENCE Note, I've opted to use the ODBC Sockets for connecting to my MS SQL 7 datasource. This is for a number of reasons. firstly, I want to use NT authentication on the database, which isnt supported by the JDBC driver. I was once told in the past that SQL Server logins are stored in the system registry and hence are easier to compromise than the NT logins being stored in the SAM db or in Active Directory. I've also noted that several people have been having problems with the JDBC drivers including inability to communicate with remote SQL machines on same network etc. Any ideas anyone? TIA, Dave -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: 08 October 2002 13:40 To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life Quoting Dave Wilson [EMAIL PROTECTED]: However I'm getting a Runtime Exception from that link Oeps. The database is running on an experimental machine and I was upgrading it. Try again. Jochem ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
I have to jump in here (haven't made it through all the threads yet) JUST because something worked in 5, doesn't mean that it's a bug in CFMX if it doesn't work on MX. I've seen threads in the forums and on the lists where messy coding that CF5 would let go was causing problems in CFMX. When corrected, CFMX works fine. In fact, as I recall, many of those threads did involve the bad code choking the server (but still, when we get specifics, it's recorded as a bug, because the server should throw an error - not become crippled). Case in point, one user found that he had a page that was maxing out the CPU, and requiring a restart of CFMX - problem was unmatched doublequotes inside a cfscript block. User corrected his code, we added it to bug base because it should have thrown an error instead of maxing the CPU. Now, before you pile on me for saying just because it worked in 5, it shouldn't entitle you to free support, I've recommended that we consider revising that policy when it comes to database connections. My recommendation has been that if you are an upgrade customer from CF5, and you cannot connect to a database in MX that connected in 5, that would be covered. My reasoning, CFMX is definately more challenging in making database connections, but from what I've seen, most (if not all) of those issue can be sorted out. Support and the product team is seriously considering this change, but I don't have word on it yet, my point is that there is some merit to such a discussion of modifying what qualifies for free support, and we're on it, but it has to be limited by reason rationale. As many have pointed out, if you call support and they find that your issue is indeed a bug, not a coding issue or issue with another product, you will not be charged. I've offered to intervene if anyone felt like they were unfairly charged for a support incident, but no one has taken me up on the offer yet. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:34 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! You should ping a person in Tech support about that. I view that as an installation/configuration issue, and *I* personally wouldn't charge. But I'm not in tech support. I'm in development. YMMV Jesse Noller [EMAIL PROTECTED] Macromedia Server Development -Original Message- From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:33 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Jesse, Pardon me for asking but... how does MM handle a situation where something worked correctly on CF 5, but now is failing on CFMX? Is that CFMX? Or do I pay to have MM tell me I need to re-write code? This connection reset by peer JDBC socket error that's been troubling us (notice I did not say bugging :) could well be the result of some server setting or SQL config option we have overlooked that ODBC/CF 5 ignores, but JDBC looks for. If that turns out to be the case, would MM charge for that? -mk -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Jesse, what Lee is trying to say is that MM should help him with the problem, without him having to pay extra for tech support. He is *not* paying if the problem is with CFMX! Not. Paying. I had a problem getting CFMX to run on my development system - the services wouldn't start when my system booted, MM wanted to charge me for tech support, and it wasn't until I posted to this list finding others with the same problem. They helped me and fixed the problem. I know Lee personally and he is one of the biggest CF supporters. Lee has helped me patiently through many CF problems, and to hear he's having these problems with MM is very discouraging. . But you're *not* paying if the bug is with CFMX and not your code! -Original Message- From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 7:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Lee- While I can understand your predicament, and I will pass this issue around to other I know of, I fail to see the rationale here. Software, by it's very nature (programmed by humans, who are fallible) tends to have some bugs and problems. There is a large group of people who run CFMX
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Let's consider chronology... The good ole Allaire days... * Lots of staff interaction with lists/forums, more liberal support policies. * Booming tech economy, companies throwing money around like confetti * Allaire in unstable financial position even in booming tech economy The reality of today... * Macromedia merges with (buys) Allaire, ensuring the CF technology continues to live * Macromedia survives struggling tech economy, and as the merged company, we finish what Allaire started in cranking out revolutionary rewrite of CF, along with dynomite versions of its other products - MX. My point is that I don't think it's fair to keep on with this big bad Macromedia has ruined everything kind of talk. It's been said to me by several key folks who were at Allaire, that Macromedia saved CF and JRun. Of course there is a contrast, we're trying to ensure that CF technology remains economically viable for us and our customers. Sorry if that is un-PC, but I think the MM ruined it all dicussion doesn't help us sort out any problems. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:05 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! EXACTLY! And AGAIN Jesse.. Let me say, I'm NOT SLAYING YOU! But your point is exactly what all of us fear! YOU may not want to charge someone like Matt, Dave or myself for something that we can CLEARLY see as (at the very least) a painful problem that must be SOMEWHERE within the settings of CF or it's counterparts. But others may. And I can tell you, if our CC got dinged for $.001 after going thru what we have to-date, I'd be looking over my shoulder for another person to take my job. You see, (and this is a bit of a walk down memory lane, and maybe even borders on a fantasy dream world) when Allaire started, we had open, clear and useful discussions about what was happening with the product. Never was the talk of $ to make CF better or correct an (obvious, in our eyes) problem with the product. Now, after MM has taken over the wheel, we get There is a clear cut, menueverable, list of exacting paths to follow should you have a problem. Understand my point? And don't take it personally.. It's progress/growth/expansion that drives this industry. But, unfortunately, MM has fallen into the same-ol' trap as M$, and others and has grown apart (to a great extent) from the core community. Hence this list. Now.. That being said. This list is a GODsend to virtually all who participate. And MM has certainly monitored and helped us here. And for that, I think I can speak for a majority of us and say THANKS MM However, the reality is simple -- and has already been stated in my first couple of posts. What I'd REALLY like to see is a solution to fix these issues. Someone working with us from MM to nail this puppy down so that it stops happening, and we can go on to bitch about other things. grin | -Original Message- | From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 8:34 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | You should ping a person in Tech support about that. | | I view that as an installation/configuration issue, and *I* | personally wouldn't charge. | | But I'm not in tech support. I'm in development. YMMV | | Jesse Noller | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | Macromedia Server Development | | -Original Message- | From: Mark A. Kruger - CFG [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:33 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | Jesse, | | Pardon me for asking but... how does MM handle a situation where | something worked correctly on CF 5, but now is failing on CFMX? Is | that CFMX? Or do | I pay to have MM tell me I need to re-write code? This | connection reset | by peer JDBC socket error that's been troubling us (notice | I did not | say bugging :) could well be the result of some server setting or | SQL config option we have overlooked that ODBC/CF 5 | ignores, but JDBC | looks for. If that turns out to be the case, would MM charge for | that? | | -mk | | | | -Original Message- | From: Jesse Noller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:05 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Jesse, what Lee is trying to say is that MM should help | him with the | problem, without him having to pay
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Now, if Ben would just clone himself, and rent himself out CHEAP! ;) Actually, I'm hoping someone will come out with the brain-dump thing-a-majigg, so I can soak up his talents! Maybe I'll wait till the updater to the thing-a-majogg has been released... =) ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Lee, Cameron, I'm mulling over thoughtful responses to your thoughtful posts...
But I couldn't resist a quick reply here:
Macromedia's merger with Allaire was very expensive, and as is the case with any
merger, it's not been totally without merger pains, which has been felt internally by
most every employee.
Please don't mistake the challenges presented from a merger and also the challenges of
a ground-up rewrite as lack of full backing from Macromedia. I can assure you, we
didn't go through the expense and pains of such a challenging merger, just to
back-burner CF. CF is an extremely important part of Macromedia's product line.
There are folks running CFMX quite successfully - that's not to say that there's no
work to be done, but it's not all blood gore. We've made it through other rough
spots, and we'll make it through this one as well. It's as important to our livelihood
as it is to your livelihoods.
Vernon Viehe
ColdFusion Community Manager
Developer Relations
Macromedia, Inc.
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-Original Message-
From: JCQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:10 AM
To: CF-Talk
Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Matt said:
===
I personally have had some not so nice interactions with Macromedia as
of late that make me wonder if they have forgotten how important the
ColdFusion community is to them.
===
But that's the nub, isn't it? While it may be that the CF division
remembers how important the CF community is to them {or...uh...maybe
not), it's far from clear that Macromedia, as a company, is
acting that
way out of forgetfulness. It's also entirely rational for
them to have
decided that Flash etc is more important to them than CF --
meaning that
it really doesn't matter what the CF division thinks since they don't
set overall policy.
The old adage a fish rots from the head down comes to mind.
All other
things being equal it makes more sense to believe that MACR is
slowtracking CF by conscious decision rather than by
oversight. It also
explains a lot more of the observed facts in the last 6 months.
Although it's not nice to accept the idea that someone is consciously
ignoring us, it's a more rational explanation for being
ignored than to
posit they being deaf or alzheimic
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RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
You can still buy CF5: http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/productinfo/faq/general/#p800 -Vern -Original Message- From: Jillian Carroll [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! I can tell you what the haste is... I am looking to install CF on a new server... and I can no longer purchase CF 5. -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:59 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Well said.. Whats the haste to go into production with CFMX without testing your applications and be comfortable with it. Joe -Original Message- From: Robert Everland [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:48 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Why not downgrade to 5 and put CFMX into development until you are sure it's rock solid. I have absolutely no issues with CF5, but have had issues with CFMX. You gotta hit Macromedia in the pocketbook if you want to see results. If they know you won't spend money until they fix their issues then they will rush it out faster. I just had a case yesterday where a company we deal with upgraded from 4.5 to CFMX (not sure if it was updated yet) but WDDX reads didn't work and it was screwing up how it was dumping data into wddx, converting bit fileds to boolean. Robert Everland III Web Developer Extraordinaire Dixon Ticonderoga Company http://www.dixonusa.com -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:41 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Yup.. I know I'm not the only one. This is something that either wasn't thoroughly tested, is due to a major change in technology-base, simply occuring in too few systems... SOMETHING. I'm not sure why this isn't been directly addressed and squashed. But it's not. And I refuse to go to the board and ask for additional $'s to fix a technology that supports a minority of users. Don't get me wrong.. I LOVE CF. We use it extensively and I love coding it. Much of our services and support to our clients is based on CF. But this simply is gone beyond the point of something you have to deal with. It's now an issue of losing business, time, money... and... MY HAIR! Look forward to your posts later. | I know the feeling. I'm going through the same problems right | now - Currently investigating everything and due to post my | findings later today (they aint amounting to much at the | moment unfortunately). Was just about to go look at that. | See thread: CFMX - I've never seen anything so unstable in my life ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Lee, I appreciate your need TODAY, and I sympathize with your plight. However, there are a couple of things to keep in mind...This problem didn't just crop up today, and from the sound of it, it doesn't sound like it can be solved today. I strongly urge you to contact support, possibly become a Gold Support customer. That program was designed for this kind of urgent service. If I've read this thread correctly, you've said you don't want to call support because you're afraid you'll be charged unfairly for something that is a CFMX bug, yet I've not seen anyone on this list say that they have been charged in such a situation, but they have reiterated just the opposite. I'll repeat my earlier reassurance, if anyone, including you, are charged for a support incident, and you don't think the charge is fair, I will thoroughly look into it. Trust me, I'm not unsympathetic, but unfortunately, this list is not an official, one-to-one support venue. It's not where one turns for direct, urgent one-to-one contact. I strongly urge you to work with our support department instead of relying upon community lists/forums for urgent situations where you need direct assistance from Macromedia. The kind of simple information you seek simply isn't simple - but we are always in an ongoing effort to get this information to our customers, and will continue to do so. If you'd like to speak with me personally, e-mail me your contact info off-list, and I'll give you a call. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Lee Fuller [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 1:01 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, I completely understand. However, looking at it from my vantage point (and I'm pretty sure I'm not alone here on this mountain top - or at the bottom of this pit.. depending upon your viewpoint), I have a problem TODAY. One that is causing me serious trouble TODAY. I know that things like this take time, and I truly believe that this is not an MM thing. That's not my view of it at all. My view is simple (and I won't repeat it and bore everyone to death). Reality is that I need a solution TODAY. Sometime to keep my people from throwing the baby out with the bath water. Maybe it would help for MM to post a simple, clean and concise, page-by-page setting list of how you (MM) suggest we setup our servers (using gulp IIS5, of course) to make sure that CFMX works properly. Specifically -- - Page-by-page settings with the Administrator - Specific IIS changes/additions/amendments - Specific changes to CFMX setup files (similar to the XML file changes for multi-homing) - Some traps and tricks (simply put) I know that you have the best practices and performance tuning white papers. However, a checklist would be far more helpful -- so that people like me that are experiencing a problem can turn to this checklist (knowing that it's not a cure-all) to make certain we have things set to MM's recommendations. Thoughts? | -Original Message- | From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] | Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 11:44 AM | To: CF-Talk | Subject: RE: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! | | | Lee, Cameron, I'm mulling over thoughtful responses to your | thoughtful posts... | | But I couldn't resist a quick reply here: | | Macromedia's merger with Allaire was very expensive, and as | is the case with any merger, it's not been totally without | merger pains, which has been felt internally by most every employee. | | Please don't mistake the challenges presented from a merger | and also the challenges of a ground-up rewrite as lack of | full backing from Macromedia. I can assure you, we didn't go | through the expense and pains of such a challenging merger, | just to back-burner CF. CF is an extremely important part of | Macromedia's product line. | | There are folks running CFMX quite successfully - that's not | to say that there's no work to be done, but it's not all | blood gore. We've made it through other rough spots, and | we'll make it through this one as well. It's as important to | our livelihood as it is to your livelihoods. | | Vernon Viehe | ColdFusion Community Manager | Developer Relations | Macromedia, Inc. | Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ | | Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida | Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at | www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 | | -Original Message- | From: JCQ [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Thanks Stace, Not to split hairs, but all feature requests and bugs are product management issues in the big picture. =) So that product management knows the scope/numbers of folks wanting/needing remoting available to both CF and Java at the same time, it's important for each person to file the request. I'll include this issue in the information I relay back internally - but, it really helps make whatever I say have more punch, if it's backed up by customer filed feature requests (and bug reports for those issues). I mean, they like my reports, but they like my reports even better, when other data backs up what I'm reporting. =) Thanks (really!) -Vern -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 9:48 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Hi Vernon, Sounds like more of a Product Management issue though...If I'm understanding it correctly, running CFMX on J2EE should make Remoting available to both the CF environment and the underlying Java... I'll toss that in the request form anyhow. :-) Stace -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Matt, Just because something may be intentional doesn't mean it's not a valid request. Please see my other note regarding the importance of officially putting in your $.02 (or maybe $.04 in your case). Thanks! -Vern To speak to Vern's point, there is no need to put in a feature request as the feature already exists. Unfortunately, the feature has been intentionally crippled. ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com
RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF!
Joe, I don't want to sound overly defensive, but, to respond to your points... The development teams are two different groups, so, addressing both aren't mutually exclusive, and could very well happen concurrently (but not necessarily). and... The subject was brought up here, so I thought it would be good to reply here. Additionally, it looked like a great opportunity to emphasize why it's important to use the feature request and bug report form, even though Macromedia personnel watch this list. -Vern -Original Message- From: Joe Eugene [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, October 08, 2002 10:24 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Vernon, Doesnt it sound logical to clean up bugs in CFMX before thinking of new features? Priorities...? CFMX Or Flash... dont think many ppl here are interested in Flash... Joe -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 09, 2002 12:42 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Flash Remoting (was: LONG time CF Supporter - About ready to dump CF! Matt, it is impossible for one to build an application that using Flash Remoting with both CF and Java. This sounds like a great feature request, have you sent it to our development team yet? http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=23 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: Websphere version
The info reported back to me on the question is that 4.03 is the supported version. It may work with other versions, but it's not been tested on them. I hope this info helps! -Vern -Original Message- From: Robert Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Websphere version In the CFMX for Websphere Docs it states version 4.03 is supported, can someone please confirm that any versions higher, i.e. 4.04 or 5, are definitely _not_ supported. Thanks, Rob ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm
RE: Cross posting: CF5 eval???
CF Studio has been renamed as HomeSite+, and is available with the purchase of DWMX (Win) - at a price less than CFStudio was. No prior versions of CF Studio are available. It's true that HomeSite+ (essentially CFStudio 5.1) had some UI changes as a result of the Adobe lawsuit, specifically, the customization of the panels was mostly affected - see the release notes known issues for more info: http://www.macromedia.com/support/homesite/releasenotes/plus/releasenotes_plus.html#known (section titled The following interface changes are in effect for this release: ) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Vern Viehe; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: 10/2/2002 8:45 AM Subject: Re: Cross posting: CF5 eval??? On Wednesday, Oct 2, 2002, at 08:29 US/Pacific, Charlie Griefer wrote: Very cool...and not to push it...how about Studio 5? We get quite a few people coming into our #cf channel asking how they can get a (legitimate) copy of Studio 5. Hmm, I don't know. I'll defer to Christine L and Vern V (both cc'd). I have always wished that my computer would be as easy to use as my telephone. My wish has come true - I no longer know how to use my telephone. -- Bjarne Stroustrup ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting.
RE: Websphere version
I'll try to get clarification on that and report back. -Vern -Original Message- From: Robert Shaw [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 12:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Websphere version In the CFMX for Websphere Docs it states version 4.03 is supported, can someone please confirm that any versions higher, i.e. 4.04 or 5, are definitely _not_ supported. Thanks, Rob ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
New updated content on the Designer Developer Center
Hey all, We've got new and udpated content on the Designer Developer Center. I want to highlight a few things that may be of interest to the CFers on this list: * Using Inheritance and Composition in CFCs by Hal Helms Reuse code through supertypes and subtypes-yet another architecture benefit in ColdFusion components. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/articles/supsub.html * Sneak Preview Tips from DevCon 2002 (My favorite!!!) http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/articles/sp_frontdoor.html Which includes this session: Macromedia Flash for ColdFusion Users by Matt Boles * Developer Resource Kit Preview: Using the DataGrid Component by Mike Chambers Learn how to build a rich POP e-mail interface with the DataGrid component. (For those who bought the DRK which has the datagrid on it) http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/flash/articles/datagrid_component.html There's a lot more there, so check it out. If you want a more complete list of direct links to the new or updated content, contact me off list and I'll send it to you. And don't forget, if you'd like to make suggestions for content on the Designer Developer Center, or contribute articles, drop me an e-mail at [EMAIL PROTECTED] BTW, if you're going to be purchasing Macromedia products and you're not reading my blog, you may be missing an opportunity to get a discount! =) Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm
RE: New updated content on the Designer Developer Center
I wasn't aware of that change, but I'll send your note along to some folks, we'll see if it's something that can be propogated to other areas of the site. -Vern -Original Message- From: jon hall To: CF-Talk Sent: 10/1/2002 5:26 PM Subject: Re: New updated content on the Designer Developer Center Also noticed you guys tweaked your browser sniffer so that Gecko browsers don't get detected as NS4. Thanks! Mind doing the same for the Dev Exchange? :) -- jon mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Tuesday, October 1, 2002, 8:16:45 PM, you wrote: VV Hey all, VV We've got new and udpated content on the Designer Developer Center. I want to highlight a few things that may be of interest to the CFers on this list: ~| Archives: http://www.houseoffusion.com/cf_lists/index.cfm?forumid=4 Subscription: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=listsbody=lists/cf_talk FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm
RE: A Flash MX - Cold Fusion Mailing List?
I don't know of a mailing list (if there is one, lemme know!), but there is a discussion area in the Macromedia forums for this: http://webforums.macromedia.com/flash/categories.cfm?catid=250 -Vern -Original Message- From: Rick Faircloth To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/27/2002 8:28 AM Subject: A Flash MX - Cold Fusion Mailing List? Hi, all. I'm really trying to figure out the Flash MX - CF paradigm, but am struggling. None of the training materials seem to be on target. I was wondering if there's a Flash MX - CF mailing list like this one for beginning ActionScript / Intermediate CF programmers? Perhaps I can pick more of what I need there... Thanks, Rick __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Com ASP and CFMX hopefully MM are listing and fixing
Hey Mike, The CFMX udpater makes significant improvements to COM issues in CFMX. I'm wondering of the folks expressing this have applied the update? http://www.macromedia.com/support/coldfusion/releasenotes/mx/releasenotes_mx_updater.html#COM The updater can be downloaded at: http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/software/trial/hwswrec.jsp?product=cfmx_updater -Vern -Original Message- From: Mike Brunt [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 11:11 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: Com ASP and CFMX hopefully MM are listing and fixing There was a very good post this morning on one of the Fusebox lists about how the current troubles with Com and CFMX and that effect on existing applications could easily push those looking at both ASP and CFMX over to ASP. Com objects will obviously be important to those sorts of houses because they are predominantly WinTel based (which is where most of CF's existing business still lies) or would probably not be looking at ASP in the first place. Hopefully MM are working hard on this which I am sure they are. Kind Regards - Mike Brunt, CTO Webapper http://www.webapper.com Downey CA Office 562.243.6255 AIM - webappermb Webapper - Making the NET work __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Apache 2.0.42 - Stay away... stay w/ Apache 2.0.40
The changes are highlighted here: http://www.apache.org/dist/httpd/CHANGES_2.0 It looks like all the big security stuff was changed from 2.0.39 to 2.0.40, a lot of misc changes from .40 to .41, and one change listed from .41 to .42 -Vern -Original Message- From: Stacy Young [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 1:36 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Apache 2.0.42 - Stay away... stay w/ Apache 2.0.40 Have they posted what's wrong with 2.0.40 that prompted these changes? Stace -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 26, 2002 2:44 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Apache 2.0.42 - Stay away... stay w/ Apache 2.0.40 Looks like the Apache Group strikes again... another magic number change, another cfmx server connector rebuild needed. I've informed Macromedia already. You would think that if Apache is going to keep doing this that they'd keep the old builds of the .msi files available until 2-3 versions later or so. Anyone know where I can get the 2.0.40 .msi build? Thanks, ~Todd -- Todd Rafferty ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) - http://www.web-rat.com/ | Team Macromedia Volunteer for ColdFusion | http://www.macromedia.com/support/forums/team_macromedia/ | http://www.flashCFM.com/ - webRat (Moderator)| http://www.ultrashock.com/ - webRat (Back-end Moderator) | __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Apache 2.0.42 - Stay away... stay w/ Apache 2.0.40
pre-updater, CFMX officially supports Apache 1.3.x -or- 2.0.39 post-updater, CFMX officially supports Apache 1.3.x -or- 2.0.40 We'll let everyone know when there's any info on 2.0.42 Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: You the Man
I wish I could take credit for it! =) We're always working...and no one works harder than the good folks who make ColdFusion! I'll be keeping my eye out for feedback on the updater. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: bryan.hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/16/2002 7:53 PM Subject: You the Man Thanks Vern and everyone involved for this: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/ __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFMX Trial version
Igor is right, the installer (including the trial/dev edition) have not changed. You'll want to run the updater after installation. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Ilyinsky, Igor To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 10:38 AM Subject: RE: CFMX Trial version I would bet on NO since it's just an update and not a service pack. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 10:50 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: CFMX Trial version Does the CFMX Trial version now include the update? TIA Dick __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
DesDev launch: CFMX for J2EE
We've put out some great new info about CFMX for J2EE on this week's launch of the Designer Developer Center at http://www.macromedia.com/desdev tangentDid you know we launch new content twice a month? Prolly guessed that from my e-mails about it! Don't forget to e-mail me with your requests/suggestions for Designer Developer Center content: vernonremoveThisSpamKillermacromedia.com./tangent Also, in this week's launch is a great CF Extreme article: ColdFusion MX Application Development Center * ColdFusion Extreme Column: Using ColdFusion Tags Inside of CFScript by Kevin Towes Make the most of script in your ColdFusion applications by leveraging ColdFusion Tags. Kevin Towes explains how. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/cftags_cfscript.html Below is a list some of the highlights of the CFMX for J2EE stuff. If you're interested in CFMX for J2EE application servers, check out these resources on the DesDev: * ColdFusion MX for J2EE Development Center Learn to combine the functionality and flexibility of your J2EE server with ColdFusion MX in this new development center. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/ * Logged In: ColdFusion MX for J2EE by Tom Hale Scale your ColdFusion applications. Run them on the J2EE platform of your choice. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/logged_in/ * A Natural Integration of Enterprise Standards and Rapid Development: A ColdFusion Engineer's Perspective by Mike Brandt See how ColdFusion MX for J2EE allows you to take advantage of rapid application development on a robust J2EE platform. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/articles/whycfmx_ws.html * Macromedia ColdFusion MX from a Java Architect's Point of View by James Hurff Explore opportunities that await Java developers in ColdFusion MX for WebSphere. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/articles/cf_mx_overview.html * Interview: The Story Behind ColdFusion MX for J2EE Engineer Geoffrey Greene explains how the new architecture works. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/articles/j2ee_qa.html * CFMX for J2EE Architecture Find out more about the architecture underneath ColdFusion MX for J2EE. http://www.macromedia.com/software/coldfusion/whitepapers/pdf/cfmx_j2ee_wp.pdf Of course, there's lots of other new content, but I don't want to overload you. If you're interested in getting the list of highlights for other new content for ColdFusion, Flash, Dreamweaver, Mobile Devices, Education, and JD's column, just let me know (on or off-list - you can always reach me at vernonRemoveThisSpamKillermacromedia.com) Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: You the Man
Great to hear! Thanks! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 12:07 PM Subject: RE: You the Man I did Redhat Linux last week, works fine. On Tue, 17 Sep 2002, Stacy Young wrote: So far no issues to report with install on Win2k Pro, Win2k Server and Solaris. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: You the Man I'll be keeping my eye out for feedback on the updater. Worked great. -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:06 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: You the Man I wish I could take credit for it! =) We're always working...and no one works harder than the good folks who make ColdFusion! I'll be keeping my eye out for feedback on the updater. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: bryan.hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/16/2002 7:53 PM Subject: You the Man Thanks Vern and everyone involved for this: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/j2ee/ __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFMX Updater
What was your solution, Matt? Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: CFMX Updater Same thing happened to me. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Ken Brocx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater I have tried to install the updater but it says it didn't install at the end and to make sure the MX server is shut down. I have shutdown the three CFMX services from the windows services menu. Am I missing something? ALSO is there a way to see which CFIDE folder your server is set up to use? Thanks, Ken -Original Message- From: Debbie Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater Thanks for the heads up, Dave. It's all set now. Deb -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 6:52 AM Subject: Re: CFMX Updater Hmmm...according to the release notes, you released the updater a year ago! And MM was saying for months that there wasn't even going to be a service pack! You may want to update the release year if this is, in fact, not the case ;). Dave. __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFMX Updater
Great! I suspected that might be it. Glad it's going now! -Vern -Original Message- From: Ken Brocx To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 2:16 PM Subject: RE: CFMX Updater I got it! It was pointing to the wrong CFIDE folder, turns out we have three (at least) on the dev server sigh -Original Message- From: Bryan Love [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:03 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater I posted this question once before, but I don't remember getting a response and I don't have email from this list that old... Does anyone know of a size limit for input type=file...? I couldn't find one in the official HTTP RFC... +---+ Bryan Love Macromedia Certified Professional Internet Application Developer Database Analyst TeleCommunication Systems [EMAIL PROTECTED] +---+ ...'If there must be trouble, let it be in my day, that my child may have peace'... - Thomas Paine, The American Crisis Let's Roll - Todd Beamer, Flight 93 __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: CFMX Updater
OK, seems like Ken found his solution. I take it you've still got one (or more) instances you can't update? -Vern -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 2:25 PM Subject: RE: CFMX Updater I don't have a solution currently. I wouldn't have said anything until I knew more, but I did want to confirm what others were seeing. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 2:21 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater What was your solution, Matt? Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 1:32 PM Subject: RE: CFMX Updater Same thing happened to me. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Ken Brocx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 1:20 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater I have tried to install the updater but it says it didn't install at the end and to make sure the MX server is shut down. I have shutdown the three CFMX services from the windows services menu. Am I missing something? ALSO is there a way to see which CFIDE folder your server is set up to use? Thanks, Ken -Original Message- From: Debbie Dickerson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2002 11:14 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: CFMX Updater Thanks for the heads up, Dave. It's all set now. Deb -Original Message- From: Dave Carabetta To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/17/2002 6:52 AM Subject: Re: CFMX Updater Hmmm...according to the release notes, you released the updater a year ago! And MM was saying for months that there wasn't even going to be a service pack! You may want to update the release year if this is, in fact, not the case ;). Dave. __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Studio MX
The Macromedia online store has it at competitive prices, and has an upgrade eligibility chart, so you can see if you own any qualifying products for the upgrade discount: Store: http://dynamic.macromedia.com/bin/MM/store/US/home.jsp Upgrade chart: http://www.macromedia.com/software/studio/productinfo/upgrade/store.html Hope this helps! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Double Down To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/12/2002 11:37 AM Subject: Studio MX Does anyone know of a good place that has studio MX for a good price? TIA DDINC __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: MX Service Pack? was Re: Looking back - for those who have mo ved to CFMX...
Unfortunately, we don't have a publicly available bug list, and running CF in an unsupported configuration will interfere w/ you getting that info by contacting support, because you're not going to get an incident opened for an unsupported config. You can keep an eye on the CF support site, watch these lists, and even www.CFBughunt.org. We're looking at ways to get more public info out there about known issues (bugs), hopefully whatever efforts we make in that area will help you (as well as everyone else!). Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Dick Applebaum To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/11/2002 9:10 AM Subject: Re: MX Service Pack? was Re: Looking back - for those who have mo ved to CFMX... I didn't see any WDDX issues addressed. There are some -- I can make WDDX fail, if the packet is too large (works in CF 5.0) I was under the impression that it and other CFMX WDDX issues had been reported by others. I have been told that I can't report a bug because I don't (currently) run a supported version of CFMX. I don't know where to go to find out if a bug report exists. Any ideas? TIA Dick On Wednesday, September 11, 2002, at 08:58 AM, Stacy Young wrote: Also keep in mind they're putting in place a new fix/update release process. I'll leave the details to MM but I think it'll be quite effective rather then waiting for service packs. Stace snip __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: bad words list
Today, I think I could crank one out really quickly. =) -V -Original Message- From: Brian Thornton [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 11, 2002 12:43 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: bad words list Anyone have a bad wordl list? Thanks, Brian __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Jsp Vs Cfm (CFMX) -- Code
The product team tells me that the Developer's edition is the Enterprise Edition plus the IP limitation, so, it's the full feature set. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/10/2002 7:30 AM Subject: Re: Jsp Vs Cfm (CFMX) -- Code On Tuesday, September 10, 2002, at 06:51 , Jeffry Houser wrote: The only differences between ColdFusion MX Enterprise and the ColdFusion MX Developer Edition is that the Developer edition will only let you surf from a single IP (And the localhost ). Hmm, I'm not so sure about that but I'll defer to a product team person (or maybe Vern knows?). My understanding was that the Developer Edition restricted certain features - in addition to the single IP access - in the same way that Pro restricts certain features. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
ColdFusion MX for J2EE is Available!
The ColdFusion product team is happy to announce the availability of ColdFusion MX for J2EE, a new product line that allows developers to add ColdFusion MX capabilities to supported J2EE application servers. Public launch and announcements are slated for early next week. ColdFusion MX for J2EE is available in the following editions: * ColdFusion MX for IBM WebSphere Application Server * ColdFusion MX for Macromedia JRun * ColdFusion MX for Sun ONE The existing ColdFusion MX release is built on top of JRun 4. But this release separates the ColdFusion runtime from the underlying app server, giving developers full access to the app server's capabilities. So customers get the benefits of rapid server scripting capabilities, increasing development productivity while enjoying full access to the power of the J2EE platform. See for yourself! Download a free trial or purchase ColdFusion MX for J2EE today at: http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfj2ee. For more information, visit our product section for FAQs, technical white papers, and more at http://www.macromedia.com/go/cfj2ee. Regards, The ColdFusion Product Team __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit
The DRK does contain some CF stuff: some CFCs: SMTP POP, a stock quote CFC (included w/ a sample apps) Dreamweaver extensions for CFers: *CF XHTML Editor *Extra File Function Toolbar (OK, not specific to CF, but has some of the file functions CF Studio users have been asking for, like close-all, duplicate file, and others) Flash MX DataGrid component And an archive of all the CF content from DesDev, including articles, whitepapers, tutorials, and columns. We're definately going to expand the CF content in future DRK offerings. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 8:09 AM Subject: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit If I was a flash, PHP, Dreamweaver fanatic I would like this. http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/ How about something like this for CF? __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit
This set of Flash components (set 3), and the datagrid component are only on the DRK, and won't be available for free download. The DRK CD is a mixture of new stuff only available on the DRK CD, archives of stuff that's out there, but collected for offline use on this CD. That's not to say there won't be any more free components/extenstions, but these are only available on the DRK CD. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Indeed, this is an interesting DRK. But, one question comes to my mind : do we have to pay now to get the latest Macromedia Flash UI or Datagrid Components? Or does MM plan to release them as a free download? Thanks. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Envoyé : vendredi 6 septembre 2002 17:36 À : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Thanks Vern. -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit The DRK does contain some CF stuff: some CFCs: SMTP POP, a stock quote CFC (included w/ a sample apps) Dreamweaver extensions for CFers: *CF XHTML Editor *Extra File Function Toolbar (OK, not specific to CF, but has some of the file functions CF Studio users have been asking for, like close-all, duplicate file, and others) Flash MX DataGrid component And an archive of all the CF content from DesDev, including articles, whitepapers, tutorials, and columns. We're definately going to expand the CF content in future DRK offerings. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 8:09 AM Subject: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit If I was a flash, PHP, Dreamweaver fanatic I would like this. http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/ How about something like this for CF? __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit
Most folks don't have those big pipes. A lot of folks would probably try anyhow, and it woudln't turn out to be a good experience for most of them. 602mb just isn't a good candidate for online sales, I think we'd just be begging for problems. But I'm certainly taking note of the requests for it, and passing that feedback along! -Vern -Original Message- From: David Groth To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 10:36 AM Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Not to sound harsh - but - lots of us do have pretty big pipes, so a 650 meg download really isn't that much of a problem. Put it up so we can get to it. David Groth, Analyst/Programmer III HSC Library Informatics Center, University of New Mexico 505.272.8406 e-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] 09/06/02 11:24AM matt, would you be willing to download 650 megs? Not being sarcastic, but that is the main reason we did not make it downloadable. btw, you are not the first person to request that today. mike chambers [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:13 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit I should also add that I just bought it, but am quite unhappy that I have to wait for a CD to be shipped to me. It should be downloadable. Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit BTW, I got to play with the datagrid component a couple of weeks ago. It is really cool! Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 9:27 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit This set of Flash components (set 3), and the datagrid component are only on the DRK, and won't be available for free download. The DRK CD is a mixture of new stuff only available on the DRK CD, archives of stuff that's out there, but collected for offline use on this CD. That's not to say there won't be any more free components/extenstions, but these are only available on the DRK CD. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Benoit Hediard To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 9:04 AM Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Indeed, this is an interesting DRK. But, one question comes to my mind : do we have to pay now to get the latest Macromedia Flash UI or Datagrid Components? Or does MM plan to release them as a free download? Thanks. Benoit -Message d'origine- De : Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] EnvoyT : vendredi 6 septembre 2002 17:36 + : CF-Talk Objet : RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit Thanks Vern. -Original Message- From: Vernon Viehe [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:35 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit The DRK does contain some CF stuff: some CFCs: SMTP POP, a stock quote CFC (included w/ a sample apps) Dreamweaver extensions for CFers: *CF XHTML Editor *Extra File Function Toolbar (OK, not specific to CF, but has some of the file functions CF Studio users have been asking for, like close-all, duplicate file, and others) Flash MX DataGrid component And an archive of all the CF content from DesDev, including articles, whitepapers, tutorials, and columns. We're definately going to expand the CF content in future DRK offerings. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 8:09 AM Subject: Interesting: Macromedia Resource Kit If I was a flash, PHP, Dreamweaver fanatic I would like this. http://www.macromedia.com/software/drk/ How about something like this for CF? __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?)
We're going to be sure we take care of developers with a good CF IDE they are happy with! If you've used DWMX, and found things about it you didn't like, let us know: http://www.macromedia.com/email/support/wishform?6213=6 I'm sure you know by now that HomeSite+, essentially CFStudio 5 renamed, is included w/ the purchase of Dreamweaver, and integrates with Dreamweaver as well, so you can use both at the same time, if you wish, taking advantage of your favorite features of each. And, you can d/l the updated CFMX VTMs and help files for CF5. As for the future of ColdFusion IDEs, I don't have a crystal ball to see exactly what's going to happen. But giving us your feedback will certainly help us provide CFers with the IDE that will make them happy! Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Ken Brocx To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 10:46 AM Subject: FW: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) Is there any chance of brining back Studio? Dreamweaver is just so cumbersome and intolerably slow (on a p4 1.8) I tried to use it but it's just can't. A complete waste of money. I find it so bad that I have had to consider moving to a new markup language. A language loses a lot of it's functionality when there isn't a decent editor. Studio was nearly perfect, and seems more so after working with DW for a couple weeks. Are there any other editors that can take the place of studio 5 after it's obsolete? -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 07:12 , Tony Weeg wrote: the biggest pain i thought was, that i didnt get the funtionality in non-wysiwyg mode, as i really wanted. i mean, the bitch and pain of handcoding the height and width of an image tag, for every image, It's true that in code view it doesn't automatically add height and width tags but you could easily work in split view mode (with just a small design view) and use the design view pane to insert images - then it sets the height and width automatically based on the image size. You should submit this via the wishlist form on the web site - it sounds like a useful enhancement. then im done and on to my passion, GOLF!!! Ah, golf... who once said Golf is a good walk spoiled? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down??
I can't tell too much about what's coming down the pipe, but I think there's a great (multi-part) article on CFMX and Java that we might see soon. And Sean's right! I am interested in finding out what kinds of content you want to see on the Designer Developer Center (that's why I ask for that feedback everytime I announce a new launch on the DesDev.) You can send the feedback directly to me, or at: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/desdev/main.cgi?from=desdev Let us/me know what you want to read/learn about, we'll try to get it on DesDev! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 10:25 AM Subject: Re: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down?? On Thursday, September 5, 2002, at 10:20 , bryan.hogan wrote: I don't feel anyone other than some beginner CFers would feel that they are of use. Why is that? Are the examples just too simple? What sort of things would you like to see? Perhaps everyone here could contribute some worthwhile examples that they feel people would benefit from and then we could look at hosting those in the 'examples' system? This also goes for many of the tutorials, examples and topics in the dev centers. I have a feeling others feel the same as I. It seems lately that there is allot of information for some beginners and every once in awhile something worth reading. Hmm, I thought the material covered quite a broad range. This is good feedback tho' as we're always looking to improve the site and make it more valuable. What sort of topics would people like to see? Talk to your Community Manager, Vern Viehe - I know he's keen to hear feedback from the community and he's in a position to get things done for you. Don't know exactly what besides more CFC and XML, Web Service coverage Again, tell Vern what you did and didn't like about our recent coverage of those issues. Tell him what else you'd like to see. along with more examples of how we can use the new capabilities of the integration between MX and Java. Good point - I don't think we've covered this in any real depth yet. Don't take this wrong, I appreciate all of the work everyone puts into and has put into CF and us users. Just looking for something more. Thanx (as an occasional contributor to the Designer Developer Center, praise is always appreciated!). We'd love to see folks recommending Macromedia's ColdFusion Application Development Center in the same breath as House Of Fusion and other CF resources that are already held in such high regard by the community. Sean A Corfield -- http://www.corfield.org/blog/ If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?)
It's my understanding that HS+ isn't any different from CFStudio 5, except the updated stuff for CFMX, name change, and of course the UI changes due to the Adobe lawsuit. I know a lot of people relied upon those UI features to speed their work. That lawsuit was finally settled, but I don't know how that might impact future versions of any Macromedia or Adobe products. -Vern -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 10:57 AM Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) I would like them to complete Homesite+ with the options we had with Studio. Studio IMHO was/is much faster to get something done than to fiddle around with Dreamweaver. If they want to get rid of Studio let them, as long as they bring Homesite+ up to par as studio. If they do that they can still cut down on a product and leave us all happy. -Original Message- From: Ken Brocx [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 1:47 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: FW: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) Is there any chance of brining back Studio? Dreamweaver is just so cumbersome and intolerably slow (on a p4 1.8) I tried to use it but it's just can't. A complete waste of money. I find it so bad that I have had to consider moving to a new markup language. A language loses a lot of it's functionality when there isn't a decent editor. Studio was nearly perfect, and seems more so after working with DW for a couple weeks. Are there any other editors that can take the place of studio 5 after it's obsolete? -Original Message- From: Sean A Corfield [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Thursday, September 05, 2002 8:58 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) On Wednesday, September 4, 2002, at 07:12 , Tony Weeg wrote: the biggest pain i thought was, that i didnt get the funtionality in non-wysiwyg mode, as i really wanted. i mean, the bitch and pain of handcoding the height and width of an image tag, for every image, It's true that in code view it doesn't automatically add height and width tags but you could easily work in split view mode (with just a small design view) and use the design view pane to insert images - then it sets the height and width automatically based on the image size. You should submit this via the wishlist form on the web site - it sounds like a useful enhancement. then im done and on to my passion, GOLF!!! Ah, golf... who once said Golf is a good walk spoiled? If you're not annoying somebody, you're not really alive. -- Margaret Atwood __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: learning by example (was RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/c oldfusion/examples/ down??)
Nope, I was just gone to lunch, and was thinking, while at lunch, about appropriate replies! I'm working on it, stay tuned. =) -Vern -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 1:19 PM Subject: RE: learning by example (was RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down??) I hope I have not affended anyone over this being that I have not had any replies. -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:12 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: learning by example (was RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down??) Thanks for your reply Matt. It is kind of hard to explain what I'm looking for, I apologize for that. I have and will continue to post questions to this list, it is a great resource. I will also look into C as you suggest. I guess this thread got off base a little by my frustrations. I'm not the best developer or programmer there ever was but I don't think I'm shite either. I just have this feeling there is something more there than DesDev currently offers. I have found that your blog along as others are way much better, and keep me way much more in-the-know, and keep my attention span the longest. I admit that this is a hard thing for someone to do (keep my attention). Maybe DesDev can be a little more like your Blog's, DesDev with topics ranging from Beginner to Intermediate, and then have a side bar for the advanced topics. It could be that I scan the information on DesDev allot, missing some really good articles explaining some topics in which I will be interested. Like I said above it may help to separate out the articles by level. I realize some of the things I have said in this reply Mike don't pertain to you and should be directed at Vern. I just want to keep this open for everyone else to read and maybe bring out some of there feelings similar to mine. Or to just find out that I'm way off base and should shut-up. Again thanks for your reply and your continued support to us residents of the CF Community. Bryan -Original Message- From: Matt Liotta [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 2:45 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: learning by exmaple (was RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down??) I can't speak for others, but for me it is almost impossible to figure out what others want to know. For a while I tried to give presentations and write articles on what I thought were interesting problems and how I solved them. Later, I learned that very few people were interested because they couldn't understand the problems to begin with. Now I follow a different methodology. I wait for people to ask questions on the list and if I see enough interest then I try to write it up. My suggestion would to ask your questions as separate threads here on this list. You'll get some insight from the responses and I as well as Macromedia will be able to see what you are interested in learning about. I can then write up an article explaining the concept. Honestly though, I think that will only help you be a better CF developer. If you want to be a better programmer then you are going to need more then just the examples. IMHO, the number one thing you can do to be a better programmer is to learn C (I mean C, not C++). Matt Liotta President CEO Montara Software, Inc. http://www.montarasoftware.com/ 888-408-0900 x901 -Original Message- From: Bryan F. Hogan [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 11:30 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down?? Why is that? Are the examples just too simple? What sort of things would you like to see? The examples are mostly way to simple. We can find all of this within our Docs included with DMX and our oldie but goodie CFStudio. I would like to see some in-depth coverage of these functions. I don't want to know how to consume the babelfish web service. After reading the tutorial for the first time, it is easy to consume it. Many web services out there require some kind of authentication string passed along to it. How can I do this? I know how to pass one string to the service, but how about multiples. I understand the DMX can read a WSDL file for you and output the functions and require strings to pass to it. But how can I do this myself. How does one read an WSDL file without DMX? Hmm, I thought the material covered quite a broad range. This is good feedback tho' as we're always looking to improve the site and make it more valuable. What sort of topics would people like to see? It does cover a broad range. But again they are pretty simple. How about some more examples of using flash with cf? I want to totally understand flash remoting and the like, but really can't get an understanding from it from the current examples apps. If a programmer has never opened flash before, how can he easily get started. The
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?)
I apologize, the link is: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/wishform?6213=6 I've heard a few reports of code-rewriting, but it's not happened with me, and I've not seen any examples so that I can try to replicate it. Doesn't mean it's not happening, but thankfully, it seems it's not affecting everyone. I've also heard folks fussing about reformatting the code. But do keep in mind, if you use any of DW's functions in which it has to alter/write code, it will do it according to it's formatting settings (which you can alter, through preferences, and on a more granular level, you can actually modify the file it references for formatting). But it's a valid request that there would be NO unecessary reformatting (that is, if you're using DW to edit the table, the queries in the head shouldn't need reformatting, that kinda thing). If either rewriting, or reformatting breaks your application code, please, PLEASE report it with details. I know that this would be of HUGE concern to the DW team, so, if you can include an example when you report it using the form above (or send it to me), that would be a big help, and we'd really appreciate it. Thanks! Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 12:21 PM Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) If you've used DWMX, and found things about it you didn't like, let us know: http://www.macromedia.com/email/support/wishform?6213=6 This link doesn't work. My largest concern is the rewriting of code. When DW originally came out it promised to not rewrite code and it was great. Unfortunately, people write a lot of bad code and with later versions it automatically massaged the code a little just to be able to interpret and display it. I complained about this years ago, well before the UltraDev products. I was told that it HAD to rewrite code. Now with people trying to use it for programmatic languages (CF, PHP, ASP, etc) it is even more important that it not rewrite code because in every case I have encountered, it always breaks the app. Kevin Graeme __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?)
HS+ *is* commercially available, at a price cheaper than CFStudio 5 was. AND, you get DWMX with it! =) Although, honestly, if have CFStudio 5, and you're buying that bundle JUST for HomeSite+, you can get the free updaters for CFStudio mentioned previously in this thread, and have the same thing, but without the UI changes in HomeSite+ (brought about by the Adobe lawsuit, which has since been settled). Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Phillip Perry To: CF-Talk Sent: 9/6/2002 12:30 PM Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) DWMX Has rewritten my framsets. I thought it wasn't supposed to do that anymore? It tells me about errors that I didn't have before using dwmx. I'm just gonna stick with HS 5 until HS+ is commercially available (if it ever is ). -Original Message- From: Kevin Graeme [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, September 06, 2002 3:22 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: RE: Dreamweaver MX opinions (CF Studio opinions?) If you've used DWMX, and found things about it you didn't like, let us know: http://www.macromedia.com/email/support/wishform?6213=6 This link doesn't work. My largest concern is the rewriting of code. When DW originally came out it promised to not rewrite code and it was great. Unfortunately, people write a lot of bad code and with later versions it automatically massaged the code a little just to be able to interpret and display it. I complained about this years ago, well before the UltraDev products. I was told that it HAD to rewrite code. Now with people trying to use it for programmatic languages (CF, PHP, ASP, etc) it is even more important that it not rewrite code because in every case I have encountered, it always breaks the app. Kevin Graeme __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: http://examples.macromedia.com/coldfusion/examples/ down??
Hey Bryan, It's great that you want to see more in depth stuff, and it's good to give us the feedback, and even discuss it so we can narrow things down a bit. I wanna comment on a few of the things you mentioned... The examples are mostly way to simple. We can find all of this within our Docs included with DMX and our oldie but goodie CFStudio. This may be true of some things, but keep in mind, some folks don't learn well by reading the documentation, it's sometimes too clinical for some folks to be able to see how it applies to real world usage, so, articles on the same subjects seem to be better for some folks, and usually add some practical info which may not be in the docs. I would like to see some in-depth coverage of these functions. I don't want to know how to consume the babelfish web service. After reading the tutorial for the first time, it is easy to consume it. I'll take that as feedback that what you read was good enough that it really made it seem simple. ;) How about some more examples of using flash with cf? I want to totally understand flash remoting and the like, but really can't get an understanding from it from the current examples apps. If a programmer has never opened flash before, how can he easily get started. The examples now, seem to need you to understand how the timelines work and how and where to put your variables before you get started. Server-Side ActionScript and how to use it would be great to learn more about. Hmm, some folks say there's too much about Flash and CF. I guess if we're getting feedback that there's too much, and that there's too little, we're hitting in the middle which might not be too bad! As far as those who've never used Flash, I'm not sure that the Designer Developer Center is the place where you'll find basic Flash training. Most likely, the articles are going to be about new features, and the concepts of using a Macromedia product w/ other technologies (some Macromedia technologies, some from other companies - we try to keep in mind that folks aren't necessarily working in a Macromedia vaccuum!). I took Fast Track to Flash and FT to ActionScript, and they really helped. I think it comes down to getting some basic Flash training to be able to take best advantage of the CF/Flash articles/sample apps. Just some suggestions on training resources would be: The tutorials in Flash to get started Fast Track classes: http://trainingreg.macromedia.com/tregexternal/ Macromedia University online training:http://www.macromedia.com/support/training/self_paced_training.html Books on Flash: http://www.macromedia.com/support/flash/ts/documents/flashbooks.htm There are so many new features and possibilities out there now with MX it is somewhat overwhelming. I love the idea of Rich Clients but can't get started because I'm still trying to catch up with CFMX. A lot of folks are in the same boat. We're tossing a lot of new stuff at folks at once, and if you're a CFer new to Flash, it may take a bit of learning before you're ready to jump foot-first into RIAs. Fortunately, we're archiving all the stuff, so you can go back and read when it's a more appropriate time for you. Again you guys are the best, keep up the wonderful work. Aw shucks *blush* Thanks, really. And keep letting us know what subjects you're interested in. As was said (I think it was Matt L.), it's easier to give folks what they want when we hear them asking the questions, and making requests for info, than it is to guess at what folks would find useful. -Vern __ Structure your ColdFusion code with Fusebox. Get the official book at http://www.fusionauthority.com/bkinfo.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Security nuggets!
Hey all, The latest launch on the Designer Developer Center includes a new Security Development Center: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/security/ Highlights for some of the CF content are: ColdFusion Security, Part One: Understanding Sandbox/Resource Security Charlie Arehart Control access to your applications with built-in ColdFusion MX security measures. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/security/articles/sandbox_01.html ColdFusion Security, Part Two: Setting Up Sandbox/Resource Security Charlie Arehart Learn how to set up sandbox/resource security. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/security/articles/sandbox_02.html Top Ten Security Tips for Your ColdFusion MX Application Tom Donovan Keep hackers at bay with the recommended settings and configurations for your application. http://www.macromedia.com//desdev/security/articles/topten_tips.html And there's even a Logged In column written by yours truly, highlighting security info resources on macromedia.com: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/logged_in/vviehe_security.html As usual, we'd like to hear from you regarding what you'd like to see on the Designer Developer Center. To send us your feedback, please visit: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/desdev/main.cgi?from=desdev Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: COM CFMX Workaround
I hear, from a reliable source, that there will be a service pack for CFMX by or around the end of Sept, and among other issues addressed by it, are great improvements in the COM area. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ Macromedia DevCon 2002, October 27-30, Orlando, Florida Architecting a New Internet Experience Register today at www.macromedia.com/go/devcon2002 -Original Message- From: Frank Mamone [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Wednesday, September 04, 2002 11:10 AM To: CF-Talk Subject: COM CFMX Workaround Has anyone had any success with this workaround for COM in CFMX? http://www.macromedia.com/v1/Handlers/index.cfm?ID=22922Method=Full I tried the procedure and I get a Class Not Found Exception. In my case I cannot set properties of my COM object. Thanks, __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
New this week on the Designer Developer Center
This week's theme for the release of the Designer Developer Center is Education and E-learning. There's a lot in this release, especially for those in the Education sector, but I'm trimmming my highlights a bit this time. You can visit my blog for a complete list of articles with direct links, but I hope you'll visit the Designer Developer Center and browse it as well. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev New Sample Application Blackboard Building Blocks: Group Management Rich User Interface http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/blackboard/ New Development Center The Education and E-Learning Development Center http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/education/ A few of the new articles and tutorials ColdFusion Extreme: Using ColdFusion Components--Properly Ben Forta Ben Forta teaches you how to properly implement CFCs for maximum code reuse. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/ Designing Java Applications for Flash Remoting John Bennett Flash Remoting 101 for Java programmers. Learn how server-side Java code can be leveraged to quickly develop client-side ActionScript. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/blackboard/articles/flash_remoting_design.html Code Editing with Dreamweaver MX Mark Fletcher Fine-tune your code with the new features in Dreamweaver MX. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/dreamweaver/articles/dw_code_editing.html JD's Forum: Are you failing at mail? John Dowdell Learn how to fail (or succeed) in the forums. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/jd_forum/ If you have any feedback about what you'd like to see in the Designer Developer Center, please let us know by contacting me directly, or visiting: http://www.macromedia.com/support/email/desdev/main.cgi?from=desdev Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary/blog: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ This list and all House of Fusion resources hosted by CFHosting.com. The place for dependable ColdFusion Hosting. FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: New this week on the Designer Developer Center
ARGH! There seems to be a problem with the CF Extreme link, it's going to an article by Kevin Towes instead. Hold off on visiting this one till I can figure out what's going on and then let ya know. ColdFusion Extreme: Using ColdFusion Components--Properly Ben Forta Ben Forta teaches you how to properly implement CFCs for maximum code reuse. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/ Thanks Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Developer Relations Macromedia, Inc. Online diary: http://vvmx.blogspot.com/ __ Your ad could be here. Monies from ads go to support these lists and provide more resources for the community. http://www.fusionauthority.com/ads.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: New this week on the Designer Developer Center
Sorry 'bout that Jochem! As Jochem's message pointed out, the correct link is: http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/bforta_cfc.html -Original Message- From: Jochem van Dieten [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Friday, August 16, 2002 2:05 PM To: CF-Talk Subject: Re: New this week on the Designer Developer Center Vernon Viehe wrote: ARGH! There seems to be a problem with the CF Extreme link, it's going to an article by Kevin Towes instead. Hold off on visiting this one till I can figure out what's going on and then let ya know. Too late. I am already infected with the Flash virus. Aaaarg ColdFusion Extreme: Using ColdFusion Components--Properly Ben Forta Ben Forta teaches you how to properly implement CFCs for maximum code reuse. http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/ http://www.macromedia.com/desdev/mx/coldfusion/extreme/bforta_cfc.html Jochem __ Signup for the Fusion Authority news alert and keep up with the latest news in ColdFusion and related topics. http://www.fusionauthority.com/signup.cfm FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
RE: Best Practices
Just to be clear, the document Neil refers to on Sean's site is not an official statement of best practices for everyone from Macromedia (an note that it's not published on the MM site). Sean generously agreed to take the document used for his team at Macromedia, genericize it (is that a word?), and put it out there for folks to have access to, and draw from. We appreciate Sean doing this. As Sean said, best practices may vary from shop to shop, but it certainly is a great idea to be able to share thoughts about best practices, and it's especially good to be able to look at other's standards documents, and draw from them to help you establish the best practices most appropriate to your situation. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Robertson-Ravo, Neil (REC) Neil wrote (cut pasted): Have you got the CF Best Practice doc from MM? here ya go fella : http://www.corfield.org/coldfusion/codingStandards.htm it is geared toward CFMX a little, but prob 90% of it is still CFX.X.X specific. __ Get the mailserver that powers this list at http://www.coolfusion.com FAQ: http://www.thenetprofits.co.uk/coldfusion/faq Archives: http://www.mail-archive.com/cf-talk@houseoffusion.com/ Unsubscribe: http://www.houseoffusion.com/index.cfm?sidebar=lists
Tips: was RE: Best Practices
I'd be remiss in my responsibilities if I didn't point out that Macromedia recently launched a tips application for tips submitted by the community. http://www.macromedia.com/v1/tipsubmission/main.cfm Admitedly, those submissions aren't subject to panel approval, so it's not exactly the same thing. Nevertheless, folks will be looking at the stuff there, so I would encourage anyone to submit their coding tips there too, as well as offer feedback on any tips you read there. Vernon Viehe ColdFusion Community Manager Macromedia, Inc. -Original Message- From: Paul Giesenhagen To: CF-Talk Sent: 8/15/2002 6:28 AM Subject: Re: Best Practices Charlie, I think this is a great idea, I have no formal background in any language, but picking things up here and there has made my life easier. I think your idea of a place for tips would be great... and since this list has provide such a great service, maybe it should be here on HoF! It would also be nice to have a 'board' if you will that approves a 'Best' practice before it is placed as a valid best practice. Maybe even to go as far as placing 'tips' online with advantages and disadvantages ... Just to explain why it is good and why it is not so a best practice can then be determined depending on usage. Example would be: cfif if only 1-2 variables, but use cfswitch if comparing many Both are good practices, both yield the same results, but one (cfif) is much quicker to code and the savings in execution may be minimal and thus cfif would be the 'best' practice... with explination that would be useful to a user. I guess I what I am saying is have best practices, tips or whatever you want to call it, but give the explination as to WHAT they do and their advantage, disadvantage. Then have a group, approve disapprove and you will have one heck of a document. Just my .02 I think it would be great ... Mike D, do you want to have something like this? Paul Giesenhagen QuillDesign - Original Message - From: Charlie Griefer [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, August 15, 2002 1:58 AM Subject: Re: Best Practices OK...let's just cut the name of the thread to 'Best Practices' :) While there will always be some 'subjectivity' as to 'how' to code, there certainly are 'better' ways, 'worse' ways, and yes...'best' ways. It's the 'best' ways that I'm interested in. Somebody brought up previously that there shouldn't be a central 'best practices' document, as it may be intimidating to beginners (if i understood correctly). I can see that...but I can also see that where a beginner would learn the 'most simple' or 'most straightforward' way (ie learning cfif myVar is before learning cfif len(trim(myVar))). My contention/issue/point is that there are almost always 'better' ways to code (by better, I'm referring to more efficient). If I can be a better coder (which I know I can), I would want to know how. Yes, one can certainly pick up tidbits of information here and there (whether it be on the forums, newsgroup, this list, or any of the cf-related sites out there)...but I'm sure very few of us have the luxury of that kind of time to look (heck, we wouldn't even know what to look for). Might be nice to start a cf coding tips site...I'd be more than happy to throw a form online to collect tips from anybody who wants to enter a few (as well as a page to output them). Over time it might even become the basis for a best practices doc (maybe setting up a 'rate this tip' to see if it really is something that people have found works for them). I know that I'd benefit greatly from such a site. I'd like to think that many others would as well. Anybody have any thoughts on that? Thoughts on hosting? I can do it, and would be more than happy to...but perhaps a better known cf-related site would be a better 'home' for it (i'd still be willing to code it). Feedback/comments/suggestions appreciated :) Charlie - Original Message - From: Sean A Corfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: CF-Talk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, August 14, 2002 11:28 PM Subject: Re: Best Practices (was: Re: 33 and 33d the same? On Wednesday, August 14, 2002, at 04:22 , Matthew Walker wrote: In this particular case I didn't think the thread had changed. I thought I was talking about whether the concept of using Compare() negated the existence of the issue regarding 33d. I was just woken up and was eating breakfast at the time, so I may have been mistaken, as often I am at that terrible hour. Ah, the not enough coffee yet time... I know it well. Yes, looking back at the posts, there were still elements of the original question but I think I was frustrated by the 100+ (lots anyway) posts with the same subject, many of which weren't really dealing with the original issue... I just happened to pick your post to reply to because it raised a different point that I wanted
