[CTRL] Marine Dead Zone in Gulf of Mexico
-Caveat Lector- From The Scotsman: http://thescotsman.scotsman.com Massive marine dead zone forms in Gulf of Mexico JANET MCCONNAUGHEY IN NEW ORLEANS THE world's second largest dead zone has formed in the sea off the Louisiana and Texas coasts, according to scientists. Crabs, eels and other creatures usually found on the bottom of the Gulf of Mexico are swimming in crowds on the surface because there is too little oxygen in their usual habitat, said Dr Nancy Rabalais of the Louisiana Universities Marine Consortium. At 7,900 square miles, the oxygen-poor area is not quite as big as was predicted for this year, but it is still the third-largest ever mapped. We very often see swarms of crabs, mostly blue crabs and their close relatives, swimming at the surface when the oxygen is low, Dr Rabalais said from a research ship as it returned to Cocodrie, Lousiana from its annual measurement trip. But she added that eels, which usually live in sediments 60ft-70ft under water, were a less common sight on the surface. The Gulf of Mexico annually develops a vast dead zone when the supply of oxygen shrinks, causing hypoxia. This year's is about 7.5 per cent smaller than had been predicted by Eugene Turner, a professor of oceanography and coastal sciences at Louisiana State University, from his judging of nitrogen content in the Mississippi River watershed. He had predicted it would be about 8,540 square miles, which would have made it the largest dead zone measured in at least 22 years. More storms than normal may have reduced hypoxia by keeping the waters churning, Dr Rabalais said. Hypoxia occurs in the Gulf when fresh water pouring in from the Mississippi floats above the heavier salt water. Algae die and fall to the bottom, where their decay uses up oxygen faster than it can be replenished by being brought down from the surface. Eventually, the lower layer holds too little oxygen for aquatic life. Nitrogen, from fertilisers, erosion and sewage, speeds up the process by feeding algae. The Gulf's dead zone was larger in 2002 and 2001, covering 8,500 square miles and 8,006 square miles respectively. Dead zones have appeared elsewhere in the United States, and have been reported off South America, China and Japan, and in the Baltic and Black seas. *This article:* http://thescotsman.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=1183602007 *Last updated:* 29-Jul-07 00:39 BST. = Commentary: Thank you, corporate greed and inadequate waste disposal, for what's happened to our oceans. -- -- Jerod C. Batte, JERODIAN DESIGNS www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substanceânot soap-boxingâplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'âwith its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsâis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/ A HREF=http://www.mail-archive.com/ctrl@listserv.aol.com/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] WorldCom executives arrested
-Caveat Lector- Thursday, 1 August, 2002, 15:06 GMT 16:06 UK WorldCom executives arrested SEC officials allege David Myers committed fraud Two former top executives at scandal-ridden telecoms firm WorldCom have been arrested in New York. Former chief financial officer Scott Sullivan and former controller David Myers were taken into custody by Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) officials early on Thursday New York time. Mr Sullivan was led away in handcuffs by FBI agents They are here, and they are in custody, said FBI spokesman Jim Margolin. The criminal charges were not disclosed. The Department of Justice (DoJ) has scheduled a press conference for later on Thursday about the arrests and charges. Both are expected to appear in Manhattan federal court later on Thursday, an FBI spokesman said. Mr Sullivan and Mr Myers surrendered to authorities at about 1100 GMT and were taken into custody at the Federal Building in Manhattan. Sacking Separately, Mr Sullivan and Mr Myers were charged on seven counts of fraud and for filing false statements with the Securities and Exchange Commission (SEC). Their arrests follow investigations by federal authorities into the actions of the executives in their role in the $4bn (£2.5bn) accounting scandal WorldCom disclosed to the world in June. The company said it had inflated profits by claiming operating expenses as capital spending - the equivalent of treating the purchase of paper clips as a major investment in expanding the business. The disclosure of dubious accounting resulted in the sacking of Mr Sullivan and the resignation of Mr Myers. Bu the scale of the alleged fraud perpetrated at WorldCom has suggested to some that other company officials must have been involved. Not yet repaid Attention has also focused on WorldCom co-founder and - until April - chief executive Bernie Ebbers, who has not been charged with any crime. Mr Ebbers borrowed $400m from the company just before it crashed, a loan that has not yet been repaid. George W Bush, the first US president to hold a master's degree in business administration, has since deplored the practice of executives borrowing from their own companies. Thursday's high-profile arrests follow those of executives at cable operator Adelphia last week and drug firm ImClone in June. All have occurred before news cameras. Some say the arrests have been staged in such as way as to show Americans the government is actively and aggressively pursuing corporate wrong-doers. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? . Show me one fact in that article that is false. okeydokey! :) When the U.S. population becomes dominated by blacks and Hispanics, this country as we know it will cease to exist is utterly false. We will have absolutely no tax base on which to depend. Every item sold in this country will be imported from Europe and Asia. is laughable. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- hey UNniNForMEd a fact is like a statistic- malleable as fuck not that the article was exactly brimming over with facts actually more like future shock speculation... and anyway, my american friends, aren't the whiteys a minority in american now anyway? not to mention the fact that you are all immigrants who kicked the indiginous people of colour (arf) off their lands...not so recently? why the fuck should you be the majority? you don't even come from america. if it is niggers you and archie are so worried about then it'll teach you to import them to do the shitty work your great grandparents didn't want to do. lazy good for nothing fucks. - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:36 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? -Caveat Lector- There is nothing racist about FACTS. The truth is not racist. Show mean ONE FACT that is in that article that is FALSE. The article points out the RACISM of the LEFT. The author is in NO WAY racist. You are CENSORING an article because it doesn't fit your PCness. The article is right on the money. And I am not a racist. But your LEFTWING political views are. And I don't care if you scrutinize my postings, your warped sense of what is racist doesn't influence my opinions one way or the other. And I would worry more about your credibility than mine. Again, Mr. Credibility, show me ONE fact in that article that is false. -iNFoWaRZ At 03:20 AM 7/31/02 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- On 31 Jul 2002 at 3:04, iNFoWaRZ wrote: Why you would block someone on SNET for posting an article is beyond me, except blatant censorship. Racist postings are not allowed on SNETNEWS as stated in the rules that every subscriber agrees to follow as a condition of participating. It is not censorship. If you believe that the article is correct, then your credibility has just gone down several notches in my estimation, and I shall evaluate your posts with more scrutiny in the future, INFOWARZ. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? Show me one example of one nation in the world and I will agree with you. The author gives a couple examples, actual facts, that prove his statement. Can you come up with ONE example? not sure what you mean but i will gtuess that you are alluding to southafrica falling apart because of black emancipation. dickhead, that coiuntry was fucked into the ground already. any country trying to crawl out of an apartheid systemis going to be struggling. badly. and there is a good chance that it will not come good in the end. this is not down to blacks dunning their own affairs as the stupido article insists- and which you now back up. it is to do with fucking the majority of the poeople of a country into the ground for generations, not allowing them access to education, work, etc. *for generations* of course they are going to struggle. can you not see that? reverse the situation- black dominating white in exactly the same situation. do you think the noble whiteys will make a smooth transition to self determination? if you do you are a racist. simple. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 8:59 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? -Caveat Lector- Let me guess...third grade education? Have your momma wash out your filthy mouth with soap. if that is your best response then i win. :) A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- i don't see how article 5 has anything to do with what i wrote. i called him a dickhead. he kept claiming FACTS all the time- and as i said- the article is short on facts. he then got specific and said he gave a specific example and then challenged me to do the same. as i explain in my response- the example i presume is south africa. where his FACTS do not stand up at all. to nit pick my language but to avoid the arguments i am making (which i think are relevent) is a disinformation tactic- much clearer than mine and i really don't need a list to point it out to you- it is self evident. lists of disinformation tactics are all well and good but is not a list of disinformation tactics, disinformation in itself? it is isn't a fucking rulebook, you know. Call the skeptics names like conspiracy theorist, nut, ranter, kook, crackpot, and of course, rumor monger. i called him a dickhead. big deal. i did not cast aspertions against the credibility of his pissant arguments- only his pissant assumptions. Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the more reasonable government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. how have i avoided fair and open debate? i feel i have backed up my challenges to both the original article and infothingy's frothing replies. which is more than what he has managed. shouting FACTS and crying over a few sweary words is not really debate, or sophistry even, of any worth. For insurance, set up your own skeptics to shoot down. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 31, 2002 12:42 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? -Caveat Lector- Sorry c, iNFoWaRZ has a major point. If you have to use that kind of language, it takes away from whatever you have to say. Intentionally or not, you come across as a disinformation agent. I don't know if you've read 17 Techniques for Truth Suppression or 25 Rules of Disinformation (both widely available on the 'net, do a Google search for a site near you), but your last 2 posts before this one fit technique and rule #5, respectively, to a tee. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send
Re: [CTRL] LIBERTY
-Caveat Lector- fuck that, i'll just keep my Man-taken rights thankyou very much. as i said, "foaming." - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: [CTRL] LIBERTY -Caveat Lector- LIBERTY build a new nation dedicated to the principles of liberty and equality as God-given rights are pretty small." --Lyn Nofziger A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] LIBERTY
-Caveat Lector- and what, pray tell, would constitute being foreign to you? i don't see any national boundries on a mailing list... and i fail to see how my nationality has any bearing on the comments below. but then, everyone must be foreign when one is spelling one's name with mixed-case lettering and "junior hacker" spelling. arf. - Original Message - From: iNFoWaRZ To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 7:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] LIBERTY -Caveat Lector- At 02:39 AM 7/30/02 , you wrote: -Caveat Lector- fuck that, i'll just keep my Man-taken rights thankyou very much.as i said, "foaming."What are you some kind of a foreigner or something? - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 29, 2002 11:38 PM Subject: [CTRL] LIBERTY -Caveat Lector- LIBERTY build a new nation dedicated to the principles of liberty and equality as God-given rights are pretty small." --Lyn Nofziger A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research
[CTRL] UN's 'risky' Earth Summit gambit
-Caveat Lector- and people are scared of this gummy animal? pah. They give the US a trump card, allowing it to continue to exercise a veto. Tuesday, 30 July, 2002, 09:50 GMT 10:50 UK UN's 'risky' Earth Summit gambit The summit needs agreements on hope of a better life By Alex Kirby BBC News Online environment correspondent The United Nations' strategy for the World Summit on Sustainable Development (WSSD) is a risk, a senior UN official says. It aims to secure consensus on uncontentious issues, and purely voluntary agreements on more ambitious goals. The approach could go a long way to make the summit's goals a reality. But there are fears it may play into the hands of governments unwilling to make real changes. The acknowledgement that the UN's strategy is fraught with problems comes from Jan Pronk, the special envoy to the WSSD of the UN secretary-general, Kofi Annan. Mr Pronk, a former Dutch environment minister, briefing journalists in London, UK, said Johannesburg would need to agree a plan of action, with an agreed timeframe on implementation. There were three areas, constituting an action plan, needing agreement: Agenda 21, the sustainable development plan of action drawn up at the 1992 Rio Earth Summit the Millennium Goals, which Mr Pronk said effectively meant halving world poverty by 2015 financial commitments to implement the plan. There will be two levels of commitment sought from governments: consensus agreements, a sort of lowest common denominator approach, known as type one, and voluntary type two commitments, much more ambitious but entirely voluntary. Results expected Mr Pronk said: Type two is for the many countries which are willing to go further. Jan Pronk: Hopeful It will let them set up networks with other countries, with business, and with non-governmental organisations. He told BBC News Online: The cynics can certainly say this is something that may let unenthusiastic governments agree very little. But the developing countries want agreement on a text first, and then the topping-up through type two agreements. That's pragmatism, the only possible approach. This is a UN conference, and countries have been told they'll have to negotiate an outcome. It is a risky strategy. But you have to take risks. Mr Pronk said he thought preparations for Johannesburg had taken a good turn since the fractious preparatory meeting in Bali in June. All the signs are that the Bali problems are not insurmountable, he said. Attendance not optional I expect the WSSD will be a success, meaning it won't be a failure. But whether it's simply a success or a big success depends on commitment to guarantee the implementation of the action plan. Many countries see Johannesburg as an opportunity to address some of the underlying causes of alienation, frustration and the inclination towards violence. Johannesburg should tackle roots of violence George Bush should be told he can't afford not to attend. It's not a question of the US doing something for others - the interests of its people are at stake. The twin-track approach fills some observers with dismay. The UK's Royal Society for the Protection of Birds, a key environmental policy campaign body, is among them. It says it is concerned that type two agreements are principally a US cover for business as usual, and for governments to produce a weak plan of action. American support Liana Stupples, of Friends of the Earth, told BBC News Online: Type two agreements are an unproven way of trying to run the world on a whim and a guess. They give the US a trump card, allowing it to continue to exercise a veto. But Derek Osborn, chair of the UN Environment and Development UK Committee, told BBC News Online: Partnerships like this are a good idea, and a complement to effective action. That mustn't let governments off the hook. But it's easy to cast all the blame on the US. They're not being purely negative, and we sometimes have a beam in our own eye, anyway. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
Re: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority?
-Caveat Lector- whatever happens- it'll be worth it if only to see the look on archie's face. - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:38 PM Subject: [CTRL] What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? -Caveat Lector- What Happens When Whites Are No Longer The Majority? by Dave Gibson, Columnist A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bore from within
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 30, 2002 10:18 PM Subject: [CTRL] "bore from within" -Caveat Lector- http://www.chuckmorse.com/index.html America has an honored tradition, springing from the spirit of 1776, of respecting the sovereign rights of other nations. LOLand history really supports this particular assertion shyeah... maybe it is just a typo on the web addie. this might be the correct one www.chuckmoron.com A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jordan urges restraint over Iraq
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 29 July, 2002, 06:13 GMT 07:13 UK Jordan urges restraint over Iraq Abdullah called for dialogue with Iraq King Abdullah of Jordan has warned the United States not to take any military action against Iraq. He said that an attack on Iraq would open a Pandora's Box while the Israel-Palestinian conflict remained unresolved. All of us are saying: 'Hey, United States, we don't think this is a very good idea King Abdullah The king's comments, in an interview with the Times of London newspaper, come amid increasing speculation that the US is planning to topple Iraqi President Saddam Hussein. The Jordanian monarch - one of America's staunchest Arab allies - is due to hold talks with British Prime Minister Tony Blair on Monday before flying on to Washington. Hawks 'obsessed' The king expressed concern about hawks in the US administration who were fixated on Iraq. Abdullah warned against pressuring Arafat He said if they held sway, that really would destabilise American strategic interest even more in the Middle East. The monarch said the international community was united in its opposition to an attack on Iraq. All of us are saying: 'Hey, United States, we don't think this is a very good idea.' The king denied reports that Jordan would host US troops preparing to bomb Iraq. Disagreement over Arafat The king criticised President Bush's call last month for Palestinian leader Yasser Arafat to be replaced. Arafat's popularity goes up the minute you point an Israeli tank barrel at him or there is a statement out of Washington King Abdullah He said the American strategy would backfire. It is unfortunate to target any leadership in any part of the world, he told the newspaper. The majority of Palestinians, who feel that America is biased, simply to spite the Americans would probably vote for Arafat to show 'this is what we think of what you said'. He warned against exerting pressure on Mr Arafat, saying the Palestinian leader's popularity goes up the minute you point an Israeli tank barrel at him or there is a statement that comes out of Washington. The king said he felt recent Palestinian moves to stop suicide bombings were genuine. He said he believed the radical Islamic group Hamas would move away from militancy towards politics, although he said last week's unfortunate Israeli attack on Gaza would mean a delay until everybody feels they've gotten their own back. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Does an MP's sexuality matter?
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 29 July, 2002, 10:11 GMT 11:11 UK Does an MP's sexuality matter? The shadow foreign affairs minister, Alan Duncan, has become the most senior sitting Conservative MP to publicly declare that he is gay. Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith has reportedly welcomed and supported Mr Duncan's decision to reveal his sexuality. In an interview with the Times, Mr Duncan said that he had never kept his sexuality from friends and colleagues. However, he now felt that as a politician it was important for him to be honest with the public. Some Labour MPs are openly gay but Tory MPs who have been outed in the past have resigned or lost their seats. Do you agree with Alan Duncan's decision? Will it encourage political parties to become more inclusive and socially liberal? The cynic in me thinks that the timing of Alan Duncan's revelation has more to do with the struggle within the party Jeff Monk, UK As a gay male I feel it is important that we have some 'normalisation' of being gay, having leading figures come out is one way of this being achieved. I would hope this will also mean that the Tories review their position with regards to Section 28 and same sex adoption to show they truly are a modern thinking party. However the cynic in me thinks that the timing of Alan Duncan's revelation has more to do with the struggle within the party between the right wing and the modernisers. Jeff Monk, UK A man or woman's sexuality only becomes an issue when they attempt to gain advantage as a result. If we wish to treat everyone with equal respect then this must clearly also apply to homosexuality. Ian Stannard, UK It is very sad that some people cannot see beyond a gay label. Mr Duncan has achieved a huge amount for both his constituency and the Conservative Party over the past fifteen years. To suggest now that he is being honest with his electorate that he is unsuitable to be an MP is laughable. He should be applauded not castigated. Matthew Brown, Rutland, UK His decision was his personal business - it wasn't necessary to announce it though, as it makes no difference to his ability to serve his post. It's not an issue - we're in the 21st century now, let's act like it. Ryan, Oxford, UK Our MPs are supposed to be representatives of all British citizens. A sizable proportion of British citizens are gay so why the big deal that an MP is? Good luck to him! Janine Eden, Birmingham, UK Well done to Mr Duncan Mark Brave move and well done to Mr Duncan. This should be a wake up call to the Tories, that bigotry has no place in society these days and political parties cannot be seen to support it. Mark I don't care what an MP's sexuality is, so long as they are honest and don't lie and vote in the House hypocritically!! Chris, England These days I can't think why it matters what someone's sexuality is. Personally, I don't walk around telling everyone I am heterosexual, so I can't see why anyone needs to say they are homosexual. It should be a private matter. Jean, England Congratulations to Mr Duncan for making his statement. No, of course it doesn't matter whether an MP is gay or not - it's what they do in Parliament that counts, not what they do in bed! Linda, UK A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] 'I'm gay' says senior Tory MP.
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 29 July, 2002, 08:59 GMT 09:59 UK 'I'm gay' says senior Tory MP Alan Duncan speaking to the BBC's Guto Harri Senior Conservative Alan Duncan has become the first sitting Tory MP to declare publicly that he is gay. Mr Duncan's clear and unequivocal statement that he is gay comes amid apparent feuding between Tory modernisers and traditionalists. David Davis was axed as party chairman after anonymous claims that he was blocking Tory leader Iain Duncan Smith's more inclusive agenda. I hope the taboo is now broken Alan Duncan Mr Duncan Smith has welcomed and supported Mr Duncan's decision to declare his sexuality. The shadow foreign affairs minister has never kept his sexuality from friends and colleagues. He told BBC News on Monday: I hope the taboo is now broken and people can talk about politics not these sorts of issues. Central figure The MP said he had received fantastic support for his move from his Rutland and Melton Mowbray constituents. Earlier, he told the Times newspaper: The Tory view has always been, 'We don't mind, but don't say'. Well, that doesn't work any more. I think the only realistic way to behave these days, particularly if you are a politician, is to be absolutely honest. Iain Duncan Smith supports Mr Duncan's decision to come out Some Labour MPs are openly gay but Tory MPs who have been outed in the past have resigned or lost their seats. In January, the Conservative Party signalled a change in its approach to gay issues by calling for homosexual partners to be given some of the legal rights held by married couples. Mr Duncan hoped his decision would make the path of others easier but insisted that no one should feel obliged to discuss their private life. The frontbencher claimed that in the past senior colleagues would mutter behind their hands about his sexuality and thought it was too much of a risk to promote him. 'Changed mood' That sort of behaviour is an outrage, but I don't sense it applies to the party now, he added. Conservative Treasury spokesman John Bercow told BBC Radio 4's Today programme Mr Duncan's words reflected a changed Tory mood. But former Tory minister Ann Widdecombe said the party should concentrate on fighting Labour rather than talk about ideological purity. Michael Brown says there have been many gay Tories Mr Duncan has been a central figure in Tory politics for more than a decade. His home was the headquarters for John Major's successful 1990 leadership campaign and he organised William Hague's 1997 victory. He vigorously supported Michael Portillo in the most recent leadership battle but Mr Duncan Smith promoted him to shadow the Middle East minister in the wake of 11 September. Kenneth Bool, chairman of Mr Duncan's Rutland and Melton Conservative Association, praised the excellent work done by the MP. His honesty is not an act of confession, it is a refreshing act of initiative and typical of the man, said Mr Bool. It is simply not an issue, as we believe most people will take a mature view and will not be overly concerned. Mr Bool voiced the full support of the officers of the association for the MP. Liberal test Mr Duncan's decision to talk publicly about being gay will test the drive to make the Tory party more inclusive and socially liberal. Some commentators believed Michael Portillo's decision to talk about his past gay experiences hindered his attempt to become party leader. Former party chairman Norman Tebbit stressed he was backing Mr Duncan Smith in the contest because he was a normal, family man with children. Michael Brown, who resigned as a Tory whip in 1994 after the tabloids reported about his holiday with a man just below the then gay age of consent of 21, said there had always been many gay Tory MPs in the closet. What Alan Duncan has done is to make sure that next time there is a Tory MP doing this it is just one big yawn, which is what it should be today, Mr Brown told BBC News. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A
[CTRL] US 'tried to hide' bomb blunder
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 29 July, 2002, 09:59 GMT 10:59 UK US 'tried to hide' bomb blunder Many of those hit in the raid were children By Kylie Morris BBC correspondent in Kabul The Afghan Government has warned against any cover-up in the investigation into a US airstrike which killed nearly 50 people at a wedding party at the start of July. The warning came amid reports that a preliminary United Nations investigation into the bombing had found that US officials removed vital evidence from the site after the incident. The UN probe is said to have found that US troops cleaned the area - removing shrapnel, bullets and traces of blood. According to The Times newspaper, the UN report says there was no corroboration of the US claim that the aircraft that launched the attack had first been targeted from the ground. Weeks or hours? The Afghan Government says that 48 civilians died and more than 100 others were injured when US planes bombed targets in central Uruzgan Province on 1 July. The Pentagon insists it chooses targets carefully The American side said it needed several weeks to collect evidence and make a full report. But locals say US officials arrived just hours after the raid, taking photographs and filming the scene and the bodies. The UN investigation is also reported to have found that women at the bomb site had their hands tied. Inquiry continues A spokesman for Afghanistan's foreign ministry says it is premature to judge whether or not there has been a cover-up, as investigations are still ongoing, but warned there should be no cover-up from any side. He said the Afghan Government is continuing to look into the matter, and says it is taking the allegations that women's hands were forcibly tied very seriously. A spokesman for the United Nations in Afghanistan stressed the UN report is only preliminary and neither fully documented nor sufficiently substantiated. But he added that an in-depth investigation would be completed to ensure that such a tragedy did not happen again, and that the protection of civilian lives becomes a primary concern in the fight against terror. The American embassy in Kabul had no comment on the report. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Police State, American Style
-Caveat Lector-  - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: [CTRL] Police State, American Style -Caveat Lector- http://freedom.orlingrabbe.com/lfetimes/police_state_america.htmThe United States of America is a fascistic police state. Oh, wow! Whew. That wasn't so bad, after all. Was it. My hands are trembling a bit, though. I'll be fine. Give me a minute. Let me catch my breath. Huh. No one's breaking down my door. no -one is breaking down your door because "fascistic" is a comparitive description, a likeness to a fascist state... you bottled it. what you ought to have said was "fascist". america is a fascist police state. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The United Nations Loves You (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- outside of the USA the UN is ridiculed, not feared. the UN is toothless and eternally compromised (usually by the us of a) unless it's aims coincide with amerika's interests, only then does it ever get things done. if the usa is invaded by the UN it will be by proxy and no other countries will be involved. the UN is amerika's bitch. - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 1:41 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] The United Nations Loves You (fwd) On what basis do you make such a ridicoulous statement? Bill bacon I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. visit my web site at http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon My ICQ# is 79071904 for a precise list of the powers of the Federal Government linkto: http://www.voicenet.com/~wbacon/Enumerated.html On Sun, 28 Jul 2002, c. wrote: being scared of the UN is totally gay. - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Against Constitutional terrorists [EMAIL PROTECTED] Cc: Conspiracy Theory Research List [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 28, 2002 12:54 AM Subject: [CTRL] The United Nations Loves You (fwd) The United Nations Wants America's Armed Forces! http://www.getusout.org/military/index.htm The United Nations is a Terrorist Organization http://www.getusout.org/terrorism/index.htm The United Nations Wants to Take You to Court...Overseas. http://www.getusout.org/icc/index.htm The United Nations Wants to Take Your Gun! http://www.getusout.org/guns/index.htm The United Nations Wants to Decide if Your Baby Lives! http://www.getusout.org/abortion/index.htm The United Nations Wants Control of YOUR Child! http://www.getusout.org/education/index.htm The United Nations Wants to TAX you! http://www.getusout.org/taxation/index.htm The United Nations Wants to Take Your Land! http://www.getusout.org/property/index.htm - A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Fw: URGENT ATTENTION
-Caveat Lector- got this variant the other day, slightly different than the usual ones i get. actually struck up (an albiet limited) conversation with him before i forwarded his correspondence to abuse@yahoo eveery time some news agency reports the nigerian scam to have been cracked then i seem to get another one in a day or so :) - Original Message - From: tony bels [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 22, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: URGENT ATTENTION e-Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear:Erin I am barrister CHIJIOKE DICKSON,a solicitor at law. I am the personal attorney to Mr Mark.Erin ,a national of your country, who used to work with shell Development Company in Nigeria. Here in after shall be referred to as my client. On the 21st of April 1999, my client, his wife and their three Children were involved in a car accident along Sagbama express-road. All occupants of the vehicle unfortunately lost their lives. Since then I have made several enquiries to your embassy to locate any of my clients extended relatives this has also proved unsuccessful. After these several unsuccessful attempts, I decided to track his last name over the Internet, to locate any member of his family hence I contacted you. I have contacted you to assist in repatriating the money and property left behind by my client before they get confiscated or declared unserviceable by the bank here these huge deposits were lodged. Particularly, the eco bank lnternatlonal where the deceased had an account valued at about $7million dollars has issued me a notice to provide the next of kin or have the account confiscated within the next tenofficial working days. Since I have been unsuccessful in locating the relatives for over 2 years now I seek your consent to present you as the next of kin of the deceased since you have the same last name so that the proceeds of this account valued at $7million dollars can be paid to you and then you and me can share the money. 60% to me and 40% to you I have all necessary legal documents that can be used to back up any claim we maymake.e.Mail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] All I require is your honest cooperation to enable us seeing this deal through. I guarantee that this will be executed under a legitimate arrangement that will protect you from any breach of the law. Best regards, DHIJIOKE DICKSON(Esq) __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - Feel better, live better http://health.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Now US opposes UN anti-torture protocol--REPORT
-Caveat Lector- what a fucking joke. every day nearly we see more of Amerika's decline into a world dictatorship. the ideals established with the creation of the states are either being made a mockery of- or else this is all part of the plan. and i keeping thinking of the fact that amerikan seem to be the only people that are so convinced and so heavily opinionated abut their country being the best place to live in, i just don't see brits and germans and french people being so taken in by their countries own hype. there seems to be a realism and healthy cynicism regarding their country and their politicians. highlighting this is the reaction to george michael's video recently. just watching this woman- so earnest- telling Michae;l that when he criticises george bush then he is in fact criticising the country and the people too, that he is attacking america. how fucking sad laughable, etc... the nationalist fever in amerika is obscene. you got attacked (allegedly) by a group of terrorists. big fucking deal. the way it is being dealt with shows the immaturity of amerika as a state. welcome to the real world where forign policy dictates the reactions to that policy. - Original Message - From: Jei [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 9:47 AM Subject: [CTRL] Now US opposes UN anti-torture protocol--REPORT -Caveat Lector- -Original Message- From: International Justice Watch Discussion List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Kathy Kadane Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 10:35 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Now US opposes UN anti-torture protocol--REPORT U.S. trying to block U.N. vote on anti-torture plan http://www.nandotimes.com/nation/story/476642p-3809275c.html By DAFNA LINZER, Associated Press UNITED NATIONS (July 24, 2002 2:26 p.m. EDT) - Concerned about the possibility of independent visits to U.S. civilian and military prisons, the United States sought Wednesday to block a vote on a U.N. plan meant to enforce a convention on torture. The United States wants negotiations on the plan reopened, a move human rights groups say could kill the proposal, which they believe is essential to ending torture around the world. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Huge US Army Simulation 'Exercise' To Begin In 26 States
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tony Dickinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 25, 2002 4:18 PM Subject: [CTRL] Huge US Army Simulation 'Exercise' To Begin In 26 States -Caveat Lector- Would the experiment thus involve members of 'the enemy culture' then ? yes Maybe the 'Taliban Prisoners' being held in Cuba' or others currently being held in the USA are schedulled to be involved. no point I would be interested to know who the subjects of the personalities with such measurable reactions are to be the amerikan public? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives'
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 3:47 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives' -Caveat Lector- So why are you so upset that, for once, the Americans decided NOT to kill? :-D gee, missy, i jus' guess th' 'mericans jus' can never get it the right way round. . the village idiot of the global village. the bully too. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives'
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 4:04 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives' I went to PP for a pregnancy test; turns out I was pregnant with my 9 year old. I had no health insurance or steady job at the time, and they advertise low-cost comprehensive women's health care. As soon as the results came back positive, the counselor, who never asked how I felt about being pregnant, gave me a business card with the phone number of their affiliated abortion clinic. She just ASSUMED that I was going to have an abortion. When I informed her that abortion was completely out of the question and that I was going to have this baby and wished for prenatal care, she explained that they did no such thing, suggested I call the local hospital, and showed me the door. Maybe the pregnancy test showed that my baby was a boy, and therefore not entitled to low-cost comprehensive women's health care. the free clinics are in por areas because they cannot afford private clinics. duh. how you can equate that with class war is beyond me. and you finally admit that the elites are being sold too... so - now it isn't class war at all.. so- what is it now? a liberal conspiracy to kill all men because they are all potential rapists? oh yeah, that sounds mighty fine. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Enron scandal hits US banks
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday, 24 July, 2002, 06:34 GMT 07:34 UK Bankers tried to explain their role in Enron's accounting Two of the world's largest banks stand accused by US congressional investigators of helping disgraced energy firm Enron, and at least ten other companies, hide billions in debt. The accusation saw shares in Citigroup and JP Morgan Chase slump almost a fifth, reinforcing the gloom shrouding US stock markets. Representatives of the two banks failed to convince a US Senate hearing convened on Monday that they had innocently entered into accounting schemes for the disgraced energy giant. Investors rushed to ditch their shares in the banks, with Citigroup closing 16% lower and JP Morgan down 18%, an immense fall for such high-profile companies. 'Accounting sham' The banks' troubles follow the collapse of the accountants Andersen, brought down by the accusation it had knowingly helping Enron to hide behind shady accounting practices. Enron was assisted by Citicorp and Chase, said Senator Levin Experts have now told investigators that Enron would not have been able to dupe investors without the assistance of its bankers. Chase and Citicorp knew what Enron was doing, assisted Enron in the deceptions, and profited from their actions, said Senator Carl Levin, chairman of the sub-committee on investigations, calling the action an accounting sham. During a 10-hour grilling, executives from both banks insisted their actions - which, the committee says, effectively disguised the debts that eventually brought Enron to its knees as trading revenues - were lawful and a legitimate alternative form of financing. And the transactions are thought to be acceptable under US accountancy rules. But sub-committee chairman Senator Carl Levin lambasted executives for failing to recognise the transaction as problematic and potentially damaging to investors. Disguised trading The controversy centres on a total of $8bn of loans known as pre-pay transactions. Senate hearings are set to continue The loans were disguised on Enron's accounts as future energy trades. If Enron had properly accounted for the loans, its total debt would have increased by about 40% and it would have suffered a credit downgrade, according to the chief investigator Robert Roach. That would almost certainly have killed off the company's hopes of avoiding bankruptcy a lot earlier. Credit ratings agencies were also defending their corner before the investigators on Tuesday, pleading ignorance. And the report from the investigators made it clear that Enron was not the only beneficiary of the banks' assistance. Chase informed the subcommittee that it entered into Enron-style prepays with seven companies apart from Enron, the report said. Citigroup indicated that it shopped the idea to 14 companies apart from Enron, successfully selling it to at least three. Multiple scandals The collapse of Enron in December triggered the current crisis in investor confidence. It admitted that it had inflated its profits, casting grave doubts over the accounting methods used by US firms. That prompted a series of investigations into other firms, including WorldCom which has also now admitted to overstating its profits and has since filed for bankruptcy. President George W Bush has vowed to weed out corporate wrongdoing in the US, and numerous investigations are underway. The Enron hearings will continue on Wednesday. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who are the good guys?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 24, 2002 1:26 PM Subject: [CTRL] Who are the good guys? -Caveat Lector- Thanks for pointing that out, Kris. And this raises a question that should be asked more often: If you were a people who opposed capitalism and hated the nation promoting capitalism worldwide, would you try to destroy that nation; and if so, how would you do it? pity that america is not a capitalist country then, isn't it? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives'
-Caveat Lector- Tuesday, 23 July, 2002, 04:24 GMT 05:24 UK US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives' There is a strong anti-abortion lobby in the States The head of the United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) has warned that America's decision to withhold $34m in funds from the agency will cost lives. UNFPA Executive Director Thoraya Obaid said the loss of the money would be devastating for woman and families in the poorest countries. Women and children will die because of this decision Thoraya Obaid UNFPA It comes after Washington said it was diverting the payments because, it said, UNFPA helped China enforce a one-child policy and encouraged abortions among Chinese women. But Ms Obaid said the agency was pro-life and was trying to persuade China not to coerce people into terminating pregnancies. UN Secretary-General Kofi Annan also expressed his disappointment at the US action, saying the UNFPA does not go around encouraging abortions. UN anger The BBC's UN correspondent, Greg Barrow, says officials from the UNFPA have been steeling themselves for this announcement since the beginning of the year. The agency has been targeted by religious right-wingers He says the UN agency, which is dedicated to improving women's reproductive health rights, has been the subject of a carefully co-ordinated campaign in America by religious right-wingers and groups opposed to birth control. State Department spokesman Richard Boucher said the US decided to pull out because the funds go to Chinese agencies that carry out coercive policies, including abortion and forced sterilisation. The state department said the money would go towards other family planning programmes run by a US agency. Ms Obeid said the US move contradicted the findings of a US report into whether the UNFPA encouraged abortions in China. That report recommended all of the $34m be released to the UNFPA after finding the agency did not support terminations in China Health risks She said that women and children will die because of this decision. George W Bush is under pressure from the right The agency chief said the funds would have helped prevent two million unwanted pregnancies, nearly 800,000 forced abortions, 4,700 maternal deaths and 77,000 infant and child deaths. She said abortion rates were declining in the parts of China where the agency operates. America's contribution to the UNFPA comprised 12% of the agency's budget. Last year, the UNFPA spent $3.5m in China. The money for programmes such as health services during pregnancy and birth and protection against sexual diseases will now have to derive from a different source. The dispute is the latest in a series of rows between America and its allies. Europe, the United Nations, Canada and Japan were unhappy at America's decision to opt out of the Kyoto protocol on climate change, and more recently America nearly pulled out of the international war crimes court. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives'
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 1:44 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives' -Caveat Lector- I usually don't get into this debate online, but ... 1. Abortion is part of the NWO elite's population reduction plan. Notice it is never the elites who are expected to have abortions, always the just plain folks. who has been expected to have an abortion? and what evidence have you that this scheme was coercing plain folk to abort? and if you can give evidence of that- then give evidence of the social status of the people- so we can make an assessment of whether they are elite or plain. it is perfectly fine if you personally don't like abortion. no-one NO-ONE is going to make you have one. but for others who wish to abort- then it is nothing to do with your opinion. the UN plan was sound. scuppered cause the anti-abortionist fascists (and i use that in the cleanest, most applicable way in this instance) paid vast amounts to Bush's electoral campaign. not scuppered because it was wrong do you really believe the spin? the only reason the UN will bethe engine of the NWO is if it is manipulated by the USA, the only superpower AND the only country dissacociating itself from EVERY fucking world operation. except when it wants to kill, it seems to be fine with that sort of thing and trying to get the rest of the world onside. but not when it means doing anything else. the list is long- i won't patronise you by repeating all the opt outs in recent months, years. fucking horribly pathetic. it is not the UN we fear- it is the USA. they show willing to dominate in a way the UN does not. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives'
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2002 9:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] US fund withdrawal 'will cost lives' -Caveat Lector- --- c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: who has been expected to have an abortion? Look where they put the abortion clinics. I'll use northern New Jersey for an example: Newark, Paterson, Morristown, Dover, Bloomfield, Phillipsburg, Englewood, mainly low-income areas. Not in West Caldwell, Mountain Lakes, Saddle River, Basking Ridge, mainly high income areas. Look up Planned Parenthood in your local phone book. Is it in the rich neighborhood or the slum? Rich folks can afford private abortions. so... rich people have private abortions because they can afford it and there is nothing sinister with that. i agree. but poor poeple who would have an abortion but cannot pay for a private abortion clinic- well- giving them free clinics is class war come now tenorlove that is a fatuous thing to say. Public abortion monies are used to keep the poor folks (in the U.S. read: black and Hispanic) from overrunning their territories. and private clinics to stop the dilution of the breed by having a top heavy class system, right? It's class war, plain and simple. BTW, how does the last paragraph you wrote fit in with my (paraphrased) assertion that family planning agencies are genocidal, particularly against women? it is in reference to the original article i posted that you replied to. abortion is just the issue here- but the background is america yet again opting out from everything in the past few months. it is boring. oh yeah, except from killing and invading and preserving american interestes at other's expense. they like everyone to be part of that game. the UN is not scarey to non americans... it is america that is scarey. it is laughable that so many (so, so many) americans feel that there really might be a chance of UN troops invadin america- or being invited in by Feds so funny. the UN is toothless unless it's operation is coincidentally coinciding with Amerika's interests. so if it is UN troops on your streets- it will be americans wearing the blue helmets. cool, uh? containment is sweet. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Chilling Effects Clearinghouse
-Caveat Lector- http://www.chillingeffects.org/ Chilling Effects Clearinghouse A joint project of the Electronic Frontier Foundation and Harvard, Stanford, Berkeley, University of San Francisco, and University of Maine law school clinics. Do you know your online rights? Have you received a letter asking you to remove information from a Web site or to stop engaging in an activity? Are you concerned about liability for information that someone else posted to your online forum? If so, this site is for you. Chilling Effects aims to help you understand the protections that the First Amendment and intellectual property laws give to your online activities. We are excited about the new opportunities the Internet offers individuals to express their views, parody politicians, celebrate their favorite movie stars, or criticize businesses. But we've noticed that not everyone feels the same way. Anecdotal evidence suggests that some individuals and corporations are using intellectual property and other laws to silence other online users. Chilling Effects encourages respect for intellectual property law, while frowning on its misuse to chill legitimate activity. The website offers background material and explanations of the law for people whose websites deal with topics such as Fan Fiction, Copyright, Domain Names and Trademarks, Anonymous Speech, and Defamation. In addition, we want your help. We are gathering a searchable database of Cease and Desist notices sent to Internet users like you. We invite you to input Cease and Desist letters that you've received into our database. We will respond by linking the legalese in the letters to FAQs that explain the allegations in plain English. Periodically, we will issue weather reports assessing the climate for Internet activity based on the letters we receive and news reports. What areas (topics, legal categories, jurisdictions) are coolest to online conduct? What activities risk being frozen out altogether? What conduct gets the warmest reception? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] info anarchy
-Caveat Lector- http://www.infoanarchy.org Mission statement What this site is about: Reviews of File Sharing / Anonymity Tools Announcements of New Releases Ideas and Concepts Legal Proceedings, Statements and other Relevant News Viewpoints ... Why we are here: In the past centuries, technological progress has exponentially increased our ability to communicate. First there were one-to-many media: orators, priests in churches. Then came the few-to-many media: newspapers, radio, TV. In both environments it was possible to control the flow of information and to treat information as property, as if it were something scarce like any other good offered on the free market. With the rise of the Internet, many-to-many communication became possible. Everyone can reach everyone, theoretically at least. In a many-to-many environment, intellectual property laws can no longer be enforced without controlling any information exchanged between any two persons or groups. This cannot be automated since automats cannot be taught the difference between good information and bad information, there are too many false positives and false negatives, as porn filters clearly show (although porn should be easier to control since there are so many people who claim to recognize it when they see it -- have you ever met someone who recognizes copyrighted content when he sees it?) . Additionally, in a restrictive environment, users will find ways to disguise improper information as proper information. So you would need nearly one human watcher for each user, since you would have to control them all of the time. This is, obviously, impossible. The only way to enforce intellectual property in such an environment is therefore by changing the environment back to what it was before, i.e. by turning back time. This is what the industry is currently trying to do. By outlawing hyperlinks and peer-to-peer sharing software, they are effectively trying to pull us back from many-to-many to few-to-many. They would like the Internet to be just TV with some extra features. This is, obviously, in violation of the First Amendment, other national free speech laws, and the internationally guaranteed right to freedom of speech. It is also, obviously, extremely stupid and dangerous. Mass media were utilized in some of the most atrocious crimes in human history, from the crusades to the Holocaust to, in more recent times, the genocide in Rwanda and the massacres in East Timor. People were manipulated to believe that their lives and lives of others were in immediate danger (Pagans rape women, kill children, Jews rape women, kill children, Tutsi rape women, kill children ..). This is very effective, since mass media enjoy a very high credibility. What they report is perceived as true, especially when there are no alternative sources. How do you want to tell whether a genocide is really happening -- which would require intervention -- or whether its portrayal is just an attempt to manipulate you in some direction or another, with most or all information sources in the hands of very few people? The answer is that you can't. This is not only dangerous for the freedom of the general population, but also for those in power. For without freedom of speech of the masses, important information will not find its way to them. Any environment that restricts thinking of the powerless will also restrict thinking of the powerful, in a sort of feedback effect that is inevitable. Had Hitler gotten the nuclear bomb, the world would be a pile of debris today. It was, to some degree, pure chance, that he didn't (it was also the result of Hitler's own restriction of freedom of speech) as was the nuclear arms race in the Cold War. In the long term, everyone is the victim when freedom of speech is restricted. Take the Greenhouse Effect as another example: Instead of reducing CO2 emissions, companies pay PR flacks to say that it doesn't exist, produce pseudo-scientific videos, bribe mainstream media to print/not to print certain stories, etc. etc. Or the effects of tobacco on health: Hundreds of pseudo-scientific studies are produced, mass media are used as an outlet for obvious lies, etc. In both cases, company CEOs and their children will inevitably become the victims of their own propaganda: They will live in a world with a depleted ozone layer, with global warming, they might get lung cancer from smoking. Do they believe in their own lies? Yes, of course. They have no other choice since they try to stifle the sources of all contradicting information. That is one reason why we need many-to-many media like the Internet, with no central control allowing dictators or corporations to put us all in danger and to throw us back into the Dark Ages. Most dictatorships are fully aware of (and afraid of) the power of the Net, and that's why they are rigorously trying to censor the Net. If we do the same, we are no better than they are. In fact, we will become closer to them the more we do
[CTRL] Saddam fights back!
-Caveat Lector- http://www.canoe.ca/Columnists/margolis_jul21.html July 21, 2002 Saddam fights back! How the Iraqi leader might reply to President George Bush's sabre-rattling By ERIC MARGOLIS -- Contributing Foreign Editor American President George Bush has been demanding a regime change in evil Iraq, which he plans to invade. Saddam Hussein's possible reply, from Baghdad: My fellow Iraqis, it's time for a 'regime change' in the United States. President George W. Bush must go! Bush is a danger to Americans, and to the whole globe. America has become a 'rogue state' that threatens world peace and stability. Oh, my brothers, America is the nexus of evil! I have just ordered our intelligence services to help Americans overthrow Bush and his evil clique. We are giving military training and cash to the Hells Angels, Louis Farrakhan's Nation of Islam, and the Michigan Militia. I've ordered our fearless agents to kidnap Bush and bring him to Baghdad. If he resists, they are authorized to shoot - in 'self-defense.' Defectors from America report the U.S. is the grandfather of weapons of mass destruction: over 8,000 nuclear weapons, 31,200 tons of chemical weapons, and enough biological warfare agents such as anthrax, botulism, plague, Q-fever, and rap music to wipe out the globe twice. The U.S. is the only nation to actually have used atomic weapons, killing 240,000 civilians, and it is thinking about using them again. Israel, which keeps threatening nuclear attacks on us and our Iranian brothers, developed its secret nuclear and biowarfare programs with covert American aid. So did Britain, France and India. America is a major proliferator of nuclear technology. Back in the 1980s, when we were still America's ally, the U.S. supplied us with the very chemical weapons and germ warfare stocks it howls about today. Speaking of biowarfare, we all know how in 1991 the U.S. destroyed our dams, reservoirs, water pumping stations, filtration plants and sewage systems in the Mother of all Battles. After the war, the U.S. refused to allow us to import materials to repair our destroyed sanitary systems - even banning chlorine to purify our water. The ensuing epidemics killed a million of our children. The U.S. refuses to allow inspection of its nuclear, chemical, or biological warfare arsenals, or to destroy the nuclear warheads it now possesses. Without inspection and destruction of America's weapons of mass destruction, the world cannot be safe. Who knows, the U.S. might strike at any nation that displeases it! Just last week, U.S. Secretary of State Colin Powell warned Washington 'reserves the right' to overthrow all regimes it considers a danger. The U.S. is developing new 'mini-nukes' called 'Arab busters' for use against Third World nations. Who's next? As for terrorism, we suspect the United States had links to Osama bin Laden and his terrorists. After all, didn't the U.S. finance most of the militant Islamic groups? The U.S. has sponsored terrorist groups here in Iraq and in Iran, Libya, Cuba, El Salvador, Congo, Nicaragua, Angola, Sudan and Indonesia. The U.S. tried to assassinate Egypt's president, Gamal Abdel Nasser, Iran's Islamic leadership, that crazy Khadafy in Libya, Gen. Adid in Somalia and, last, but not least, my humble self. Our prisons are full of U.S.-sponsored terrorists who sought to overthrow our glorious revolutionary regime and murder its heroic leaders. Now, a crazy cabal of petro-imperialists, Israeli agents of influence, fanatical Christian fundamentalists, Pentagon warmongers and Bush's pit bull poodle, Tony Blair, are plotting to invade beautiful Iraq. Then they plan to take their anti-Muslim crusade to Iran, Syria, Yemen, Libya, Lebanon - and any other nations that refuse to kiss America's feet. Bush's Texas imperialists are determined to turn the world into a U.S. version of the British Empire. The people in the Pentagon pulling Bush's strings know our beloved Iraq has the Mideast's second largest oil reserves after Saudi Arabia - perhaps the biggest, only Allah knows. Oil will soon be in very short supply worldwide. Even George Bush Jr., of Texas baseball, can understand this. America wants our oil. Watch out, Canada - your water may be next. I'm also deeply concerned about the welfare of America's suffering people. Their stock markets, accountant firms, brokerage houses and investment banks were run by super-crooks who make Ali Baba's 40 thieves look like simple melon merchants. Some of Bush's pals defrauded America's workers of their life savings, stole their pensions, and may yet cause a world financial crisis. In Iraq, such criminals would be shot and their families billed for the bullets. 'The Mother of all Lies' Now, after wrecking America's economy, the war party in Washington is whipping up hysteria by fabricating tales claiming we intend to attack America with all sorts of nefarious weapons. This is the Mother of all Lies. We were proctologically inspected for
[CTRL] Net weathers WorldCom fallout
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 22 July, 2002, 12:14 GMT 13:14 UK Net weathers WorldCom fallout WorldCom's network girdles the globe Browsing the web is not going to get slower and your e-mail messages are not going to take longer to arrive now that WorldCom has gone into bankruptcy protection. WorldCom controls almost 30% of the biggest net cables in the US but these wires are to be kept operating as the telecoms giant refinances its business. Experts predict that there is more than enough spare capacity to soak up the data needs of WorldCom's customers should the financing fail and the company sell off or shut down its network. European customers seem to have little reason to worry. WorldCom's subsidiaries outside the US have declared that they will continue trading normally. Damage limitation WorldCom's strategy of aggressive acquisition has put it to the top of many tables listing who owns or runs most networks. Research by US consultancy Telegeography shows that WorldCom runs 30% of the capacity of the 20 biggest backbone networks in the US. This is more than the combined totals of four of its biggest rivals. WorldCom boss Sidgmore said its network would keep running The research also shows that WorldCom controls or gives net access to more than 3,400 networks around the world. Its rivals ATT and Sprint each control barely half as many. But the figures reveal that despite WorldCom's size it still does not have a controlling share of the net's data cables. The internet is arranged as a network of networks. There is no single cable that connects all parts to every other. This makes the network very good at handling congestion caused by, for example, the sudden disappearance of cables because there are many alternative routes for traffic to travel. Problems might arise if WorldCom suddenly decided to turn off its network and abandon its customers. In June 2000, WorldCom's network suffered an outage that meant delays for traffic right across the US portion of the internet. Internet weather reports from that date show latency, or delays, creeping up as the WorldCom network struggled to cope with the amount of network traffic passing through it. Bandwidth boom But, so far, it looks unlikely that WorldCom will suddenly turn off its cables. You do not tend to see black holes opening up, said a spokeswoman for the London Internet Exchange (Linx) - where the UK's net service providers swap traffic. She said that because WorldCom was seeking bankruptcy protection, its network would keep running. Networks do not just disappear, she said. They tend to run until someone takes over that particular network. She said that the experience people had with KPNQwest was likely to be repeated. Although that network was recently threatened with closure, it kept going for a month before it started to be turned off. But even if WorldCom did flip the switch, the impact is likely to be slight because many of WorldCom's customers are probably already looking for alternative suppliers of net access. As a result, a sudden switch-off would inconvenience far fewer people. Finally, the boom in dot.coms and all things internet has produced an over supply of network capacity. Telegeography estimates that in 2001, there was five times more cable capacity available than was actually being used. The disappearance of WorldCom would barely dent that huge glut. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Go on, call Bush's bluff
-Caveat Lector- Go on, call Bush's bluff If Iraq lets the arms inspectors back in, America's case for war will be exposed as fiction Hans von Sponeck Monday July 22, 2002 The Guardian During the 17 months of the Bush administration just about everything has gone wrong for the US government in preparing the public for military strikes against Iraq. Convincing friendly governments and allies has not fared much better. Acts of terrorism against US facilities overseas and the anthrax menace at home could not be linked to Iraq. Evidence of al-Qaida/lraq collaboration does not exist, neither in the training of operatives nor in support to Ansar-al-Islam, a small fundamentalist group which allegedly harbours al-Qaida elements and is trying to destabilise lraqi Kurdistan. In the aftermath of the carnage of September 11, the political landscape in the Middle East has changed dramatically. Years of US double standards in dealing with the Palestinian-Israeli conflict have taken a heavy toll. The Arab, Turkish and Kurdish public in the area is wary of facing more turmoil, suffering and uncertainty. The Beirut summit of the Arab League in March signalled that all 22 governments want to see an end to the conflict with Iraq. Saudi Arabia and Iraq have since reopened their border at Arar and Saudi businessmen are selling their wares in Baghdad. Iraq has agreed to return Kuwait's national archives and to discuss the issue of missing Kuwaitis. Iran and Iraq have accelerated the exchange of refugees. Syria has normalised its relations with Iraq. Lebanon has done the same. Hardly a week passes without Turkish and Jordanian officials and business delegations visiting Iraq. Jordan's national airline flies five times a week between Amman and Baghdad. Airlinks exist between Damascus and Baghdad. Iraqi Kurdistan maintains contacts with Baghdad at scientific, cultural and sports levels and tries to make the best out of its present (albeit tenuous) local stability. Iraq's political and economic isolation in the Middle East is all but over. A wave of senior US visitors has tried to dislocate these trends towards normalisation and reconciliation in this troubled region. The US administration has put the UN secretary general on a short leash in his meetings with the Iraqi authorities. The only topic worthy of discussion according to the Americans is the return to Iraq of the UN arms inspectors. This became most apparent during the recently concluded talks with the Iraqis in Vienna. Europe is increasingly uncomfortable with this unilateral insistence on solving the Iraqi conflict militarily. In varying degrees the same applies to countries in the Middle East. Saudi Arabia has served notice that the Sultan air base near Riyadh will not be available for a new US offensive against Iraq. Under severe US pressure, Qatar has agreed to permit the transfer of logistics from Saudi Arabia to its territory. A political crisis is looming in Jordan as a result of US demands to use Jordan as a possible staging area in a war against Iraq. A similar debacle will face the Turkish government once the prime minister, Bulent Ecevit, decides to relinquish his post and fresh elections are scheduled. An entire region is being destabilised to suit American preferences for political change in Iraq. Concurrently, a systematic dis- and mis-information campaign, one of the biggest ever undertaken by the US authorities, is intensifying. The US and the international public are being sedated daily with increasing doses of propaganda about the threat Iraq poses to the world in 2002. In the forefront of those advocating war against Iraq has been the US deputy secretary of defence, Paul Wolfowitz, who sees a military solution as the only option. On July 14 he stated in Istanbul: President Bush has made it clear how dangerous the current Iraqi regime is to the United States and that it represents a danger we cannot live with indefinitely. To make such statements without offering supporting evidence is irresponsible. It promotes government-induced mass hysteria in the US and is meant to garner bipartisan support for military action. A war on Iraq justified by conjecture is politically foolish and morally repugnant. In the words of the Archbishop of Wales, Dr Rowan Williams: It is deplorable that the world's most powerful nations continue to regard war, and the threat of war, as an acceptable instrument of foreign policy. The US Department of Defence and the CIA know perfectly well that today's Iraq poses no threat to anyone in the region, let alone in the United States. To argue otherwise is dishonest. They know, for example, that al-Dora, formerly a production centre for vaccine against foot and mouth disease on the outskirts of Baghdad, and al-Fallujah, a pesticide and herbicide manufacturing unit in the western desert, are today defunct and beyond repair. The UN concluded the former had been involved in biological agent research and development and the latter in
[CTRL] 9/11 documentary shows restraint
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 22 July, 2002, 10:55 GMT 11:55 UK 9/11 documentary shows restraint Parts of the film are heart rending (pic: Boudicon One/AP) By Paul Reynolds BBC News Online World Affairs correspondent A documentary about the 11 September attacks in the US has upset some of the families of victims. But what exactly is shown in the programme? The documentary the BBC is to show on 11 September about the collapse of the twin towers of the World Trade Center is gripping and agonising, but it also shows considerable restraint. After it went out in the United States on the CBS network on 11 March, six months after the attack, one of the widows Judith Murphy told the New York Times: That was very well done ... it's important for people not to forget. Her husband Brian had been at a meeting on the 105th floor of the North Tower. Judith Murphy had tucked up their two small daughters in bed before she watched the programme. When I saw this film I felt it contained nothing which would cause needless offence. The clean-up operation took months It does contain a lot which is heart wrenching. That was the nature of the event. The viewer is taken into the cauldron. Yet there is no sense of the camera being a voyeur, just a witness. Slow build-up It was filmed by two French brothers Jules and Gideon Naudet who had been tracking a rookie fireman named Tony in a firehouse in lower Manhattan. There is a slow build-up to 11 September: Tony and the brothers get frustrated that there have been no fires for weeks. But Jules and Gideon do not give up and they settle into firehouse life. They even cook the firefighters a dinner. Then everything changed. Inspired On the morning of 11 September, Jules Naudet goes out with a crew to investigate a reported gas leak not far from the World Trade Center. Two French brothers made the film A plane is heard overhead and, in one of the most inspired pieces of camerawork ever, Jules pans up to catch the shot of the first plane hitting the North Tower. There is a repeated expletive from someone off camera. You have probably seen this shot - it was the only one released immediately. The documentary is really about what happened next. Jules rushes with the fire chief to the lobby of the Tower which had been hit. Suffering His restraint is demonstrated by his decision not to point his camera at what he saw on entering the lobby. A woman was on fire, caught by burning aircraft fuel which had poured down the lift shaft. In the documentary he says that the woman's suffering was not the kind of thing others should be shown. He is right. And it is not shown. He is equally restrained over what is perhaps the most shocking thing in the programmme, which is not film at all but sound. Noise It is the sound of bodies hitting the pavement outside the building, the bodies of those who had jumped. These are not shown either. But the noise punctuates the narrative. What is shown is the human face of the tragedy and what comes over, above all, is the chaos of those moments. Nobody really knew what was happening. The firefighters gathered in the lobby and went up into the unknown. The fire chiefs set up a command post but appeared to have little information. Even when the South Tower collapsed, people in the North Tower lobby did not know what had happened. The film catches the extreme intensity of that moment - the dust, the confusion, the evacuation of amazingly calm people, the search by firefighters for a way out. Jules Naudet also filmed the removal of chaplain Mychal Judge's body though little can be seen in the confusion and darkness. Chaplain Judge died from a heart attack in the lobby. Only minutes before he had been seen on film, praying. And meanwhile outside, Gideon Naudet was filming the destruction of the towers, always wondering where his brother was and fearing the worst. Slowly the stragglers from the firehouse return. The brothers are re-united and one of the first things Jules, always the professional, says is: I got the plane hitting the building. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A
[CTRL] Row over fingerprinting in schools
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 22 July, 2002, 16:02 GMT 17:02 UK Row over fingerprinting in schools Prints are said to make libraries more efficient Tens of thousands of children are being fingerprinted in school - often without the consent of their parents, a human rights group has complained. Prints are taken for a library lending system which the makers say makes lending more efficient and less vulnerable to abuse. But the pressure group Privacy International says the practice is illegal and breaches the human right to privacy. Dangerous One of the makers of the technology, Micro Librarian Systems (MLS), say they have sold about 1,000 systems to schools in the UK and abroad. Simon Davies, of the campaign group Privacy International says the practice is dangerous, illegal and unnecessary. He says the use of the technology should be banned in schools. It de-humanises our children and degrades their human rights, he said. Such a process has the effect of softening children up for such initiatives as ID cards and DNA testing. It's clearly a case of 'get them while they're young'. They are seen as a soft target for this technology. Encrypted The group says it has been contacted by parents who are angry that they have not been asked for to give their consent for the fingerprinting. Manufacturers MLS say it would be very difficult for a third party to access the prints and make use of them. The company's technology director Stephen Phillips said: The system does not store the actual fingerprint, but a map of it which takes in the print's key features. The image is then compressed and encrypted, so it would take a lot of effort to use it. People who have nothing to hide - why would they worry? Mr Phillips said the company advised schools to consult or inform parents before they used the technology. He said only two parents had complained about the use of the technology to the company. Privacy International says it expects there to be legal challenges to the use of the technology in schools. But the government's information commissioner does not believe the system is breaking any laws or conventions. Assistant to the commissioner, Phil Boyd said: It is not in breach of the data protection act and it does not contravene the human rights act. He said officials had been to check the system and thought it was impressive in terms of the security of the data. If it was being used to track pupils it would be different, but this use of the technology is fine, he said. Officials at the Department for Education said the matter was one for head teachers and governing bodies, who had to ensure they stayed within the law. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- same place that told him to BUY BUY BUY! erm... arf. - Original Message - From: Nessie SFBG [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 8:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. And you know this, how? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- oh, i see! it is *you* that is the source of all the rampant testosterone on the list that the lovely mermaid was banging on about if steve's (accurate) quote says spineless to you, then yours says redneck to me. quit drinking Bud- it very rarely contains actual beer. - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- your butt hehehehe ... but not mine, matey- you keep the boogers and trolls of your handler's investments in parts of the world where their interests might be threatened. oh and i hear that the british forces sometimes do America's shittier cleaning up work for them too. cool. i bet the pride must run right through you. my daddy only referred to you as suckers. and since when did one of our plucky boys in kahki refer to tea as anything BUT british? strange. and stranger still is having to cultivate a taste for it. that just doesn't sound too british to me... not a minority are you by any chance? - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 11:10 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Spineless was your word, pal ! Some wussies do have spines, they just have to rediscover them. I don't drink alcohol. I have recently cultivated a taste for British tea, while running through some hills with my SAS counterparts, trying to keep the boogers and trolls off your butt. Redneck, eh...I'll bet your daddy would probably have called us baby killers too...to which I'll just quote you, from your message to the lovely Mermaid... Bite Me ! , jao At 10:16 AM 07/19/2002 +0100, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- oh, i see! it is *you* that is the source of all the rampant testosterone on the list that the lovely mermaid was banging on about if steve's (accurate) quote says spineless to you, then yours says redneck to me. quit drinking Bud- it very rarely contains actual beer. - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 10:05 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- Did you see this in your K-mart crystal ball ? BTW. your quote reads like a defeatist wuss. Go back to K-mart and see if they have a bluelight special on gonadsquit drinking bottled water, it contains estrogen. :) jao At 11:23 PM 07/18/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- The next terrorist attack is planned for the Golden Gate Bridge. Steve In little more than a year we have gone from enjoying peace and the most prosperous economy in our history, to a nation plunged into war, recession and fear. This is a nation being transformed before our very eyes. http://www.truthout.com Steve Wingate, Webmaster ANOMALOUS IMAGES AND UFO FILES http://www.anomalous-images.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL
Re: [CTRL] Attack
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 19, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Attack -Caveat Lector- At 04:33 AM 07/19/2002 -0700, you wrote: -Caveat Lector- --- John A. O'Neal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bite Me ! , Make sure Mike Tyson doesn't hear ya snort Hehehe ! Can't imagine Tyson on CTRL no surprise that you cannot, the limit of your imaginative capacity has been adequately demonstrated so far. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Bush's niece jailed over drugs
-Caveat Lector- how depressing. check that last sentence. the bushes *are* your fucking royal family. Thursday, 18 July, 2002, 01:21 GMT 02:21 UK Bush's niece jailed over drugs Jeb Bush (r) is running for re-election this autumn By Ian Pannell BBC correspondent in Washington The niece of US President George Bush has been jailed in connection with drug offences. Noelle Bush: Did not comply with treatment Noelle Bush, the daughter of Florida Governor Jeb Bush, broke the terms of a court-ordered drug treatment programme. The 24-year-old was arrested in January after fraudulently trying to obtain a prescription drug to treat anxiety. She was arrested outside a pharmacy in Tallahassee. She has been jailed for 72 hours on a charge of contempt of court for failing to comply with her treatment programme. It is not clear how she broke the court order. Jeb Bush, who is running for re-election this autumn, issued a statement saying how sad the family was, but he added that this was something that happens to many people trying to recover from addiction. We know there are thousands of families across Florida who share in this unfortunate experience with their own children, he said. The Florida governor is being challenged by the former attorney general, Janet Reno, in this autumn's elections but it is unlikely this news will dent his campaign. If anything, it may generate popular sympathy for a man sometimes seen as aloof from the real world. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Markets hope the worst is over
-Caveat Lector- oh i do hope not... it is *too* amusing to see the euro valued higher than the dollar..* Thursday, 18 July, 2002, 05:58 GMT 06:58 UK Markets hope the worst is over A morning bounce in Asia has given investors heart Share prices around the world have steadied, amid mounting hopes that two months of sharp declines may be over. Japan's Nikkei share index closed up 2% at 10,498 points, leading Asia higher, after Wall Street stocks closed up on Wednesday. The markets' months of misery New York Dow: Down 17.5% from 17 May peak London FTSE: Down 20.5% from 15 May peak Frankfurt Dax: Down 19.3% from 15 May peak Paris Cac: Down 23.1% from 15 May peak Tokyo Nikkei: Down 13.2% from 20 May peak US shares had surged at one point, but the froth came off by the end of the day - a sign that the mood is still uncertain. Now, all eyes are on the long list of US corporate results due later in the day. US results have been mixed so far, but analysts take comfort from the fact that investors are starting to pay attention to fundamentals, and may be shrugging off the gloomy mood of the past few weeks. Results roster The main dampener on the market is now the fear that Thursday's earnings statements will disappoint investors. Until corporate America cleans up its act or earnings get better, this looks like a technical bounce James Volk, DA Davidson Some of America's biggest hi-tech firms are scheduled to report results, including Microsoft, eBay, Nortel Networks and Sun Microsystems. On Wednesday, investors faced a more mixed bag, including Citigroup, Ford, Boeing, Coca-Cola and IBM. Although the news was far from uniformly positive, results from Ford, Coca-Cola and IBM were all cheering. Companies count Optimists hope that company results could generally send out a positive signal, reminding investors that share prices are based on corporate earnings first and foremost. Could things be starting to look up? While the mood in the market has darkened, economic fundamentals have remained more or less favourable, and companies have tended to report solid trading conditions. The markets' somewhat muted response to Wednesday's results - the Dow Jones index closing just 0.7% higher at 8,534.17 points - was based on the lack of trust in corporate accounts since the Enron collapse, however. Until people get their courage back, until corporate America cleans up its act or earnings get better, this looks like a technical bounce, and technical bounces have not had any legs in the past, said James Volk of DA Davidson. Two months of misery Major stock markets around the world have now lost up to one-quarter of their value since the recent peak in mid-May. Many have plumbed depths well below those hit after 11 September: the FTSE 100 index, for example, has hit lows not seen since the end of 1996. After 11 September, all major markets plunged, but recovered sharply towards the end of the year before treading water in the first quarter of 2001. The recent sharp declines - sparked by the admission that telecom giant Worldcom had exaggerated its profits - have caused consternation among policymakers and consumers alike. Falling share prices generally lead consumers to cut spending, epecially in the US, and could push the global economy back towards the recession it flirted with late last year. How far will they fall? Key stories Shares edge higher FTSE falls below 4,000 Euro breaks $1 barrier Analysis Holes in the ceiling Bottoming out? Why markets fall How it affects you Don't panic 'Safe havens' History of crashes IN DEPTH Corporate scandals TALKING POINT Are you affected? The Markets: 8:18 UK FTSE 1004184.4- 6.2 Dow Jones8542.48+69.4 Nasdaq1397.25+22.0 FTSE delayed by 15 mins, Dow and Nasdaq by 20 mins See also: 18 Jul 02 | Business Relief for battered US markets 16 Jul 02 | Business Shares close lower on Wall Street 16 Jul 02 | Business More gloom from US tech sector 16 Jul 02 | Business US recovery on track, says Greenspan 16 Jul 02 | Business US Senate unveils tough fraud bill 15 Jul 02 | Business WorldCom's woes 'go back to 1999' 15 Jul 02 | Business USA Inc starts to come clean on options Internet links: New York Stock Exchange Nasdaq London Stock Exchange The BBC is not responsible for the content of external internet sites Top Business stories now: Markets hope the worst is over TUC to 'press for employment rights' Regulator orders BT to cut web charges Blair ally faces union defeat Boss quits at AIB scandal unit Prescott to unveil £1bn housing plan Merrill faces fresh lawsuit Little respite for tech investors Links to more Business stories are at the foot of the page. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright
Re: [CTRL] MAJESTYTWELVE (2 of 3)
-Caveat Lector- see... it is all very fascinating... i spent 5 minutes doing this my library just now. excellent- it seems to work with *every single piece of literature and every single movie* in my collection. all i do is just *see* the connections, the euphamisms, the SIGNS... Oh LOrd i can see the signs! and it also helps- as William "stop me if i'm mental" Cooper has found- to just change the details of the stories to fit whatever agenda you are forwarding. as he says himself- "total bullshit". arf. Lucifer Sam - Original Message - From: William Shannon To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 3:38 AM Subject: [CTRL] MAJESTYTWELVE (2 of 3) -Caveat Lector- http://www.williamcooper.com/majestyt.htmThe propaganda attack against the American People continues through movies. In Star Wars Luke Skywalker (Apollo, Horus, Osiris), the SON of a widow (initiate) goes in search of himself (Secret, lost Word, or Great Work). Jedi Knight Darth Vader (Osiris, Sun Father, Apollo, Doctrine, Lucifer, Master of the FORCE [magic] who has gone over to the Darkside (religion, nationalism, superstition) separates the Princess (the title signifies BECOMING) Lea (Isis - Moon - Church) from the Doctrine (illumination).Luke falls in love with Lea and begins a sexless, but spiritual relationship with the Princess. This mystical union produces the child HORUS (falcon headed God) which, in the movie, is personified in the illumination of Luke transforming him into an Adept or Priest (Jedi Knight - Sun Son - Adept - Reincarnated Osiris - Apollo - God - Doctrine). He embarks upon a Quest in the Millenium (saviors always return at the millenium) Falcon (Horus as savior) to rescue Princess Lea which results in a confrontation with Vader who imparts knowledge (Intelligence - Fire) resulting in Luke finding the Holy Grail (Bloodline, Identity, Lost Word, Obelisk, Penis, Creative Force, apotheosis). With this knowledge he succeeds in reuniting (uniting in marriage) the Force (doctrine) with Princess Lea (Church) which reestablishes the Order of Jedi Knights (Congregation - full body of Adepts or Priests - sixth root race - evolved and matured mankind - God Race, Horus) producing chaos, rebellion, and the establishment of the New Dawn on the horizon (Horus Risen), the New Age, the New Atlantis, a New World Order, the socialist utopian world.Same message in the Lion King. But this motion picture goes even further revealing the true malevolence of this deception. The Hyenas portray what the "Order" considers to be the "useless eaters of the world," blacks, Hispanics, and aboriginal peoples. The Lion is the symbol of the Tribe of Judah, the so-called Israel, Christian Identity, British Israel, International Zionism, the Anglo/Aryan race. Don't even think you understand any of this as "important". It is only the manipulation through which the Illuminati plans to wrest complete control of the world... in other words total bullshit. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
-Caveat Lector- dollars because it was once the world currency. especially in messed up ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's currency is devalued. the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens everywhere. what- you reckon it would tell us anything about the source? hardly. - Original Message - From: Mermaid To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam -Caveat Lector- Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv this morning. They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member of their family become a suicide bomber!!! The PLO are saying they are giving the money via saddam hussein but why then is it in dollars??? The Mermaid x A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam
-Caveat Lector- bite me. - Original Message - From: Mermaid To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:33 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam -Caveat Lector- You really are a rude person Im surprised you are allowed on this list. The Mermaid England - Original Message - From: c. To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:15 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam -Caveat Lector- dollars because it was once the world currency. especially in messed up ecnomies where inflation is rampant and the country's currency is devalued. the dollar was seen as a constant value. it happens everywhere. what- you reckon it would tell us anything about the source? hardly. - Original Message - From: Mermaid To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 18, 2002 10:23 AM Subject: [CTRL] Sky/and Saddam -Caveat Lector- Sky TV had a real scoop on British breakfast time tv this morning. They have video evidence that Saddam Hussien is paying 10.000 dollars to every family who has had a member of their family become a suicide bomber!!! The PLO are saying they are giving the money via saddam hussein but why then is it in dollars??? The Mermaid xA HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. ==
[CTRL] Switch on for state snooping
-Caveat Lector- Wednesday, 17 July, 2002, 09:15 GMT 10:15 UK Switch on for state snooping Police forces want to plug in to lots of networks From August net service providers in The UK will be legally obliged to carry out automatic surveillance of their customers' web habits. Controversial laws passed in 2000 oblige large communications companies to install technology that allows one in 10,000 of their customers to be watched. The information gathered about the websites that people visit, who they exchange e-mail with and who they call on the phone will be passed to the police or a government monitoring station. The demands have been criticised by experts who say the law conflicts with basic guarantees of privacy and that the government is not doing enough to help pay for the installation of the surveillance systems. Data hoover The controversial Regulation of Investigatory Powers Act was passed in October 2000 and gave law enforcement agencies sweeping powers to snoop on the electronic lives of citizens. It's the internet equivalent of a telephone tap Roland Perry, Linx The Act demands that organisations it dubs Communication Service Providers (CPS) - broadly anyone that helps people keep in touch via the web, fax machine or phone - install technology that can automatically monitor what many of their customers are doing. It also demands that service providers start monitoring a customer within 24 hours of being told that the police or other investigation agencies want to snoop on them. The information collected must also be passed on electronically to the agency which asked for the snooping to start. A spokeswoman for the Home Office said 1 August was the day on which the new surveillance regime would start, even though the snooping systems are yet to be installed. It will just mean that police can go to CSPs and say we want information on this person, she said. Data delivery Roland Perry, public policy director for the London Internet Exchange which interconnects the networks of net service companies, said the government was still working out how best to put the surveillance systems in place. It's a very long-term project, he said. The whole thing will be done on a one-to-one basis with the individual companies concerned. Agencies have to make a judgement whether it's worth making a request if costs a few hundred pounds to do it Ian Brown, Foundation for Information Policy Research The government is also currently working out what types of information it wants from CSPs and how it will be delivered. In theory, an interception capability would deliver all the data, said Mr Perry. It's the internet equivalent of a telephone tap. The government is hoping that its work on automatic surveillance will become a European standard and be widely adopted. Costly communication Service providers have asked for help to buy the equipment needed to set up the permanent interception capability. Up to 1 in 10,000 could be monitored The Home Office has said it would contribute £20m to this but the net industry has said it will cost a lot more than that, said Ian Brown, director of the Foundation for Information Policy Research. The Internet Service Providers Association has warned about the potentially huge costs of installing surveillance equipment to meet the demands of the RIP Act and the recently passed Anti-Terrorism, Crime and Security Act. A spokesman for the organisation said it was still seeking clarification over the types of data its members were supposed to be catching, how long it had to be stored for and who would pay for the storage. Mr Brown said one of the few safeguards on the snooping system was the fact that the agencies asking for the surveillance to be carried out will be charged to use it. This means agencies have to make a judgement whether it's worth making a request if costs a few hundred pounds to do it, said Mr Brown. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to
Re: [CTRL] Bush Aims To Recruit 1 in 24 Americans As Citizen Spies/Informants
-Caveat Lector- land of the free? your welcome to it at least over here we don't have a bill of rights to make a mockery of. - Original Message - From: Steve Wingate [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:18 AM Subject: [CTRL] Bush Aims To Recruit 1 in 24 Americans As Citizen Spies/Informants -Caveat Lector- Bush Aims To Recruit 1 in 24 Americans As Citizen Spies/Informants By Ritt Goldstein A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a mul ti-generational cult
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:18 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a mul ti-generational cult However, I wonder when the mass of researchers will be ready to move on to other questions, such as why this scenario, which worked in Nazi Germany, also seems to work so well in the richest, most tolerant i would question that statement. most tolerant? i don't think so. i think some of the most extreme intolerance has come from within the usa in the last coupla centuries. and most diverse political system currently existent on earth. the political system in america is not at all diverse. not in it's workings- or in the people working with in it. it is actually probably one of the worst examples of old boys clubs on earth. entrenched in corruption and probably has the most bought politicians in the world today. My answer is this: it is because 95% of U.S. citizens are too lazy to do any of their own thinking or make decisions about their own lives. They much prefer to have some other authority do their thinking for them, and this results in the easiest brainwashing ever implemented. In a way this is due to the innate goodness where are you getting this from? a country where communist witch hunts could happen only 50 years ago does not suggest innate goodness in the population. it didn't happen elsewhere in the free world at that time in the same way or with the same vicious shop your neighbour attitude. in a society where there is still more relative freedom than in most other countries. i can think of several western european countries with a much better record of human rights than the usa. a country that can come up with drug forferture laws and the long term incarceration of pot smokers does not indicate a country with more relative freedom than most other countries Most Americans want to do the right thing; the problem is they won't decide for themselves what the right thing is. It's easier to just go along with what they are told. the witch hunts of communists could not have worked without the complicity and hard work od ordinary citizens. the treatment of blacks is another indicator of how the freedoms of america have been overplayed. your country had to be dragged into the latter half of the 20th century on that particular matter. second only to south africa in it's attitude to freedom and tolerance. And until that changes any manipulation such as 9-11 will work to near-perfection. I wish I knew how to convince people to question what they are told and look for their own answers. But the vast majority are much more concerned with filling their belly and watching mindless unreality on their movie and TV screens. but there does seem to be a lot of americans who actually are proactive in a lot of negative, agressive activities that are not found in the same scale or with the same degree of hate as in america. anti-aborionist assassins for instance. a lot of people highly motivated to stop other poeple, with force, doing what they feel is right to themselves. This is not to judge those people; until they are prodded into changing they will not know better. It is probable that only the destruction of the current economic order will provoke such a change. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 1:13 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a multi-generational cult George W Bush is a multi-generational member of a cult based upon death. Skull Bones along with others financed Hitler, they financed the birth of the Soviet Union, they set-up our national securty state and have used it towards the own ends, the New World Order. 9/11 is not a terrorist attack against the citizens or government of the United States by a group of Muslim fundamentalists. 9/11 is a magical act, with very real tragedy, designed to move the US into the 'statist' New World Order. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html
[CTRL] US politicians attack HIV Muppet
-Caveat Lector- Monday, 15 July, 2002, 09:58 GMT 10:58 UK US politicians attack HIV Muppet Nine countries currently show Sesame Street Plans to create a Muppet character with HIV in the South Africa edition of children's programme Sesame Street would not be welcome in the United States, Republican party politicians have said. Five congressmen have written to the Public Broadcasting Service (PBS), which broadcasts the series, to say they do not believe the character would be appropriate given the average age of its viewers. PBS is a mainstay that millions of parents have come to rely upon over the past 35 years Letter sent to PBS The letter, quoted in the trade newspaper Daily Variety, said it was important to teach children in an age-appropriate manner about compassion for those who contract certain diseases. But it added: We would like to inquire as to whether there is other PBS programming, aimed at an older age group, which may be more suitable for such sensitive messages. Exported The letter was sent by WJ Tauzin, a Louisiana Republican, as well as by Joe Barton of Texas, Richard Burr of North Carolina, Charles Pickering of Mississippi, Cliff Stearns of Florida and Fred Upton of Michigan, the paper said. The makers of the programme have said the character could be exported to the eight other countries which screen Sesame Street, including the US. The cheerful female character, who as yet has no name or form, will join the Takalani Sesame show, as it is called in South Africa, on 30 September. The character is designed to be a good role model for pre-school children, in a country where one in nine people are infected with HIV. In some parts of South Africa, 40% of women of child-bearing age are HIV-positive. We look forward to working with you to ensure that only age and culturally appropriate programmes air on PBS, which is a mainstay that millions of parents have come to rely upon over the past 35 years, the letter addressed to PBS president Pat Mitchell added. The congressman have also asked PBS how much money is dedicated to Sesame Street, how much the new character will cost to introduce and whether or not it will feature in US editions of the series. Sesame Street was started in November 1969 with the aim of teaching children numbers and words using cartoons and puppets. It has become one of the most popular and critically-acclaimed children's TV programmes and a model for similar shows around the world. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Euro breaks $1 barrier
-Caveat Lector- Euro breaks $1 barrier The euro and the dollar have reached parity for the first time since February 2000. The dollar has been falling as investors shy away from US shares and investments because of fears over corporate credibility. And the euro has been gaining strength since the launch of notes and coins at the start of the year. A year ago the dollar was viewed as a quality investment haven in times of global economic uncertainty. It even fared well during times of US economic uncertainty. But a wave of accounting scandals that have engulfed firms including energy giant Enron and the telecoms firm WorldCom have caused investors to put their money elsewhere. Pros and cons The dollar's weakness will increase the competitivity of US manufacturing exporters. But it means more expensive holidays for Americans travelling in Europe. The euro hit its all-time high shortly after its launch at the start of 1999. But it began to slide there after, falling to a record low of 82.3 US cents in October 2000. Its newfound strength is thought to be more a function of fears over the dollar, rather than an endorsement of the single currency. The euro had been trading at 99.3 cents during the morning, before rising to 1.0026 shortly after midday. UK indecision In the UK, campaigners think the rapidly changing exchange rates confuses the UK's dilemma of whether to adopt the single currency. Rapid moves in the euro exchange rate are going to make it difficult for the government to claim the five tests are clearly and unambiguously met, said George Eustice, campaign director of the No campaign. But pro-euro campaigners have taken the opposite stance. The instability of all currencies in the modern world is why most countries are choosing to operate as part of, or linked to, larger currency zones, said Matthew Taylor, Liberal Democrat treasury spokesman. Testing time The stockmarkets are also braced for another week of volatile trading. Investor trust in corporate America faces a key test, as Wall Street firms begin to deliver their latest trading updates. Last week, leading US stock market indexes lost 7% of their value, one of their biggest ever weekly losses. Shareholders continue to fear that more firms will be forced to admit that their reported profits have obscured the true state of affairs. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a mul ti-generational cult
-Caveat Lector- ok, i was not meaning to generalise. my point is that it is no surprise that a reichstag scenario is unwinding in america. the segregation of white and black people- and the communist with hunts were not possible without the majority of regular poeple participating actively. these two events did not happen in other western countries in the same way and to the same scale (relatively or not) as it did in the USA. so i was really questioning your statemt about america being more free and more tolerant than other countries. i think it is an innacurate and arrogant statement to make. i do appreciate the minority of americans that have done so much for human rights and progressive thinking. - Original Message - From: Dale Stonehouse [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 2:51 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a mul ti-generational cult -Caveat Lector- All of your points are valid - when applied to the very small percentage of my fellow citizens who have done these things. My message and questions apply to the vast majority of Americans, the ones I see and deal with every day - not the 1-3 % you have observed in your media coverage. Just how many of us do you think were involved in communist witch hunts or would support them? If you apply what you know about the U.S. to all of us rather than a very small group then you are as much a sheep as we are. It's like saying the Afghani people should be bombed because a terrorist leader happens to be hiding out there. Labeling does the trick every time. -Original Message- From: c. [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] Sent: Monday, July 15, 2002 8:42 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [CTRL] George W Bush is a joke, a fraud and a member of a mul ti-generational cult i would question that statement. most tolerant? i don't think so. i think some of the most extreme intolerance has come from within the usa in the last coupla centuries. and most diverse political system currently existent on earth. the political system in america is not at all diverse. not in it's workings- or in the people working with in it. it is actually probably one of the worst examples of old boys clubs on earth. entrenched in corruption and probably has the most bought politicians in the world today. My answer is this: it is because 95% of U.S. citizens are too lazy to do any of their own thinking or make decisions about their own lives. They much prefer to have some other authority do their thinking for them, and this results in the easiest brainwashing ever implemented. In a way this is due to the innate goodness where are you getting this from? a country where communist witch hunts could happen only 50 years ago does not suggest innate goodness in the population. it didn't happen elsewhere in the free world at that time in the same way or with the same vicious shop your neighbour attitude. in a society where there is still more relative freedom than in most other countries. i can think of several western european countries with a much better record of human rights than the usa. a country that can come up with drug forferture laws and the long term incarceration of pot smokers does not indicate a country with more relative freedom than most other countries Most Americans want to do the right thing; the problem is they won't decide for themselves what the right thing is. It's easier to just go along with what they are told. the witch hunts of communists could not have worked without the complicity and hard work od ordinary citizens. the treatment of blacks is another indicator of how the freedoms of america have been overplayed. your country had to be dragged into the latter half of the 20th century on that particular matter. second only to south africa in it's attitude to freedom and tolerance. And until that changes any manipulation such as 9-11 will work to near-perfection. I wish I knew how to convince people to question what they are told and look for their own answers. But the vast majority are much more concerned with filling their belly and watching mindless unreality on their movie and TV screens. but there does seem to be a lot of americans who actually are proactive in a lot of negative, agressive activities that are not found in the same scale or with the same degree of hate as in america. anti-aborionist assassins for instance. a lot of people highly motivated to stop other poeple, with force, doing what they feel is right to themselves. This is not to judge those people; until they are prodded into changing they will not know better. It is probable that only the destruction of the current economic order will provoke such a change
[CTRL] That's pretty rich, Bush
-Caveat Lector- That's pretty rich, Bush The President started the week trying to save corporate America. He ended it trying to save himself Oliver Morgan Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer 'My friends are crooks. The companies they run look corrupt. The regulators I appoint are too soft. My colleagues in government face lawsuits for fraud. But I'm going to solve corporate crime with some ass-kicking laws. Hey, and trust me, I'm the President.' After a week in which markets globally were badly wounded by the Dow - which fell 700 points, dragging the FTSE down by nearly 400 - it is clear that not only Americans but people around the world are in no mood to take George W Bush and his promised crusade against corporate corruption on trust. In fact, the attempt to appear tough on WorldCom, Enron, Andersen and the rest ahead of mid-term elections in November turned out disastrously. Day 1: Bush held a rare press conference to gain the initiative ahead of his key Wall Street speech. Instead, he was rocked onto the defensive over allegations concerning his own financial dealings in the oil company Harken Energy. Day 2: In Tuesday's speech, Bush said 'too many corporations seem disconnected from the values of our country'. He listed measures, including a task force that would be a 'financial crimes Swat team', anti-shredding laws, a $100m boost for the Securities and Exchange Commission, the forfeiture of pay gained by deception, greater accountability for CEOs, and an increase in prison terms for fraud to ensure 'those who breach the trust of the American people are punished'. It read like a plea for credibility. It was snubbed. Democrats, led by the presidential hopeful Tom Daschle, ridiculed both the rhetoric and substance, highlighting Bush's refusal to endorse a tough package of laws being proposed by a Democrat, Senator Paul Sarbanes. Bush was the 'unconnected' one. As the Dow slid, a Democrat aide said: 'The markets clearly don't think he has gone far enough, and neither do we.' Then it got worse. Day 3: Vice-President Dick Cheney was named in a civil action against construction group Halliburton and its accountants Andersen. The details of the contested action, in which Halliburton directors are accused of colluding to inflate the company's earnings, read disturbingly like the Enron case and follow the opening of a separate SEC investigation in March. Day 4: It emerges that Bush received a low-interest loan from Harken - something that WorldCom chief executive Bernie Ebbers (currently under investigation) did, and which Bush said should be banned. Throughout all of this some critics made a direct link to Bush and his well- known connections with rich business men, particularly fellow Texans. Chuck Lewis of the Centre for Public Integrity, which investigates links between politics and business, says: 'The reason that he does not have credibility in trying to deal with big business is that in the public mind he is seen as in their pockets.' New York Representative John LaFalce, senior Democrat on the House of Representatives financial services committee, says: 'He denied debate for the past year and a half - especially since Enron - as the problems were beginning to surface, and did so very little. Then because of WorldCom and because of growing sentiment against corporate America and Wall Street, he felt compelled to do something. But neither his words nor his demeanour on Tuesday had any credibility.' Republicans retort that Bush's speech was tough. Several of Bush's proposals - forfeiting pay, preventing executives trading shares during closed periods, preventing analysts misleading markets - sound similar to the Sarbanes programme. But this, says LaFalce, is misleading. For example, the $100m SEC budget increase is dwarfed by more than $700m proposed by Democrats. The shredding proposals are a 'smokescreen' to keep attention on Andersen, not Bush's Texas friends at Enron. Instead of a catchy 'Swat team', Sarbanes proposes a prosaic but independent Public Company Accounting Oversight Board. This will have the power to inspect big accounting firms every year and investigate complaints about firms. Companies should not be able to offer consulting to firms they audit. He demands compulsory rotation of firms. The controversy is set to rumble on, to the delight of Democrats. Sarbanes's Bill is expected to clear the Senate next week, but it must then be combined with weaker measures proposed in the 'Oxley' Bill from the Republican-held House. LaFalce indicates Bush's support for Oxley will be used to beat him. 'He praised the House-passed Bill, which gave away everything. That revealed his true colours.' As a member of Sarbanes's staff said: 'My boss is not going to compromise on this. And he has support - many in the House have come to us after WorldCom, saying they now think we need tougher laws.' Whatever happens, Bush will be portrayed as wobbly on this issue - one where Democrats feel they can dent
[CTRL] War clouds gather as hawks lay their plans
-Caveat Lector- World leaders appear to be in deadly earnest over warnings that Saddam must be deposed by force. But some in the US are asking why a blueprint for the conflict was leaked at the moment when sleaze scandals hit a new peak. Report by Jason Burke in London and Ed Vulliamy in New York Jason Burke in London and Ed Vulliamy in New York Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer In London a Jordanian prince attends a meeting of Iraqi army defectors who are discussing what to do with their country once Saddam is dead and gone. In northern Iraq American intelligence operatives gather information on minefields and Iraqi troop dispositions. In Baghdad Saddam Hussein's eldest son Uday warns of a meltdown in the Middle East when war comes. And officials reveal that Paul Wolfowitz, the Pentagon's second most senior figure, will visit Turkey next week to talk tactics and that Tony Blair has been invited to travel to Camp David later this year to meet President George Bush and discuss plans for war. The signs appear unambiguous. This weekend the message is clear. Get ready for war. Or is it? Last week's frenzied speculation about imminent conflict has raised as many questions as it has provided answers. Why were officials at the Pentagon, the State Department or London's Ministry of Defence leaking so liberally? Was it a smoke screen for some secret hitherto undisclosed strategy? Was the war fever engineered to destabilise Saddam Hussein? Or were Donald Rumsfeld, Dick Cheney and Co merely distracting attention from domestic difficulties? The first leaks came 10 days ago when a five-inch thick dossier detailing plans for an invasion of Iraq involving 250,000 men was handed to the New York Times. The story went swiftly around the world. Last Sunday The Observer published the results of our own investigation: into the growing indications that the Americans hoped to use Jordan as a jumping-off point for at least some units in the assault. For the rest of the week a series of stories indicating that a war with Iraq in the new year was certain shared the headlines with the appalling news from the world's stock markets. To some it was proof of cynical manipulation. In recent weeks there has been a plunge in public confidence in the ability of the President and his party to manage the economy and the administration's own personal honesty. 'It's certainly strange that the more the finance scandals approach the White House, the harder and sharper the plans for an attack on Iraq,' said one staffer in the office of Democrat congressman Henry Waxman of California last week. Critics of Bush point out that the battle plan was leaked just as the sleaze scandals reached a climax and began to implicate the President himself. But The Observer has been told that the leak did not come from the White House. Instead it came from within the Pentagon, from the office of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, the top professional soldiers and planners who drew it up in the first place. That opens up another possible angle entirely. It may well be that the leak was from soldiers opposed to a war the President and their civilian political masters, led by Defence Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, want them to fight. This is an exact echo of the Pentagon view under President George Bush Snr 11 years ago, when Colin Powell - then chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff - opposed the Gulf war, but was bullied into fighting it by Bush and his then Defence Secretary, Dick Cheney. Powell and Cheney have despised each other ever since. Powell is known to be opposed to another war against Iraq. According to senior officials serving under Powell at the State Department, as well as others in the Pentagon, the leaks are part of a sophisticated campaign to raise the stakes before a war could be declared with their approval. Thus another mid-week leak suggesting there was no casus belli that would allow America to commence hostilities. Saddam would have - for instance, say officials - to invade a neighbour, re-commence the genocide against Shia Muslims or Kurdish minorities or field a nuclear weapon. 'There has to be a defining moment,' said one State Department official, '...which is a recognised international offence in order to justify an attack under the [United Nations] charter.' To those who oppose the war the leaks serve a useful secondary purpose. As the reports of American intentions were read in Baghdad there were signs that, despite Uday and his father's rhetoric, unease was growing among the Iraqi elite. The Iraqi Foreign Ministry was swift to point out that it had not been to blame for the collapse nine days ago of the talks with the UN over the readmission of inspectors searching for the nuclear, biological and chemical weaponry Saddam is suspected of holding - or trying to build. The Iraqis said they were willing to talk again and offered to provide the Americans with information about airmen shot down during the Gulf war. Washington dismissed the offer
[CTRL] The great charade
-Caveat Lector- The great charade As the West prepares for an assault on Iraq, John Pilger argues that 'war on terror' is a smokescreen created by the ultimate terrorist ... America itself War on Iraq? Discuss it here Sunday July 14, 2002 The Observer It is 10 months since 11 September, and still the great charade plays on. Having appropriated our shocked response to that momentous day, the rulers of the world have since ground our language into a paean of cliches and lies about the 'war on terrorism' - when the most enduring menace, and source of terror, is them. The fanatics who attacked America came from Saudi Arabia and Egypt. No bombs fell on these American protectorates. Instead, more than 5,000 civilians have been bombed to death in stricken Afghanistan, the latest a wedding party of 40 people, mostly women and children. Not a single al-Qaeda leader of importance has been caught. Following this 'stunning victory', hundreds of prisoners were shipped to an American concentration camp in Cuba, where they have been held against all the conventions of war and international law. No evidence of their alleged crimes has been produced, and the FBI confirms only one is a genuine suspect. In the United States, more than 1,000 people of Muslim background have 'disappeared'; none has been charged. Under the draconian Patriot Act, the FBI's new powers include the authority to go into libraries and ask who is reading what. Meanwhile, the Blair government has made fools of the British Army by insisting they pursue warring tribesmen: exactly what squaddies in putties and pith helmets did over a century ago when Lord Curzon, Viceroy of India, described Afghanistan as one of the 'pieces on a chessboard upon which is being played out a great game for the domination of the world'. There is no war on terrorism; it is the great game speeded up. The difference is the rampant nature of the superpower, ensuring infinite dangers for us all. Having swept the Palestinians into the arms of the supreme terrorist Ariel Sharon, the Christian Right fundamentalists running the plutocracy in Washington, now replenish their arsenal in preparation for an attack on the 22 million suffering people of Iraq. Should anyone need reminding, Iraq is a nation held hostage to an American-led embargo every bit as barbaric as the dictatorship over which Iraqis have no control. Contrary to propaganda orchestrated from Washington and London, the coming attack has nothing to do with Saddam Hussein's 'weapons of mass destruction', if these exist at all. The reason is that America wants a more compliant thug to run the world's second greatest source of oil. The drum-beaters rarely mention this truth, and the people of Iraq. Everyone is Saddam Hussein, the demon of demons. Four years ago, the Pentagon warned President Clinton that an all-out attack on Iraq might kill 'at least' 10,000 civilians: that, too, is unmentionable. In a sustained propaganda campaign to justify this outrage, journalists on both sides of the Atlantic have been used as channels, 'conduits', for a stream of rumours and lies. These have ranged from false claims about an Iraqi connection with the anthrax attacks in America to a discredited link between the leader of the 11 September hijacks and Iraqi intelligence. When the attack comes, these consorting journalists will share responsibility for the crime. It was Tony Blair who served notice that imperialism's return journey to respectability was under way. Hark, the Christian gentleman-bomber's vision of a better world for 'the starving, the wretched, the dispossessed, the ignorant, those living in want and squalor from the deserts of northern Africa to the slums of Gaza to the mountain ranges of Afghanistan.' Hark, his 'abiding' concern for the 'human rights of the suffering women of Afghanistan' as he colluded with Bush who, as the New York Times reported, 'demanded the elimination of truck convoys that provide much of the food and other supplies to Afghanistan's civilian population'. Hark his compassion for the 'dispossessed' in the 'slums of Gaza', where Israeli gunships, manufactured with vital British parts, fire their missiles into crowded civilian areas. As Frank Furedi reminds us in The New Ideology of Imperialism , it is not long ago 'that the moral claims of imperialism were seldom questioned in the West. Imperialism and the global expansion of the western powers were represented in unambiguously positive terms as a major contributor to human civilisation.' The quest went wrong when it was clear that fascism was imperialism, too, and the word vanished from academic discourse. In the best Stalinist tradition, imperialism no longer existed. Today, the preferred euphemism is 'civilisation'; or if an adjective is required, 'cultural'. From Italy's Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi, an ally of crypto-fascists, to impeccably liberal commentators, the new imperialists share a concept whose true meaning relies on a xenophobic
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- you surpass my own ignorance with the comment below. are you so stupid as to think that PC requires you to tolerate murder, thieves and rapists? are you so dim?i mean... you wrote it, so i guess you stand by it... ergo, you *are* dim. and it is funny- i said it clearly in the posting you called ignorant- the only philosophy needed is not to mess with other people and not to take any shit from people that try mess with you. i thnk you must agree with that? - Original Message - From: InfoWarz [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, July 14, 2002 1:13 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN Will you tolerate a murderer? A thief in your home? A queer molesting your child? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Dispute over war crimes court settled
-Caveat Lector- on one hand- what an arrogant bastard america is (again). on the other at least it might keep american soldiers where they belong- america. Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 03:20 GMT 04:20 UK Dispute over war crimes court settled The US was concerned its soldiers may be prosecuted The United Nations Security Council has voted unanimously to exempt US peacekeepers from prosecution by the new war crimes court for a year - ending a bitter row that threatened peacekeeping operations. The Bush adminstration, which considers the court an affront to US sovereignty, had said it would veto such missions wherever it believed American troops might be prosecuted. We will never permit Americans to be jailed John Negroponte US ambassador But after weeks of wrangling and amid howls of protests against the US stance, Washington backed away from seeking permanent immunity for its troops, so enabling the UN to adopt the compromise resolution. The council then renewed immediately renewed the UN's peacekeeping mandate in Bosnia, which Washington had threatened to block. Assurance But while the future of UN peacekeeping and the newly established International Criminal Court (ICC) appear to have been saved, neither the UN nor the court have emerged unscathed from what has been a marathon diplomatic battle, says the BBC's Greg Barrow in New York. Days of intense negotiation ended in compromise The resolution calls for a 12-month exemption in investigating or prosecuting peacekeepers who are from countries that do not support the ICC. The Security Council will have to renew this immunity on an annual basis which gives Council members an option to take away this added protection. For Washington, it falls short of the blanket immunity that it had first sought against what it fears could be frivolous or politically motivated prosecutions of US troops. But the deal does offer a practical way out of a damaging dispute with most other UN member states. 'Sad day' The US ambassador to the UN, John Negroponte, said the resolution offered a degree of protection but warned that the US Government would never permit the detention of any American by the court. We cannot accept a structure that may transform the political criticism of America's world role into the basis for criminal trials of Americans who have put their lives on the line for freedom, he said. But some of the strongest supporters of the ICC court say that while the new resolution will have little practical effect on the court's work, it has set the bad precedent of Security Council interference in an internationally agreed treaty. We think this is a sad day for the United Nations, said Canada's ambassador Paul Heinbecker. We don't think it's in the mandate of the Security Council to intepret treaties that are negotiated somewhere else. The ICC is the first permanent court to try war crimes, crimes against humanity and genocide. It is expected to start work in The Hague in about a year. In terms of UN business, the settlement of the dispute allowed Council members to extend the mandate of a UN police training mission in Bosnia, and also a smaller mission in the Croatian enclave of Prevlaka. They were in danger of being terminated on Monday by a US veto if the court dispute was not settled. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Plan to attack Iraq 'immoral'
-Caveat Lector- Plan to attack Iraq 'immoral' The cleric widely tipped to become the next Archbishop of Canterbury has called any attack on Iraq immoral. Dr Rowan Williams, Archbishop of Wales, has signed a declaration criticising the West's war on terror and said an assault on Iraq would be illegal. The declaration was published in the Roman Catholic weekly paper, The Tablet. Eradicating the dangers posed by malevolent dictators and terrorists can be achieved only by tackling the root causes of the disputes Pax Christi In it, Dr Williams and other signatories, including a Church of England and Catholic bishop, say attacking Iraq would be tantamount to fighting terror with terror. It's deplorable that the world's most powerful nations continue to regard war, and the threat of war, as an acceptable instrument of foreign policy, they write. They add that such thinking is in violation of both the United Nations and Christian moral teaching. They raise their concerns amid increasing indications from the US that such an invasion is being considered. Top job Dr Williams has been reported as being first choice to replace Dr George Carey in the Church of England's top job. He is believed to be favoured by Prime Minister Tony Blair, with whom the final decision rests. In January, the outspoken cleric described the Afghanistan conflict as morally tainted and embarrassing. He is a member of the Christian pressure group Pax Christi, which was behind the anti-war declaration. The document will be presented to Downing Street next month. Weapons inspections Other signatories include the Church of England Bishop of Chelmsford, Reverend John Perry, and the Catholic Bishop of Brentford, Reverend Thomas McMahon. They want Iraq to allow UN weapons inspectors to check if it had weapons of mass destruction. They also want Britain and the US to do the same. The signatories add: It is our considered view that an attack on Iraq would be both immoral and illegal and that eradicating the dangers posed by malevolent dictators and terrorists can be achieved only by tackling the root causes of the disputes. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Jury trials face major overhaul
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 07:48 GMT 08:48 UK Jury trials face major overhaul The right of thousands of defendants to trial by jury could be scrapped in a radical overhaul of the criminal justice system, a leaked document has revealed. It contains proposals to reduce the number of trials heard by a jury, and to scrap the rule whereby suspects cannot be tried twice for the same serious offence. Judges would be allowed to sit alone to hear particularly complex cases or ones which could expose jurors to intimidation. Overhaul proposals Trial without jury in fraud cases More representative juries Sentencing powers beefed up 'Double jeopardy' rules amended The government believes the criminal justice system currently favours defendants and the proposals are intended to increase the conviction rate. Labour peer and lawyer Baroness Helena Kennedy regards the proposed changes as a wholesale assault on civil liberties and a knee-jerk reaction. She believes they could actually lead to miscarriages of justice and an erosion of the system. On Friday official figures revealed a 7% increase in crimes and it was announced that jails are so overcrowded that some prisoners are being held in police cells. The White Paper also proposes changes to the double jeopardy rule - under which defendants cannot be tried twice for the same crime. It suggests it should not apply in cases of a grave offence punishable by imprisonment, or cases with compelling new evidence where a retrial is in the interests of justice. There would also be a clampdown on middle class professionals who try to avoid jury service because of their work commitments. And juries would be made more representative of their communities by increasing the catchment area. Magistrates look set to get more powers In an attempt to cut the costs run-up by Crown Court trials magistrates would have their sentencing powers doubled to 12 months. Reports suggest there could also be new police powers to impose bail conditions, including electronic tagging of some suspects who have not been charged. According to The Independent, the government also plans to take action against lawyers who use delaying tactics to win cases. A draft version of the document seen by the paper said: There are too many cases where tactical manoeuvres designed to secure acquittals by disrupting the process mean the right verdict is not reached, and that is simply not good enough. Caution urged It went on: We will not tolerate abuse and obstruction of the system and we will not allow the process to be treated as a game of snakes and ladders by the defence as a tactic to get the defendant off. Baroness Kennedy believes the legal system is in need of reform, and she told BBC Radio 4's Today programme that there were many different ways in which you can do that. She added that abuses, if they happen on any sort of significant scale, should be dealt with - but this is not the way to do it. Sir David Ramsbotham, former chief inspector of prisons, has warned there would be a significant problem if the proposals for change led to further expansion of the prison population. He said: That is a terrible problem. I understand that already the Prison Service have had to ask the police to hold them (prisoners), which they haven't done for a number of years. He added that work and education programmes to help prisoners lead law-abiding lives cannot be conducted in police cells. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Alert as hackers meet
-Caveat Lector- Saturday, 13 July, 2002, 01:55 GMT 02:55 UK Alert as hackers meet Beware giving away sensitive information As computer hackers attend a convention in New York, major organisations are fearing that attempts might be made to disrupt their computers in a show of hacking strength. The telephone phone company ATT has written to all its employees warning them to be on their guard. Spoof stories were put on the paper's site In the latest high-profile hacking in the US, a newspaper had its website altered to include fake news items. The hackers conference is an annual event and usually includes an attack on a high-profile computer system. AT T believes this year it may be targeted to demonstrate how company employees can be tricked into revealing sensitive information that can help hackers gain access to computer systems. Remember, you do not want to be the lucky guest of honour on a telephone call from the hacker conference this weekend with thousands of hackers listening to you and attempting to scam ATT out of proprietary information, the company warned in an email to staff. Please be on guard. Pranks ATT's warning comes as a criminal investigation has started into the successful penetration of the computers at the newspaper USA Today. Its website, which has nine million viewers a month, was redesigned to include a number of spoof news stories, including an Iraqi missile attack on Israel and the Vatican proclaiming that the Bible was a hoax. But readers could easily determine that the stories were not legitimate because they were poorly written, USA Today spokesman Steven Anderson said. it was very prankish, very immature, he said. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 12:45 PM Subject: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN -Caveat Lector- What really galls me about this whole thing is that the school spent a whole week on this PC cr*p when they could have much better spent the time on things like reading, writing, match, science, geography -- you know, those hopelessly outdated ACADEMIC subjects. The kids got the shaft. don't you think that if all views are allowed to be aired, including the anti-gay stuff, that it is a good thing to have an event like that happening? i was reading the artcile and deciding that the real sickening politically correct issue is the barring of the girl speaking- which *is* immoral. but your comment above seems to indicate that the whole week was pc run amok. is that right? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 13, 2002 6:54 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] PC run amok AGAIN the real sickening politically correct issue is the barring of the girl speaking- which *is* immoral. but your comment above seems to indicate that the whole week was pc run amok. is that right? Yep. ok, well if that is the case why do you say this below? as it seems to be what i suggest- that the point is that her voice was not heard... NOT that the week per se was pc run amok. The oversensitivity to, and preoccupation with, feelings are part of the PC problem, since both stifle debate. The fact that her voice was silenced is the issue. There are ways to criticize without hurting feelings - if manners were still in vogue, it would be second nature. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Smoke em if you got em
-Caveat Lector- Smoke em if you got em - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, July 12, 2002 5:17 AM Subject: [CTRL] Smoke em if you got em Kate Hoey, a Labor member of Parliament who represents one of the affected London areas, said the government could live to regret today's decision because of the increasing strength of marijuana being peddled on the street. It is a very strong type of cannabis, it's genetically modified, it is not perhaps like people tried 20 years ago, she said, and we have no idea of the long-term effects of constant hard smoking that some kids are doing now. silly bint... it is so funny that some people who smoked when they were young 20 years ago insist that what they were doing was somehow different, innocent... she says GM but she is somewhat confused. now and again the tabloids expose the horrific new strains of SuperSkunk that is ravaging our kids etc how it is so much stronger and not like what they were smoking in the sixties when Pot was ok. and they expect to be taken seriously... funny. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Yahoo! News Story - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicide
-Caveat Lector- Yahoo! News - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicidehe wasn't a napster dude. he was a Gnutella dude. napster sold out anyway to bertlesman (sp.?) and has appointed the original creator as ceo. or something. so the corporates achieved what they wanted without murder. i am pretty sure the commercial napster enterprise has filed bancruptsy now too. and killing a developer of Gnutella is not really worth thinking about. Gnustella was/ is sweet because it is open source and killing him, now that it is alredy created, would be like murdering the chap who developed the original Linux. pointless as it has already been made and spread open sourced throughout the world. the software corp's style is to employ these maverick programmers. this gnutella dude was working for Sun. - Original Message - From: Yahoo! News To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: [ctrl] Yahoo! News Story - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicide Tenorlove ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has sent you a news article Personal message: Napster has been having a battle with the corporate predators, and suddenly one of the developers commits suicide?? Does anyone else know more about this? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ...it's going to explode...
-Caveat Lector- "The word is, it's going to explode again," he says. "All we need is a dumb cop to come out here and do a stupid thing like shoot one of us or beat one of us and then it's on. The cop will be the valve that lets it go." Ted Hayes onLA, Tuesday, 30 April, 2002. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_1959000/1959180.stm http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_2119000/2119268.stm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] ...over and above the just sort of normal by-the-book auditing arrangement.
-Caveat Lector- "I get good advice, if you will, from their people based upon how we're doing business and how we're operating over and above the just sort of normal by-the-book auditing arrangement." Dick Cheney on Andersen, 1996 arf. http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/world/americas/newsid_2119000/2119981.stm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Yahoo! News Story - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicide
-Caveat Lector- like i said, in the realms of the sciences, the powers that be, whoever they are, prefer to embrace the talent rahter than kill it.. even if the talent will not come onside, there is always more to be had from watching and listening, much more benefit. anyway... he was working for Sun for goodnessakes... they are not the christ to the anti-christ of microsoft or anything ... they *are* the big nasty corps that would be killing him if he didn't want to play their way. open source is here- because of people like him. there is no turning back the clock. the shares example you use is great, but already it is superseded... i occaisionally gamble online- when our gambling was taxed in the uk then i could avoid it by playing online rather than through a bookmaker (broker ?). no-one died. the same will happen wiuth shares and all commodities. it is already happening. i am not sure why you think you have an argument at all with waht distributed processing is... i use it regularly for 3d work and i would rather have lots of BIG computers all working together rather than lots of small ones as you suggest.. it is not mutually exclusive. so i don't get why Sun would have a problem. to do distributed computing, you still nbeed the operating system and the hardware to be talking to eachother- so , servers are still needed, no? etc etc. - Original Message - From: The Webfairy [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 4:30 PM Subject: Re: [ctrl] Yahoo! News Story - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicide http://www.gnutellanews.com/information/what_is_gnutella.shtml I disagree, strongly. This guy was only 25, and had already managed an end run against corporate control of file-sharing. He was a genius they couldn't bear to leave alive. For example, if his next program was peer-to-peer stock trading, there would be no need for the Elite's Gambling-disguised-as-Stock Markets-fraud-generation-scheme known as Stock Exchanges. His current work for Sun was in the realm of distribuited computing. Sun is known for it's Solaris operating system, a large scale operating system for powerful server computers, which is buggier and less secure than Microsoft offerings, but with such a narrow market, seldom forced to fix it's insecurities. Distribuited computing means making many small computers do the work of one big one, eliminating the need for the sort of computers Solaris runs on. If a network server's work were distribuited among the spare cycles of a huge number of peer computers, there would be no central server to be shut down or hacked. The Elites plotting against us want a top-down Master-slave relationship. Peer-to-peer relationships is what scares them most. They killed him not for what he has already done, but what he could have accomplished in the future, if there were to be one. c. wrote: and killing a developer of Gnutella is not really worth thinking about. Gnustella was/ is sweet because it is open source and killing him, now that it is alredy created, would be like murdering the chap who developed the original Linux. pointless as it has already been made and spread open sourced throughout the world. the software corp's style is to employ these maverick programmers. this gnutella dude was working for Sun. - Original Message - From: Yahoo! News To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 10, 2002 1:08 PM Subject: [ctrl] Yahoo! News Story - Gnutella Developer Gene Kan, 25, Commits Suicide Tenorlove ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) has sent you a news article Personal message: Napster has been having a battle with the corporate predators, and suddenly one of the developers commits suicide?? Does anyone else know more about this? To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.ctrl.org DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == ctrl is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substance-not soap-boxing-please! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'-with its many half-truths, mis-directions and outright frauds-is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, ctrl gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. ctrl gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. There are two list running, ctrl@yahoogroups and [EMAIL PROTECTED], ctrl@yahoogroups has unlimited posting and is more for discussion. [EMAIL PROTECTED] is more for informational exchange and has limited posting abilities. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Om Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor -~-- Free $5 Love Reading Risk Free! http://us.click.yahoo.com/TPvn8A/PfREAA
[CTRL] evil nwo british government wants me to be stoned all the time
-Caveat Lector- oh no! the evil nwo british government wants me to be stoned all the time so it can control me and take away my (somewhat nonexistant) rights. um... sounds good to me... joy! let the the coffeeshops commence... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk_politics/newsid_212/2120116.stm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Way OT
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 12:04 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Way OT I know you have to sift through quite a bit of dross, but the occasional nugget of divine madness is worth it. nope. maybe for the first few reads and then it all repeats itself. like someone screaming the same thing out over and over again louder and louder. Considering Saba, one must realize that everyone is somehow prejudiced. strange comment to make about her as the reason she is disliked is a lot to do with her relentless hatred of people. her prejudices are so widely spread. no-one is prejudiced about saba. it is not because she is white, female, hetrosexual and a fitzgerald that poeple dislike her, it is *not* prejuedice. dislike of her is based on what she does, not on what or who she is. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] is this a joke?
-Caveat Lector- no, it's real. you can get a copy of any licence, just like it says. - Original Message - From: lorne iggulden To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 8:37 AM Subject: [CTRL] is this a joke? -Caveat Lector-http://cgi.slygreetings.com/page.pl?page=53 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenor Love [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires? Firefighters are no more drawn to arson than police officers are to crime, Dr. Icove said. an unfortunate comparison that supports rather than refutes the argument possibly... arsonists within the fire services are like paedophiles in the care services. if at all possible they seek the trust of their peers in as close an environment as they can be to their subject of interest. not sure about over there- in the article there was contrasting opinions about the stats- but over here in the uk there have been numerous incidents of chronic arsonists joining the fireservices and having a whale of a time. strange though, the combination of needs and desires in such situations. are they pulled in diffrent ways? the buzz of lighting a fire as opposed to the (seeming) desire to set it so that they can fight it and be heroic... and with paedophiles- certain of them seem to put themselves into positions of responsibility- and of public standing in the field in which they work. one might think that the proximity of the interest (fire or children) might be enough (to have access). but this pull on them (arrrogance?) to go further- to want some kind of public glory- or public respect from their peers is often their downfall. kinda sweet, but you wonder at the motivations of such people, regardless of their hateful interests. are they more ill or more cunning than the arsonist/paedophile who seeks access, but keep their head down so as not to raise suspicion? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, July 09, 2002 1:22 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] NYTimes.com Article: Do Firefighters Like to Set Fires? I'm wondering if it isn't mind-control? it seems overcomplicated and unneccessary. can't the federal government just take the land legitimately , say for military use? manchurian candidates would only need to be programmed by dollars... and judging by the regularity of *seemingly* related violent deaths amongst politicians et al over the years associated with major government scandals like the kennedy assassination, post-operation security issues never seem to be a problem. if your resources are on a scale to be able to create sleepers- people apparently oblivious to their destined shadow mission in life- then i think the resources are there to do such things in much simpler ways. i am just now not sure i remember any manchurian survivors/ test subjects ever being convincing in their stories. and i don't remember any *seemingly genuine* survivors telling their stories without recovered memory therapy to aid them. and we all know what a big bag of poo recovered memory therapy is. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Way OT
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 3:31 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Way OT Amen, bring her back! I use her material as a signpost to the Twilight Zone. I know if I've gone beyond her I'm out there. She reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups. poor kansan, to be lumped in with that harpie. he may be mental but at least his work has direction, obsession and technical merit. oh yes, and self effacing humour. compare and contrast with the limitless gushing poison and repetetive inanities that accompany colleeen's ramblings. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT
-Caveat Lector- just search google and it'll let you see how close Nick Kaffes is to being arrested for stalking Nancy. and tenorlove, do you *really* believe archie shortened his subject header to fit? before you answer please consider two things. the first his previous altering of subjects of forwarded articles and the original title (a choice of two actually he could have used) of the piece i complained about. your comments regarding the correctness of negro (who gives a fuck if it is correct? i mean, really...) allied to the homo is a movement comment (is it really?) and your assertion that he innocently did it to shorten the subject header for technical resons suggests that your sympathies lie with him. co-editor? and what exactly are you editing? the posts? the posters? - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 2:04 PM Subject: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT -Caveat Lector- On which newsgroups can one find Kansan? People used to cross-post him here. I miss his humor. Tenorlove --- Mark McHugh [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: reminds me of Kansan1225 on various Usenet newsgroups. __ Do You Yahoo!? Sign up for SBC Yahoo! Dial - First Month Free http://sbc.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, July 08, 2002 5:57 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kansan1225 was Re: [CTRL] Way OT Score one for Bard; he doesn't attack people who disagree with him. thanks for ignoring the questions asked. and one of the points of my attack on bard is that using a derogatory word (homo, nigger, yid, etc) *is* an attack. i can avoid his postings- but by changing the subject of an article and replacing a neutral word with a derogatory word i cannot ignore his attacks. further- his postings (in this and other cases) are all about attacks on individuals who disagree with his way of thinking. he is not arguing with anyone- he is instigating attacks and prejudice. my posts are *in response* to his attacks and thus, defence on my part. so.. score one for me, by your way of disseminating things. *sigh*... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How and why the homo movement has targeted America's children.
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: [CTRL] How and why the homo movement has targeted America's children. Thus, says Baldwin, it is difficult to convey the dark side of the homosexual culture without appearing harsh. However, it is time to acknowledge that homosexual behavior threatens the foundation of Western civilization - the nuclear family. hehe... ok, ab and the rest of you queer bashing fearmongers, can i just stop you there and suggest that your precious godfearing nuclear family is dead in the water... and not due to the nasty gay movement (i think you prefer gay AGENDA, dontcha? arf) either... heterosexuals themselves are making other choices about how to organise their families, eschewing your normal demands to conform to YOUR idea of what is acceptable. ab... you post a lot of this misinformed and devious shit on the list. can i ask you ( i doubt i will get a response) do you really want everyone to be like you and hav your values? are your values the only values that are good? are you that arrogant? (some might suggest (rightly, often) that those who shout loudest about homosexuality are just over-interested in the subject... or even, some might suggest, latent homosexuals... you don't have a military background do you? all hail biodiversity! A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How and why the homo movement[LIST QUESTION REGSARDING SUBJECT HEADERS]
-Caveat Lector- so... "homos".. hmm... how does everyone feel about me posting articles about negros and titling it "NIGGER MOVEMENT" . or... a couple of articles about israel entitled "THOSE FUCKING MONEY GRABBING YIDS" or even, goddess help me, an article about america entitled "AMERICUNTS" ? i spose ab and his chums might appreciate it... but i don't. i ain't gay and i don't need to be to be saying this. i think subject headers-and ab is not the only one doing it- like this one are unacceptable. or am i just being completely gay about it all? ;) - Original Message - From: ab To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, July 06, 2002 6:45 AM Subject: [CTRL] "How and why the homo movement has targeted America's children." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 9-11-02
-Caveat Lector- just makes you want to jump in a plane and head for the empire state building. if i can stop vomiting that is. Send this to at least 10 people to show your support. send this to 10 people to jam the fuck out of the internet even more. it'll show your support. no, really... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Is the US in Bed with a Rogue Nation?
Title: Re: [CTRL] Is the US in Bed with a Rogue Nation? -Caveat Lector- usa is the rogue nation. uber alles. - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 3:08 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Is the US in Bed with a Rogue Nation? -Caveat Lector- on 7/2/02 7:56 PM, William Shannon at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is a rogue nation one who defiantly violates international law and United Nations Resolutions?Like the 47 deed of a dual state in Palestine?-- Doubt. Doubt thyself.Doubt even if thou doubtest thyself.Doubt all.Doubt even if thou doubtest all.It seems sometimes as if beneath all conscious doubtthere lay some deepest certainty. O kill it! Slay thesnake!The horn of the Doubt-Goat be exaltedDive deeper, ever deeper, into the Abyss of Mind,until thou unearth the fox THAT. On, hounds!Yoicks! Tally-ho! Bring THAT to bay!Then, wind the Mort!Uncle Al. the kiddies palNEURONAUTIC INSTITUTE on-line: http://home.earthlink.net/~thew A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [ctrl] Proof Suggesting Severe Corruption ??? (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- i defy anyone to say that the christian movement is just a stuck record repeating the same thing over and over again. arf. - Original Message - From: William Bacon [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 8:08 PM Subject: [CTRL] [ctrl] Proof Suggesting Severe Corruption ??? (fwd) -Caveat Lector- I pledge Allegiance to the Flag of the United States of America and to the REPUBLIC for which it stands, one Nation under God,indivisible,with liberty and justice for all. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel.
Title: Re: [CTRL] "You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel." -Caveat Lector- and not adverse to a bit of "feet washing" too by all accounts. in the biblical sense, of course. probably paid for by all the kickbacks he was getting from his mates at the tax office. and all that big time water intowine business... a total party animal, that dude. - Original Message - From: thew To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2002 11:05 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "You strain at a gnat and swallow a camel." -Caveat Lector- AmazingRather than glory in the world as it is, (and as it was made, if you posit a creator) lie to people and show them a sanitized world. Leaving them ill prepared for the realities of everyday life, and twisting the banal into significance, and beauty into fear.Remember that a sheltered Siddhartha could not understand compassion until he exposed to the real world, and that Jesus lived among the prostitutes A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Nuking a billion people
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Joshua Tinnin [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, May 30, 2002 1:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Nuking a billion people it's better to lose one billion than six or seven billion. Ain't gonna happen that way, sorry. A billion goes, we all go. I put a dollar on it. i'll take that dollar and raise you a euro. india versus pakistan is *perfect*. if it gets all nuclear then who cares? the fall out is gonna tear along the equator one way or another and we all give a toss about anyone living on the equator, right? a nice llittle limited nuclear exchange is the only way to see what happens when it happens. the data acquisition opportunity would be phenomenal and incomparable, leaving aside even the political gains for the west by such an event. oh, unless china doesn't like us taking over the whole of asia and the middle east. erm... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] No conspiracy just coincidence
-Caveat Lector- life often immitates the onion. it is uncanny sometimes. i hadn't seen this one but sometimes you watch the news or read a column in a newspaper and think i am so sure i have seen this news item before - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 6:23 AM Subject: [CTRL] No conspiracy just coincidence -Caveat Lector- The ONION (www.theonion.com) is a humorous, satrical newspaper, the front part of which is a compilation of joke stories. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- it always amuses me how certain christians use the word fornication when they are referring to BAD sexual congress. i wonder what you called the same thing when it is okay? jiggyjiggy for jesus perhaps? or maybe i am being too carnal in my thinking- maybe you meant fornication in a spiritual abstract way. oh, i forgot, abstract interpretation is not allowed, is it? only literal scripture truth. typical, huh. ;) - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 21, 2002 11:40 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- yeah the grapes of the wrath of her fornication...clearly you havent read very many catholic books OR the scripture. --- Edward Britton [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- still self righteous, still hypocritical and the funniest thing is that you write the words and still insist that catholics do bad things and that protestants don't because protestants are christians and catholics aren't christians. LOL may the baby jesus close your mouth and open your mind. - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 2:13 AM Subject: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- to C. and db C, kindly dont put words in my mouth. I simply stated what i believe, which is the scripture. Thats not pride. No one ever claimed a catholic who was open about his or her faith was prideful and arrogant. I am defined by scripture, which is final authority on what a Christain is. Catholicism itself admits it defines itself by its tradition. The introduction to the new american bible (i believe thats one of the modern catholic bibles)says the catholic church derives ALL her teaching from tradition. A Christian is defined by the scripture, whether a person believes the scripture to be authoritative or not. I dont belive the Koran or the Hadith to be authoritative, but i believe muslims get their definition of a muslim from the koran and the hadith. db, The scripture is a history yes, but the gospel was preached in abraham, before there was a law, a judaism,before Jesus was here, before babylonian catholicism, roman catholicism, or a new world order. I know alot of people who were raised as catholics and grew up to try to forget everything christian which never was christian to begin with. I hope things change someday. Oh and by the way C, when the prostants catch people in an act of wickedness, they do not shuffle them off to another church, pay all their expenses, and then stand before the congregation, or the world, and say i didnt know it was wrong, and its your fault anyway for having your kid around the person...(paraphrasing cardinal Law). jane A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- Well C. you are definitely a typical catholic, LOL and here you go again attributing stereotyping (and a very bigoted sweeping stereotyping comment it is too!) to someone who is arguing with you! i am not catholic, FYI. and your above comment proves what i have been saying about you- bigoted and selfrighteous and unaware apparently that protestants in positions of power (the clergy) *do* do evil things as well as any religion and they *do* sweep things under the carpet if it suits them. to distinguish between a catholic who is sinning and a prod who is sinning or a muslim who is sinning is disengenuous at the very least and bigoted at worst. I simply stated a Christian is not defined by a system, you did a lot more than say that you silly moo. and you are apparently not even aware of it A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- papists or prods, you are all the same to me. i.e, delusional, disfunctional individuals who need a higher moral authority to decide what life is about and how to live it. fine, you need a crutch because death is so fucking scarey, but when you take a higher moral ground based on faith and condemn other delusionists for their different faith, then i think you are a problem. it is all about being better than someone else, isn't it? you are a purer, better christian because you have a better understanding of what the bible means than other so-called christians. i bet this doesn't just stop at catholics, does it janesaved? i bet you look down your nose at other protestant denominations too. - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 9:16 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- Everyone reading this notice carefully there was no direct challenge or answer to the response. Only one line of it apparently was read. Now the word typical can be added to C.'s list of reasons to call names like a school yard child(instead of answering the post)so if there are any Christians out there reading this, dont say typical and don't write anything more complicated than yes or no questions. You wont really get an answer, just a bunch of TYPICAL name calling. oops i said typical again. This is TYPICAL when dealing with a catholic of any flavour, And C. the only way I will not earnestly contend for the faith ONCE given, is when you send your loving, righteous, humble, temperate and charitable, holy Inquisition to flay or burn or rip or rape or pillage to shut me up. --- c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 11:42 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] to C. and Hammurabi Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- Well C. you are definitely a typical catholic, LOL and here you go again attributing stereotyping (and a very bigoted sweeping stereotyping comment it is too!) to someone who is arguing with you! i am not catholic, FYI. and your above comment proves what i have been saying about you- bigoted and selfrighteous and unaware apparently that protestants in positions of power (the clergy) *do* do evil things as well as any religion and they *do* sweep things under the carpet if it suits them. to distinguish between a catholic who is sinning and a prod who is sinning or a muslim who is sinning is disengenuous at the very least and bigoted at worst. I simply stated a Christian is not defined by a system, you did a lot more than say that you silly moo. and you are apparently not even aware of it A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om __ Do You Yahoo!? LAUNCH - Your Yahoo! Music Experience http://launch.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial
Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: Pompous Papal Pederasty
- Original Message - From: Edward Britton To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, May 20, 2002 10:31 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] to anyone Re: Pompous Papal Pederasty Speaking as a *Protestant* Episcopalian, I resemble that remark :-)that's what i was brought up as- butin an area where the wee free church is popular, which accounts for my resentment of holier-than-thouposturing rather than having faith itself. the good thing about the episcopalian church was that it sort of sat between the protestants and the catholics (such as they were in that town). the protestants thought the episcs were too liberal and southern and flowery and the catholics liked them for exact same reason (with reservations about the liberalism of course). in a modern secular world that makes for a good spirit interdenominationally- but this middle ground, a gentler more embracing church becomes somewhat insipid it seems, same as in politics. the dilution of intolerance blunts the edge of the relationship between the church and god and the individual. both the hardcore prods and roman catholics (and whatever religion) have a closer relationship with their faith simply because there is no doubt, or doubt is a battle against the devil- to be won and the faith reaffirmed. it is better for the soul to fear god, the comfort of the strict but loving pater. you know where you are with these levels of faith. but when you take a pragmatic view of your faith and abstract it a little too much, well things get a little weak and you end up with a social scene as part of a community, rather than a community structured by the faith and it's relgion.
Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- don't be dim. you say that we do not rape children and that is pride. and more- it is unfound prideful hypocrisy. protestants *do* rape children as well as people from all denominations. does not a catholic read john 5:13? or do the words transmogrify into thou shalt rapeth the child? - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, May 19, 2002 11:31 AM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- I'm sorry but you are wrong. I can only go on the only authority which is the Scripture. The scripture is perfectly clear on what a christian is, down to the exact details. It has nothing at all to do with pride, it has to do with knowledge. The bible says KNOW you have eternal life (1john 5:13). Doesnt make me prideful. It makes me (and anyone else who simply believes) assured forever. See also Isaiah 32:17. --- c. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- Like it or not, catholics are not Christians. Christians who are born again and read their bibles and take it at face value (instead of relying on men who relied on men who relied on men who THOUGHT they knew God)do not rape children. WE do not entangle ourselves in political intrigues. oh that's all we need, more selfrighteous christians committing the sin of pride all over the list... jeez A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: janesaved [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, May 18, 2002 12:01 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Pompous Papal Pederasty -Caveat Lector- Like it or not, catholics are not Christians. Christians who are born again and read their bibles and take it at face value (instead of relying on men who relied on men who relied on men who THOUGHT they knew God)do not rape children. WE do not entangle ourselves in political intrigues. oh that's all we need, more selfrighteous christians committing the sin of pride all over the list... jeez A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] bye bye pim
-Caveat Lector- yes it is... well *openly* gay and rightwing anyway and then it was reported that he hated islam because of it's attitudes to gays, so it isn't such an incrongituity really afterall. also saw him interviewed and pestered about defining racism. he said that the country was a house and that the guests were taking over and not letting any space for the household :) hehehe. it is so funny to see this type of activist/politician coming out of holland. to see him saluting seems so strange. - Original Message - From: Tenorlove [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, May 07, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] bye bye pim -Caveat Lector- This wasn't in yesterday's death reports, but in today's papers, it is being reported that Pim Fortuyn was looking to become the Netherlands' first gay prime minister. Gay right-wing are an unusual combination. Tenorlove __ Do You Yahoo!? Yahoo! Health - your guide to health and wellness http://health.yahoo.com A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Prophetic Surveillance
everyone's a pro-reptoid spook when they disagree with you, aren't they? - Original Message - From: andrew hennessey To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 22, 2002 7:21 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] "Prophetic" Surveillance alas, a pro-reptoid spook andrew hennessey www.trans4rm.co.uk
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: inri [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:35 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites? Nazism is pagan, not Christian. http://www.sasquatch.com/~kory/occult_roots.html the arians are supreme part of nazism is pagan; the semites are plotting to destroy us part is the result of hundreds of years of bigotry pushed, originally, by the vatican. personally, i'm not entirely convinced that hitler or the neo-pagans in charge actually *believed* any of their anti-jewish tripe; either way, it was used by hitler's bosses as a means to bring out long standing societal prejudices and brainwash the people into complete subservience. you're starving and desperate.who do you blame? the jews! give us supreme power and we'll get rid of all of them! only then will you be fed and comfortable.. bullshit, of coursebut it worked because europe *already* had strong anti-semitic feelings hidden away under the carpet: feelings that were the result of vatican propaganda resulting from the circumstances around the death of christ. you are both correct. it is also suggested that targeting the jews was not only a pragmatic tactic but also part of the plan to replace christianity with neopaganism, the rationale being that the jewish religion was the foundation of christian belief and had to be removed. but removing christianity could not be done immediately. one thought was that people need to know that if they are fighting and dying for a cause- there needs to be a heaven to go to- a reward, but the religion that was being prepared by nazism had no heaven so it suited to keep xtianity in place for the moment. but really, such esoteria is by the by. there were just *so* many reasons why jews (amongst others) were so easily targeted. communism and judaism were closely identified in germany and it was that, more than anything else that made it so easy fro the nazis to play to the german people's fears. not only germans either. in britain too and in a lot of countries. my grandmother is a fine example of contemporary thinking. as an 18 year old she went from the north of scotland down to leeds (big recent jewish population) in the north of england in the 1930s and was scared out of her wits when she first arrived and realised that there were jews on the bus with her. it was common knowledge up here in scotland that jews ate babies. i admit- we were (are) a backward bunch of folks- and that is only a generation ago! so easy to do anything with that kind of public thinking going on... A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BEHOLD A PALE HORSE
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Shelby Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 5:50 PM Subject: [CTRL] BEHOLD A PALE HORSE Now Me, I am the Horse of a Different Color, not a BLACK beauty then Saba, old girl? A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kroger wants your fingerprint!
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Shelby Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:30 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Kroger wants your fingerprint! trash being the operative word describing your postings saba. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] BEHOLD A PALE HORSE
-Caveat Lector- an old nag more like flogging is too good for ya, it's the glue factory for you saba. - Original Message - From: Shelby Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, April 20, 2002 6:33 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] BEHOLD A PALE HORSE -Caveat Lector- I am Behold the True Blue Horse .you o doubt follow the horses with a broom? You little old muckraker you. True Blue A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites?
-Caveat Lector- i hardly think someone describing themselves as true blue should attack Inri for ambiguous nomenclature.how about you change yours to misinterpreter? or colleen maybe? ;) arf. - Original Message - From: Shelby Kincaid [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 19, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] Why not be Anti, Semites? -Caveat Lector- Oh so, INRI you prefere nazi assholes to jew haters? With a name like INRI better watch out; for it was nazi assholes who nailed Christ the first time and I do not think he would turn the other check for a second time. Ought to change your name INRA - how about Jew Baiter? True Blue A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America.
yes, yes, yes, we all know that JAH is justanother holocaust apologist (but granted, the only Jedi Knight holocaust apologist i have heard of...), but it isn't really news, is it? - Original Message - From: Staffan Enbom To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, April 14, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: [CTRL] Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America. Benjamin Freedman Speaks: A Jewish Defector Warns America.
Re: [CTRL] Apologies
-Caveat Lector- but you were spot on with your assessment :) - Original Message - From: Matthew Boyd [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, April 12, 2002 8:57 AM Subject: [CTRL] Apologies -Caveat Lector- Apologies for sending my last post to this list. It was meant to go elsewhere. M Boyd A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Petition: Licence to recover the Ark of the Covenant
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Staffan Enbom [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 11, 2002 1:20 PM Subject: [CTRL] Petition: Licence to recover the Ark of the Covenant -Caveat Lector- Petition: Licence to recover the Ark of the Covenant God's Law, The Torah, after which the Hill of Torah/Tara is named, is contained inside The Ark that is buried at Tara and in it God prohibits all human legislation, which includes anti-gun legislation as well. taketh up thine M16 and walketh, my sonfor the meek (and the heavily armed) shall inherit the earth A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Racial Ethnic Cleansing - With U.S. Blessings
-Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 10, 2002 2:09 PM Subject: Re: [CTRL] [InTheShadows] Racial Ethnic Cleansing - With U.S. Blessings Israel would then be destroyed anyway, but it wouldn't go alone. Now consider: who gains from this? america, as always. A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fw: How Come No One Fights in Big Famous Nations Anymore?
-Caveat Lector- from the onion archives if i remember correctly. - Original Message - From: Ric Carter [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 7:00 PM Subject: [CTRL] Fw: How Come No One Fights in Big Famous Nations Anymore? -Caveat Lector- - Original Message - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, April 08, 2002 10:41 AM Subject: How Come No One Fights in Big Famous Nations Anymore? HIGH SCHOOL STUDENTS DEMAND WARS IN EASIER-TO-FIND COUNTRIES A HREF=http://www.ctrl.org/;www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF=http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html;Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF=http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/;ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
