[CTRL] Patriarchy and Economic Servitude
-Caveat Lector- Original Message Subject: [blue honey] (unknown) Date: Tue, 27 Mar 2001 21:32:24 - From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] snip The subject of this loosely constructed message, is to share my recent realization that a major consequence of the rules we abide by today concerning sexual exclusivity in marriage, is to uphold the system of property ownership: without which there could be no rich or poor. An essential task every society must do, is raise the next generation. Institutions often form around fulfilling one of society's basic needs. However, even before organized society existed, nature had developed a way to continue the species and ensure the next generation. Note that the act by a caveperson to have and care for offspring did nothing to benefit his/her individual survival; but did everything to benefit the future survival of the species. Thus nature (or God) caused there to be a physical (bodily) attraction between male and female, so that individuals would do what otherwise didn't benefit them, -that otherwise was an expense in effort and resources. So that the essential societal need of producing the next generation already has a mechanism for being fulfilled, even without the institutions of marriage and family. -So that the 3rd, modern meaning of marriage (that is, for personal fulfilment of the body and mind provided by nature/God) is not really new, but is instead, ancient and existed prior to recorded history. As civilization developed more structure and organization, perhaps the institutions of family and marriage then took over the task of supplying society's need to produce the next generation. -As ways were found to slow the birth rate as run by nature, more resources were left for the adults; hence arranged marriages for the purpose of enhancing and preserving family property were the traditional way, and represent a more traditional meaning of marriage -that of pleasing society. ...African Americans... must realize they've had their culture -a natural culture, that of a tribal community (reference 'survivor'), where the task of reproducing the next generation came from the natural way developed over pre history -that of bodily/physical attraction between the sexes; and where the burden of offspring was born by not only the couple bearing the children, but by the whole tribal community - humans of prehistory developed as tribal communities, not as nuclear families, like gorilla primates. -Their tribal culture torn from them and western culture imposed on them as a result of their forcible removal to the US. As slaves, the institution of family and marriage, they were not allowed. So that for an extended period, all they had was the natural way. And then after being freed, having to endure the migration of their able bodied men to the North for industrial work, away from their women and children, thus disrupted families and extended families. Instead of being ethnocentric and thinking that one way is better than another because it is our way and is what we're used to: Instead let us view the different ways objectively. In so doing we can gain insight into our own ways. Looking at the task of producing the future generation: since all of society is benefitted by its successful completion, its reasonable to expect all of society to bear the expense and burden of this task. However, the institution of family, ties completely, the burden/responsibility for offspring a couple bears, to that couple, and frees the rest of society from any responsibility whatever. And this burden becomes especially intense when the father steps out and leaves only the mother to bear the whole burden. This doesn't represent parts of society cooperating and working together to accomplish a common important social task. Thus the institution of family is not a part of the structural-functionalist theory, at least not concerning the important (essential) social task of producing the next generation. Females have and raise kids for the benefit of society having a next generation, but the other parts of society give nothing in return for this. The act to divide the societal whole into parts, with each part assigned a task, doesn't represent cooperation between the parts, but represents a shoving the burden onto one group (which is exploitation); -when all parts should be helping with an important task, in order to be in cooperation. This represents a basic flaw in the structural-functionalist theory. It is perhaps the foreignness of our culture's concept of focusing responsibility for children onto the nuclear family unit, as opposed to extended family, that these African American song writers are expressing and rebelling against. This Western way isn't even logical. Looking at the task of producing/rearing the future generation: those who must do this task are prevented from attending to the power struggles of the present
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Jeez, all I was saying was that, IMO, your CTRL posts and web articles almost always seem to be well worth the read -- and I was quoting Bill's word's, NOT mine. It's not like I believe you have a monopoly on the truth or anything, or that you're "all that", and whatnot. In fact, if it makes you feel any better, in "Wall Street and the Rise of Hitler" Antony C. Sutton said about everything you mentioned in that article even better then you said it. (And it's not as if Sutton has a monopoly on the so-called 'truth' either.) http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/ Sorry about the flattery. It won't happen again. Nessie wrote: When hasn't Nessie supplied us with a steady flow of GodDAMN, brilliant writing, and great pieces?! Look, I'm flattered and all, but let's be realistic here. My talent with language is something I was born with, and while I'm glad it happened, I cant honestly take credit. Its either the work of God or the work of blind chance, depending on which you choose to believe. But style is not what my writing is about. My writing is about research. I look stuff up I tell you what I find. Research takes very little talent, if any. Research is not about inspiration. Research is about perspiration. If you know what youre looking for, and you just keep looking and you do it in a thorough and systematic fashion, sooner or later you will find it. Its a lot more like digging a ditch than it is like rocket science. The trouble with conspiracy research, and historical research in general, is not that its difficult, but that so few people seem willing to make the effort to dig. Most people seem willing to let others dig for them. Not every alleged researcher digs their ditch in a straight line. A lot of them shovel pure crap. The result is massive and widespread delusions. This is not accidental. There are people out there who get paid to tell you lies and to distract and divert you from the reality of their masters crimes. Other people do it for sport. It behooves anyone who wants to know whats really going on out there to find out for themselves. This means going to multiple sources, and whenever possible to primary sources. Above all, it means not taking any single guys word for anything, not even mine. This is not difficult to do, nor is it an unpleasant way to pass time. But it is time consuming. The essence of effective research is time management. Life is short. How much of it do you really want to spend listening to one or two guys who may or may not be lying or wrong? Youll never learn the truth of anything from one guy, except the nature of his own opinions. If you want an opinion, have one of your own. But base it on facts, not somebody elses opinions. If a guy said something happened, find out if hes telling the truth. First check his sources. If he gave none, hes lying. If he gives only a single source, theyre lying. Conspiracy, by its very nature, is buried under a pile of lies. Conspiracy theory isnt built, its uncovered. Youre not trying to build rockets. Youre digging a ditch. Every shovel full of crap you fling over your shoulder, the closer to your goal you are. If theres a guy in front of you digging, the crap he flings lands in your face. Get out in front of him. Fling crap behind you. Then youll make progress, IMHO. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lawyer Alleges Federal Plot Unleashed AIDS on Blacksj2
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: This shyster says he found a document which will prove that the Gov developed aids. Maybe yes, and maybe no. But he extrapolates this into a plot by the Pentagon to wipe out Blacks. Now which is the more likely scenario? It's not a "plot by the Pentagon"; certain elements of the military establishment are merely the tools of some very unscrupulous miscreants and scoundrels with lots of power and money and a curious agenda. As for the "Blacks", he was referring mainly to Africa - which he believes is a planned depopulation (Global 2000-type thingy) to loot and usurp the abundant resources from the ever-growing, so-called "worthless eaters" there by 2066. Rense stated that he believes that such depopulation will happen much earlier if the present rate of 'AIDS' (or whatever the fuck it is) continues. That what he claims is actually possible to do. According the gubbnmint docs he uncovered it seems VERY possible. Whether they are genuine or not, I don't know. Rense seemed quite taken by them, though - and he doesn't strike me as a fool (on most issues). Or... This shyster race hustler is out to invent a race based case to make a buck. I'd say making a buck probably has something to do with it, but why does it have to be either-or? And isn't he entitled to a little compensation for his 8-9 years of intense research; after all, time is money? C'mon guys. There are real conspiracies. But one can't just believe any bullshit that comes down the pike. True, but you seemed to have made up your mind before you heard his side of the story. I was skeptical of the engineered viral theory too (although for about 8 or so years I've believed 'AIDS' as presented by Gallo, et al., is pure BUNK). Now, after hearing him interviewed on Rense, I'm at least giving his theory the benefit of the doubt. http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=867234 "We have stood by like timid sheep while the wolf killed, first the weak, then the strays, then those on the outer edges of the flock, until at last the entire flock belonged to the wolf. We did not care about the weak or about the strays. they were not a part of the flock. We did not care about those on the outer edges. They had chosen to be there. But as the wolf worked its way towards the center of the flock we discovered that we were now on the outer edges. Now we must look the wolf squarely in the eye. That we did not do so when the first of us was ripped and torn and eaten was the first wrong. It was our wrong." - Gerry Spence I see you've got a thing for shysters eh?-- J2 Sometimes; I especially have a perpetual stiffy for that "moldering, dead" 19th Century lawyer/legal theorist Lysander Spooner. Frederic Bastiat wasn't too bad, either. IMO, not ALL lawyers are shysters, although a VAST majority of them seem to be. "Poor people have access to the courts in the same sense that the Christians had access to the lions..." -- Justice (JUST-us) Earl Johnson Jr. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Lawyer Alleges Federal Plot Unleashed AIDS on Blacksj2
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: It's called science fiction fantasy bullshit. Perhaps; I heard Jeff Rense give him a lengthy interview the other day, and found him pretty convincing. Then again, I'm just a golwis, conspiracy kook, so what the fuck do I know (besides "fiction fantasy bullshit" and whatnot)? http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=867234 "We have stood by like timid sheep while the wolf killed, first the weak, then the strays, then those on the outer edges of the flock, until at last the entire flock belonged to the wolf. We did not care about the weak or about the strays. they were not a part of the flock. We did not care about those on the outer edges. They had chosen to be there. But as the wolf worked its way towards the center of the flock we discovered that we were now on the outer edges. Now we must look the wolf squarely in the eye. That we did not do so when the first of us was ripped and torn and eaten was the first wrong. It was our wrong." - Gerry Spence A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Battle of Harvest Moon True Story of Space Shuttles
-Caveat Lector- Archie Bunker wrote: GodDAMN!! That's brilliant writing! Great piece "Nessie"!! Bill. When hasn't Nessie supplied us with a steady flow of GodDAMN, brilliant writing, and great pieces?! A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... youcanlegalizetheft.
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: Even Libertarians are sometimes capable of truth. The problem is that they are incapable of the WHOLE truth. The government is half the problem. The Rich and their economic system is the REAL core of the problem. "What we call the 'government' is nothing but a front for the corporations Marxism is nothing but state monopoly capitalism. The USSR was nothing but a big company town." - Nessie C'mon. Let me hear you shout it out Libertarians. Capitalism SUCKS!! "__" H. I thought so. Joshua2 That's because a libertarian couldn't *honestly* say it. If one did, they wouldn't actually be a libertarian, they would be a political anarchist (i.e, libertarianism without capitalism; or a 'left-libertarian'/'libertarian socialist', as they've styled themselves these past 150 or so years). At the core of modern American libertarianism is Ayn Rand - a self-professed "radical for capitali$m", (with books like "Capitali$m: The Unknown Ideal"). Thus, for these brainwashed, Randian feebs, even considering the notion that capitalism and it's Corpus Grunch "SUCKS", would be like a Christian denying that Jesus ever existed (was a plagiarized ancient myth based on astro-theology and entheomycology). "The thing I keep running into with libertarians is that they are purposely blind to the following: if you start with a weak state and a laissez-faire economy, eventually megacorporations will coalesce and become a defacto state, usually fascist and obviously not held accountable by the democratic process. And the megacorps will mold and embolden the state so that it has the authority and agenda to serve them. I don't have to wonder about the viability of this theory, since I have discovered that the US is more or less living proof." -Daniel Pouzzner "Each system in its own way is a system of plunder, an organizational device to get everyone living (or attempting to live) at the expense of everyone else, while the elitist leaders, the rulers and the politicians, scalp the cream off the top." - Antony C. Sutton A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] How it's done: When you write the laws... you can legalizetheft.
-Caveat Lector- "Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." - P.J. O'Rourke Nurev Ind Research wrote: -Caveat Lector- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: March 22, 2001 === HA! J2 posting a Libertarian party press release (and in a favorable light)?! Never thought I'd see the day In defense, I assume he'll come back with something along the lines of: even if a fool says the sun is shining, doesn't mean the moon's out. The title of the thread sure seems to hit the nail on the head. As what's-his-face long ago put it: "All the great governments of the world - those now existing, as well as those that have passed away - have been of this character. They have been mere bands of impostors, who have associated for purposes of plunder, conquest, and the enslavement of their fellow men. And their laws, as they have called them, have been only such agreements as they have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain their organizations, and act together in plundering and enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share of the spoils. "All these laws have had no more real obligation than have the agreements which brigands, bandits, and pirates find it necessary to enter into with each other, for the more successful accomplishment of their crimes, and the more peaceable division of their spoils. "Thus substantially all the legislation of the world has had its origin in the desires of one class of persons to plunder and enslave others These laws have continued in force for hundreds, and, in some countries, for thousands of years; and are in force today, in greater or less severity, in nearly all the countries on the globe. "The purpose and effect of these laws have been to maintain, in the hands of the robber, or slave holding class, a monopoly of all lands, and, as far as possible, of all other means of creating wealth; and thus to keep the great body of laborers in such a state of poverty and dependence, as would compel them to sell their labor to their tyrants for the lowest prices at which life could be sustained. "The result of all this is, that the little wealth there is in the world is all in the hands of a few - that is, in the hands of the law-making, slave-holding class; who are now as much slaveholders in spirit as they ever were, but who accomplish their purposes by means of the laws they make for keeping the laborers in subjection and dependence, instead of each one's owning his individual slaves as so many chattels. "Thus the whole business of legislation, which has now grown to such gigantic proportions, had its origin in CONSPIRACIES, which have always existed among the few, for the purpose of holding the many in subjection, and extorting from them their labor, and the profits of their labor. "And the real motives and spirit which lie at the foundation of all legislation - notwithstanding all the pretenses and disguises by which they attempt to hide themselves - are the same today as they always have been. The whole purpose of this legislation is simply to keep one class of men in subordination and servitude to another." -- Lysander Spooner (1876) ...and let's not forget that: "When plunder becomes a way of life for a group of men living together in society, they create for themselves in the course of time, a legal system that authorizes it and a moral code that glorifies it". Frederic Bastiat "The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws." --Tacitus "The state calls its own violence law, but that of the individual, crime." --Max Stirner "Every man is free to do that which he wills, provided he infringes not the equal freedom of any other man." --Herbert Spencer "What, then, is legislation? It is an assumption by one man, or body of men, of absolute, irresponsible dominion over all other men whom they can subject to their power." --Lysander Spooner "Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal." --Frederic Bastiat "The greatest of all crimes... are committed, not so much by men who violate the laws, as by men who, either by themselves or by their instruments, make the laws; by men who have combined to usurp arbitrary power, and to maintain it by force and fraud, and whose purpose in usurping and maintaining it is by unjust and unequal legislation, to secure to themselves such advantages and monopolies as will enable them to control and extort the labor and properties of other
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Government Slush Funds
-Caveat Lector- CAFRs - Multi-Trillion Dollar Secret 3 hour audio interview (Dec. 27, 1998) http://broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/9812/end1227.ram "most outrageous financial scam and deception in history" CAFRs - The Trillion Dollar Deception 2 hour audio interview (July 12, 2000) http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=549521 [scroll past first hour; Burien is Rense's second guest] Kris Millegan wrote: - Subject: Government Slush Funds Date: Tue, 20 Mar 2001 11:13:34 -0700 From: Gaylon Ross [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Recipient List Suppressed:; If this doesn't get you up out of your chair in protest, then go on back to sleep. Government Slush Funds Most City, County, State, our Federal government, and other taxing authorities have created slush funds from overpayed taxes, called Government Investment Pools, and have invested these funds in the markets. You should demand a copy of the "Comprehensive Annual Financial Reports" (CAFRs) from your State Comptroller to see just how much taxpayer's money has been hidden in these accounts. The 1999 report for the State of Texas showed that they had in the composite accounts a total of $7.126 trillion (that's with a "T"). The total population of Texas, according to the 2000 Census, was 20,903,994. This means that for each person (man, woman and child) in Texas at that time, using the 2000 and 1999 figures, this fund held $340,868.73 per person. You can find this information on the Internet by going to http://www.financenet.gov/state/cafr.htm and looking for your state. For residents of Texas, do a search for TexPool, and look for the account called Texas Government Investment Pool (TexPool) Trust Fund. Each state has their own slush fund, and under different names, so check the records for your state, as described above for Texas. We want these investment pools eliminated, and the money in these pools returned to the taxpayers in the form of tax rebates. This money held by Texas should only be returned to those who have paid taxes in Texas, on a pro-rated share depending on the amount of taxes that they have paid. We want all forms of out city, county, state and Federal governments to be reduced to the bare amount required to provide necessary services (as defined by the taxpayers), and then the taxes should be levied in the proper amounts to exactly cover these costs. We want laws enacted to outlaw government slush funds forever. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER, by Antony C Sutton
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: from: http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/ Click Here: A HREF="http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/wall_street/"WALL STREET AND THE RISE OF HITLER, by Antony C /A - The entire book is online. Om K They have another of Sutton's books online as well: THE BEST ENEMY MONEY CAN BUY, by Antony C. Sutton http://www.reformed-theology.org/html/books/best_enemy/index.html TABLE OF CONTENTS Foreword Author's Preface Chapter I: America's Deaf Mute Blindmen The Suppressed Higher Reality Suppression of information The Deaf Mute Blindmen Chapter II: American Trucks in Korea and Vietnam For the Other Side The Soviet Military Truck Industry The Ford Gorki "Automobile" Plant The A.J. Brandt-ZIL Plant Chapter III: The Deaf Mutes Supply Trucks for Afghan Genocide The War Potential of the Kama Truck Plant Critics of Kama Silenced and Suppressed Who were the Deaf Mute Blindmen at Kama River? Chapter IV: Soviets Buy into the 21st Century Early Soviet Electronic Acquisitions Bridging the Semi-conductor Gap How the Deaf Mute Blindmen helped the Soviets into the 21st Century The Bruchhausen Network The Type of Equipment Shipped to the USSR Chapter V: Computers Deception by Control Data Corporation Soviet Agatha American Apple II Military End Use Control Data Deception The Deceptive World View of Control Data Corp. Chapter VI: Soviet in the Air German Assistance for Soviet Rockets Sputnik, Lunik and the Soyuz Programs Why Did the Soviets Embark on a Space Program? Soviet Aircraft Development Foreign Designs for Soviet Aircraft Engines The Wright Cyclone Engine in the Soviet Union Western Contribution to Postwar Soviet Air Force The Boeing B-20 Four-Engined Bomber becomes the Tu-4 and the Tu-70 The First Soviet Jets Development of the First Soviet Jet Engine MIG Fighters Rolls-Royce Turbojets The Supersonic Tu-144 (Alias "Konkordskiy") Chapter VII: The Deaf Mutes and the Soviet Missile Threat American Acceleromters for Soviet Missiles American Ball Bearings for Missile Guidance Systems Chapter VIII: The Soviets at Sea Origins of the Soviet Merchant Marine Illegal Actions by State Department The Deaf Mute Blindmen Forge Ahead Submarine and Anti-Submarine Warfare The Soviet Union as a Source of Information Chapter IX: The Leaky Pipeline Embargo Working Both Sides of the Street The Reagan Administration Marshmallow Approach Chapter X: DMBs Supply Nerve Gas Plants State Department Concurs in Explosives Manufacture The DMB and Nerve Gas Technology Chapter XI: Chevron-Gulf Keeps Marxist Angola Afloat Identification of the Deaf Mute Blindmen What is to be done Chapter XII: Tanks The Development of Soviet Tank Design The Famous T-34 Medium Tank DMB Pleas of Ignorance The U.S.-Built Stalingrad "Tractor" Plant The U.S.-Built Kharkov "Tractor" Plant The U.S.-Built Chelyabinsk "Tractor" Plant Chapter XIII: Why the DMBs Aid Soviet Ambitions The Bureaucrats' View of "Peaceful Trade" Useless Pinpricks as Policy Multinational Businessmen and the Politics of Greed CONCLUSIONS: Treason Are the Soviets Enemies? The Soviet Record of Aggression Are the Deaf Mute Blindmen Guilty of Treason? United States Constitution APPENDIX A: Exchange of Letters with Department of Defense, 1971 APPENDIX B: Testimony of the Author Before Subcommittee VII of the Platform at Miami Beach, Florida, August 15, 1972, at 2:30 P.M. APPENDIX C: Letter from William C. Norris, Chairman of Control Data Corporation to Congressman Richard T. Hanna, 1973 APPENDIX D: Letter from Fred Schlafly to friends and supporters of American Council for World Freedom, dated April 1978, asking to mail "Yellow Cards" of protest to William Norris Letter from William C. Norris to each "Yellow Card Sender," dated May 5, 1978 Letter (Protocol) of Intent dated 19 October 1973 (English version) between State Committee of the USSR Council of Ministers for Science and Technology and the Control Data Corporation English version of Agreement between State Committee of the Council of Ministers of the USSR for Science and Technology and Control Data Corporation (signed by Robert D. Schmidt), dated 19 October 1973 APPENDIX E: Position of Texas Instruments Company and Chairman Fred Bucy on dangers of trading technology to the Soviets APPENDIX F: U.S. Firms Trading with the Soviet Union in the 1960-1985 Period APPENDIX G: Confidential Government Report on Cummins Engine Company (J. Irwin Miller) and Financing of
[CTRL] Patriarchy and the Drug War
-Caveat Lector- -- excerpt from: http://egodeath.com/new.htm -- The WOD is not "like" the old Inquisition, it *is* the old Inquisition. The best book explaining this is Shamanism and the Drug Propaganda: Patriarchy and the Drug War. Dan Russell. 11/98. The Catholic Church formula was to take all the money and possessions of anyone who used plants to have independent religious experiencing. The authorities forcefully insisted that life must be lived within the total framework they provided, mentally, experientially, and economically. To live outside that framework and to have religious or philosophical experiencing outside that framework was to break the law, which the church liked because then they could gain all your possessions and money. Science, democracy, and the renaissance were largely rejections of that sort of authoritarianism and forced hierarchical government which could treat people as having no rights and no property rights. America was founded on the principle of no martyrs, no victims of government campaigns, of inverting the power relation and rights-relations of citizen and government. The government exists to serve the people; the people do not exist to sustain the government. Property belongs to citizens, not to the king, pope, or governmental hierarchy, nor to the police/guard/soldiers. We need a better understanding of persecution by the church. People think it is about belief and doctrines at bottom, but as far as the power brokers in the top of the Church hierarchy is concerned, it is purely about worldly money and the power of money and the power to accumulate more money. Ultimately, the Church didn't directly care what people *believed*, but rather, what happened to the people's *money*, which was directly affected by people's beliefs. The police love druggies and hope for lots of them, because every identified or accused druggie means another property and batch of money to seize. The police-authoritarians love accused druggies for the same reason the Church-authoritarians loved accused witches -- these demarcated "devils" or boogiemen give the authoritarians the green light to take all the wealth which the person has accumulated, without the person having any recourse. The person is sent to hell either way, or some other realm, from which the person has no power to stop the authorities. Whether the person marked as a damned one is sent to jail for a long, long time, or killed and sent to hell or heaven or purgatory, it's all the same to the authorities' bank account: the person is removed, and their wealth is freed up to be confiscated by the authorities. It is crucial that we study the similarities between confiscation of the property of plant-using people (branded as "witches"), the Boston Tea Party, and forfeiture in the War On Drugs. These are all about the exact same thing at the core. I want to emphasize this above all: it is not an accident that the WOD is covered by the Boston Tea Party; or that drug use is covered by religious freedom. America was not started to prevent things *like* the war on drugs, it was started and the constitution and bill of rights were created to prevent specifically the war on drugs, not to stop things *like* the war on drugs. The Bill of Rights was not created to prevent this *sort* of thing; it was simply and frankly designed to stop this *very* thing. The WOD is not accidently covered by the Bill of Rights; the Bill of Rights was meant to stop the WOD and also other things like it. The Bill of Rights was crafted and designed expressly to block exactly what is really going on at the heart of the WOD, this dynamic of people being victims of arbitrary searches and seizures of contraband, money, property, wealth. Problem: authorities wield power to pillage and confiscate anything they feel like; all possessions potentially are the property of the State, on excuses so flimsy and accusations so vague, in the final analysis, no excuse or accusation is needed at all. Authorities see something they want, and they take it; this is complete and blatant government anarchy. Solution: restraints on government. The foundation of America is the idea of restraint on government to prevent arbitrary persecution, persecution which is most perfectly represented by the war on drugs, the war on contrabands, the war on alternatives to the governmentally enforced lifestyle and worldview. Such governments only permit one worldview, the one which causes all wealth to flow their way. If you adopt a worldview which doesn't willingly send your flow of wealth in the direction of the authorities, then they take your wealth against your will, by force and by fiat. Part of the strategy the authorties must use is propaganda designed to coerce the will of the citizens, the will of "the governed". So we see manipulation of beliefs and encouraging a sense of respect: respect for the King, for the Pope, for the police, for the media. Sure, many
Re: [CTRL] Capitalism - It's a beautiful thing?
-Caveat Lector- "M.A. Johnson" wrote: You should TRULY learn the fucking difference between PRIVATE and GOVERNMENT. "The thing I keep running into with libertarians is that they are purposely blind to the following: if you start with a weak state and a laissez-faire economy, eventually megacorporations will coalesce and become a defacto state, usually fascist and obviously not held accountable by the democratic process. And the megacorps will mold and embolden the state so that it has the authority and agenda to serve them. I don't have to wonder about the viability of this theory, since I have discovered that the US is more or less living proof." -Daniel Pouzzner "But whether the Constitution really be one thing, or another, this much is certain -- that it has either authorized such a government as we have had, or has been powerless to prevent it. In either case, it is unfit to exist." - Lysander Spooner, No Treason VI "Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur." -Latin for "Whatever is said in Latin sounds profound." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Forget the health aspect, it's the AESTHETICS
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: "Stink" is a subjective term. Many people think marijuana smells good. And by default these same individuals may eventually come to find that the reek of skunk spray in the wind no longer seems to stink, but actually "smells good" as well. And what is good, Phaedrus, And what is not good -- Need we ask anyone to tell us these things? - Robert Pirsig A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jesus was a Liberal (dose of shrooms)
-Caveat Lector- Nessie wrote: The fact of the matter is that thinking for oneself is the very core of what it means to be an anarchist. You, on the other hand, let dead men think for you. My recomendation: give it up; think for yourself. Excuse the intrusion, but the anarchist principles you've argued in this thread were also of "dead men" -- and fellow anarchists -- Lysander Spooner for one. Simply because one quotes "dead men" doesn't mean they haven't thought it out for themselves, (only later to find that they have come to similar conclusions as "dead men"). Nice fallacy, though. I've seen J2 effectively use it here on occasion as well. --- BTW, Jesus (of Is-Ra-El) was about as "liberal" as Horus and Osiris of Egypt, Mithra and Zoroaster of Persia, Krishna of India, the Buddha, and so on and so forth. All seem to be cast of the same (concealed) astro-theological/entheogenic mold. The name may have changed, the song is still the same. MERRY CHRISTMAS! http://www.bluehoney.org/Xmas.htm http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=843989 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Libertarian Socialist Are Such Arrogant Fools The NewWorldOrder
-Caveat Lector- Michael Pugliese wrote: That nutcase Bill White, ad hominem has been (by his description!) over the years a leftist anarchist (a/k/a libertarian socialist), a member of the executive committee of the Maryland Reform Party (after the Buchananites took over), and a campaign mgr. for a MD. Constitution Party candidate for public office. (Howard Phillip's party.) Golly. So what's your point? Just checked the CTRL archives, there are a slew of pieces on and about this nutter. http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?S2=ctrlq=Bill+Whites=f=a=b= Actually there isn't diddly about the dude in the archives. Your so-called "slew of pieces on and about this nutter" are nothing of the sort (merely another ad hominem fallacy). You didn't use "quotes" in your search, and your "slew of pieces" came up as general posts containing the words "Bill" -- as is Bill Clintoon, and "White" -- as in White House. So this "slew of pieces on and about this nutter" are mostly just pieces about the "nutter" masquerading around the White House as the commander in Thief. Of course, if you would have exerted the basic effort to take a quick glance at the results, you would have noticed this. [Hopefully this isn't the extent of your research skills.] So what, exactly, does left-libertarianism have to do with a New World Order of capitalist 'elite' and their political tools -- the nemesis of left-libertarianism? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] CAFR - The foxes own (60 trillion+) hen house
-Caveat Lector- "The foxes have been writing the laws on how many chickens they can eat from the hen house. At first, out of our 3000 chickens, we gave them 100 per year. They ate them and said they need 200. So we gave them 200. They ate them and then said they needed 400. So we gave them 400 but we started complaining saying enough is enough. So the foxes said they needed 440, justifying 440 with any logic available to them but realizing we were complaining about giving them 100, then 200, then 400, they, in their wisdom, started to put 150 aside each year in their own hen house held by them and undisclosed to us. Well after many a year, in the foxes own hen house they have collected 6500 chickens (total available revenue not tied in directly with the publicly known operating budget) as they continue to collect the now 510 (the disclosed operating Budget) as they cry to us saying they are barely getting by on the 510, but since we are complaining about the 510 they will cut back the annual take to 490 at great sacrifice to themselves, the foxes..." "Say it cost us $30,000 a year to maintain our house. Say our salary or income was $100,000 a year and we had a million dollars in investments, and say our total net worth was $3 million. What if we talked about our $30,000 budget as being our net worth? It would be ludicrous." "If everyone working in this country, gave every cent they made, for 10 years -- every cent, pre-tax dollars -- and put it into an investment account, it would be equal to what composite government *currently* has, liquid, in their investment funds." "The truth is that the government IS the stock market. Approximately $32 trillion is invested by government entities in the equities market. (65% of the market)" "...these crooks, in a way, have given us the power to eliminate ALL taxation..." -- Walter Burien =-=-= Real-Audio: CAFRs - The Trillion Dollar Deception 2 hour interview (July 12, 2000) http://playlist.broadcast.com/makeram.asp?id=549521 [scroll past first hour; Burien is Rense's second guest] CAFRs - Multi-Trillion Dollar Secret 3 hour interview (Dec. 27, 1998) http://broadcast.com/shows/endoftheline/9812/end1227.ram "most outrageous financial scam and deception in history" =-=-= "The Holy Grail of accounting..." CAFR Reports (alphabetic listing by state) http://www.financenet.gov/state/cafr.htm For example, in the 1998 CAFRs, Burien found: * $32 Trillion+ composite Stock ownership, * $8 Trillion+ Insurance Company equity participation * $5.5 Trillion+ Bond surety investment accounts Combined, all liquid investment funds: $60 Trillion. =-=-= Biggest Financial Scandal In US History Revealed On TV (1-6-00) http://rense.com/politics6/scandal.htm State, County, And Local Governments Hide Trillions (6-7-99) http://rense.com/politics2/hidetrill.htm Latest On Those Trillions In Assets Hidden By Government (1-8-99) http://rense.com/political/hidgov.htm TRILLIONS Said Hidden By Cities, Counties, States, And Feds (12-13-98) http://rense.com/ufo2/CAFR.htm see also: http://cafrman.com/ http://www.buildfreedom.com/cevi/cevi_1.htm http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_metcalf_news/2806_xngme_the_govern.shtml =-=-= "Thus it is obvious the only visible, tangible government we have is made up of these professed agents or representatives of a secret band of robbers and murderers, who, to cover up, or gloss over, their robberies and murders, have taken to themselves the title of "the people of the United States"; and who, on the pretense of being "the people of the United States," assert their right to subject to their dominion, and to control and dispose of at their pleasure, all property and persons found in the United States." -- Lysander Spooner, 1870 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email:
Re: [CTRL] A Funny Thing Happened...
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: A funny thing is, that if ya follow the ships, first, slaves, sugar and rum then some ships did duty in opium, then coolies, and last as oil tankers. While we're on the subject of Bob's interesting postings, and how "if ya follow the ships...", here's something Bob posted to your list this past winter which was REALLY interesting (if memory serves, Das Goat also thanked him for posting such "classic Bucky"). an exerpt from: "Critical Path" Legally Piggily, by R. Buckminster Fuller -repost- Meanwhile in history, we have millennia of people venturing forth on the world's waters-developing the first rafts, which had to go where the ocean currents took them; then the dugouts, with which they paddled or catamaraned and sailed in preferred directions; and finally the ribbed-and-planked ship, suggested to them by the stout spine and rib cage of the whales, seals and humans-stoutly keeled and ribbed, deep-bellied ships. With their large ships made possible by this type of construction, sailors came to cross the great seas carrying enormous cargoes-vastly greater cargoes than could be carried on the backs of humans or animals. Ships could take the short across-the-bay route instead of the around-the-bay mountain route. The Phoenicians, Cretans, and the Mycenaeans, together, in fleets of these big-ribbed and heavily planked ships, went to Troy and besieged it. Up to this time the besiegers of Troy had come overland, and they soon ran out of food. But the Troy-besieging Greeks and Cretans came to Troy in ships, which they could send back for more supplies. This terminally-turned-around voyaging back to the supply sources and return to the line of battle was called their "line of supply." The new line-of-supply masters-the Greeks-starved out the Trojans. The Trojans thought they had enough food but had not reckoned on the people besieging them having these large ships. The Trojan horse was the large wooden ship-that did the task of horses-out of whose belly poured armed troops. At this time the power structure of world affairs shifts from control by the city-state to the masters of the lines of supply. At this point in the history of swiftly evolving, multibanked, oarand sail-driven fighting ships, the world power-structure control shifts westward to Italy. While historians place prime emphasis on the Roman legions as establishing the power of the Roman Empire, it was in fact the development of ships and the overseas line of supply upon which its power was built-by transporting those legions and keeping them supplied. Go to Italy, and you will see all the incredibly lovely valleys and great caste/los commanding each of those valleys such as you saw in the typical city-states, and you can see that none of those walls has ever been breached. Also in Italy-in the northeastern corner-is Venice, the headquarters of the water-people. The Phoenicians~phonetically the Venetians-had their south Mediterranean headquarters in Carthage in northern Africa. In their western Mediterranean and Atlantic venturings the Phoenicians became the Veekings. The Phoenicians-venetiansin their ships voyaged around the whole coast of Italy and sent in their people to each caste, one by one. The Venetians had an unlimited line of supply, and the people inside each costello did not. The people inside were starved out. Thus, all of the regional masters of the people in Italy hated the Venetians-Phoenicians... veekings who were able to do this. There being as yet no Suez Canal, the new world power structure centered in the ship mastery of the line of supply finally forcing the Roman Empire to shift its headquarters to Constantinople some ten centuries after the fall of Troy. The Roman emperor-pope's bodyguards were the Veekings-Vikings, the water-peoples' most powerful frontier fighters. The line of supply from Asia to Constantinople was partially caravan-borne and partially water-borne via Sinkiang-Khyber Pass-Afghanistan or via the Sea of Azov, the Caspian and the Black seas. From Constantinople, the western Europe-bound traffic was rerouted from overland to waterway routes. Because the Asia-to-Constantinople half of the trading was more land-borne-via-caravans, whose routes were dominated by the city-state-mastering Turks, Constantinople in due course was taken over by the Turks who established the Byzantine Empire in the Aegean Sea and Asia Minor. Before leaving the subject of the great power-structure struggle for control of the most important, greatest cargo-tonnage-transporting most profitable, Asia-to-Europe trade routes, we must note that the strength of the Egyptian Empire was predicated upon its pre-Suez function as a trade route link between Asia and Europe via the Indian Ocean, the Red Sea, overland caravan to the Nile, and then water-borne to Alexandria, or via Somaliland, overland to the headwaters of the Nile, and thence to Alexandria. The latter route was not economically
Re: [CTRL] A Funny Thing Happened...
-Caveat Lector-
Kris Millegan wrote:
Great post, No matter how many times ya read Bucky, ya can never read him
enough, ya always learn something. Thanks pmeares and Thanks, Bob!
In case anyone is interested, this past week I listened to a couple
worthwhile audio interviews about Bucky's life and ideas archived at:
http://www.lauralee.com/archives/index.htm
I also posted a similar exerpt of Bucky's to Acharya S's list not too
long ago, and got the following response:
http://www.lauralee.com/archives/index.htm
Original Message
Subject: Re: Phoenicians = Venetians? ... [was re: Red Mafia]
Date: Sun, 02 Jul 2000 19:25:35 -0500
From: Dave Berntson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From Sex to Superconsciousness - http://www.truthbeknown.com
I snipped the headers, etc. and posted your article to
soc.culture.ancient.history. Here is the first response:
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The only source for the course of battle in the Trojan War is Homer. Yet
even with Homer, many scholars question whether such a war ever took
place. The evidences of historicity have collapsed one by one. For
example, it used to be maintained that the Trojan War recorded culture
as it would have been known in the late second millenium. This position
has been given up.
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And another response:
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If the claim is that Venice is a Phoenician city you are right.
Venice was founded in the dark ages when the some people from the coast
of Italy moved to some Islands in a lagoon for safety from invaders.
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Another response was uncharitable (" There are so many holes in
this...").
If you're interested in an alternate view of history including radical
changes in chronologies, check out this url:
http://www.univer.omsk.su/foreign/fom/england.txt
Plenty to chew on there.
and
Whoops! I posted it to soc.history.ancient (there is no
soc.culture.ancient.history) Latest response is:
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[...] The Phoenicians -- *phonetically* the
Venetians -- had their south Mediterranean headquarters in Carthage in
northern Africa. In their western Mediterranean and Atlantic venturings
the Phoenicians became the Veekings. The Phoenicians-venetians [...]
A clever idea, but it turns out to be non-factual. The two names are
completely unrelated.
Much of the writer's thesis is reasonable enough; too bad he or she wrapped
it around an etymological association which is demonstrably false.
[...] the
Phoenicians invented phonetic spelling -- *Phoenician* spelling -- which
pronounced each successive sound separately and invented letter symbols
for each sound. [...]
I'm pretty sure this one is a false, too, but can't affirm 100%.
mdl
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Re: [CTRL] A Funny Thing Happened on the way to the...'state'
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Internet writes: How I see it is that the US has been set-up as a caricature of capitalism and the USSR was set up as a caricature of communism/socialism set in place for control of the natural resources of the world. As I see it they are both capitalism. One is private monopoly capitalism. The other is state monopoly capitalism. But a boss is a boss is a boss. In neither case do ordinary people like you and I have real power over everyday life. In both cases the few control the many, and exploit us to their own advantage. The human population included. We're livestock. Nations are just glorified livestock paddocks. Borders are fences that our owners use to keep us separated into managable sized herds. Our rulers themselves care not a fig for nationalism, except as a tool to manipulate us. Capital has no borders. Capitalism, state-monopoly or otherwise, indeed seems to boil down to "control of the natural resources (of the world)" by the few, at the expense of the many. We have all become a mere number in a world of fictions -- just another commodity on the sacred 'market' -- where an elite few control more then the other 90 or so percent of the population combined. All 'governments' and 'corporations', so-called, are the created and manipulated legal fictions of an elite's avarice. They were created for one purpose: CONTROL; and they "have been only such agreements as they (the 'elite') have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain their organizations, and act together in plundering and enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share of the spoils". As my beloved, and over-quoted Spooner put it in his 19th Century pamphlets on "Natural Law", and "No Treason": [additions mine] "All political [corporate] power, so called, rests practically upon this matter of money [debt/credit]. Any number of scoundrels, having money enough to start with, can establish themselves as a "government" [or "corporation"]; because, with money, they can hire soldiers [police/courts, or wage slaves for corporations], and with soldiers extort more money; and also compel general obedience to their will. It is with government [and corporations], as Caesar said it was in war, that money and soldiers mutually supported each other" "But all this they can do only by establishing what they call a government, and making what they call laws." "All the great governments [corporations, secret societies, etc] of the world -- those now existing, as well as those that have passed away -- have been of this character. They have been mere bands of impostors, who have associated for purposes of plunder, conquest, and the enslavement [wage slavery for corporations] of their fellow men. And their laws [USC for 'gubbnmint' and UCC for 'corpus-rations'], as they have called them, have been only such agreements as they have found it necessary to enter into, in order to maintain their organizations, and act together in plundering and enslaving others, and in securing to each his agreed share of the spoils. "All these laws [USC/UCC/treaties/CONstitutions/"sacred oaths" of secret societies, etc.] have had no more real obligation than have the agreements which brigands, bandits, and pirates find it necessary to enter into with each other, for the more successful accomplishment of their crimes, and the more peaceable division of their spoils. "Thus substantially all the legislation [USC/UCC/treaties/ CONstitutions/corporate charters] of the world has had its origin in the desires of one class of persons to plunder and enslave others." "In process of time, the robber, or slaveholding, class [the 'elite', 'establishment', etc.] -- who had seized all the lands, and held all the means of creating wealth [commerce] -- began to discover that the easiest mode of managing their slaves, and making them profitable, was not for each slaveholder to hold his specified number of slaves, as he had done before, and as he would hold so many cattle, but to give them so much liberty as would throw upon themselves (the slaves) the responsibility of their own subsistence, and yet compel them to sell their labor to the land-holding class -- their former owners -- for just what the latter might choose to give them. "Of course, these liberated slaves, as some have erroneously called them, having no lands, or other property, and no means of obtaining an independent subsistence, had no alternative -- to save themselves from starvation -- but to sell their labor to the landholders [corporations], in exchange only for the coarsest necessaries of life; not always for so much even as that ['minimum wage' for some, much more for others, usually depending on who one knows, or what 'degrees' one holds from either a college or masonic lodge, or both, or whatnot]. "These liberated slaves [wage slaves], as they were
Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: My problem with the hippie genere goes back about thirty years when I saw my friends coming back from Nam missing limbs, sitting in wheelchairs, or coming home in a box. I have still not quite overcome this prejudice and wrong thinking, I'm working on it, but it gets the best of me at times. My sympathies; Nam was well before my time (although my father was drafted). I think I understand where you're coming from though. I didn't mean to point at Kris for being a long-hair; he's probably the person who should be most respected on this list My sediments exactly although there are several others on this list whose research and opinions I tend to hold in high regards as well. I'm also hoping that the proposed NY event gets off the ground, so that I can hear him lecture in person, and perhaps even be able to meet him (and some other subscribers) briefly. All the conferences I've been interested in this year have, as usual, gone down on the West coast. since he is actually trying to do something about the situation in this country by exposing the CIA's involvement with drugs. Especially that conspirator faction of the 'company' with ties to the Boodle Boys; whose families and associates have been heavily involved in the drug trade since the decline of East India Company, and the rise of the American clipper ship. Who knows, if the controlled media picks up on this it might make a very big difference, maybe it might make people start thinking about their country and their place in it ... they might even demand that their government be put in it's proper place and give up one sports event per week to keep tabs on their government. I see more and more people not trusting the government blindly. I also hear from many people that they no longer trust the nightly news and watch it only to see what sort of crap they are trying to put over now. Yet, as Gavin recently argued, those who don't trust 'gubbnmint' bureaucraps, or believe much of the crap the newfakers pawn off as 'news', are still a small, irrelevant minority; that tens of millions in America blindly believe that Clintoon, et al., are "pretty cool dudes" and they wouldn't mind "tipping back a few beers" with them. Unfortunately I'd have to say that I tend to agree with his observation. ... When people find I was in the military I know they harbor certain feelings about me - baby killer etc. and probably worry that I'll just "go off" one day. I did 3 months on Parris Island myself, and 6 years in the USMCR; although the following web page of a friend of mine sums up my current disposition towards military service: http://geocities.com/golwis/applic.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Left wing hippie (Ted Nugent Speaks...)
-Caveat Lector- Bob Stokes wrote: Why do you imagine that Ted Nugent is a right-winger? He's a hippie and hippie type people are as about as left wing as you can be. But some lefties can see that Constitutional rights are more important than welfare for the rich. It follows that you'd also pigeon-hole 'our beleaguered Kris' as being "about as left wing as you can be" since he's one of those "hippie type people" as well: http://www.cia-drugs.com/symposium/grafx/2kris.jpg Kris' mug shot for the CIA-Drugs Symposium page (Even looks like he's sporting a ceramic Amanita muscaria on the background bookshelf; pretty hip entheogenic touch, IMHO.) And, unless I'm mistaken, Kris styles himself as a "long-hair hippie" a couple times in his lecture. Yet political notions like 'left' and 'right', 'conservative' and 'liberal', 'tweedle dee' and 'tweedle dumb' are mostly irrelevant distractions used by the few to divide and loot the many. Political parties are often picked in the same manner one picks a favorite professional sport team -- and once they are chosen, it's social custom to become a "fan" or "true believer" and to blindly follow that choice through "thick and thin", "good and bad", year after year, for the rest of one's life. [Trying to change another's political beliefs by arguing facts and stats is usually about as futile as trying to change another's favorite sport team by arguing facts and stats; or to change another's faith through logic.] And simply because one lives in Dallas does not necessarily mean they are a Cowboys fan (aka, ass wipe, scum of the earth); or if they have long hair and sometimes enjoy a little herb, make them a Jane Fonda clone 'or whatnot'. If Kris is a hippie, using your fallacy he's "about as left wing as you can be", how would you explain the half-meg or so of so-called 'right-wing' Laissez Faire City Times articles he posted to the list/archive? (J. Orlin Grabbe link perhaps? Who knows?) Peace. -- "As Desi Arnez might say, 'Dju New Worlt Orter geis gotta lotta splainin' to do.'" -- Alfred Adask A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Public Citizen Supports Release of Oil from Strategic Reserve
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: This move by Gore is to appear compassionate. With YOUR OWN MONEY. He's not removing taxes from the price of oil because that comes out of Gov pockets. He's not putting a ceiling on oil and gas profits because he's a Big Oil corporate whore. So this way, you dear taxpayer get to pay for your own negligible relief. And he gets a big public fuzzy. An age-old scheme, as Éttiene de la Boétie revealed back in 1552: "Tyrants would distribute largess, a bushel of wheat, a gallon of wine, and a sesterce (Roman coin): and then everybody would shamelessly cry, 'Long live the King!' The fools did not realize that they were merely recovering a portion of their own property, and that their ruler could not have given them what they were receiving without having first taken it from them." The Politics of Obedience: Discourse of Voluntary Servitude http://www.mind-trek.com/treatise/edlb-vs.htm This is a huge wealth transfer scheme moving money from your pocket thru the oil industry to Wall Street. When *isn't* it about a "huge wealth transfer scheme moving money from your pocket thru (x) to Wall Street" (and the banksters)? Since the Civil War the entire purpose of these rackets and conspiracies has been to keep one class of men in subordination and servitude to another; holding the many in subjection, and extorting from them their labor, and the profits of their labor. Politicos, mass media, public opinion and education, etc., are mere tools used to keep the machine grunching along smoothly; for the more successful accomplishment of these crimes, and the more peaceable division of the spoils. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] The Patriot
Nurev Ind Research wrote: 6/29/00 I Just saw The Patriot. This is one of the worst movies I've seen in years. And I see lots of movies. Mell Gibson ruins every scene he is in. With all the money he makes for such incompetent work, you would think that he would invest in acting lessons. Every single actor in the movie turns in a better performance than he does. That includes some very young children. The movie is beautiful to look at and the production is impressive, but the script consists of strung together clichés punctuated by very bad acting by the lead. Even the supporting cast couldn't protect The Patriot from foreign invader Mel Gibson. Yikes! Joshua2 Sounds like you really dislike the dude. What did you think of him in Braveheart? Conspiracy Theory? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black
Nurev Ind Research wrote: I don't classify myself anymore. My only purpose in life is to bust bullshit. That endeavor manages to piss everybody off. ;} I don't like to classify myself anymore either; but out of sloppy, lazy 'thinking' and for the sake of convenience I seem to have a bad habit of classifying others. Also, IMO some bullshit doesn't really seem worth busting, and might be better left ignored. Although some of the most profound, 'eye-opening', stuff one can ever come across might be found growing on "bullshit", if you know what I mean. (McKenna, et al) And if you don't classify yourself anymore, 'sup with calling yourself "a plain old Anti-Capitalist Humanitarian Survivalist" in another message in this thread? I am not an anarchist though I love and support what the more radical Anarchists are doing. I am NOT a Libertarian of any sort whatsoever. Historically (and currently) many radical 'anarchists' have styled themselves as "libertarians"; and argue that right-wing 'anarcho'-capitalist types have insultingly usurped and perverted the term. I falsely assumed you might have felt the same way. Once again, I stand corrected. Please excuse. I hate Right Libertarians because I consider them a bunch of greedy, shallow, self centered shits who would sell children chocolate covered rat poison if " the Market " demanded it, and would cuss out the Gubbment if they tried to regulate them. The VAST majority of right-libertarians, when they hear the term "free market capitalism" (so-called), their minds seem turn to mush, and "anything goes" with regards to this sacred cow. Until not too long ago, I tended to be the same way. As with Nessie, I have little problem with 'free market' exchanges and commerce amongst fairly equal individuals, or groups of individuals, but I do have a problem when such relationships are compelled between individuals and vastly unequal legal fictions grunching around like 'giants'. As Bucky puts it: "Each of the giants of today's great Grunch is a quadrillionfold more formidable than was Goliath. Each is entirely invisible, abstract, and completely ruthless -- not because those who run the show are malevolent but because the giant is a non-human corporation, a many-centuriesold, royal-legal-advisor-invented institution. The giant is a so one-sidedly biased abstract legal invention that its exploitation by the power structures of thirty generations have made the XYZ corporations and companies seemingly as much a part of nature as the phases of the Moon and clouds of the sky" I like Noam Chomsky who calls himself a Left Libertarian. Not because he is a Libertarian, but because he is very smart and very honest. There are things he puts out which I personally don't hold by. AND, his take on what we did to Yugoslavia is wrong. I've tended to agree with most of his writings I've come across so far, especially his insights on propaganda and the newsfakers, but I haven't read much on his Yugoslavia opinions. In what way are they "wrong"? [I assume he must have supported the interventions (extortion and murders) the Western terrocrats (terrorist-bureaucrats) have perpetrated]. In any case, it is better to be a Left Libertarian than a Right Libertarian if you have any aspirations of becoming a human being. Good luck, So if I'm not yet a "human being" what, in your opinion, am I? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Myth of Natural Law
from: An Anarchist FAQ Version 8.3 - 13-Apr-2000 http://flag.blackened.net/intanark/faq/ Section F.7: What is the myth of "Natural Law"? Natural Law, and the related concept of Natural Rights, play an important part in Libertarian and "anarcho"-capitalist ideology. Right-libertarians are not alone in claiming that their particular ideology is based on the "law of nature". Hitler, for one, claimed the same thing for Nazi ideology. So do numerous other demagogues, religious fanatics, and political philosophers. However, each likes to claim that only their "natural law" is the "real" one, all the others being subjective impositions. We will ignore these assertions (they are not arguments) and concentrate on explaining why natural law, in all its forms, is a myth. In addition, we will indicate its authoritarian implications. Instead of such myths anarchists urge people to "work it out for themselves" and realise that any ethical code is subjective and not a law of nature. If its a good "code", then others will become convinced of it by your arguments and their intellect. There is no need to claim its a function of "man's nature"! The following books discuss the subject of "Natural Law" in greater depth and are recommended for a fuller discussion of the issues raised in this section: Robert Anton Wilson, Natural Law and L.A. Rollins, The Myth of Natural Law. We should note that these books are written by people associated, to some degree, with right-libertarianism and, of course, we should point out that not all right-libertarians subscribe to "natural law" theories (David Friedman, for example, does not). However, such a position seems to be the minority in right-Libertarianism (Ayn Rand, Robert Nozick and Murray Rothbard, among others, did subscribe to it). We should also point out that the Individualist Anarchist Lysander Spooner also subscribed to "natural laws" (which shows that, as we noted above, the concept is not limited to one particular theory or ideology). We present a short critique of Spooner's ideas on this subject in section G.7. Lastly, it could be maintained that it is a common "straw man" to maintain that supporters of Natural Law argue that their Laws are like the laws of physics (and so are capable of stopping people's actions just as the law of gravity automatically stops people flying from the Earth). But that is the whole point -- using the term "Natural Law" implies that the moral rights and laws that its supporters argue for are to be considered just like the law of gravity (although they acknowledge, of course, that unlike gravity, their "natural laws" can be violated in nature). Far from saying that the rights they support are just that (i.e. rights they think are good) they try to associate them with universal facts. For example, Lysander Spooner (who, we must stress, used the concept of "Natural law" to oppose the transformation of America into a capitalist society, unlike Rand, Nozick and Rothbard who use it to defend capitalism) stated that: "the true definition of law is, that it is a fixed, immutable, natural principle; and not anything that man ever made, or can make, unmake, or alter. Thus we speak of the laws of matter, and the laws of mind; of the laws of gravitation, the laws of light, heat, and electricity. . .etc., etc. . . . The law of justice is just as supreme and universal in the moral world, as these others are in the mental or physical world; and is as unalterable as are these by any human power. And it is just as false and absurd to talk of anybody's having the power to abolish the law of justice, and set up their own in its stead, as it would be to talk of their having the power to abolish the law of gravitation, or any other natural laws of the universe, and set up their own will in the place of them." [A Letter to Grover Cleveland, p. 88] Rothbard and other capitalist supporters of "Natural Law" make the same sort of claims (as we will see). Now, why, if they are aware of the fact that unlike gravity their "Natural Laws" can be violated, do they use the term at all? Benjamin Tucker said that "Natural Law" was a "religious" concept -- and this provides a clue. To say "Do not violate these rights, otherwise I will get cross" does not have quite the same power as "Do not violate these rights, they are facts of natural and you are violating nature" (compare to "Do not violate these laws, or you will go to hell"). So to point out that "Natural Law" is not the same as the law of gravity (because it has to be enforced by humans) is not attacking some kind of "straw man" -- it is exposing the fact that these "Natural Laws" are just the personal prejudices of those who hold them. If they do not want then to be exposed as such then they should call their laws what they are -- personal ethical laws -- rather than compare them to the facts of nature. F.7.1 Why the term "Natural Law" in the first place? Murray Rothbard claims that "Natural Law theory rests on
Re: [CTRL] REMEMBERING INDEPENDENCE DAY
And also worth remembering: an exerpt from: Critical Path by R. Buckminster Fuller (Ch. 3, Legally Piggily) 1981 http://www.geocities.com/capitolhill/lobby/1234/legally_piggily2.htm "In our tracing of the now completely invisible world power structures it is important to note that, while the British Empire as a world government lost the American Revolution, the power structure behind it did not lose the war. The most visible of the power-structure identities was the East India Company, an entirely private enterprise whose flag as adopted by Queen Elizabeth in 1600 happened to have thirteen red and white horizontal stripes with a blue rectangle in its upper lefthand corner. The blue rectangle bore in red and white the superimposed crosses of St. Andrew and St. George. When the Boston Tea Party occurred, the colonists dressed as Indians boarded the East India Company's three ships and threw overboard their entire cargoes of high-tax tea. They also took the flag from the masthead of the largest of the "East Indiamen"-.-the Dartmouth. George Washington took command of the U.S. Continental Army under an elm tree in Cambridge, Massachusetts. The flag used for that occasion was the East India Company's flag, which by pure coincidence had the thirteen red and white stripes. Though it was only coincidence, most of those present thought the thirteen red and white stripes did represent the thirteen American colonies-ergo, was very appropriate-but they complained about the included British flag's superimposed crosses in the blue rectangle in the top corner. George Washington conferred with Betsy Ross, after which came the thirteen white, five-pointed stars in the blue field with the thirteen red and white horizontal stripes. While the British government lost the 1776 war, the East India Company's owners who constituted the invisible power structure behind the British government not only did not lose but moved right into the new U.S.A. economy along with the latter's most powerful landowners. "By pure chance I happened to uncover this popularly unknown episode of American history. Commissioned in 1970 by the Indian government to design new airports in Bombay, New Delhi, and Madras, I was visiting the grand palace of the British fortress in Madras, where the English first established themselves in India in 1600. There I saw a picture of Queen Elizabeth I and the flag of the East India Company of 1600 AD., with its thirteen red and white horizontal stripes and its superimposed crosses in the upper corner. What astonished me was that this flag (which seemed to be seemed to be the American flag) was apparently being used in 1600 A.D., 175 years before the American Revolution. Displayed on the stairway landing wall together with the portrait of Queen Elizabeth I painted on canvas, the flag was painted on the wall itself, as was the seal of the East India Company." http://www.theeastindiacompany.com/ A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [CIA-DRUGS] Gee Dubya to Choose Keating for VP??
Kris Millegan wrote: From: David Goldman [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Oklahoma is next door to Texas...what are the drug connections between Oklahoma, Arkansas, etc. etc.?? And let's not forget this Gremlin's role in the OKC bombing cover up. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black
nessie wrote: ...Also, I respected the guy because I knew him mainly from his writing, which is eminently respectable. He's written some very funny and insightful stuff. He's an extremely articulate guy. But I didn't know him very well personally Neither did I. Thanks for the personal insights, Nessie. The notion that there were two sides to this story never crossed my mind. Its been a pleasant surprise to find out otherwise. As a recovering right-wing libertarian, I still have MUCH to learn about left-wing libertarianism; thus will have a tendency of putting my foot in my mouth from time-to-time, as I obviously just did here. Sorry, I had NO idea! Screw Bob Black and screw his opinions. The opinions of jerks do not matter. Except, I assume, for the "very funny and insightful stuff", found in most of "his writing, which is eminently respectable", (to use your words, with which I tend to agree). Off the top of your head, are there other writings of Bob Black that you have major problems with? For example: http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/black/index.html Also, I've noticed there are LOTS of anarchist lists out there, what listserver would you (or J2) recommend a newbie anarchist subscribe to / lurk on? Preferably one without TOO much traffic, as I'm already subscribed to 6 other lists, besides CTRL (although CTRL seems to have as much traffic as the other lists combined). Regards, Paul A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, mis- directions and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRLgives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html A HREF="http://peach.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black
nessie wrote: Dishing the dirt On Bob Black is deeply satisfying. Sure sounded like it brought back a lot of memories. Thanks for taking the time to share them with us. I, for one, highly enjoyed it. Even fwd your post to a few others who got a kick out of it as well. I've said enough, though. Let's talk about somebody else. Okay, what do you think about RAW's theory on The RICH Economy (RICH meaning "Rising Income through Cybernetic Homeostasis"), and similarly, Bucky Fuller's theory on DSR (Design Science Revolution) as a future anarchist-related economic system? In other words, the ending of corporate (and 'gubbnmint') wage slavery via advanced and emerging technologies (automation, robotics, AI, nanotech, etc.) with a 'Guaranteed Annual Income' roughly equal to the average middle-class income for the vast majority of the masses who, in the looming Cybernetic Age, will eventually find themselves unemployed and unemployable later this Century due to such advances? Basically: "We no longer have to hunt for our food and other basic necessities of life. But we still have an "economy" where we must accumulate "money" to "purchase" those necessities. We call this the "market." The hunt has been replaced by the rat race for money, but the rat race has now become as obsolete as the hunt. Why can't we accept that?" -- Steve Mizrach "Isn't it obvious that the whole purpose of machines is to get rid of work? When you get rid of the work required for producing basic necessities, you have leisure -- time for fun or for new and creative explorations and adventures. But with the characteristic blindness of those who cannot distinguish symbol from reality, we allow our machinery to put people out of work -- not in the sense of being at leisure but in the sense of having no money and having to accept public welfare." --Alan Watts "What may have been dismissed as the Utopian dreams of socialists and anarchists less than a century ago, are now in the realms of reality, thanks to technology and science. Materially, socialism or anarchism, is within the reach of the "toiling masses"...if they so wish. The problem now is to persuade them to want to be anything but contented, unthinking, pay-packet slaves." unsigned editorial in Freedom, 1959 "There is no more fatal blunder than he who consumes the greater part of his life getting his living." --Henry David Thoreau "As Bucky Fuller says, the first thought of people, once they are delivered from wage slavery, will be, "What was it that I was so interested in as a youth, before I was told I had to earn a living?" The answer to that question, coming from millions and then billions of persons liberated from mechanical toil, will make the Renaissance look like a high school science fair or a Greenwich Village art show." -- RAW http://whywork.org/rethinking/whywork/rawilson.html http://whywork.org/rethinking/leisure/bucky.html The notion that there were two sides to this story never crossed my mind. Its been a pleasant surprise to find out otherwise. There always at least two sides to every story. Obviously; what I meant to say was that Bob Black seemed to have numerous "problems" with historical and modern-day 'anarchists', and the notion that (many) modern-day 'anarchists' have PROBLEMS (personal, or otherwise) with Bob Black never occurred to me. As a recovering right-wing libertarian, I still have MUCH to learn about left-wing libertarianism; Don't recover too far. While much is made of the dramatic differences in economic outlook by different kinds of libertarians, there's a LOT more to life than economics. On the rest of life, we agree whole heartedly. Liberty is all. Were we disagree is on responsibility. We agree that we must take personal responsibility for our own freedom and well being. "Left wing" libertarians also believe that we must take personal responsibility for the freedom and well being of those around us. My personal take on economics is that while sharing is better, commerce is cool too, perhaps even necessary. As long as it is done without coercion and between equals, I have no problem with commerce. I myself engage. But free exchange among equals can't happen between individuals and corporations. Corporations have powers greater even than state powers. Understood; yet most 'anarcho'-capitalists fail to grasp this obvious point. It took me a decade to fully grasp it myself. The VAST majority of my pervious libertarian opinions remain intact, while my view towards "LAWCAP", multi-nationals, capital as "personal 'property'" and, especially, wage labour (wage slavery) have dropped WAY down on my "logic of probabilities" scale during these past six months. Also, I advise against using the very terms "left" and "right" when describing (small 'l") libertarianism. Left and right refer to different modes of state government. As such, they differ little. And libertarianism isn't about
[CTRL] Paradigm Shift - Robert Anton Wilson Interview
from:
ROBERT ANTON WILSON
Paradigm Shift Interview by Philip H. Farber
http://www.bestweb.net/~kali93/raw.htm
We think many of our readers are already familiar with the work of
Robert Anton Wilson. If you're not -- hoo boy! -- we are a little
envious of you, because you've got the chance to discover for the first
time an amazing collection of books including Illuminatus! (with Robert
Shea), The Earth Will Shake, The Widow's Son, Prometheus Rising, Cosmic
Trigger, Quantum Psychology, and a bunch more. Wilson's novels and
non-fiction are guaranteed to blow the cobwebs from your neurons, rattle
your cage, yank your chain, and open your eyes.
Paradigm Shift recently had the pleasure of conducting the following
interview with Dr. Wilson:
PHF: What is it that you most like to do with your time these days?
Robert Anton Wilson: I like to get stoned and surf the Web. I find all
sorts of wonderful wonders, both in text and art. This hobby occupies a
few hours a night, three or four nights a week. Otherwise, I enjoy most
of what I do but feel more pressure about it. I look after my wife
Arlen, who is recovering from a stroke; I shop and cook and houseclean
etc.; and I keep working on an encyclopedia of conspiracy theories for
Harper Collins. All that has its own rewards, but stoned Websurfing is
just pure play... and often educational, too.
PHF: Heh heh That's a common pastime around here, too. Do you think
that the hyperlinked nature of the web encourages a different kind of
thinking? If so, does surfing stoned enhance that?
RAW: I kind of suspect that hyperlinking encourages holistic or at least
nonlinear perception, but I had a lot of experience with that before the
Web. Most of my favorite 20th century writers --especially Joyce, Pound,
Williams, Burroughs -- seem to have a hyperlinked style. McLuhan
compared them to the front page of the New York Times and Kenner
compared them to film montage. It's all blended in my head --nonlinear
page make-up in journalism, montage in film, collage in painting, Joyce,
Pound, Williams, Burroughs, now the Web -- and being stoned certainly
helps you groove with that kind of "cubist" sensibility. In fact, stoned
dial surfing on TV makes for much the same effect. (I once thought I
invented dial surfing but so many others invented it at about the same
time I don't think we'll ever know who was first...)
All that said, websurfing remains the most fun, and probably the most
educational.
PHF: What are some of your favorite sites to surf stoned?
RAW: Well, I'd rather turn that around and ask you and your readers the
same question. I'm working up a list of The 10 Best Sites To Visit While
Stoned, which I'll add to my own web site when it's finished, and I'm
still looking for more leads...Just tack them on at the end of this
interview and I'll explore all the ones that are new to me.
EDITOR'S NOTE: Please send submissions for the Best Sites To Visit While
Stoned to [EMAIL PROTECTED], and we will forward suggestions to Dr. Wilson.
PHF: Okay... I'm sure we have enough stoned people surfing these pages.
Perhaps we can set up a form to submit URLs that can accompany this
interview.
RAW: I hope so. By the way, not to be too coy, a few of my favorite web
sites, which I have bookmarked and don't keep the URLs for, are the
Unofficial George Carlin site, the Monty Python sites, the SubGenius
site, the Discordian site and the Republic of Texas site.
PHF: Anyway... From what you see in your virtual travels, do you think
people are generally using the web with intelligence, or has it become a
wasteland to rival prime time television?
RAW: I don't know what "people"are doing with the Web. Since most people
seem to me to be moderately retarded, I assume they're not using much of
what is available to them. However, the brightest people I know are
using the Web very creatively and all seem to be getting brighter...or
at least better informed.
I assume the brightest people use TV that way, too, and they have used
books that way for 500 years now.
PHF: Our webzenmaster, John Hoke, asks, "Do you think the web is a
conspiracy to keep all the other conspiracies out in the open?"
RAW: Well, that's certainly an amusing way of looking at it. In general,
I regard the Web as the closest approximation yet achieved to the ideal
of a free marketplace of ideas. The Marxist criticism of democracy
("freedom of the press belongs only to those who own the press") has
always been uncomfortably close to the truth. But with the Web (and
newsgroups, chat rooms etc.) more people have more freedom of the press
or freedom of speech than ever before. I believe that is the most
positive development in this generation.
It's not just the conspiracy pages that show a much greater diversity of
opinion than the general media. Diversity is all over the net. Everybody
who can save up enough money to get a computer can send their own
version of reality to the world at large. "Just what I always wanted,"
Tom
[CTRL] My Anarchism Problem by Bob Black
"And Bakunin's 'invisible government' of anarchist militants is, at best, a poor choice of words, especially on the lips of a Freemason." from: MY ANARCHISM PROBLEM by Bob Black http://www.spunk.org/library/writers/black/sp001644.html (This was written to introduce the chapter on anarchism -- better, on anarchists -- in my book "Beneath the Underground" [1994].) Anarchism has always been problematic for me. It helped me to arrive at an unconditionally anti-statist, anti-capitalist perspective by the mid-1970's, and yet my first public statement from that perspective explained why I did not identify with anarchism. By dictionary definition, I am an anarchist, but the dictionary is only the beginning of wisdom. It cannot bestow coherence where contradictions abound or reduce differences to a unity by calling them by the same name. Once an idea is launched into history it takes more and more of its meaning from its experience. Revivalist calls to return to first principles prove the point, for they are history too. And just as no Protestant sect has ever really recreated the primitive Church, no subsequent anarchist fundamentalism ever did or could reenact pure anarchism on Bakuninist, Kropotkinist or any other models. Anything which has entered importantly into the practice of the anarchists has a place in the anarchist phenomenon-in-process, whether or not it is logically deducible from the idea or even contradicts it. Sabotage, vegetarianism, assassination, pacifism, free love, co-operatives and strikes are all aspects of anarchism which their anarchist detractors try to dismiss as un-anarchist. To call yourself an anarchist is to invite identification with an unpredictable array of associations, an ensemble which is unlikely to mean the same thing to any two people, including any two anarchists. (The most predictable is the least accurate: the bomb-thrower. But anarchists have thrown bombs and some still do.) The trouble with anarchists is that they think they have agreed on what they all oppose -- the state -- whereas all they have agreed on is what to call it. You could make a good case that the greatest anarchists were nothing of the sort. Godwin wanted the state to wither away, but gradually, and not before the progress of enlightenment prepared people to do without it. Which seems to legitimate really existing statism and culminate in the banality that if things were different they would not be the same. Proudhon, who served in the French national legislature, in the end arrived at a theory of "federalism" which is nothing but the devolution of most state power on local governments. Kropotkin's free communes may not be nation-states but they sure sound like city-states. Certainly no historian would regard as anything but ludicrous Kropotkin's claim that medieval cities were anarchist. If some of the greatest anarchists, upon inspection, appear to fall somewhat short of consistency on even the defining principle of anarchism itself -- the abolition of the state -- it is not too surprising if some of the lesser lights are likewise dim bulbs. The One Big Union of the syndicalists, who also uphold the duty to work, is one big state to everybody else, and totalitarian to boot. Some "anarcha"-feminists are book-burners. Dean Murray Bookchin espouses third-party politics and municipal statism, eerily parallel to the borderline fascist militia/Posse Comitatus movement which would abolish all government above the county level. And Bakunin's "invisible government" of anarchist militants is, at best, a poor choice of words, especially on the lips of a Freemason. Anarchists are at odds over work, industrialism, unionism, urbanism, science, sexual freedom, religion and much more which is more important, especially when taken together, than anything that unites them. Each of the North American annual "gatherings" of 1986-1989, the first time most of these anarchists dealt with one another face to face, resulted in a hemorrhage of the disillusioned. Nobody cares to host the next one, although some regional gatherings have gone off fairly well. But despite the demogogues, doctrinaires and dimwits, a portion of the anarchist press has let in some air, not all of it hot air; and oxygen is antiseptic. Anarchist or, better, anarchistic marginals have often known what to take and what to leave. A family of unorthodoxies I've called "Type 3" or "Watsonian" anarchism has made major inroads into the traditionalists in recent years. Type 3's, the category of the unclassifiables, enrich their anarchism (or whatever it is) with borrowings from neo-primitivism (or else neo-futurism!), surrealism, situationism, the joke religions (Discordian, Moorish Science, SubGenius), punk culture, dope culture, beer culture and Beat culture. Several years ago the outnumbered workerists launched a hate campaign against Type 3's among others -- lumped or I should say
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: Re: DON'T LET THE FBI REMOVE THIS MESSAGE
"Ronald L. Wilson" wrote: I'm convinced that this government will do ANYTHING to better or perpetuate government workers, politicians and/or the government itself! They couldn't care less about you, me, the constitution, or the law of the land! It's all about money "We no longer have to hunt for our food and other basic necessities of life. But we still have an "economy" where we must accumulate "money" to "purchase" those necessities. We call this the "market." The hunt has been replaced by the rat race for money, but the rat race has now become as obsolete as the hunt. Why can't we accept that?" -- Steve Mizrach The terrocrats, bureaucraps, and impostors who masquerade around calling themselves 'gubbnmint' are wage slaves too. And if any class of wage slaves needs to be forever liberated from wage slavery (via "The RICH Economy" -- RICH means Rising Income through Cybernetic Homeostasis) it is these people, IMO. Aristotle predicted slavery would only be ended when machines could be built that could run themselves. This is what "The RICH Economy" (theorized by Bucky Fuller, Timothy Leary, Robert Anton Wilson, etc.) is all about: using advanced, emerging and future technology to have the machines run themselves, forever liberating ALL wage slaves -- including those who call themselves 'gubbnmint'. "As Bucky Fuller says, the first thought of people, once they are delivered from wage slavery, will be, "What was it that I was so interested in as a youth, before I was told I had to earn a living?" The answer to that question, coming from millions and then billions of persons liberated from mechanical toil, will make the Renaissance look like a high school science fair or a Greenwich Village art show." -- RAW from: Schrödinger's Cat Trilogy by Robert Anton Wilson http://www.whywork.org/rethinking/whywork/galactic.html President Hubbard's first step in establishing The RICH Economy[1] was to offer a prize of $50,000 per year to any worker who could design a machine that would replace him or her. When the primate labor unions raised twenty-three varieties of hell about this plan, Hubbard countered by offering $30,000 a year to all other workers replaced by such a machine. The rank-and-file union people fell into conflict immediately, some accepting this as a fine idea (this group consisting mostly of those earning less than twenty thou per annum), and the leaders still hypnotized by the conditioned and domesticated primate reflex that Employment was Good and Unemployment was Bad. While the unions squabbled among themselves and ceased to present a unified front against the RICH scenario, conservatives mounted a campaign against it on the grounds that it was inflationary. Here Hubbard's political genius showed itself. She made no effort to reason with the intellectual conservatives, who were all theologians in disguise. All corporation heads and other alpha males of the right, however, were invited to a series of White House multimedia presentations on how RICH would work for them. The chief points in these presentations were that: a machine works twenty-four hours a day, not eight -- thereby tripling output immediately machines do not take sick leave machines are never late for work machines do not form unions and constantly ask for higher wages and more fringe benefits machines do not take vacations machines do not harbor grudges and foul up production in sneaky, undetectable ways cybernation was advancing every decade, anyway, despite the opposition of unions, government, and these alpha males; it was better to have huge populations celebrating the reward of $30,000 to $50,000 per year for group cleverness than huge populations suffering the humility of welfare with production rising due to both cybernation and the space-cities, consumers were needed and a society on welfare was a society of very meagre consumers. The alpha males were still fighting among themselves about whether this was "sound" or not when it squeaked through Congress. Within a year the first case of the new multi-inventive leisure class appeared. This was a Cherokee Indian named Starhawk, who had been an engine-lathe worker in Tucson. After designing himself out of that job, Starhawk had gone on to learn four other mechanical factory jobs, designed himself out of each, and now had a guaranteed income of $250,000 a year for these feats. He was now devoting himself to painting in the traditional Cherokee style -- which was what he had always wanted to do, back in adolescence, before he learned that he had to work for a living. The majority of the unemployed, living comfortably on $30,000 a year, admittedly spent most of their time drinking booze, smoking weed, engaging in primate sexual acrobatics, and watching wall TV. When moralists complained that this was a subhuman existence, Hubbard answered, "And what kind of existence did they have doing idiot jobs that machines do better?"[2] Taken from
[CTRL] Fwd: Velikovsky
The follwing was sent to me off-list by the moderator of another list I subscribe to. IMO, many of Velikovsky's theories are well worth pondering; so I've decided to share. Original Message Subject: Velikovsky Date: Tue, 13 Jun 2000 19:08:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Nonconformist Fool [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I read an unpublished work a couple years ago by a friend of one of my brothers, and of course, Mormon. His name is Steve Mark Alvis or something like that. If you're interested, I can call my brother and see whether he still has the files saved somewhere or if the book has finally been published. Among other things, he claims that the geological evidence suggesting the world is much older than 6,000 or 12,000 years can be explained by a theory of catastrophic phenomena built on Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision" and "Ages in Chaos." He claims that the earth and solar system have periodically passed through plasma fields and that the catastrophes associated with this are the source of many myths and ancient religions as well as the geological layering and other scientific anomalies. This is how it works: (supposedly) 1. The earth passes through the plasma field, the atmosphere is compressed at the point of impact sometimes actually exposing the crust to the vacuum of space. (Father sky and Mother Earth metaphors.) 2. The rest of the earth then passes though the plasma field with the "Thunderbolts" striking along the way. 3. The pressure of the plasma on the surface of the earth dislodges the crust from the mantle and it slips around for a while, sometimes latitudinally (explaining such myths as the sun standing still or "reeling to and fro like a drunk man,") and sometimes even longitudinally until it stabilizes again with the ice caps again on the poles (explaining such things as the polar reversals and the legends of Egypt supposedly recording that for a time the sun rose in the west and set in the east.) 4. When the crust slips over the mantle, it superheats the gases in the mantle creating fusion explosions that eject massive burning gobs of mantle out into space (the rising of the Sun Gods, the offspring of Father Sky and Mother Earth. (the destruction of Sodom and Gomorrah, the flaming dragons of the Chinese and their astronomical observations of 10 suns rising into the sky, the Celtic "Wheel of Fortune," a large wooden wheel with spokes lit on fire which they then rolled down a hill to commemorate some legendary event, it goes on and on. In "Last of the Mohicans," the movie (I don't know if it's in the book, admittedly, not the most reliable source material, but I think it's reliable enough) when hawkeye talks about the Mohican myth of creation "At the birth of the sun and of his brother the moon, their mother died, so the Sun gave to the Earth her bodyfrom which was to spring all life, and he drew forth from her breast the stars. And the stars he threw into the night sky...") He claims that there is scientific evidence that suggests the earth was much more massive in the past than it is now, something about evidence that the magnetic field was much stronger or something like that. He claims that the earth has lost about 60% of it's mass over the last 6,000 years. Furthermore, he claims that these ideas came to him by revelation, dreams and visions. Considering the possible holographic nature of the mind and of the universe, I would theorize that at some level, he may have access to a source of knowledge that most people don't have access to. Of course, his religious beliefs have most probably interfered with his interpretation of his dreams and visions. Still, although I'd like to believe he's close to the mark as far as the mechanisms involved, the rapid melting of the ice caps might have been able to distabilize the crust enough to dislodge it, that doesn't jive with the dating of the 10 suns legends of the Chinese or the Egyptian sun rising in the west and setting in the east. Most of the other myths could have originated some 12,000 to 15,000 years ago at the end of the last Ice Age. I had dismissed the idea of a plasma field as improbably until I read this article. Interesting. UNSTABLE SOLAR SYSTEM Much of the emphasis of this book will be on the dynamic and unpredictable roles of planets and moons, when they moved through highly active electrical fields. Planetary motions observed today are not a reliable guide to solar system history. But it seems that over many centuries observational science came increasingly under the spell of a predictable and uneventful planetary arrangement, and now certain questions are rarely if ever asked. How stable is the solar system? Have the planets always moved on their present courses? For many years, a principle called uniformitarianism has ruled the sciences. The principle says
[CTRL] The Slack Revolution
featured essay from: a href="http://www.whywork.org/"CLAWS/a -- Creating Livable Alternatives to Wage Slavery "Someday, there will be no workers, only artists." Bob Black: Abolitionist and Archestrator of the Slack Revolution by Steve Mizrach, aka seeker 1 After all these years, and after reading Bob Black's The Abolition of Work, I have finally realized just what was wrong with Marxism. Oh, the Marxists talked a good game - working in the morning, fishing in the afternoon, lounging around to watch the sunset; 20-hour workweeks; month-long vacations; etc. But when you get down to it, they are still drawing from the same poisoned well that has parched Western civilization for the last 500 years: the Protestant Ethic, which freed Europe from Catholic voodoo only to feed its heads with doodoo, such as "work is the outward sign of moral perfection." While Luther was telling people that what counted was faith and the Holy Spirit, not work and deeds, Calvin helped spread silly ideas, like the one that people had to be at constant physical labor or idleness would tempt them to sin. Deep down, this is the root of the Puritan Ethic: why even today the neo-Puritans hate Hollywood with such passion: they feel that if we are not kept busy with mindless, rote work, then we will be seized by the carnal passions and led to sin. Marxists claim that workers are overexploited. So what is their solution? Have the workers take over the factory to "restore the dignity of work." Make everybody do manual labor, like the Pol Pot regime did in Cambodia and the Incas did in Peru - as Mao said, "let there be no separation between the work of the hands and the work of the mind." Our goal should be to increase production. Deep down Marxists, while despising capitalism, only want to hijack what they see as its main notable achievement, accomplished through the Industrial Revolution: mass production. They do not want to abolish the assembly line, only bring more of us to its trough. Let the elite fat cats sweat with the so-called "working class." Rather than wanting us to all enjoy the life of leisure led by the fat cats, the Marxists' main goal is motivated by envy - they want to force the fat cats to suffer as the "working class" has suffered. I finally saw through the Marxist illusion when I realized the deep-set opposition to automation of mass production. Marx could not have predicted the development of robots, and yet his so-called followers oppose them with tooth and nail. Why should we force people to do machine-like rote work? Why not have machines do the work of machines? Marxists fight automation because they claim it threatens jobs. You remember what "jobs" are, right? They are the things that society tells us we have to work 9 to 5 at and be "productive," right? Marxists deep down view people as units of production. They hate people who refuse to be productive, who will not work, the so-called "lumpenproletariat" who refuse to be a part of anybody's 'productive forces.' Marxists do not have a true liberatory vision. They want to "liberate" the working class from its exploitation by the finance class. But they do not want to liberate everyone. They want to turn us all into "workers." Bakunin, Kropotkin, Proudhon, and other anarcho-syndicalists, libertarian-socialists, and anti-technocrats at the International realized that this was the fatal flaw of Marxism. "Work" as we know it should be abolished - that is, the requirement that all of us "mass produce" things that other people need - and taken over by robot labor. This is the promise of post-industrial society, and yet some Marxists greet it with horror. After all, even capitalist industrialism raised the standard of living of the working class to an incredible degree. Yet, things like nanotechnology and the miniaturization revolution have abolished the fundamental assumptions of Marxism and of economics in general. There will be no more scarcity. More and more can be produced with less and less - of energy, capital, resources, and, yes, human labor as well. People can and always will produce the things they or those they know want with their own hands, or, if they are skilled artisans, the things that others want, but with time, precision, and care. But there will be no more mass production. If you understand Black, Bookchin, Fuller, Henderson, or others, then you know that the industrial revolution is at an end. The Modernist assumption, that the way our lives could improve was through industrialization and urbanization, is at an end.
Re: [CTRL] PROHIBITION *WORKS* (but for whom?)
"Archie Bunker" posted: PROHIBITION DOESN'T WORK: Not for Booze, Not for Drugs Education, Not Prohibition, Is the Answer Kevin Kosar , a Ph.D. candidate in politics at New York University, writes frequently for TomPaine.com. In 1873, the Women's Christian Temperance Union (WCTU) arose from a wave of female uprisings in America's hamlets and small towns and began its crusade against alcohol. And within two years, every pretended 'argument' and fallacy used by these wretched hags and fools to justify their "my shit don't stink" Puritan (a)moral crusade was soundly debunked. Not only were the absurdities of their (a)moral crusade exposed, so were the countless frauds, usurpations, robberies and murders of every *bound-to-fail* prohibition crusade which followed. I say AMORAL because through abandoning genuine moral scruples in favor of moral pretensions, they reveal that they have no morality. And if all these so-called 'christians', who profess to believe in the concept of "original sin" (vice), and that all mankind are "sinners" (have vices) and who need to be "saved" [by the (Sun) of God] -- including themselves -- who among them is "sinless" [has no need to be "saved"]? Who among them can legitimately "cast the first stone"? None of these individual has, or has ever had, the legitimate power and 'right' to define and punish their neighbors' vices -- and to defraud, kidnap, loot, and perhaps even kill their neighbor in exercising that pretended 'right' -- while at the same time claiming exemption from punishment of their own vices. ["Every human being has his or her vices. Nearly all men have a great many. And they are of all kinds; physiological, mental, emotional; religious, social, commercial, industrial, economical, etc.,"] Avarice, power, greed are the blackest of all vices, in that they've caused immeasurably more crimes and sufferings than all the drunkenness, highs, and paid-for organisms throughout history combined; these three vices have been at the root of the greatest of all crimes: WAR. And how could a group of individuals legitimately possess any such 'right' that none of them possessed as *individuals*? Since they could not contribute, or delegate, to the group any (pretended) 'right' which they did not themselves possess, vice Prohibition, in all it's form and color, has *always* been an illegitimate usurpation -- a massive terrocratic CRIME SPREE masquerading around as "justice" (so-called). It's a crime spree to the extent that, in enforcing vice prohibition, those who've committed no crime against another's person or possessions but, at most, may have committed a "prohibited" 'vice' against themselves, (or helped someone commit a "prohibited" 'vice' against themselves), often become victims of *real* crimes and injustices carried on in the name of "morality": they're defrauded (via colorable 'authority'), forcibly detained (forced to sign a summons) or kidnapped (arrested, sometimes imprisoned) and held for ransom (bail), robbed (fines, fees, "evidence", etc., are confiscated), and perhaps even killed (murdered), in the course of defending oneself. Since all this force and fraud perpetrated against all these individuals, who've committed no crime against another's person or possessions but, at most, may have committed a "prohibited" 'vice' against themselves, (or helped someone commit a "prohibited" 'vice' against themselves), has always been illigitimate, these acts are truly CRIMINAL. "Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim -- when he defends himself -- as a criminal." -- Frederic Bastiat, The Law "If those persons, who fancy themselves gifted with both the power and the right to define and punish other men's vices, would but turn their thoughts inwardly, they would probably find that they have a great work to do at home; and that, when that shall have been completed, they will be little disposed to do more towards correcting the vices of others, than simply to give to others the results of their experience and observation. In this sphere their labors may possibly be useful; but, in the sphere of infallibility and coercion, they will probably, for well-known reasons, meet with even less success in the future than such men have met with in the past." -- Lysander Spooner, Vices Are Not Crimes http://www.geocities.com/golwis/vices.html (1875) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said,
[CTRL] American Beauty [ The RICH Economy]
"Robert F. Tatman" wrote: C'mon, Kris, gimme a break! "American Beauty" is pure trash --nothing more than Hollywood calculating the lowest common denominator Consider the following ideas by Robert Anton Wilson and R. Buckminster Fuller (in reference to The RICH Economy). IMO, they make this "lowest common denominator" factor that Kevin Spacey went through in American Beauty, that seems to piss you off so much, make perfect sense. First, as RAW puts it: there is only so much fucking, smoking dope, and watching TV one can handle before they get bored and want to *do* something. And (to quote RAW again): "As Bucky Fuller says, the first thought of people, once they are delivered from wage slavery, will be, "What was it that I was so interested in as a youth, before I was told I had to earn a living?" The answer to that question, coming from millions and then billions of persons liberated from mechanical toil, will make the Renaissance look like a high school science fair or a Greenwich Village art show". In other words, after Kevin Spacey was "liberated from wage slavery" (with a guaranteed income of 60k, just as will *everyone* in The RICH Economy), he fell into all this vice that the "holier then thou", "my shit don't stink", morality police are always freaking out about. To quote Steve Mizrach: "Ultimately, there will be opponents of the abolition of work. They are the Puritans and Calvinists who have waged war on freedom in the name of the "Protestant Work Ethic," because leisure allows the imagination to roam, the mind to question authority, and the self to contemplate true pleasure. These are things that the Puritans hate, fear, and try to destroy - such as they sought to ban dramatic theatre, carnivals, festivals, and holidays in Britain under their dour and repressive regime. They only want us to have one day out of seven where we can rest, and that day is to be filled with the requirements of "prayer" and obedience to their taskmaster deity. Why not seven out of seven? There is nothing dignified about work for its own sake, nothing in it that contributes to the body or to the spirit. Creation is what human existence is all about - the making of new things. Not the constant remaking of the old: the mediocrity and the bottom line and the common denominator of mass production." [1] So basically he began smoking dope again; he wanted to bone the cheerleader again (and began working out in hopes that he one day would); and curiously, he also took a lowly wage slave position in a burger joint that most 'respectable' people his age wouldn't consider accepting, even if they were about homeless and starving. Why did he take this seemingly degrading wage slave position almost as soon as he was liberated from wage slavery? He didn't *need* the 'money'. I'm sure he didn't need the stares and glares of customers who must have wondered why someone of his age and seeming intelligence was working there, and so on, and so forth. (True he was stoned when he applied, but if that was the only reason, he would have quit when the high wore off. Something else kept him there). IMO, he became a burger-flipping wage slave because he was attempting to get back into that mind-set he had before he was 'forced' to "grow up", "get a real job" and "keep up with the Jones'" (i.e., "notice that the colors of my wife's clogs, and the handle of cutters match -- this was no accident"). Remember when he was getting stoned for the first time in decades, and he told his cannabis-loving neighbor: when I was your age, all I did that summer was flip burgers, get stoned, and get laid. That's why he took that lowly wage slave job again. Yet as RAW bluntly puts it: there is only so much fucking, smoking dope, and watching TV one can handle before they get bored and want to *do* something. I wonder what Spacey would have done (if he wasn't murdered), after he finally did get bored? [When he *didn't* bone the cheerleader because she was a virgin (what was that about "lowest common denominator" again?), it seems he was starting to get "bored"]. In case you don't know what The RICH Economy is, here's a brief introduction to the theory "our beleaguered Kris" posted to the list a while back (and there is more info on the web) [2]: Original Message Subject: [CTRL] ::: The RICH Economy ::: Date: Wed, 9 Sep 1998 11:30:23 EDT From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -Caveat Lector- from alt.conspiracy - As always, Caveat Lector. Om K - A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:415496"::: The RICH Economy :::/A - Subject: ::: The RICH Economy ::: From: Dan Clore [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, Sep 3, 1998 5:19 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] The RICH Economy by Robert Anton Wilson from The Illuminati Papers If there is one proposition which currently wins the assent of nearly everybody, it is that we need more jobs. "A cure for unemployment" is promised, or earnestly sought, by every Heavy
Re: [CTRL] The Sold-Out Media
Kris Millegan wrote: from:alt.conspiracy As, always, Caveat Lector Om K - Click Here: A HREF="aol://5863:126/alt.conspiracy:617230"The Sold-Out Media/A - Subject: The Sold-Out Media From: Freedom Project A HREF="mailto:Use-Author-Address-Header@[127.1]"Use-A uthor-Address-Header@[127.1]/A Date: Tue, May 23, 2000 11:36 AM Message-id: [EMAIL PROTECTED] posted by: "Tom Keske" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Much interesting info snipped. In fact, I agreed with everything except the conclusion: The proper perspective is that of the young Army idealist in "Saving Private Ryan" who at first fussed about the proper ethics and rules for handling prisoners-of-war. By the end, after enough brutal reality, he shoots a German prisoner just for failing to jump and move when he ordered him to move. It wasn't so much a matter of his being "corrupted"- it was a matter of him seeing a brutal situation, more realistically. Actually the nazi he shot at the end was the same one he "fussed about", and caused to be let go (on the condition that he turns himself in to the next Allied troops he encounters, and under no circumstances re-join a nazi unit). He sees this same guy, who should be a prisoner of war, not only "recycled" and fighting with the SS (as feared), but actually shoot/kill Tom Hank's character. *That's* why "the young Army idealist" shot the bastard; not for "failing to jump and move when he ordered him to move", as implied. Good thing he shot him too; because if the other American solider from the idealist's unit who survived -- the one who was going to go AWOL in protest of letting the nazi prisoner go the first time -- if he would've seen this same prisoner at the end of the battle, he would probally have shot not only the nazi, but the "young Army idealist" to boot -- especially if he ever found out he was the one who killed the capt'n. This is a war that we are in. Tom Keske Boston, Mass. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] J. Edgar Hoover Shocker?/ Worker owners of the means of
nessie wrote:
But it isn't money that brings us these things,
it is each other's labor.
"Ask yourself why it was that depressions happened. All that
went missing from the community was the money to buy goods
and services. The labor was still available. The work to be
done was still there. The materials had not disappeared, and
the goods were readily available in the shops, or could be
produced but for the want of money." [Then along comes a
world war and the 'money' supply is endless. From the House
Banking and Currency Committee; September 30, 1941]:
CONgressman Wright Patman: "Mr. Eccles [Chairman of the
Federale 'Reserve' Board], how did you get the money to buy
those two billion of government securities?"
Eccles: "We *created* it."
CONgressman Patman: "Out of what?"
Eccles: "Out of the 'right' to issue *credit* 'money'."
"If the Nation can issue a dollar bond it can issue a dollar
bill. The element that makes the bond good makes the bill
good also. The difference between the bond and the bill is
that the bond lets the money broker collect twice the amount
of the bond and an additional 20%. Whereas the currency, the
honest sort provided by the Constitution, pays nobody but
those who contribute in some useful way. It is absurd to say
our Country can issue bonds and cannot issue currency. Both
are promises to pay, but one fattens the usurer and the
other helps the People." -- Thomas Edison
As far as usury goes, Aristotle taught that "only living
things could bear fruit. Money, not a living thing, was by
its nature barren, and any attempt to make it bear fruit
(tokos, in Greek, the same word used for interest) was a
*crime* against nature." And as for the supply of 'money'
being endless during war, and scarce during depression, it's
because: "The Rothschilds and that class of money-lenders of
whom they are representatives and agents -- the men who never
think of lending a shilling to next-door neighbors, for the
purpose of honest industry, unless upon the most ample
security, and at the highest rate of interest -- stand ready
at all times to lend money in unlimited amounts to robbers and
murderers who call themselves government And why are these
men so ready to lend money for murdering their fellow men?
Solely for this reason, viz., that such loans are considered
better investments than loans for purposes of honest industry.
They pay higher rates of interest; it's less trouble to look
after them. This is the whole matter." [1]
While debunkers like Flaherty admit the federale 'reserve'
pays only the printing cost (3-5 cents per note), and charges
the gubbnmint not only face values of the note (whether it be
$1, or $1,000), but charges interest as well, they are quick
point out that it is now required to give back much of these
profits to the gubbnmint treasury each year. Considering that
they've been using "credit money", ('created' by entries to
their legders) for at least 60 years and, even more dastardly
and shameful, as J2 pointed out, *intentionally* keeping
unemployment/underemployment at 10%, these banksters and
blood-money loan-mongers (SB, etc.) are criminals of the
highest order.
"This business of lending blood-money is one of the most
thoroughly sordid, cold- blooded, and criminal that was ever
carried on, to any considerable extent, amongst human beings.
It is like lending money to slave traders, or to common
robbers and pirates, to be repaid out of their plunder. And
the men who loan money to governments, so called, for the
purpose of enabling the latter to rob, enslave, and murder the
people, are among the greatest villains that the world has
ever seen. And they as much deserve to be hunted and killed
(if they cannot otherwise be got rid of) as any slave traders,
robbers, or pirates that ever lived." [2]
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I Want The Earth Plus 5%
The truth about money, credit and the deficit
http://health.microworld.com/html/plus_5_.html
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In every community there has always been work to be done,
people willing to to do the work, materials for the work, and
goods/services in the shops and stores. Everything each
community has needed to prosper has always been there.
Supposedly 'money' (and what we're passing off today as
'money') is what brings us the "fruit" of these things. But
since it also serves to provide endless opportunities for
unscrupulous power-mongers to create depressions and
wars in order to further their own wealth and aggrandizement,
has *their* 'money' been worth the price?
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The Money Myth Exploded - The financial enigma resolved
A debt money system; by Louis Even
http://www.prolognet.qc.ca/clyde/money.htm
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And why has the federale 'reserve' and gubbnmint been keen to
keep unemployment/underemployment at a permanent rate of
around 10%? Because it allows the Grunches to offer the lowest
possible wages to their wage slaves, and gives the gubbnmint
terrocrats a permanent class of petty criminals (and gubbnmint
bureaucraps a permanent class of dependents)
[CTRL] EO's and emergency powers
Part 3: Statutes of Doom James L. Hirsen, J.D., Ph.D. November 16, 1999 The subject of emergency powers is not often discussed in newspapers, magazine publications, or even in public hearings in Washington, D.C. When this topic is brought up, for example, in the Iran Contra Hearings of 1987 or the Y2K Hearings of 1998, only obtuse and limited reference to any substantive content material is allowed. This is because documents relating to this area are almost always classified. To complicate matters, there are so many layers of statutes and executive orders surrounding the area of emergency powers that misconceptions abound. Some of the legal instruments involved revoke prior ones, and some absorb the content of others, so the confusion just seems to multiply. In 1933, at the request of President Franklin Roosevelt, the U.S. Congress passed the War and Emergency Powers Act. The act has never been repealed. This legislation was an amendment to the Trading with the Enemies Act that was originally passed by Congress in 1917. Due to the circumstances surrounding World War I, the president was granted full control over citizens of enemy countries, along with their property, who were living or working in this country. This act expressly excluded transactions being conducted domestically by American citizens. However, through the 1933 amendment to the 1917 Act, citizens were reclassified so as to be included within the "enemy" category. Numerous other statutes have been used to delegate emergency powers to the president. For example, in 1971 President Nixon declared an emergency because of the growing discrepancy in our federal balance of payments. He disconnected the value of the dollar from the gold standard, levied a surtax on imports, and froze domestic prices for 90 days. Once again, the situation clearly showed a president pushing the limits of constitutional power. In 1974 a special committee reported to Congress that there were some 470 provisions in federal law delegating special emergency authority to the executive branch. Still in effect were executive orders from Presidents Franklin Roosevelt, Truman, and Nixon that placed the nation in a state of emergency. Most Americans surely would have been surprised to discover that the nation had been in a state of declared national emergency since March 9, 1933. Two important acts further delegated emergency power to the executive branch. The National Emergencies Act of 1976 terminated any existing declarations of national emergency effective September 14, 1978. The International Emergency Economic Powers Act of 1977 gave the president certain emergency powers to contend with the world economy. Today Americans may again be stunned to find out that the current president has declared more national emergencies than any other president in history, 14 to date, and that we continue to live in a state of declared national emergency. Why, one might ask, is this a danger? Well, in 1994 President Clinton signed an executive order that consolidated and subsumed powers that had been set forth in a number of executive orders issued by his predecessors. If one were to follow the genealogy of executive orders, the origin of this particular set of orders can be traced to a collection of ominous orders issued by John F. Kennedy in 1962 that dealt with emergency powers. The Kennedy orders were stark and obvious in their explicit clarity with regard to what they empowered the president and others in his administration to do in an emergency situation. The executive orders allowed the president and others in his administration to take over all of the media, all power and energy sources, all farms and food distribution channels including retail stores, all transportation, all labor, all hospitals and all medical care. They enabled the authorities to impose national registration, relocate populations, reallocate housing, and appropriate jobs. In short, these executive orders allowed the president and his administrative officials to suspend the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. A report by the Congressional Research Service states a president, using these emergency powers, could "seize property, organize and control the means of production, seize commodities, assign military forces abroad, institute martial law, seize and control all transportation and communication, regulate the operation of private enterprise, restrict travel, and, in a variety of ways, control the lives of United States citizens." The danger of these executive orders is staggering, because they empower a single individual with this type of authority in the first place and because they essentially sidestep the Constitution. These powers have only multiplied over the years and reside in a most concentrated manner in the present administration.
Re: [CTRL] 10 Reasons To Legalize ALL Drugs
Several years ago I posted these numbers on the Extropian list and got reamed for posting 'sloppy research' and 'libertarian propaganda'. One comment that stuck out over all this time was that, "stats are often used like drunks use lampposts -- for support rather the illumination". Kris Millegan wrote: 0 from marijuana As with most entheogens (shrooms, peyote, LSD, etc). 6,000 from illegal drugs, one-third of those from adulterants. Caused by non-entheogens (heroin, cocaine, etc) 400,000 tobacco So says the National Cancer Institute's propaganda in their "Nazi War on Smoking". 150,000 alcohol ? ? indeed... 100,000 prescription medication? The book "Deadly Medicine: Why tens of thousands of heart patients died in America's worst drug disaster" by Thomas J. Moore, "tell the dramatic story of the greatest tragedy involving a class of drugs still on the market. It reveals why the same medical system that brings lifesaving treatments can create catastrophe beyond imagining." The book's prologue claims: "This book tells the story of America's worst medical disaster. Over just a few years, an estimated 50,000 people died from taking drugs intended to prevent cardiac arrest. After hundreds of thousands of patients took these drugs, a definitive medical experiment proved that they did not prevent cardiac arrest as doctors had believed. Instead the drug *caused* cardiac arrest. Often the effect was so sudden and unexpected that people literally dropped dead while going about their normal lives. The result of this single medical misjudgment about the properties of these drugs produced a death toll larger then the United States' combat losses in wars such as Korea and Vietnam. If one were to total the deaths from every commercial airplane crash in the history of the US aviation, the sum would not approach the number of deaths from this episode." While the book's dust cover reads: "The story begins with a new heart drug created by the research labs of the 3M company. In animals this drug appears usually effective in suppressing irregular heartbeats. Hoping for a blockbuster, 3M launches clinical tests and plans how to seize the market from competing companies. But as the medical researchers test Tambocor, as the drug is called, the first signs of trouble appear. At Stanford University, a doctor warns that this type of drug could be dangerous. Other experiments fail to demonstrate the effective benefits of such drugs. But with support of clinical doctors and millions invested in Tambocor, 3M moves ahead and seeks approval from the FDA. Other companies follow suit with similar drugs. "Questions about the safety of Tambocor have already reached the medical review staff at the FDA in Washington D.C., where a behind the scenes drama takes place. 3M presses for approval of Tambocor, while the FDA tries to interpret the meaning of reports that some patients who have taken the drug suddenly drop dead. Without a green light from the FDA, Tambocor may be doomed. "The final chapter in this story unfolds as 3M gets to the market place, and using all the skills of a modern pharmaceutical manufacturer, persuades doctors to use Tambocor. At the same time, an important clinical trial begins. The National institute of Health launch an experiment with more then a thousand patients to measure the benefits of Tambocor and two similar drugs. The shocking results of that study -- and the response of doctors and companies who promoted these drugs -- bring the tragedy to a powerful conclusion. "Deadly Medicine is a human story about the brilliant and driven doctors who worked on Tambocor and similar heart drugs -- at pharmaceutical companies, within the FDA, and at university medical research centers. It provides a vivid and disturbing account of the system by which drugs are discovered, tested and marketed to doctors. Through the tragic story of how tens of thousands of patients died prematurely from one class of heart drugs, Deadly Medicine also exposes major flaws in the system." A few snippets from the book: "13,445 deaths occurred in New York state in one year due to medical mistakes in hospitals medical mistakes in United States hospitals kill 168,000 persons each year. Once again, this figure is an order of magnitude -- an approximation for a range of 150,000 to 200,000 death each year. That makes medical mistakes of doctors and hospitals the nation's third largest cause of death, surpassed only by heart disease and cancer, and exceeding stroke." p.231 "Temple, perhaps the only one to appreciate how many patients died through the inappropriate use of antiarrhythmic drugs, got angry. "'one of the impressions I kept getting is that the enormous magnitude of what we are seeing here is not appreciated,' temple said. 'This is, in fact, bigger then anything we have encountered in a mortality trial except AZT." (the 'AIDS' drug) p.254
Re: [CTRL] Genesis of the Civil War
"Samantha L." wrote: Thank you for this post. Having never looked into alternative views of the Civil War myself, I did always wonder why - if slavery had been the defining issue - that other means weren't taken to emancipate the slaves besides the bloody, horrid war. A few years after the war, the abolitionist/legal theorist Lysander Spooner wrote his "No Treason" series, which exposed the real motives for the war. (Spooner was from Boston, so his observations can't simply be dismissed as 'Southern propaganda'). His concluding chapter states: "Notwithstanding all this, that we had learned, and known, and professed, for nearly a century, these lenders of blood money had, for a long series of years previous to the war, been the willing accomplices of the slave-holders in perverting the government from the purposes of liberty and justice, to the greatest of crimes. They had been such accomplices for a purely pecuniary consideration, to wit, a control of the markets in the South; in other words, the privilege of holding the slave-holders themselves in industrial and commercial subjection to the manufacturers and merchants of the North (who afterwards furnished the money for the war). And these Northern merchants and manufacturers, these lenders of blood-money, were willing to continue to be the accomplices of the slave-holders in the future, for the same pecuniary considerations. But the slave-holders, either doubting the fidelity of their Northern allies, or feeling themselves strong enough to keep their slaves in subjection without Northern assistance, would no longer pay the price which these Northern men demanded. And it was to enforce this price in the future -- that is, to monopolize the Southern markets, to maintain their industrial and commercial control over the South---that these Northern manufacturers and merchants lent some of the profits of their former monopolies for the war, in order to secure to themselves the same, or greater, monopolies in the future. These---and not any love of liberty or justice---were the motives on which the money for the war was lent by the North. In short, the North said to the slave-holders: If you will not pay us our price (give us control of your markets) for our assistance against your slaves, we will secure the same price (keep control of your markets) by helping your slaves against you, and using them as our tools for maintaining dominion over you; for the control of your markets we will have, whether the tools we use for that purpose be black or white, and be the cost, in blood and money, what it may. "On this principle, and from this motive, and not from any love of liberty, or justice, the money was lent in enormous amounts, and at enormous rates of interest. And it was only by means of these loans that the objects of the war were accomplished. "And now these lenders of blood-money demand their pay; and the government, so called, becomes their tool, their servile, slavish, villanous tool, to extort it from the labor of the enslaved people both of the North and South. It is to be extorted by every form of direct, and indirect, and unequal taxation. Not only the nominal debt and interest---enormous as the latter was---are to be paid in full; but these holders of the debt are to be paid still further---and perhaps doubly, triply, or quadruply paid---by such tariffs on imports as will enable our home manufacturers to realize enormous prices for their commodities; also by such monopolies in banking as will enable them to keep control of, and thus enslave and plunder, the industry and trade of the great body of the Northern people themselves. In short, the industrial and commercial slavery of the great body of the people, North and South, black and white, is the price which these lenders of blood money demand, and insist upon, and are determined to secure, in return for the money lent for the war. "This programme having been fully arranged and systematized, they put their sword into the hands of the chief murderer of the war, [undoubtedly a reference to General Grant, who had just become president] and charge him to carry their scheme into effect. And now he, speaking as their organ, says, "let us have peace." "The meaning of this is: Submit quietly to all the robbery and slavery wefs have arranged for you, and you can have "peace." But in case you resist, the same lenders of blood-money, who furnished the means to subdue the South, will furnish the means again to subdue you. These are the terms on which alone this government, or, with few exceptions, any other, ever gives "peace" to its people. "The whole affair, on the part of those who furnished the money, has been, and now is, a deliberate scheme of robbery and murder; not merely to monopolize the markets of the South, but also to monopolize the currency, and thus control the industry and trade, and thus plunder and enslave the laborers, of both
Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote
Nurev Ind Research wrote: You may be right, but if your saying there is no democratic solution, who should rule? Joshua2 As Robert Pirsig put it in his book, Zen and the Art of Motorcycle Maintenance: "But to tear down a factory or to revolt against a government... is to attack effects rather than causes; and as long as the attack is upon effects only, no change is possible. The true system, the real system, is our present construction of systematic thought itself, rationality itself. And if a factory is torn down but the rationality which produced it is left standing, then that rationality will simply produce another factory. If a revolution destroys a systematic government, but the systematic patterns of thought that produced that government are left intact, then those patterns will repeat themselves in the succeeding government..." A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Flat Universe Missing its Matter
"Robert F. Tatman" wrote: Making matters worse, just last month scientists used a completely different method to produce the best evidence ever confirming that the universe is indeed flat. They used measurements of the microwave afterglow of the Big Bang - the theoretical creation of the universe. from: THOTH A Catastrophics Newsletter VOL IV, No 8 April 30, 2000 SCIENCE HEADED FOR A BIG BANG By Wal Thornhill Forget the glossy astronomy books and magazines - the Big Bang is pure fiction. The discoveries that prove it will also bring about the end of science-as-we-know-it. Of course, many books and articles have been published recently heralding the end of science - meaning there is little left to learn. The truth is the opposite. Much of what we think we know "ain't so". As always, unlearning it will give us more trouble than learning something new. The belief of scientists in their cleverly concocted creation story, the Big Bang, has become so entrenched and over-hyped that it is difficult to imagine an effective face-saving strategy when the news leaks out that it is nonsense. And let there be no doubt about it, the hard science to prove the case against the Big Bang has been done by an astronomer who is uniquely well placed for the task. [Ed note: see this article with photos and diagrams at Thornhill's website: http://www.holoscience.com/news/science_bang.htm His name is Halton Arp, known for his classic work in "Arp's Atlas of Peculiar Galaxies". When he began to announce findings nearly 30 years ago that contradicted orthodox cosmology he was refused telescope time and publication in the standard journals. In frustration he published two books, the first in 1987 titled "Quasars, Redshifts and Controversies", and more recently "Seeing Red". "Redshift" is the term used to describe the shift in frequency of spectral lines toward the red end of the spectrum. It's known to occur when an object is speeding away from us. Edwin Hubble discovered that the luminosity of a galaxy is related to its redshift: the fainter the galaxy, the higher the redshift. He suggested one interpretation of this data is that the greater the redshift (and therefore, the velocity), the farther away the galaxy. Thus, the expanding universe was born. But he was careful not to assume that this was the only possible interpretation of the redshift data. Others since have thrown scientific caution to the winds and used Hubble's hypothesis as a rubbery yardstick with which to measure the size and age of the universe. Arp avoided this unscientific approach and made discoveries that are unequalled in the history of astronomy. Many peculiar galaxies turn out to be what are known as active galaxies. They are often seen to have thin jets of matter firing from their cores, and bridges of matter or radio lobes connecting them with nearby objects. Arp noticed that quasars are clustered in the sky with active galaxies far too often to be a coincidence. Quasars are faint starlike objects whose spectra are highly redshifted. The Big Bang view is that their redshifts are due to the expansion of the universe and the doppler effect as the quasars race away from us at a good fraction of light speed. A high redshift equates in that model to great distance so they should have no association with much closer galaxies. Yet Arp showed that some quasars are connected by bridges or jets of matter to active galaxies. Since the advent of orbiting x-ray telescopes these bridges are becoming abundantly clear. But now we come to the results of Arp's work that will shake the foundations of modern physics. He found that quasars lined up on either side of active galaxies as if they are spat out at regular intervals from the galactic cores, above and below the plane of the galaxy. He then found that the redshifts of these quasars fall back toward normal levels and increase in brightness the further they are from the parent galaxy. In other words, the redshift is a measure of the age of the quasar. Also, the quasars slow down as if they are increasing in mass. Even more shocking was Arp's discovery that quasar redshifts are quantised! IF SCIENCE WORKED AS ADVERTISED, THIS SHOULD BE BANNER HEADLINE NEWS! This raises the specter that our highly prized physics is way off the beam; that we do not understand such fundamental concepts as mass and gravity, nor the real meaning of quantum theory. So our university libraries and bookshops are crammed with science fiction. Nothing short of the biggest conceptual revolution in history will redress the situation. But universities are not in the business of fostering revolutions and the media seems incapable of exposing their nonsense. Based on his experiences Arp wrote, "Investigative journalism so far as science is concerned is dead in the water." He believes that with such a broken-down way of doing and reporting science, breakthroughs must come from individuals outside academia. It is happening. The
Re: [CTRL] Big Bizness Wants YOU to Vote
"As all voting is secret (by secret ballot), and as all secret governments are necessarily only secret bands of robbers, tyrants, and murderers, the general fact that our government is practically carried on by means of such voting, only proves that there is among us a secret band of robbers, tyrants, and murderers, whose purpose is to rob, enslave, and, so far as necessary to accomplish their purposes, murder, the rest of the people." -- Lysander Spooner, No Treason, No. VI nessie wrote: When the boards of directors of the corporations can be elected by the public at large, then and only then will we be on our way to real democracy. What do you mean by "real democracy"? This thing we have now is a fraud and a sham. What's the difference between allowing the masses to vote for hucksters in CONgress, or allowing them to vote for the scoundrels on the board of directors of the Grunches? It would still be a fraud and a sham: a 'choice' between *their* candidates. The tens of millions who perished (under "state-monopoly capitalism") in the Soviet Union had the 'right' to vote too, you know. "Doubtless the most miserable of men, under the most oppressive government in the world, if allowed the ballot, would use it, if they could see any chance of thereby meliorating their condition. But it would not, therefore, be a legitimate inference that the government itself, that crushes them, was one which they had voluntarily set up, or even consented to." -- Lysander Spooner (ibid) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Who has More Rights?
"Samantha L." wrote: I just learned recently that the Supremes upheld a public high school's right to conduct suspicionless random urinalysis tests on its athletes. (Verona v. ?) I think it was '95 or '96. Vernonia School Dist. 47J v. Acton, ___ U.S. ___ (1995) http://laws.findlaw.com/us/000/u10263.html It wasn't "suspicionless random urinalysis tests", it was a blanket search of all athletes in order to play on the team. The lower court said NO due to the 4th ammendment right of citizens to to be free from searches without probable cause. As they rightly should have The Supremes' argument was that an athlete has a lower expectation of privacy than a non-athlete because he/she is accustomed to communal showers. How's that for an intelligent argument? There were other issues argued, such as the students being minors (non sui juris), and not possessing full legal 'protections'. The main argument, if I remember correctly (it been about 4 years since I read these drug testing opinions) was that the testing was allowed on the principle of consideration -- a quid pro quo where extracurricular activities, such as sports, were considered a privilege, and in return for that privilege, they had 'play ball', so to speak, and voluntarily acquiesce to the piss test. IMO, since there is no consideration in this case, the mandatory testing scheme will be struck down (see especially O'Connor's dissent in Vernonia v. Acton, which was *well* worth the read, especially when she broke out Cuddihy and ranted about the history of the Fourth; Steven and Souter joined in her dissent). It doesn't really matter anyway; once they get out of 'publik skool' many will find that the Fourth doesn't apply in contractual situations with employers, and will eventually have the degrading experience of peeing in a cup in order to earn their daily bread. A little town in Texas has recently instituted mandatory urinalysis of all students in grades 6-12. One dad is challenging it and has refused to allow his 12 year old son to be tested. The boy receives the same punishment from the school as if he tested positive, and will continue to receive escalating punishments for every month he continues to refuse, as if he tested positive each time. Linda Minor posted an article from FindLaw on this case a few weeks ago, (after she returned from her hiatus). You might want to check the archives; it was worth the read. Some further food for thought: "Experience should teach us to be most on our guard to protect liberty when the government's purposes are beneficent. Men born to freedom are naturally alert to repel invasion of their liberty by evil-minded rulers. The greatest dangers to liberty lurk in insidious encroachment by men of zeal, well-meaning but without understanding." Olmstead v. United States, 277 US 438 at 479, 72 L.Ed. 944, 48 S Ct 564, 66 ALR 376 (1928), Brandeis dissenting. Quoted by Scalia, with whom Stevens joins, dissenting in Nat'l Treas. Emp. Union v. Von Raab, 489 US 656, 103 L Ed 2d 685, 109 S Ct 1384 (1989). (Drug testing for Customs agents) "There is no drug exception to the Constitution, any more than there is a communism exception or an exception for other real or imagined sources of domestic unrest. Coolidge v. New Hampshire, 403 US 443, 455, 29 L Ed. 2d 564, 91 S.Ct. 2022 (1971)" Skinner v. Railway Labor Exec. Assn. (1989), 489 US 602 at 641; 103 L Ed. 2d 639, 109 S Ct. 1402. Justices Marshall Brennan dissenting. (Drug testing for railway workers) "There are few activities in our society more personal or private than the passing of urine. Most people describe it by euphemisms if they talk about it at all. It is a function traditionally performed without public observation; indeed, it's performance in public is generally prohibited by law as well as social custom'." National Treasury Employees Union v. Von Raab, 816 F 2d 170, 175 (1987). -- IMO, piss testing without reasonable suspicion is degrading, perverted, immoral, and in violation of all principles of natural rights and justice. Further, roughly 5-10% of the population have 'shy bladders' and find it difficult to pee in public. It's especially difficult to pee in a cup when there is someone breathing down our backs or, even worse, gazing directly upon the family jewels until the cup is full; so we are often subject to further harassment, indignities, insults and abuse. And it's not as if we didn't have to take a leak to begin with! It's just for some strange reason as soon as the pants are dropped, and the cup is raised, the urge vanishes. We're told to "drink more water" (until we nearly puke), "think about baseball", "picture the ocean, or a waterfall", "run in place", "run some hot water on you hands", etc., and of course constantly grilled on "why'd you come in here when you didn't have to pee; you said you had to pee before we came in here". We're forced into the degrading position of standing there half nude being
Re: [CTRL] L-Soft archive [was: KRIS, URGENT!! OBSCENE...
Kris Millegan wrote: I dunna know which archives you visit and how, but both the lsoft and the mail archive site collect, store and retrive attached files. That's odd; perhaps I'm a bumbling fool when it comes to computers (which is certainly likely), or maybe I'm extremely unlucky, but since Linda began the archive at L-Soft I've never been able to open a single attachment. I've tried on more occasions than I care to remember, and have used at least half a dozen different browsers over that time. For example, here's a random L-Soft page with an attachment: Fwd: Ayn Rand's Federal Reserve http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind0004dL=ctrlF=S=P=16703 as usual, the attached file failed to open for me, even after using three different browsers, on two separate occasions: Opera 3.62 (which I usually use) had a pop-up stating: The type of file you just tried to open is unknown to Opera. Choose a program to show the file; save the file or cancel the transfer. Type: message/rfc822 Netscape Communicator 4.7 (which I use for e-mail) pretends to transfer the data and load the page, but the attachments never actually load. If I try to open it in a separate window, I get a blank page. Explorer 5.0 has a pop-up stating "Internet Explorer cannot open the Internet site mhtml:http://home.ease.lsoft.com/scripts/... =messsage/rfc822 Could not complete the operation due to error 800c0011." This is typical of what happens. Any ideas what I might try? Or have any of you ever had similar problems opening attachments at L-Soft? == NOTE: Trying one last time before sending this message, I was able to open the attachment with the Opera browser (as it turns out, the solution was staring me in the face all along), but still no luck with Navigator or Explorer. Perhaps I'm just a 'lone nut' with his newbie head up his computer illiterate ass. Anyone else out there having trouble opening the above attachment with Netscape or Explorer? A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Christian Duty Under Corrupt Government
nessie wrote: We're being colonized. Anybody who has read history knows what happens when Christians colonize your land. Pretty soon it's not your land any more and you are dead or a slave. As Archbishop Desmond Tutu explained, When the missionaries came to Africa they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, "Let us pray." We closed our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land. -- Peter McWilliams http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/403a.htm "What profit has not that fable of Christ brought us!" -- Pope Leo X A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] KRIS, URGENT!! OBSCENE PICTURE POSTED ON LIST
Kris Millegan wrote: You wish me to vette the archives? It was an attachment, and attachments aren't archived at l-soft anyway. [This is also another good reason to consider sending fwd text messages to CTRL in an 'inline' format, or copy/paste them on to a fresh e-mail pad, instead of sending them as attachments. Many a meg of worthwhile research in the l-soft archives has been automatically 'vetted' because of this.] A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Jane Fonda Says Pro-Life People are Hypocrites -NOPOST
Kris Millegan wrote: I don't really care and this is not the list for this discussion. You had been asked. And I ain't got time for this bs. Not only time... considering the 144+ megs of disk space at l-soft, costing you about 120FRN a month (if I remember correctly), who can blame you? And how many tens of megs in the CTRL archive have been squandered on off-topic crap as this? Odd how the most profound conspiracies posted to CTRL seem to "wither on the vine" so to speak, and seem to fade away with little or no comment, while the BS, non-conspiracy releted threads like "Jane Fonda Says Pro-Life People are Hypocrites", and other "Battling Bickersons BS", as you aptly call it, seem to run on forever. As far as the "Battling Bickersons BS" threads that seem to run on forever goes, IMO this re-post seems to sum it up well: -- Question: How many [CTRL] posts does it take to change a light bulb? Answer: 1,331: 1 to change the light bulb and to post to the mail list that the light bulb has been changed; 14 to share similar experiences of changing light bulbs and how the light bulb could have been changed differently; 7 to caution about the dangers of changing light bulbs; 27 to point out spelling / grammar errors in posts about changing light bulbs; 53 to flame the spell checkers; 156 to write to the list administrator complaining about the light bulb discussion and its inappropriateness to this mail list; 41 to correct spelling in the spelling/grammar flames; 109 to post that this list is not about light bulbs and to please take this email exchange to alt.lite.bulb; 203 to demand that cross posting to alt.grammar, alt.spelling and alt.punctuation about changing light bulbs be stopped; 111 to defend the posting to this list saying that we all use light bulbs and therefore the posts _are_ relevant to this mail list; 306 to debate which method of changing light bulbs is superior, where to buy the best light bulbs, what brand of light bulbs work best for this technique, and what brands are faulty; 27 to post URLs where one can see examples of different light bulbs; 14 to post that the URLs were posted incorrectly, and to post corrected URLs; 3 to post about links they found from the URLs that are relevant to this list which makes light bulbs relevant to this list; 33 to concatenate all posts to date, then quote them including all headers and footers, and then add "Me Too"; 12 to post to the list that they are unsubscribing because they cannot handle the light bulb controversy; 19 to quote the "Me Too's" to say, "Me Three"; 4 to suggest that posters request the light bulb FAQ; 1 to propose new alt.change.lite.bulb newsgroup; 47 to say this is just what alt.physic.cold_fusion was meant for, leave it here; and, 143 votes for alt.lite.bulb. A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are unwelcomed. Substancenot soap-boxingplease! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html A HREF="http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/ctrl.html"Archives of [EMAIL PROTECTED]/A http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ A HREF="http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/"ctrl/A To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] The Nazi War on Smoking
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: The Nazi War on Smoking, by Lauren A. Colby http://www.lcolby.com/nazi.html November 5, 1999 Recently, we have been bombarded by a series of articles and TV documentaries, extolling the war against smoking conducted by authorities in Nazi Germany. These articles praise the Nazis for their foresight and vision, in "discovering" that smoking causes lung cancer (as well as nearly every other disease known to man). All of this stems from a book, written by Robert N. Proctor, entitled "The Nazi War on Cancer". In the book, Proctor goes on and on, raving about the great work the Nazis did in finding a cure for cancer: i.e., the abolition of tobacco smoking. In page after page, Proctor describes and praises the work of the Nazi scientists. He is, however, long on hyperbole and adulation and short on descriptions of any real scientific studies, until we get to page 194, where we are told about "an exquisite piece of scholarship" by one Hans Muller who, in a paper published in 1939, finally "proved" that smoking causes lung cancer. Let's take a look at this "exquisite piece of scholarship". What Muller did was to send a questionnaire to the relatives of deceased lung cancer victims. The questionnaire read as follows: "1. Was the deceased Herr_ a smoker? If so, what his daily consumption of cigars, cigarettes, or pipe tobacco? Please be numerically precise in your answer! 2. Did the deceased smoke at some point in his life and then stop? Until when did he smoke? If he did smoke, what was his daily consumption of cigars, cigarettes or pipe tobacco. (Please be precise!) 3. Did the deceased ever cut down on his smoking? How high was his daily use of tobacco products, before and after he cut back? (Please be precise!) 4. Can you say whether the deceased was ever exposed to polluted air for any length of time, either at work or off the job? Did this unclean air contain smoke, soot, dust, tar, fumes, motor exhaust, coal dust or metallic dust, industrial chemicals, cigarette smoke, or similar substances?" Muller's paper does not state exactly how many questionnaires were sent out but he advised that 96 "cases" were obtained - 86 males and 10 females (which seems strange, since the questionnaire, by its express language, referred only to males). Anyway, the 86 males were divided into five classes: extremely heavy smoker, very heavy smoker, heavy smoker, moderate smoker, or non-smoker. The same was done for a group of 86 "controls" of the same age as the cases. Proctor tells us that the results were "stunning"; the lung cancer victims were more than six times as likely to be extremely heavy smokers as the controls. 16% of the healthy group were non-smokers as opposed to 3.5% of the lung cancer victims. The lung cancer victims smoked a total of 2,900 grams of tobacco per day; the healthy controls smoked only 1,250 grams. While Proctor may have considered this to be an "exquisite piece of scholarship", I demur. To me, it is a piece of trash. Why? Well, for starters, we don't know how Muller selected either the lung cancer victims or the controls. Since he didn't tell us how many questionnaires he sent out, he was free, if he wished, to select from the questionnaires that came back, and cull out "faulty" questionnaires, just as do election judges in Chicago, when picking which ballots to be accepted or rejected. Furthermore, he was free to select his controls - the healthy people - on any criterion he might choose. Even more important, Muller compared apples with oranges. He compared the recollections of relatives concerning the smoking habits of the deceased lung cancer victims, with the recollections of living people concerning their own smoking habits. That is a "no-no". Whenever the survivors of dead people are asked about the deceased's smoking habits, they always exaggerate those habits. In Germany in the 1930's, as in the U.S. today, a virulent propaganda campaign was underway, blaming smoking for lung cancer and almost every other disease known to man. Thus, when Hermann's widow was asked how much he smoked, her natural tendency was to visualize Hermann with a deadly cigarette in his mouth and respond, "He smoked a lot". A reverse bias existed, for the healthy controls. Propaganda Minister Goebbels had been saturating the German press with advertisements and articles, suggesting that smokers were nearly as bad as Jews. Thus, when the living people were asked about their smoking habits, a strong bias existed to minimize the amount that they smoked. Simple conformity dictated that a Good German, like his leader, Adolf Hitler, didn't smoke or at least, didn't smoke very much - and the Germans were a very conformist people. At the end of his book, Proctor cites figures, provided by the American Cancer Society and some German group called "Krebsforschungszentrum", purporting to show that the lung cancer death rate in West Germany in
[CTRL] Fwd: GOVERNMENT is a QUACK FAITH HEALER
- http://www.truthbeknown.com Government is a Quack Faith-Healer -- The Laissez Faire City Times, Vol 3, No 16 by Wolf DeVoon http://zolatimes.com/V3.16/gov_faith.html Humans exist in perfect freedom. Obedience is a choice. Government is therefore an illusion. The evidence isn't hard to gather, and it requires no special twist of language, no cognitive somersault. Just pick up the telephone and summon a policeman to attend a crime in progress (robbery, rape, murder, kidnapping). Good luck getting help in time. Nor is it clever to claim that the state's protection exists in a more diffuse, but efficacious realm beyond the average response time of emergency services. In any public street, the law is observed by its citizenry without police. Los Angeles has 7,000 cops and 7 million citizens. The LAPD are garbage collectors in fancy uniforms, picking up the dead and praying that the rest of us will argue quietly. Our dwellings are rendered safe from fire by homeowners and tenants, employing nothing more coercive than an individual desire to survive. All instrumentalities of community protection and public welfare existed first as private, voluntary organizations (constabularies, fire brigades, libraries, schools, hospitals) before dilettantes and ward-healers proposed that a bureaucracy should monopolize and run them badly. The historical origins of governments were neither rational nor provident. In every instance, ancient and modern, sovereigns were created by plunder and a fairy tale of divine right (British Empire), a crackpot theory of destiny (USSR), or a bad bargain improvised under duress (U.S.A.) Any student of the U.S. Constitution can see through the myth of glory: the Virginia Plan was a recipe for Civil War. Noam Chomsky wants government to thwart "evil predators." Robert Nozick fears competition. Hobbes, von Mises, and Ayn Rand hail the state as a champion of the weak, a bulwark of liberty. Burke sighs that the established order of ermine and tithes is comfortable; all innovation a threat. Phooey! Their theoretical defense of an illusion makes no donut disappear from a cop's mouth, no soldier more likely to question his orders, no real evil less vicious. Government is the sole, permanent source of repression and waste. It does not exist of necessity, but rather by virtue of a tragic, almost comical combination of klutzy, opportunistic terrorism against sitting ducks whom it pretends to shelter, plus our childish phobia of responsibility, praying to be exempted from the hard reality of life on life's terms. It is daft to moan about crime. Government cannot stop a thief, a lunatic, or a kid playing with matches. It took the Nazis twenty years to flatter and frighten the German nation into collective obedience -- and still someone shoved a bomb under the Fuhrer's conference table. The state does not and cannot triumph by coercion. Ayn Rand was correct: "Evil requires the sanction of the victim." During the war, German factory owners wheedled endlessly to avoid losing skilled Jewish workers. Twenty percent of all Nazi munitions were duds, sabotaged on the assembly line. The greatest tragedy of the Holocaust was the role of Jewish Councils, who collaborated with and made possible the systematic transportation of innocents. In 1935, SS troops only numbered in the hundreds, not tens of thousands. Jews were ordered to emigrate from Nazi Germany. It is an uncomfortable fact, but the state at its worst and most triumphal was incapable of genocide without the passive compliance of its intended victims. In Soviet Russia, the only tyrant was not Stalin; it was millions of citizens who chanted slogans and perished as a consequence of their own folly. Thirty million British trade unionists, doctors, butchers, bakers and candlestick makers democratically cut their own economic throats in the 1970s with the same Marxist slogans. Harold Wilson did not "force" them into penury, and Margaret Thatcher did not "force" the British to wake up and smell the bank statements. We the people do these things to and for ourselves. In fact and in reality, we are ungoverned and ungovernable. I defy anyone to name a single instance of governmental action that succeeded in achieving its intended outcome. Above all, please don't tell me that you filed an honest tax return, or that you know someone who did. No public work was raised without delay, confusion, cost overrun, graft, or outright disaster as a final consequence. Every morning, the state mangles reason and justice to perform simple tasks that private actors (a) would not undertake because the project is stupid; or (b) could do faster, cheaper, and better than government; or (c) are implicitly required to do anyway, since the state has no competence except that which is supplied by private contractors. All the U.S. politicians and bureaucrats combined could not repair a flush toilet. I become bored with discussing the state's
Re: [CTRL] Amorality Nature (was: Scientists justify Clintoon's...
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Nurev Ind Research wrote: Sounds like Christian theology to me. There is no such thing as good or evil in the natural world. It is purely a human construct, and a random one at that. -- from: "The Moral Maze" by desertrat http://www.geocities.com/golwis/mmaze5.htm -- Part 5. The Deserted Island Continuation from #4: ...You live on a deserted island, let's make it a tropical paradise. You have a bunch of jetsom and flotsom, gardening and construction tools, fishing gear, guns, ammunition and an odd assortment of camping gear. Other than this you are completely alone with the plants and wild animals. At first, while you're preparing to plant your garden, you wander around hunting and gathering whatever you can find that's edible, robbing the caches of squirrels and birds' nests whenever you can find them. Is there anything "immoral" about this? While You're out gathering, a jaguar attacks you. Is the jaguar acting "immorally?" In your own defense, you manage to kill the animal. You take advantage of the kill by skinning and tanning the hide and preserving the meat for later use as emergency food or bait. Is this "good," "bad?" You return to your camp and garden and notice that while you were out gathering coconuts and killing jaguars that were attacking you, a gopher or rabbit and a bunch of damn tropical birds have been stealing from your garden. Were they behaving "immorally?" You set some traps out and try to discourage the birds from robbing you, killing a few in the process. Let's say, you could have used the dead bodies but just didn't feel like it so you threw them away somewhere downwind of your camp for some other wild animals to find. Are you a "bad" person for wasting the bodies or for polluting the area downwind of your camp? *** Commentary *** This is an amoral scenario. There is no moral or immoral about any of this. There is only the law of survival, the rule of success or failure. Not even the cliche "might makes right" applies because there is no objective "right" and "wrong." There is only success or failure with luck or fate playing a role perhaps larger than any of us is willing to imagine. You're lucky you didn't wash up on an island inhabited by more fearsome predators or more numerous and persistent parasites. You might have been eaten by a crocodile or a hungry lion, you might have been eaten alive by flies or ants. All the moral protests in the world can do nothing to save you in an amoral environment. But man has a "moral" sense, (morality is at best, an illusion,) so he naturally describes things in moral terms regardless of its amoral nature. The sunset is "good," the leaking roof is "bad," the taste of the coconut is "good," robbing a bird's nest is "good," killing a defenseless baby bird is "bad," and so on. All such reasoning is subjective, illusory, often delusional. The only guide are one's emotions, not one's reason. Happiness, which is the highest prize, is, after all, an emotion. What makes the individual happy is for him "good." What causes unhappiness is for him "bad." *** The Story Continues *** One day, there is a new arrival on the island. Another human washes up on the beach. When your new companion has recovered somewhat from exposure he wanders the island and happens upon your camp. He immediately demands that you provide him with food and shelter since it is apparent that you have more than you need. You're a bit surprised by his unfriendly manner and refuse telling him to go gather some food the way you did and to start his own garden. You aren't entirely without compassion. You feel morally compelled to give him a coconut or two because he's hungry, this would be a very natural thing to do under the circumstances, I think. You give him one of the jaguar skins you've tanned because he's cold, you have more than you really need and you want him to go away and leave you alone. Secretly, of course, you're cursing at yourself because you've already killed the jaguars that he would likely have fallen prey to. He becomes very angry when you tell him to go away and he storms off. That night he sneaks into your camp and tries to steal some food from your garden. Is he acting "immorally?" *** More Commentary *** How is his behavior any different from the behavior of the tropical birds and the rodents? Only this, that he "ought" to bahave differently, he "ought" to respect your possessions. But if he chooses not to, he is only "bad" or "immoral" from your subjective point of view. From HIS subjective point of view, he sees nothing "wrong" with taking from you what you "should have" given to him to begin with. Objectively, that is, removing all of the subjective values, looking at what "is" as opposed to what "ought to be," the man's behavior is no different from the other animals. There can be no "morality" between you so long as his behavior is amoral. You must deal with him according to the rule
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- blue honey wrote: That's a very interesting post, as you can probably tell I'm reading that book too. My concern is the mind set of today, why grown adults blindly believe something that is obviously untrue. Consider the following scenario: [also note that the Priesthood theory in my previous post should be taken in context with the theories on the "origins of human power structures" by Bucky Fuller (re: "Legally Piggily" "Grunch of Giants") and Lysander Spooner in Part III of "Natural Law; Or the Science of Justice", see: http://www.geocities.com/philately.geo/terrocrat.htm Integrated with what follows, it's a bit more palatable]: -- from: "The Anatomy of Slavespeak" by Frederick Mann http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl07a.shtml -- Two Tribes Consider two different isolated tribes somewhere in the jungles of South America. Call them Tribe 1 and Tribe 2. Each has its unique language with its own structure. The language of Tribe 1 (Language 1) tends to be very literal. A man who fishes, for example, is called "man-who-fishes." The same man, while sleeping, is called "man-who-sleeps"; while talking, "man-who-talks"; while running, "man-who-runs"; while eating, man-who-eats"; while writing, "man-who-writes"; while making a chair, "man-who-makes-chair"; while giving orders, "man-who-gives-orders"; etc. In Language 1, distinctions are made between different kinds of words: "Thing-words," "Do-words," "How-words," "Story-words," "Funny-words," "Order-words," "Panic-words," "What-words," "Who-words," "Why-words," "When-words," "Where-words," etc. High-level abstractions are rare in language 1. To the people of Tribe 1, any word that doesn't refer to something physically perceivable, is highly suspect. Their test for reality is physical. The language of Tribe 2 (Language 2) is very different. A man who obtains his wherewithal mostly by fishing, is called "fisherman." (This system of nomenclature would seem absurd to the people of Tribe 1 -- how can you call someone a "fisherman" when he is not fishing, but sleeping?) Language 2 contains many high-level abstractions -- like "happiness." People from Tribe 2 can talk for hours about "happiness." (To someone from Tribe 1, this would be incomprehensible -- they only talk about "woman-who-is-happy" while she is happy, and "woman-who-is-sad" while she is sad. The notion that you could separate "happiness" from a real person being happy, and talk about "happiness" as if it existed by itself, would be completely unthinkable to someone from Tribe 1.) To the people from Tribe 2, any word being used is automatically assumed to be part of existence, otherwise people wouldn't use it. (To someone from Tribe 1, the word "existence" would be a meaningless absurdity, because in their mentality only particular objects exist.) In Tribe 2, the test for reality is agreement. If other people agree with a word and the way it seems to be used, then that word is automatically accepted as valid and useful. One day a strange man arrives at the place where the people of Tribe 1 live. They ask him: "Who you?" He: "I King." They: "Your name King?" He: "No; my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different but not special; who God?" He: "God creator of world." They: "Where God?; How create world?" He: "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "How we see God?" He: "Can't see God." They: "You speak crazy." He: "No; I special; I show you." Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You clever man-who-tricks." He: "I special; I King." They: "You speak funny; you clever John-who-tricks." He: "I King; my word law." They: "What law? -- special word?" He: "Yes; my word law -- you must obey." They: "Ah! You mean order-word!" He: "Yes; I King; I make law." They: "No; you speak order-word?" He: "Yes; I special." They: "What special? -- Anybody speak order-word?" He: "You not understand." They: "No." Eventually John-the-stranger gives up trying to convince the people of Tribe 1 that he has a "special status" and that his words are different from the words of anyone else -- so he leaves, to search for more gullible and impressionable victims elsewhere... For many days and nights he trudges through the jungle before discovering the people of Tribe 2. They: "Who you?" He: "I King." They: "Your name King?" He: "No, my name John." They: "Why call self King if name John?" He: "I special person, agent of God." They: "You look different; what God?" He: "God creator of world." They: Where God?; How create world?" He "God everywhere; God all-powerful." They: "Show special?" Whereupon the stranger performs various tricks like apparently making objects appear and disappear. They: "You King, agent of God." He: "Yes, my word law." They: "What law?" He: "Law special word of God through me; you must obey."
Re: [CTRL] Religion and Mythology
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- blue honey wrote: But aside from snakes, think about this - Horus from Egypt (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin on Dec. 25, taught in a temple at the age of 12, had 12 deciples, was slain on a cross between 2 thieves, often represented with a triangle...), Quentalocatl of Mexico (was prophesized to be great, born of a virgin, was tempted and fasted for 40 days, was slain in atonement for primal sin, often represented as the trinity and signified by 3 crosses, his second coming is confidently expected...) and the list goes on to Beddru from Japan and like I said before, there are dozens of characters through out time that share strikingly similar qualities. I'm currently reading the book "The Christ Conspiracy", which digs *really* deep into the above insights. Extremely fascinating reading. The authors website is http://www.truthbeknown.com/, but her book contains 10x the information. Another interesting conspiracy theory on the origin of religion, which is pretty hard to swallow, but worth considering nonetheless, is found in the books: "..."The Axe was God", "The Rod Was Mercury" and "Thirty-Thousand Gods before Jehovah", all authored by the same person. I think these books were originally published in the 1930's or 40's. The premise of these books, which must be taken into consideration when reading this section, is that there was a worldwide "PRIESTHOOD" that existed before the dawn of Christianity and it was these "Thirty-thousand" or so HIGH Priests which ruled the world from the hilltops among scattered Islands and mainlands. They possessed maps which allowed them to send pirate crews of Lower Priests through the seas to the different lands to convince the people of the "Reality" of the various Gods which ruled the people. Very Much like "Zardoz". These Gods and lower priests alone knew the different languages and taught each of them to the different peoples. No one area of people were allowed to know the language of the other tribes or groups of people. The Gate which one could not pass was the "Babylon" or "Gate of the Gods", where one would be severely punished If trespassed. This kept the people from sharing information and figuring out what was really going on. This was also the "Garden of Eden" where the gods presided. Only the "Gods" knew of the powers of "Fire" and gunpowder and could cause great disturbances which made the people fear the repercussions and deliver to the "Gods" Gold, jewels, and various sacrifices including humans. The Rod of Mercury was carried by the Lower Priest, hereafter referred to as just the "Priests", which were one rank lower than the "Gods", the highest priests. This Caudaceas would allow them to pass unharmed into the different areas to administer limited information to the King of the Peoples. (The King was under the Priests). If one tribe got out of line, then "Jehovah" would unleash his wrath by sending an army from "Baal's" land to destroy some of "Jehovah's" people, by sending a Priest to "Baal's" land and informing them that there was an army planning an invasion over to the North or something. That they must attack them and kill them etc. When this happened, the remaining people would be frightened and say, "Well, I guess we should have listened to Jehovah, he was right, look at how he was able to destroy us like that". http://www.freedomdomain.com/language.html A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Profound historical illiteracy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- -- Subject: PRAC Reality Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2000 17:36:35 -0800 From: Frog Farmer [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Are Russians still obligated to the Communist Party? The Soviet Union was dissolved by the decree of a president. In America, the Constitution was suspended by the decree of a president. The U.S. Congress adjourned sine die. It never reconvened under the Constitution. Do Americans pretend to know and understand what happened in Russia, when they can't recognize the same thing at home? I think so. People who claim to support the original American government, the nation that was born of freed British colonies, would today, if they suddenly found themselves in Russia, be looking for direction from their Communist Party commissars, not aware that the Soviet Union is no more. Today these Americans proudly claim their membership in the new beast created by Abraham Lincoln, which has no lawful origin or current existence in law (except under the law of military conquest, the defacto supreme law of the world). Yet they claim to support the old Constitution that hasn't been in lawful effect since 1861 due to the fact that no one uses it anymore. Offer them an election to participate in, and they'll vote, no matter whether they are legitimate members of the group holding the election or not. Russians are not pretending that the Soviet Union still exists. Yet Americans are pretending that the United States of America, founded July 4, 1776, still exists. The Russians realize that governments can come and go, yet Americans can't seem to recognize that same fact. Their national government dissolved on March 27, 1861, when the quorum to conduct business under the Constitution was lost. The only votes Congress could lawfully take, under parliamentary law, were those to set the time to re-convene, take a vote to get a quorem, and vote to adjourn and set a date, time, and place to re-convene at a later time. Instead, Congress abandoned the House and Senate without setting a date to reconvene. Under the parliamentary law of Congress, when this happened Congress became sine die (pronounced see-na dee-a), literally,`without day,' An adjournment sine die -- that is, without day, -- closes the session, and if there is no provision for convening the assembly again, of course the adjournment dissolves the assembly. Thus, when Congress adjourned sine die it ceased to exist as a lawful deliberative body. The only lawful, constitutional power who could declare war, was no longer lawful, or in session. Congress did not reconvene until days later when it was re-convened under the military authority of the Commander-in-Chief by Executive Order, and sat unlawfully under the direct pleasure of A. Lincoln as Commander-in-Chief of the military. To this very day, Congress still exists by the military authority of the Commander-in-Chief, and not as a lawful Constitutional body. To those who say that Lincoln had no lawful authority to suspend the constitution, and that therefore it is not suspended, I agree. But find some people to agree with us! You can't! You can get almost anyone to claim membership in the "Union" created by Lincoln, which is NOT the same government that existed on March 26, 1861. Offer them membership in the Soviet Union today, and they might even accept! What does this mean to us today? It means you have to know who you are, without having to have someone else tell you! You have to know if you have any allegiance, and to what, instead of believing your allegiance lies wherever you've been trained to say it does. True Americans, of the nation of 1776, are like free Chechens today - realizing that the Soviet Union is dead, and that they have no lawful government but that which they institute for themselves. They fight their oppressors, who are backed by Lincoln's Beast. True communists who want paid jobs being Communists have had to look elsewhere than to Russia. True Americans who want paid jobs supporting the old Constitution of 1789 have to look elsewhere than the corporate creations of Lincoln's Beast of 1861. Some people believe that anyone called "president" can do anything. Are you one of those? Yeltsin's Address Dismissing the Supreme Soviet and Congress of Peoples' Deputies (National Television Address) "TO THE CITIZENS OF RUSSIA" Fellow citizens. I am addressing you at one of the most complex and critical moments on the eve of events of extraordinary importance. In recent months Russia has been experiencing a profound crisis of its state structure. All government institutions and political leaders have been dragged into a fruitless, senseless and destructive struggle. A direct consequence of this is the decline of the authority of state power as a whole. I am sure that
[CTRL] [Fwd: [blue honey] Why the War on Drugs may well be worth fighting.]
From: Andy [EMAIL PROTECTED] You may find this article humorous, and it's so far out there that I guess it is a bit silly. The movie did so well that I'd bet most of us know what "The Matrix" is. A world where machines and computers rule...this article could explain the turning point: "War on Drugs" = War on Cash, or, Why the "War on Drugs" may well be worth fighting.The massive and ever-increasing presence of illicit drugs within our society is prompting much concern. The US Government's "War on Drugs" is demonstrably not working and further considered by many to be counterproductive.Here in the UK, heroin usage, (which along with crack cocaine is generally regarded as the most socially dangerous illicit substance), is now reckoned to be approaching 2% of the general population of some cities. Prompting louder and greater cries that "something must be done".I believe there are three principal reasons why government, and the forces behind government, are allowing the drug situation to get so out of control. I will relate these and then hypothesize further about where all this is leading.Firstly, it helps facilitate transnational corporate expansionism. In a world where very big companies are seeking to get bigger still; to expand their holdings, both fiscal and human; it is very useful to be able to both socially and politically disenfranchise those persons who, for one reason or another, do not quite fit into the corporate gameplan. Heroin does this admirably. It is a very powerful painkiller whose essential action is to partially remove the user from the life process; to reduce the emotional impact of incoming stimuli and so lower our response to our environment. Junkies typically neither vote nor riot. They are rendered socially and politically inactive by their drug of choice and so do little to threaten the advance of consumerism.Secondly, heroin, and also cocaine, are now such major commodities, any effective attack on their presence would inevitably have a major effect on the world markets. Some analysts suggest effective action to lower heroin and cocaine supplies could end the current bull run and cause the market to enter a phase of depression. Something those who run the worlds' finances apparently seem determined to prevent.Thirdly, and more sinisterly, I believe the increasing presence of heroin and crack cocaine within our communities, and the accompanying calls for 'something to be done', will be used to maneuver us into finally rejecting cash once and for all. For, without cash, untraceable financial transactions such as the sale of illicit substances are not possible.I believe that early in the coming century, somewhere, likely in Western Europe, there will be a pilot scheme to remove illicit drugs by outlawing cash currency. This scheme will work, and, more importantly, be seen to work. From then on, the media will unrelenting sell the idea that the outlawing of cash will remove illicit heroin, to the point where the public will be literally begging government to undertake a similar scheme in their neighborhood. Large retail chains will proclaim their allegiance to the War on Drugs by renouncing the acceptance of cash. Media worthies, in TV extravaganzas, will exhort us to give up cash "for the sake of our childrens' future". Increasingly, persons still using or accepting cash will be seen as social pariahs, selfishly putting their own obsession with personal freedom above the needs of the community.Over the following years cash will be steadily removed from our society until all money is electronic and controlled by a vast interlocked network of computers.People will now possess "smart cards", credit-card sized things with vast amounts of information about the holder on them, including his or her current financial limits.Then, once cash is fully eliminated, and not before, big problems will begin to "occur" within the electronic money system. Massive frauds will happen. People will find all their money suddenly disappearing without their knowing where it's gone. About this time, the media will begin introducing the idea that only by putting the info on the smart card actually into the users' body, by microchipping people, can our personal and financial details be 100% safe.Pilot schemes will operate, (some are already in existence), and the persons signing up for "chipping" will be seen to be totally resistant to fraudulent loss of their money. Banks and employers will offer incentives to people to get chipped. The media will sell the idea unrelentingly. Small children will go missing and be found "because they were chipped". Films and TV will show chipping as the socially positive thing to do. Youngsters will be bombarded with propaganda telling them chipping is cool, and a smart idea if you want to get ahead. Greater and greater problems will occur with smart cards, until the general public are queuing around the block to get themselves chipped.Finally, we will have a world
Re: [CTRL] The Vast Left Wing Conspiracy (fwd)
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- MICHAEL SPITZER wrote: So in reality, there is a Vast Left-wing Conspiracy (VLC) firmly in place in America with the mainstream media its controlling player and willing accomplice that will stop at nothing to keep these people in power -- from: "What Makes Mainstream Media Mainstream", by Noam Chomsky http://www.zmag.org/chomsky/articles/z9710-mainstream-media.html -- Studying the Media From a talk at Z Media Institute June 1997 Part of the reason why I write about the media is because I am interested in the whole intellectual culture, and the part of it that is easiest to study is the media. It comes out every day. You can do a systematic investigation. You can compare yesterdays version to todays version. There is a lot of evidence about whats played up and what isnt and the way things are structured. My impression is the media arent very different from scholarship or from, say, journals of intellectual opinionthere are some extra constraintsbut its not radically different. They interact, which is why people go up and back quite easily among them. You look at the media, or at any institution you want to understand. You ask questions about its internal institutional structure. You want to know something about their setting in the broader society. How do they relate to other systems of power and authority? If youre lucky, there is an internal record from leading people in the information system which tells you what they are up to (it is sort of a doctrinal system). That doesnt mean the public relations handouts but what they say to each other about what they are up to. There is quite a lot of interesting documentation. Those are three major sources of information about the nature of the media. You want to study them the way, say, a scientist would study some complex molecule or something. You take a look at the structure and then make some hypothesis based on the structure as to what the media product is likely to look like. Then you investigate the media product and see how well it conforms to the hypotheses. Virtually all work in media analysis is this last parttrying to study carefully just what the media product is and whether it conforms to obvious assumptions about the nature and structure of the media. Well, what do you find? First of all, you find that there are different media which do different things, like the entertainment/Hollywood, soap operas, and so on, or even most of the newspapers in the country (the overwhelming majority of them). They are directing the mass audience. There is another sector of the media, the elite media, sometimes called the agenda-setting media because they are the ones with the big resources, they set the framework in which everyone else operates. The New York Times and CBS, that kind of thing. Their audience is mostly privileged people. The people who read the New York Timespeople who are wealthy or part of what is sometimes called the political classthey are actually involved in the political system in an ongoing fashion. They are basically managers of one sort or another. They can be political managers, business managers (like corporate executives or that sort of thing), doctoral managers (like university professors), or other journalists who are involved in organizing the way people think and look at things. The elite media set a framework within which others operate. If you are watching the Associated Press, who grind out a constant flow of news, in the mid-afternoon it breaks and there is something that comes along every day that says "Notice to Editors: Tomorrows New York Times is going to have the following stories on the front page." The point of that is, if youre an editor of a newspaper in Dayton, Ohio and you dont have the resources to figure out what the news is, or you dont want to think about it anyway, this tells you what the news is. These are the stories for the quarter page that you are going to devote to something other than local affairs or diverting your audience. These are the stories that you put there because thats what the New York Times tells us is what youre supposed to care about tomorrow. If you are an editor in Dayton, Ohio, you would sort of have to do that, because you dont have much else in the way of resources. If you get off line, if youre producing stories that the big press doesnt like, youll hear about it pretty soon. In fact, what just happened at San Jose Mercury News is a dramatic example of this. So there are a lot of ways in which power plays can drive you right back into line if you move out. If you try to break the mold, youre not going to last long. That framework works pretty well, and it is understandable that it is just a reflection of obvious power structures. The real mass media are basically trying to divert people. Let them do something else, but dont bother us
Re: [CTRL] Fwd: [RuMills] THE TRUTH BEHIND THE EU'S THREAT TOWARDAUSTRIA
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Bob Stokes wrote: Are you saying that wars (upheavals) are productive? The elites think there are limited resources to support life, is that the reason they want wars ... to leave more of these supposedly limited resources for them? I don't think stirring the pot is always a good thing. It would be more productive to stir the pot counter-clockwise and have the peasants kill the elites for a change, such is my opinion. Regards, Bob Stokes Assassinations Politics? http://www.zolatimes.com/v2.26/jimbell.htm Hmmm... I'll bid a 10 spot for any Gremlins and imps on this list: Main Families in Skull Bones : (A) Whitney Family (1635, Watertown, Mass.) (B) Perkins Family (1631, Boston, Mass.) (C) Phelps Family (1630, Dorchester, Mass.) (D) Bundy Family (1635, Boston, Mass.) (E) Taft Family (1679, Braintree, Mass.) (F) Wadsworth Family (1632, Newton, Mass.) (G) Lord Family (1635, Cambridge, Mass.) (H) Gilman Family (1638, Hingham, Mass.) (I) Harriman Family (Railroads) (J) Rockefeller Family (Standard Oil) (K) Payne Family (Standard Oil) (L) Davison Family (J.P. Morgan) (M) Weyerhaeuser Family (Lumber) (N) Pillsbury Family (Flour Milling) (O) Sloane Family (Retail) A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] 'The law that never was'
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Bill Richer wrote: A: It took a full year. There is not one state -- not one -- that has ratified the 16th Amendment to the United States Constitution. One of the most amazing documents I found was in the national archives in Washington D.C. -- a 16-page memorandum written by Ruben J. Clark, then the attorney for Secretary of State Philander Chase Knox -[re-post]- WHO WAS PHILANDER KNOX? IS IT CREDIBLE THAT HE WOULD COMMIT FRAUD? http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/philanderknox.htm Understanding a crime or a misdeed involves learning not only what was done and who did it, but also what the motivation was. With a clear motive, evidence of the "what" and "who" becomes much more credible. Allegations that Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he falsely declared the 16th amendment ratified in 1913, require us to look at who he was to understand why he would commit such an act. The following sketch was prepared by the We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education and is condensed from Bill Benson's research report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment, "The Law That Never Was," Volume II (1985), pages 122-135. __ Philander Chase Knox was born in 1853 in western Pennsylvania, son of a bank cashier. While attending college in Ohio, he became closely acquainted with William McKinley, then the local district attorney, who was prosecuting a local tavern owner for selling alcohol to the college students. Knox took McKinley's advice and became a lawyer. McKinley, having chaired the powerful House Ways and Means Committee in Congress, was elected governor of Ohio in 1891. Although he owed his election to support from both business and labor, he quelled the labor strike called by Eugene V. Debs against the Great Northern Railroad in 1894 by summoning federal troops. McKinley won the 1896 presidential race with a great deal of support from Big Business, e.g., John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil contributed $250,000 to the "front porch" campaign that defeated Bryan and his populist platform of returning to the constitutionally mandated monetary system and reform of McKinley's high tariffs that had allowed domestic manufacturers to raise their prices to a level that matched the artificially-induced higher prices of foreign goods, thus causing a severe depression. Knox helped in this financial and political effort that was directed by the wealthy Ohio industrialist Mark Hanna, who was appointed to a vacant U.S. Senate seat the following year by Ohio's governor. McKinley had already been saved from personal financial ruin by help from his old friend, Philander Knox, who had become wealthy as counsel to the very wealthy. Knox came to be regarded as one of the ablest lawyers in the country, his repute due in no small measure to his being counsel for Carnegie and Vanderbilt and their corporate enterprises. He was instrumental in Carnegie's big victory in a crucial patent case in which the most important invention for the manufacture of crude steel was at stake. In 1892, he defended Henry Frick, Carnegie's steel plant manager, who was being sued by the steel workers who had been beaten up by Pinkertons brought in by Frick during the infamous Homestead strike, a strike that was provoked by two of Carnegie's presidents, one of whom was also an attorney for J.P. Morgan. Knox also deflected prosecution and civil suit against Carnegie in 1894 after it was shown to Congress that Carnegie had defrauded the Navy with inferior armor plate for U.S. warships. Morgan himself had defrauded the U.S. Army in arms sales during the Civil War. And Knox averted prosecution of Carnegie after the president of the Morgan-controlled Pennsylvania Railroad testified that Carnegie had regularly received illegal kickbacks from the railroad. Knox's other big client at the time, the Vanderbilt family, was connected to Carnegie primarily through the railroad industry. President McKinley offered Knox the post of U.S. Attorney General in 1899, but Knox had to decline, because he was then and for two more years engaged in arranging the merger of the railroad, oil, coal, iron and steel interests of Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, and other robber barons into the largest conglomerate in history - U.S. Steel. This immense corporation encompassed the interests of nearly all the robber barons in what Knox's new client, J.P. Morgan, referred to as a "community of interest." One important component of the conglomerate was Consolidated Iron Mines in the Mesabi Range of Minnesota, which Rockefeller had fraudulently swindled from the Merritt family, who later successfully sued John D. for fraud, but had to settle for a fraction of the award
Re: [CTRL] Terence McKenna
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [O]nce you've been exposed to the psychedelic mindscape of the man referred to as 'the Timothy Leary of the Nineties' (by Leary himself!), your worldview may never be the same ever again CLASSIC Terence McKenna... This article will shred your mind. A must. -- Richard Metzger http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=foldertitle=Terence+McKenna oops... had half a dozen windows open in my browser, mostly McKenna pages from the above disinfo.com link. Because the Mondo 2000 interview and the following page both had an olive-green background, and were from deoxy.org, I mistakenly sent the wrong file. Here's the article Metzger was referring to as "a must". Sorry from: Tryptamine Hallucinogens and Consciousness by Terence McKenna http://www.deoxy.org/t_thc.htm A talk given at the Lilly/Goswami Conference on Consciousness and Quantum Physics at Esalen, December 1983. It was to be the first of many lectures at Esalen Institute on the Big Sur Coast of California. (Included as written word because this edited transcription appears in print as part of his book The Archaic Revival - dimitri) There is a very circumscribed place in organic nature that has, I think, important implications for students of human nature. I refer to the tryptophan-derived hallucinogens dimethyltryptamine (DMT), psilocybin, and a hybrid drug that is in aboriginal use in the rain forests of South America, ayahuasca. This latter is a combination of dimethyltryptamine and a monoamine oxidase inhibitor that is taken orally. It seems appropriate to talk about these drugs when we discuss the nature of consciousness; it is also appropriate when we discuss quantum physics. It is my interpretation that the major quantum mechanical phenomena that we all experience, aside from waking consciousness itself, are dreams and hallucinations. These states, at least in the restricted sense that I am concerned with, occur when the large amounts of various sorts of radiation conveyed into the body by the senses are restricted. Then we see interior images and interior processes that are psychophysical. These processes definitely arise at the quantum mechanical level. It's been shown by John Smythies, Alexander Shulgin, and others that there are quantum mechanical correlates to hallucinogenesis. In other words, if one atom on the molecular ring of an inactive compound is moved, the compound becomes highly active. To me this is a perfect proof of the dynamic linkage at the formative level between quantum mechanically described matter and mind. Hallucinatory states can be induced by a variety of hallucinogens and diassociative anesthetics, and by experiences like fasting and other ordeals. But what makes the tryptamine family of compounds especially interesting is the intensity of the hallucinations and the concentration of activity in the visual cortex. There is an immense vividness to these interior landscapes, as if information were being presented three-dimensionally and deployed fourth-dimensionally, coded as light and as evolving surfaces. When one confronts these dimensions one becomes part of a dynamic relationship relating to the experience while trying to decode what it is saying. This phenomenon is not new - people have been talking to gods and demons for far more of human history than they have not. It is only the conceit of the scientific and postindustrial societies that allows us to even propound some of the questions that we take to be so important. For instance, the question of contact with extraterrestrials is a kind of red herring premised upon a number of assumptions that a moment's reflection will show are completely false. To search expectantly for a radio signal from an extraterrestrial source is probably as culture bound a presumption as to search the galaxy for a good Italian restaurant. And yet, this has been chosen as the avenue by which it is assumed contact is likely to occur. Meanwhile, there are people all over the world - psychics, shamans, mystics, schizophrenics - whose heads are filled with information, but it has been ruled a priori irrelevant, incoherent, or mad. Only that which is validated through consensus via certain sanctioned instrumentalities will be accepted as a signal. The problem is that we are so inundated by these signals - these other dimensions - that there is a great deal of noise in the circuit. It is no great accomplishment to hear a voice in the head. The accomplishment is to make sure it is telling the truth, because the demons are of many kinds: "Some are made of ions, some of mind; the ones of ketamine, you'll find, stutter often and are blind." The reaction to these voices is not to kneel in genuflection before a god, because then one will be like Dorothy in her first encounter with Oz. There is no dignity in the universe unless we meet these things on our feet, and that means having an I/Thou
Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Andy wrote: "Shrooms in the desert!?! No way. Too dry. Need rain and cow pies. Trust me". -- Exodus 16-14 "And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground.".. Frost? Dew? Wilderness? Is this a desert?? Need grass, trees and moisture. Trust me. Further, the Exodus quote from above goes on (verses 15,31): When the people of Israel saw it, they said to one another, "What is it?"...And Moses said to them, "It is the *bread* which the Lord has given you to eat." Now the house of Israel called it manna; it was like coriander seed, white, and the taste of it was like wafers made with honey. Consider the following passage from Ezekiel 4:15: Then he [The Lord] said to me, "See, I will let you have cow's dung instead of human dung, on which you may prepare your *bread*." Prepare your bread on cow's dung? I'm certainly no Biblical scholar, but to me that makes absolutely no sense whatsoever, under any set normal circumstances; yet in the context of magic mushroom 'manna' -- a small round thing, the color of a coriander seed, gathered in the morning dew, or else left to rot and be consumed by worms in the hot sun -- it seems to make perfect sense. -- From The Marriage of Heaven and Hell, Plate 13, by William Blake, (1757-1827): I then asked Ezekiel why he eat dung and lay so long on his right and left side? He answered, "The desire of raising other men into a perception of the infinite" http://mir.drugtext.org/lycaeum/flink6.htm A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Terence McKenna interview for Mondo 2000
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- [O]nce you've been exposed to the psychedelic mindscape of the man referred to as 'the Timothy Leary of the Nineties' (by Leary himself!), your worldview may never be the same ever again CLASSIC Terence McKenna... This article will shred your mind. A must. -- Richard Metzger http://www.disinfo.com/disinfo?p=foldertitle=Terence+McKenna from: Gracie and Zarkov interview Terence McKenna for Mondo 2000 http://www.deoxy.org/t_mondo2.htm M2: Why did you write Food of the Gods ? TM: I felt if I could change the frame of the argument and get drugs insinuated into a scenario of human origins, then I would cast doubt on the whole paradigm of Western Civilization, in the same way that realizing that we came from monkeys did a great deal to re-set the dials in the 19th Century Victorian mind. If you could convince people that drugs were responsible for the emergence of large brain size and language, then you could completely re-cast the argument from: "Drugs are alien, invasive and distorting to human nature" to: "Drugs are natural, ancient and responsible for human nature". So it was consciously propaganda, although I believe all that and I believe it's going to be hard to knock down. M2: Who is your target audience? TM: The target audience will be the converted first of all, but my hope is that the engines of public relations and publicity will move it much more into the mainstream. The 18-25 year old group that is drug-friendly but has no rationale except that it's a good time. This book is what I want every co-ed next Fall to be carrying to Anthro 101 to beard the professor with. You've heard me talk about meme wars, and how, if we could have a level playing field, these ideas would do very well. The theory I'm putting forth - to disprove it you would have to get your feet wet and get stoned. Anybody who doesn't want to do that should rule themselves off the case. So that presents academic types with a real problem. M2: If you're going to challenge the conclusions you must come to grips with the empirical facts of being high. TM: That's right. It's not a metaphysical argument, or an emotional plea; it's an argument on their own terms. Can they do better? What was happening? I think we should look at the impact of diet and realize that what you eat changes the parameters of the environment that is selecting you. I found no discussion of the impact of diet on human evolution, and yet at the very moment that the great [primate] evolutionary leaps were being made, there was a transformation of the diet towards omnivorousness, meat-eating, predation - away from the fructarian original state. I'm not saying that civilization fucked up what was otherwise a naturally-occurring politically correct situation. There was a period when, because of the presence of psilocybin in the diet, the natural tendency to male dominance hierarchies was interrupted. It was in that moment that community values, altruism, language, long-term planning, awareness of cause and effect, all the things that distinguish us were established. Then, as the mushroom became less available due to climatological factors, after 15,000 years of this human-mushroom quasi-symbiosis, the old dominance hierarchy hard-wiring reasserted itself in the ancient Middle East with the invention of agriculture, the need to become sedentary in order to carry out agriculture, the need to defend surplus, the establishment of kingship. These are a reassertion of an older pattern that had been interrupted by a factor in the diet which basically made people mellow. M2: Did that interruption occur throughout the entire human genome, or are there areas which would have been outside the mushroom Garden? TM: People have been migrating out of Africa during each interglacial. I think the mushroom was having an effect in Africa over the last three million years, but what really kicked the process into high gear was that during the last interglacial, true pastoralism evolved. All previous migrations out of Africa were the migrations of hunter/gatherers. The migration that began at the melting of the last glaciation about 18,000 years ago, were the first herders out of Africa. It's the cattle/human/ mushroom triad that reinforces the partnership, non-dominant, orgiastic style. I talk in the book about how apparently at a certain point in the evolution of human cognition, cause removed from effect became something that people noticed. At the very moment that men were realizing that the consequences of sex were children 9 months later, women were realizing that the consequences of tossing trash onto middens was food availability in those very spots 12 months later. This ability to correlate a cause with a delayed effect indicates a certain level of neurological processing that sets the stage for the suppression of orgy. Because the suppression of orgy is linked to a concern for male paternity.
[CTRL] Language Conspiracy
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- from: Language http://www.freedomdomain.com/language.html Probably one of the greatest, but least suspected (and least taken seriously) conspiracy is the Language Conspiracy. This is the conspiracy to keep different people of different cultures in all parts of the world from communicating with each other easily and efficiently. It is enough just to get someone to listen, but if he or she speaks a different language, then, unless you know that language, good luck. Language can seem like a large and vast abyss of knowledge that only the well studied and educated can understand and transmute. At least, it has seemed like this to me for a number of years and I look at things as generally very easy to learn. (If someone else can comprehend it, than so can I). At least it is good to have that attitude. It makes learning alot easier. If most people knew the origins of the words they were using then they would know the true meaning of those words as well. Some words would then appear to have no real meaning at all and some would take on greater meaning than they previously had. All life can be viewed however you choose. But, to some people there are little suddleties that raise the eyebrow. That make one suspicious that maybe there is more to things that we take for granted than we first observe or suspect. Several books have been written that delve into the meaning of certain words and make me personally very suspicious that there is more to words and language than we have been led to know. Not only have we not learned this material in life, but it has been deliberately kept from people since the dark ages. Remember, not everyone could even read 600-700 years ago. One of the best books and the one that introduced me to the language concept is John Allegro's "Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" first published in 1970. This book proves absolutely, that the words we use in English had different meanings altogether in other languages. So does this mean that the original meanings of words that were translated from such books as the "Bible" really meant something else entirely? YOU BET! That means that what we perceive about what was said in the "Bible" and other ancient works is really 'wrong' and a false belief, isn't it? Strange as it may seem, nobody talks about this. I wonder why? Maybe, it is because it is very important to know about and nobody wants you to know. Paranoid sounding, isn't it? Read on and form your own opinion. Some of the most important things pointed out in the following books and documentation are the fact that the "Axe" represented "God" to the ancient People. That "Mushrooms" were a major contribution to religion and that the Rod of Mercury (or the Cadaceus or Medical Symbol) was of utmost importance. Also, the fact that there were many Gods and all of them were human priests living on the high mountains of several Islands scattered throughout the world. (This is the essence of the Trilogy "Priesthood of the Ill's". Warning !! Will Rogers!! Danger!! Danger!! This could very well be the most devastating and important section of all learning and study. Be advised, once you know the meaning of words, you cannot be ignorant of the true meaning of words, and therefore original concepts of the ancient people. Once you understand the way they thought about things, this may radically alter your entire belief system. (I don't know exactly why, but it seems to work out that way) Special thanks to Jordan Maxwell, probably the greatest researcher and dedicated Freedom Truth activist the world has ever known. Special thanks to you, Jordan, for your tireless effort. (Incidently, Jordon turned me on to some of the books mentioned here. Namely "Priesthood of the Ill's" which comprises 3, get that, 3 books (just a jab here) titled, "The Axe was God", "The Rod Was Mercury" and "Thirty-Thousand Gods before Jehovah", all authored by the same person.) I think these books were originally published in the 1930's or 40's. The premise of these books, which must be taken into consideration when reading this section, is that there was a worldwide "PRIESTHOOD" that existed before the dawn of Christianity and it was these "Thirty-thousand" or so HIGH Priests which ruled the world from the hilltops among scattered Islands and mainlands. They possessed maps which allowed them to send pirate crews of Lower Priests through the seas to the different lands to convince the people of the "Reality" of the various Gods which ruled the people. Very Much like "Zardoz". These Gods and lower priests alone knew the different languages and taught each of them to the different peoples. No one area of people were allowed to know the language of the other tribes or groups of people. The Gate which one could not pass was where one would be severely punished if trespassed. This kept the people from sharing information and figuring
[CTRL] The Secret History of America
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- - from: The Secret History of America: The Greatest Conspiracy On Earth http://www.freedomdomain.com/Catalog/catalog.htm This May Be The Most Important Document You Ever Read In Your Life! Do you believe in a GRAND CONSPIRACY ? Do you believe Oswald acted alone ? Do you believe that government is corrupt ? If so, then to what DEGREE ? That may depend on how willing you are to open your eyes and mind to SEE. Why is it that the more things change, the more they stay the same ? Why doesn't society ever seem to grow up ? Most people grow up thinking that the world is very big and we believe the world exists the way it does today because this is the direction humanity has taken and chosen. The information that I will discuss in the introduction to this catalog is meant to present to you the idea that history is not being created by chance, but rather by design. The road that we are taking as a nation in America and as a human race on the planet Earth is being paved for us in advance and sold to us for a profit. Many people talk about conspiracies such as WATERGATE, IRAN-CONTRA, THE S L (Savings and Loan) SCANDAL, THE FEDERAL RESERVE, OCTOBER SURPRISE, KENNEDY, THE FREEMASONS, THE COUNCIL ON FOREIGN RELATIONS and THE TRILATERAL COMMISSION, and even GREY ALIENS, but very few people know the real facts enough to explain them because they are not researched themselves. As information comes down the pipeline it becomes distorted and confused because most of the people passing along the information do not know the entire story, they have not researched much information themselves, and they tend to be biased as well. (They tend to have an angle in the information they put out, usually because they have an ulterior motive. ) I can only state from research of seven years, WHAT I BELIEVE to be the TRUTH based on mostly HARD FACTS. For AT LEAST five- to ten thousand years, mankind has been aware of MORE scientific and spiritual facts than we are currently aware of today as a great society and nation. The libraries of Alexandria, which held the collection of the world's greatest knowledge, existed in Egypt thousands of years ago. The Essenes were just one secret sect of Gnostics (Knowledge Holders) that existed around two thousand years ago. Since the earliest times of Pagan groups and Nature religions, the SUN has been considered a SYMBOL for LIFE. The Ancients believed that when the SUN gave off it's energy, it was giving IT'S life for US. They believed that the SUN of GOD, the LIGHT of the WORLD is ALL SALVATION because He has RISEN. He is therefore our ETERNAL SAVIOR. There has always been a struggle between LIGHT and DARK forces in the world. When the SUN goes down and it becomes DARK, we cannot SEE. We naturally fear what we do not know and since we cannot SEE in the DARK, we do not know what's there and we fear. When the SUN would SET (Satan), it would get DARK. But when the SUN was on the HORIZON (Horus, translates to Jesus), it would be called THE SAVIOR. This formed the basis for early Christianity. The Essenes, as well as other secret societies around the times were PRIESTHOODS, so the early CHURCH was an established KNOWLEDGE CENTER with IDEAS ENCODED SYMBOLICALLY into religious text. After time, symbols lose their meaning except to those whom are INITIATED. Essentially, they held knowledge of ARCHETYPAL ENERGIES that bond or link Spirit to matter. These energies are expressed in mathematics and Greek Gematria called SACRED GEOMETRY. The word OCCULT means HIDDEN. They took the knowledge, hid it, and made it appear to be EVIL, so that they would know it, we wouldn't, and they could then control us a lot easier. This allowed an early guild of bricklayers, or MASONS, to be established, making it possible to build great pyramids, etc. Now, if everybody knew how to build a pyramid, then not only would the Pharaoh's tomb be no greater than Joe neighbor's cottage, but the Masons would also lose a lot of money building great castles and churches throughout Europe. This was the basis for early CAPITALISM, but we will discuss this later. SACRED MUSHROOM ingesting and CANNABIS-smoking shamans are tribe spirit leaders in a sense and they practice inducing a state of consciousness in warrior tribesmen to temporarily replace their consciousness with animal consciousness to perform certain tasks or learn spiritual lessons or principles. There were special groups of assassin cults that were trained in earlier times using substances like hashish and they were called "Hashishans" or "Assassins". Although these two practices are not identical, they are similar and related. While the first example may be considered early natural mind control in the sense of learning to control your own mind, the second example could be considered manipulative mind control in the sense that the participants
Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- nessie wrote: 'Shrooms in the desert!?! No way. Too dry. Need rain and cow pies. Trust me. On the surface that argument sounds good, and I'll admit that there is certainly a possibility that this line of research by Terence McKenna, et al., is flawed and psilocybe mushrooms are not "manna from Heaven". But consider the Children of Israel supposedly wandered for 40 years, whose to say they stayed in the desert the entire trip? In fact, unless I'm mistaken, the word used to describe where they wandered was in the 'wilderness', not in the 'desert', per se. Simply because they started off in a desert region of Egypt and 40-years later settled in the arid land of Canaan, doesn't necessarily mean they stayed in a desert region totally devoid of rain and dew throughout their wanderings. They had cattle with them, they had plenty of cow pies. I mean how long would it take to travel from Egypt to Canaan? Several months, a year, two years, several more years? To me, 40 years sounds like quite a long time to travel that distance. More importantly, they only had manna for a certain part of their trip, and by the time they settled in the arid land of Canaan, there was no more manna to be had, which is consistent with the theory that they traveled from Egypt to a less arid region where psilocybe mushrooms were able to grow on their cow pies in the morning dew, and over the decades wandered out of the region, settling in Canaan, where the shrooms could no longer grow, thus no more manna for the Children of Israel. Once again, from the original page I posted: The Bible never tells us exactly what manna was and where it came from, but there are many Old Testament passages which describe its physical qualities and conditions associated with its appearance. The Bible's first reference to manna is in the Book of Exodus as the children of Israel are fleeing from Egypt and following Moses into the wilderness. After six weeks of wandering, they began complaining to Moses that they are tired and hungry. What happens next is truly extraordinary: Then said the LORD unto Moses, Behold, I will vain bread from heaven for you; and the people shall go out and gather a certain rate every day, that I may prove them, whether they will walk in my law or no (16:4). And when the dew that lay was gone up, behold, upon the face of the wilderness there lay a small round thing, as small as the hoar frost on the ground (16: 14). And when the children of Israel saw if, they said one to another It is manna: for they wist not what it was. And Moses said unto them, This is the bread which the Lord hath given you to eat. When I read this passage, I was struck by the fact that manna easily fits the description of psilocybe mushrooms. For one thing magic mushrooms are small and round, and since they sprout so rapidly they would seem to appear overnight, as if out of the sky. Also, anyone harvesting them would immediately notice that they turn blue where torn and had no roots, giving more reason to believe that the mushrooms were of celestial origin. Note that manna does not just fall from heaven, but instead it is described as coming with the frost and dew, during the wet seasons. These are the precise weather conditions for mushrooms to thrive. And finally, manna is described as a bread. Although translations have obscured the intent of this passage, it seems to be a description of how to find and identify manna and distinguish it from other non- psychoactive (or possibly lethal) mushrooms. Look for the small round things which are like bread, come with the rain, and seem to have heavenly (bluish) coloring. Psilocybe mushrooms also sprout in tiny pin heads which branch out in all directions and bear a resemblance to hear frost. It is also interesting to note that Moses tells the children of Israel that manna comes directly from Heaven to test them on whether or not they will walk in God's law. Here is evidence that manna was endowed with unusual spiritual powers, like those of magic mushrooms. However, manna does not automatically confer spiritual power. Instead, it serves as a test. Magic mushrooms would provide visionary experiences that would certainly test all who ingested them. Moses also said that the manna is literally the "bread of the lord" which is remarkably similar to the literal Aztec name for psilocybe mushrooms, "flesh of the gods." But how and why did the manna suddenly appear? Again referring to the Bible, it is clear that the children of Israel had journeyed to a land where there was dew in the morning. As a large, nomadic tribe, the Israelites brought a lot of cattle and sheep together in the area. That meant a great deal of manure. The change of climate from the arid lands of Egypt to the dewy climate of the wilderness created ideal conditions for the propagation and spread of psilocybe mushrooms in livestock dung. In Exodus 12: 19-20, we find more
[CTRL] Proposed legislation in Mississippi would....
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- === NEWS FROM THE LIBERTARIAN PARTY 2600 Virginia Avenue, NW, Suite 100 Washington DC 20037 World Wide Web: http://www.LP.org === For release: January 31, 2000 === For additional information: George Getz, Press Secretary Phone: (202) 333-0008 Ext. 222 E-Mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED] === Proposed law in Mississippi would (ahem) get a grip on public priapism WASHINGTON, DC -- There's a new contender for the year's dumbest proposed law: A bill in Mississippi that would make it a crime -- punishable by a year in jail -- for a man who is, ahem, sexually aroused (but fully clothed) to appear in public. "Talk about hitting below the belt!" said George Getz, Libertarian Party press secretary. "Are phallic felonies really so frequent in Mississippi that the state needs a Private Parts Police to patrol men's underwear?" The bill in question -- SB 2013, introduced by Republican State Senator Tom King -- is currently being considered by the Mississippi Senate Judiciary Committee. It would redefine public indecency to include the showing of "covered male genitals in a discernibly turgid state." Violators could face up to a year in prison and a $2,000 fine. But wait a second, say Libertarians: Is public tumescence really a problem that is, ahem, popping up all over in Mississippi? Not even the bill's sponsor thinks so. State Senator King says the bill is intended to regulate the behavior of patrons at strip clubs. "Unfortunately, King followed the First Rule of Politics: When in doubt, legislate," said Getz. "That's why America has so many of these kind of absurd laws." In fact, the proposed Mississippi law joins a long list of laughable legislation, he noted: * In Lexington, Kentucky, it's illegal to carry an ice cream cone in your pocket. * In St. Louis, Missouri, it's illegal to sit on a street curb and drink beer from a bucket. * In Arkansas, it's illegal for the Arkansas River to rise higher than the Main Street Bridge in Little Rock. * In Pocatello, Idaho, "the carrying of concealed weapons is forbidden, unless same are exhibited in public view." * In Utah, it's against the law to fish from horseback. * In Wilbur, Washington, it's illegal to ride an ugly horse. * In Jonesboro, Georgia, it's illegal to say, "Oh boy!" * In Devon, Connecticut, it's illegal to walk backwards after sunset. * In Harthahorne, Oklahoma, it's illegal to put a hypnotized person in a display window. * In Frankfort, Kentucky, it's illegal to shoot off a policeman's tie. * In Zion, Illinois, it's illegal to give cigars to cats or dogs. * And in Bexley, Ohio, it's illegal to put a slot machine in an outhouse. What SB 2013 and those other laws reveal, said Getz, is that politicians have too much time on their hands and too much power at their disposal. "Unless someone is putting Viagra in the water supply in Mississippi, a bill that regulates what goes on in your underwear sounds like a silly solution in search of a non-problem," he said. "Of course, if this legislation applied to Bill Clinton's White House -- where presidential priapism is a perpetual problem -- it might be a little more understandable." On the other hand, there is one good thing Libertarians can say about SB 2013, said Getz: At least it's just limited to Mississippi. "Thank goodness this crime hasn't been federalized yet," he said. "If that happened, we'd all have to worry about the Federal Erections Commission." -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: 2.6.2 iQCVAwUBOJgPENCSe1KnQG7RAQHBgAQAnpQV7K0SWM5L9JhusrEUWN01vI7l09gS 66fm4pkYBCL4nbFXgazlwFwwupCuXdWjcvHi8B+9El0kEIOxGKw99CGLp4J7V6kM juL5nWwJrDrSawX7PVDyJwr6/yuIY5UqJNMbaJldfTRSBGw/VPyFXq937mqx6iCY /eXW1Um1GMs= =L4fk -END PGP SIGNATURE- The Libertarian Party http://www.lp.org/ 2600 Virginia Ave. NW, Suite 100 voice: 202-333-0008 Washington DC 20037 fax: 202-333-0072 For subscription changes, send a message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with just the word "subscribe" or "unsubscribe" in the subject line. Or use the WWW form at: http://www.lp.org/lp-announce-form.html --part1_2b.15b1d43.25c9abf0_boundary-- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths,
[CTRL] Ben Partin and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- Subject: Ben Partin and Waco Suits for Waco Suckers From: "Carol A. Valentine" [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Sun, 30 Jan 2000 13:48:54 -0500 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I had a recent exchange with a person who read "Waco Suits for Waco Suckers" in the Burial Gallery of the Waco Holocaust Electronic Museum. The direct URL is: http://www.public-action.com/SkyWriter/WacoMuseum/burial/page/b_wsws.html (See sections 4c, "the Fireball and the Hole" and 4d, "General Partin Goes Down in Flames.") This person responded to my treatment of Partin as follows: Interesting reading, Carol. I think you're too harsh on Partin, however. *Something* made the hole in the roof of the concrete room. It's probable that he hasn't seen the autopsies, and so is only making a reasonable assumption that an explosion on the roof of the room would subject the interior to a spray of concrete rock shrapnel, killing anyone inside who might be alive. In any event, it makes little sense to have him lie about Waco if he's telling the truth about OKC. Here is my response: Of course we know SOMETHING caused the hole in the roof of the concrete room. But there is a reason Ramsey Clark and Gordon Novel asked Partin to write an affidavit, and not you or me. Partin is a munitions expert. We are not. Partin was not asked for a "reasonable assumption." He was asked for expert opinion. In his affidavit, Partin gave his *expert* opinion about the hole in the roof of the concrete room and the fireball. As an *expert,* he said the fireball appeared over the roof and was part of the phenomenon that caused the hole. As an *expert* we might expect Partin to base his opinion on the evidence. But the evidence contradicts Partin. The fireball did not appear over the roof of the concrete room. Therefore the fireball was not part of the phenomenon that caused the hole in the roof as Partin inferred. Partin got the location of the fireball wrong, despite easy availability of photographic evidence and layouts of the Mt.Carmel Center. Partin also said the fireball was caused by a breaching charge. So Partin also got the cause of the fireball wrong. Are we supposed to believe Partin wrote and signed an affidavit on the fireball and the hole in the roof without looking at the photographic evidence and layout diagrams, and Partin pontificated about the deaths of the mothers and children without looking at the autopsies? What WAS Partin basing his analysis on, if not the evidence? Ian Goddard e-mails? Or does the same military intelligence unit write the scripts for Partin and Goddard? Twice during the last several years I have confronted Partin at public meetings and interrupted him as he was spooning out Waco disinformation--disinformation about the concrete room and the bodies of the women and children. The first confrontation occurred before dozens of people at the 1997 Surveillance Expo (organized by Jim Ross of Ross Engineering in N. Virginia). When I spoke up, Partin just tried to shut me up. On one occasion Partin addressed the critical issues I raised with these words: "Details, details, details." If details are beyond an explosives expert, I'd hate to be around when one of his bombs go off. They'd probably go off an hour early, in his back pocket. I had a second confrontation with Partin at a meeting of the Sarah McClendon Study Group in Washington DC. The results were pretty much the same. He just ignored my questions and went on with his script. On neither occasions did Partin seem to be even remotely embarrassed. After both events I approached Partin and spoke to him amicably. Because we have known each other slightly over a number of years and because we both live in the N. Virginia area, I invited Partin to my office to have a look at ALL the relevant evidence on my very own computer. Despite my repeated invitations and his knowledge of my phone number, Partin never called me to take me up on the offer. That is, he did not call me until the evening of January 5, 2000. Someone had faxed him a copy of "Waco Suits for Waco Suckers." What did Partin have to say about my representation of him? He had one correction: He told me he had never worked at McDill Air Force base! I told Partin that if he had any disagreement about my representation of him, he should put it in writing and send it to me. So far I have received nothing. If Partin was real, surely he would not hesitate to commit himself to writing and correct me. Have you ever noticed that fakes are so full of hubris they think no one notices their pants are on fire? Now to address your question: Why would Partin furnish what seems like a credible analysis of the OKC blast? Let me go back to my meeting with Partin at the Sarah McClendon Study Group some years ago. During question time someone asked who was behind the OKC bombing. Believe it or not, Partin said the *commies* were
Re: [CTRL] Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch
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Richard Sampson wrote:
http://www.accesswaco.com/auto/feed/news/local/2000/01/28/949107772.08003.4415.0429.html
Artillery shells pound Coryell County ranch
A reservist unit (Hotel Battery, 3rd Battalion, 14th Marines, 4th Mar Div.,
Richmond) did the same thing back in the summer of 1990. Several phosphorus
rounds in a 'fire for effect' training exercise hit a farm, totally melted
a tractor, burned much of the crops, and were working their way towards the
farmer's house before the forward observers realized that the rounds were
*way* off target and called for a cease fire. Luckily no one on the farm
was hurt. What happened was that there was a misunderstanding in the
communications from the 'Fire Direction Control' (FDC) to the artillery
gunners, and the wrong 'color' bags of powder were loaded into the guns.
If I'm not mistaken, the two types of powder bags Marine artillery uses
are 'white' and 'green' -- and one is a lot more powerful then the other.
Instead of say, three 'white' bags, three 'green' bags were used (or visa
versa), sending the rounds not merely off the range, but miles off the base
into the farmer's field. Since the rounds had timed fuses, they burst in
the air over the farmer's field, sending burning phosphorus all over the
place. Further, burning phosphorus is almost impossible to put out, which
is why it's in these rounds in the first place, whereby making the damage
that much more serious. From what I heard, the fire department had a hell
of a time trying to save what was left of the farm. It even made the
national news that night.
For safety reasons, after the guns are loaded, but before any rounds are
fired, a gunner visually signals to the XO and other officers in the 'pit'
the color and number of bags loaded into the guns, and the officer gives
the go ahead to send the rounds down range; but for some reason nobody
noticed the mistake. Also, the FDC has a computer that compiles the data
sent by the forward observers and tells the FDC everything they need to
know, including the exact time it takes for the rounds to leave the guns
until they hit their target -- the 'splash' time. In fact, someone recently
posted on CTRL that this data for guiding artillery rounds is so important
to the 'grunches' and 'territorial gangsters' called 'gubbmint' that
(according to Col. L. Fletcher Prouty, or R. Buckminster Fuller, I believe,
perhaps someone else) it's one of the main reasons why the first computers
were ever built. (On second thought, it's possible I saw it on one of those
war shows always playing on The Learning Channel; I'm not sure where I
heard it -- but I am sure that I recently heard it somewhere).
Basically what happens is that a forward observer calls in a grid for a
target to the FDC. The FDC plots the data and sends it to the gunners, who
fire a round. Shortly after the round is fired, the radio operator in the
FDC notifies the forward observers a second or two before 'splash' to give
a heads up that the round is about to hit; the forward observer then pops
his head up, watches the target and sends back correction data ('drop',
'add', 'left', or 'right') to the FDC. Thus, when the forward observer kept
getting calls for 'splash' from the FDC and no rounds were hitting
*anywhere* on the firing range, something was obviously amiss. By the
time 'cease fire' was called, it was too late and the farm was in ruins.
Needless to say, several of the battery's officers were discharged under
other then honorable conditions; although the battery was still deployed in
the Gulf 'conflict' that winter and was decorated for their performance in
making every Iraqi troop position they encountered look like that poor
farmer's farm.
'Brainfart' mistakes like this sometimes happen; no conspiracy here, IMO.
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Re: [CTRL] MANNA FROM HEAVEN
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: There are other descriptions of manna. In commemoration of the Deucalion flood, the people of Athens observed a feast in th month of Anthesterion, which is a spring month; the feast ws called Anthesteria. On the thirteenth of the month, the main day of the feast, honey and flour were poured into a fissure in the earth as a sacrifice. The date of this ceremony--the thirteenth day of Anthesterion in the spring--is revealing if we remember what was said in the section entitled "13". It was on the thirteenth day of the spring month (Aviv) that the great planetary contact occurred which preceded by a few hours the Exodus of the Israelites from Egypt. The offering of honey and flour as the main ceremony of the feast is also revealing if we recollect that manna, or heavenly corn, tasting like honey, fell on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body." Sounds like something described in Immanuel Velikovsky's "Worlds in Collision", but much more 'hard to swallow', IMO. So are you saying that you believe manna is some "heavenly corn, tasting like honey," that "fell on the earth after the contact of the earth with a celestial body"? Let me guess, this 'celestial body' was not Venus as Velikovsky assumes; rather it was something much more like a giant, intergalactic Honey Corn Pop that shred and rained down bit's and pieces of breakfast cereal from the heavens to earth each morning while it slowly passed? As for myself, I'll stick with Occam's Razor and the shroom theory. As the page I posted noted: Even if psilocybe mushrooms are not manna the similarities have indicated mushrooms as a possible candidate, and they certainly fit the bill for a "spiritual food". Something falling from heaven is entirely different than something springing from the earth. The Israelites just couldn't have been so stupid they could not tell that difference. Prudy The shrooms would sprout up overnight, seemingly out of nowhere. Most importantly, unlike all other growing plants in the world, this fungus had no roots or seed -- something which must have mystified and perplexed the wandering tribe. Remember, they came from an arid land and it is certainly possible that most of them had never seen a mushroom growing before, until their 40-year wandering took them to a region where the mushrooms grew (and eventually outside to another arid region where they no longer grew, thus no more manna for the Israelites). Is it not possible that "falling from heaven" is used metaphorically to describe this process, and smooth over their confusion as to how and why the mushrooms would sprout up overnight, seemingly out of nowhere. A mystical food that allowed seemingly direct 'communion' with God. Mushrooms were also seen as 'winged' creatures, or crowned by a cloudy cap or 'halo,' each carrying a 'message' from God in heaven, the very definition of an 'Angel'. John M. Allegro's book "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross: A Study of the Nature and Origins of Christianity within the Fertility Cults of the Ancient Near East" (1970) has much scholarly info revealing human religion was built upon psychoactive plants, especially Christianity. In effect, according the Allegro, Christianity was the esoteric disguise of a secret mushroom cult whose original content was eventually forgotten. One of the more compelling tid bits that recently turned me on to the mushroom theory with regards to the origins of religion and secret societies is from James Arthur's "Mushrooms Mankind", which I quoted several weeks ago: "Revealing the secrets of Entheogens, which is one of the most closely guarded secrets of Freemasonry (as well as many other secret societies) is something that can only be done by a layman (non-member). This is because if you have initiation at that level you could not discuss it any further. Secret Societies are called Secret Societies because they keep certain secrets. I have spoken personally with High Priests and Bishops (Secret Society Initiates), who simply told me that they could NOT discuss anything with me because of their oaths of secrecy. In fact they were so blown away that I knew the information, that it scared the hell out of them. Entheogens, and particularly the Amanita muscaria, are a HUGE secret. The initiatory rites, into this particular field, are so far up the totem pole of secret societies and religions that when you find those who know, they really freak out, that anyone else knows, because it cuts to the deepest recesses of their self perceived spirituality, and cuts to the center of their most secret God/Society given indoctrination experiences. They have this certain look in their eyes, and unless you somehow are perceived as a threat to them, they invariably have the need to tell you that they DO know what you are talking about (which is likely a violation of oath in itself), but they CAN NOT
Re: [CTRL] Bush will be next President
-Caveat Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/" /A -Cui Bono?- "Prudence L. Kuhn" wrote: In a message dated 01/30/2000 11:36:56 AM Eastern Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Bush Jnr. will be the next US President, and all the Bullshit until after the election, is just to keep the illusion of Democracy alive. He'll be exactly the same kind of president that Reagan was. He will take direction nicely. Much as your #1 butt-buddy Clintoon does, Prudy? As the commander-in-thief admitted in Ireland about a year and a half ago, his job is basically to sign what his advisors put in front of him to sign, no more, no less. If you liked Reagan, vote for George W. Prudy Why anyone would support any of the Dem and GOP hucksters and yes-men running (or who have run) for el presidente, is beyond me. As Kris once put it: the Dems and GOP are "twittily dee and twittily dumb", mere flatterers and lickspittles for the powers that be -- two sides of the same coin. How anyone who has subscribed CTRL for any length of time could even remotely support any of these fools and scoundrels is even more absurd -- especially Prudy and the unfailing support she has given of her beloved Clintoons over the years. The practical difficulty with our government has been that most of those who have administered it have taken it for granted that the Constitution, as it is written, was a thing of no importance; that it neither said what it meant, nor meant what it said; that it was gotten up by swindlers... who said a great many good things, which they did not mean, and meant a great many bad things, which they dared not say; that these men, under the false pretense of a government resting on the consent of the whole people, designed to entrap them into a government of a part, who should be powerful and fraudulent enough to cheat the weaker portion out of all the good things that were said, but not meant, and subject them to all the bad things that were meant, but not said. And most of those who have administered the government, have assumed that all these swindling intentions were to be carried into effect, in place of the written Constitution -- Lysander Spooner, 1867 A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion informational exchange list. Proselytizing propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soap-boxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory'with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright fraudsis used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Astro-Theology - Retelling an Ancient Story
-Cavet Lector- A HREF="http://www.ctrl.org/"www.ctrl.org/A -Cui Bono- Is the 'Son of God' actually a metaphor for the 'SUN of God'? from: a href="http://www.bbcoa.com/astro.html"Astro-Theology/a Retelling an Ancient Story, by Jordan Maxwell The Judaic-Christian Bible tells a wonderful story. It is, in fact, often referred to as "The Greatest Story Ever Told". And so it is! You are now about to find out why! In the New Testament of Christian Bible, a provocative and most serious challenge is laid on the whole of Christianity. Since it bears directly on our subject, we will quote it: "...if Christ be not risen, then our preaching is in vain, and your faith is also in vain. Yea, and we are found false witnesses of God .. And if Christ be not raised, your faith is vain; ye are yet in your sins." (I Cor 15:14, 15, 17) In the New Testament there is a warning given to all who would build a house. Namely, before you lay the foundation, find out what the foundation itself will rest on - solid rock, or sand? The reason is obvious... or said another way; "You need to stand under the foundation to get a true under-standing!" THE FOUNDATIONS Let's closely examine the original, conceptual foundations of the faith, and then decide "...if Christ be not risen. " But in order to do that, we must go back, not 2.000 years to the birth of Christ, but 8 to 10,000 years to the birth of modern man. For when one seeks to establish foundations, one must begin at the beginning. Many thousands of years ago in what we refer to as the the "primordial world" of the ancients, human life was a far different experience to that which we enjoy today. While it is true that we have less documentation on that prehistoric world than we have on our own age, ample enough is known from the ancient writings to paint a rather clear picture of our primitive ancestry. If we have learned anything at all, it is this: The more we change, the more we stay the same. And nowhere is this more clearly demonstrated than in the history of man's quest for "God", and the ancient religion we still keep holy today. According to the best understanding we have gleaned from the available records, life for our ancient forefathers was a mixture of wonder and fear. Each day, just finding food for one's family without becoming a meal yourself for the roaming predatory animals, was a life and death struggle. (If you have ever ventured out on a cold night with insufficient clothing, and without friend or family near, you could quickly see how fearful the dark, cold primordial nights could be) And then came winter! It was from these meager, distressful conditions of the human race that our long history of the search for God and meaning has come. Any evolution, at it's most accelerated rate, is always agonisingly slow. But from the beginning, man's' profound questions demanded answers. When no clear answer were forthcoming from the universe, man turned inward, and developed his own. Keep in mind that all the theological teachings of the Western World were developed in the Northern Hemisphere. The study of this Subject is properly called - "Astro-Theology" or, "The Worship of the Heavens". ASTRO-THEOLOGY This is the first, original, and therefore the oldest, and most respected story on Earth! It did not take ancient man very long to decide that in this world the single greatest enemy to be feared was the darkness of night, and all the unknown dangers that came with it. Simply stated, man's first enemy was darkness. Understanding this one fact alone, people can readily see why the greatest and most trustworthy friend the human race could ever have was by far, heaven's greatest gift to the world ... that Glorious Rising Orb of Day ... the SUN With this simple truth understood, we can now begin to unravel an ancient and wonderful story. Today, as in all mankinds' history, it has once again been told anew. Modern-day Christianity has often belittled our ancient ancestors who are not here to defend themselves. They falsely accuse that they were nothing more than ignorant worshippers of the sun. Therefore we can, with assurance, summarily dismiss thousands of years of human spirituality as ignominious myth, believed by well-meaning, but gullible primitives. Too much of this kind of spiritual arrogance and religious pride has continued without challenge. The time has come to set matters straight. THE CHALLENGE First. no people of the ancient world believed the "Sun" to be "God". That belongs in the "disinformation file". In point of fact, every Ancient culture and nation on Earth have all used the Sun as the most logically appropriate symbol to represent the Glory of the unseen Creator of the heavens. Here it is important to remember two points. First, with the exception of Japan, the ancient world mythologies always understood the Sun to be masculine in qualities, and
Re: [CTRL] Khazars
-Caveat Lector-
William Shannon wrote:
You've placed your "trust" in a book, written by men via consensus, that
purports to be, but certainly isn't,"god's word"...
from:
Peter McWilliams
http://www.mcwilliams.com/books/aint/403a.htm
The Bible can be used to praise or condemn practically any human activity,
thought, belief, or practice. As with the works of Shakespeare, if one
looks carefully, one can find a quotation, incident, or story to support or
undermine anything.
Alas, this practice has been used by many people to justify their own
prejudices (by proving that "God thinks this way, too"), as a justification
for grabbing and holding power ("It's not what I want, it's what God
wants!"), or as the perfect excuse for not taking a fearless look at
themselves and making necessaryalthough admittedly uncomfortable
personal changes in attitude and behavior.
It's not the Bible itself that condemns... but the misuse of the Bible by
petty, fearful, manipulative, or misguided individuals who deceptively
quote from the Bible not as an illumination of truth, but as a
justification of their own limited point of view. Allow me to quote Alan
Watts at length. He says all I want to say here, and says it much better
than IIn my estimation, he was one of the finest philosophers of this
century. Although he had a master's in theology and a doctorate in
divinity, he seldom had the pretension of calling himself "Dr. Watts"
(although, while an Episcopal priest, he probably tolerated the obligatory
"Father Watts"). As fine as his writing is, I find his recorded lectures
even more delightful. (His tapes and several books are available from his
son, Mark Watts, P.O. Box 938, Point Reyes Station, CA 94956.) Although
Watts died in 1973, his writings and his lectures are as contemporary,
witty, and penetrating as ever.
The Bible is the inerrant word
of the living God.
It is absolutely infallible,
without error in all matters
pertaining to faith and practice,
as well as in areas such as
geography, science, history, etc.
-- JERRY FALWELL
"[The Bible is] an anthology of ancient literature that contains sublime
wisdom along with barbaric histories and the war songs of tribes on the
rampage. All this is taken as the literal Word and counsel of God, as it is
by fundamentalist sects, whichby and largeknow nothing of the history of
the Bible, of how it was edited and put together. So we have with us the
social menace of a huge population of intellectually and morally
irresponsible people.
"[The Bible is a] translation of Hebrew and Greek documents composed
between 900 B.C. and A.D. 120. There is no manuscript of the Old Testament;
that is, of the Hebrew Scriptures, written in Hebrew, earlier than the
Ninth Century B.C. But we know that these documents were first put together
and recognized as the Holy Scriptures by a convention of rabbis held at
Jamnia (Yavne) in Palestine shortly before A.D. 100. On their say-so.
Likewise, the composition of the Christian Bible, which documents to
include and which to drop, was decided by a council of the Catholic Church
held in Carthage in the latter part of the Fourth Century.
"The point is that the books translated in the . . . Bible were declared
canonical and divinely inspired by the authority (A) of the Synod of Jamnia
and (B) of the Catholic Church, meeting in Carthage more than 300 years
after the time of Jesus. It is thus that fundamentalist Protestants get the
authority of their Bible from Jews who had rejected Jesus and from
Catholics whom they abominate as the Scarlet Woman mentioned in
Revelation." -- Alan Watts
I could not believe that anyone who had read this book
would be so foolish as to proclaim that the Bible in every
literal word was the divinely inspired, inerrant word of God.
Have these people simply not read the text? Are they hopelessly
uninformed? Is there a different Bible? Are they blinded by a
combination of ego needs and naivete? - BISHOP JOHN SHELBY SPONG
As Archbishop Desmond Tutu explained, When the missionaries came to Africa
they had the Bible and we had the land. They said, "Let us pray." We closed
our eyes. When we opened them we had the Bible and they had the land.
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Re: [CTRL] Religion
Nicky Molloy wrote: -Caveat Lector- Well no one ever said - we are all one, we are divine, love everyone - till people started smoking dope. According to some researchers, religious 'authorities' (so-called) have been saying this from the get-go, and they weren't smoking 'dope', they were eating and drinking it: from: a href="http://www.freedomdomain.com/relig.htm"Religion/a There is NOTHING NEW UNDER THE SUN as they say 3. Mushrooms (Particularly Aminita Muscaria) : Yes these little things were also quite a wonder. Where did they come from. The ancient people had no immediate concept of spores. So a mushroom was considered a "virgin birth". Also they immediately noticed that mushrooms came after the rains and they would pick them in the early hours of the morning. This was the "MANNA FROM HEAVEN" that the Israelites would gather. The word "Manna" means "What is it". Well, after consuming it you would probably be wondering "What is it" as you were talking to God. John Allegro has authored one of the most interesting books in the world on the origins and sources of religion. It is called "The Sacred Mushroom and the Cross" and was published in 1970. Allegro was one of a team of researchers hired by the State of Israel and the British government to decipher the "Dead Sea Scrolls" when they were discovered in the 1950's. Allegro was hired because he was a biblical scholar and was familiar with ALMOST EVERY SINGLE MAJOR LANGUAGE including SUMERIAN, EGYPTIAN, HEBREW, CUNIEFORM. His ultimate conclusion (and he was kicked off the team for his opinions) was that Jesus was a Mushroom consumed by the Essenes and covered up to keep the Roman authorities in the dark about the fertility cult of the Essenes. Allegro claims that the ancient people considered the rain similar to God's sperm in that it would fertilize the soil (of Mother Earth) and allow the crops to grow. If the rain was a source of "Heavenly Sperm" then there must be a giant Penis in the sky producing this "Heavenly Sperm", assumed the ancients. Well, after the rain, the mushroom would grow, allowing them to "Talk to God" and the mushroom looked like a miniature Penis growing up from the ground. This, allegro adds, was to them the "Son of God come down in the flesh to show the way to himself". For a detailed analysis of the book Click Here to goto the Catalog Intro. These were indeed the mysteries and only the appropriate priest / shamen knew the exact amounts to take and how to prepare it without dying from overingestion of the poisons. That's why, today, the business of pharmaceuticals and the secret societies are intertwined. snip [image, see attachment] A fine depiction of a mushroom disc separated from Stem. The phallic symbolism is most obvious (with the nymphs worshiping). The disc is the cap of the Mushroom or female part. The place the phallus joins the cap is called the Vulva (in Mycological terms). The Nymphs are worshiping the phallus by dancing in an enticing way to provoke the phallus to join them (the Female disc) in the holy act of creation. An incredible imagery, The hope being, the Phallus joining the cap to form the union of the sexual act. This Picture and Text come from James Arthur's Website and from his soon to be released book "Mushrooms Mankind : The Hidden Meaning of Christmas, The History and Philosophy of Mushroom Symbolism"-Click Here To Visit James has exposed the true hidden meaning behind "Christmas Santa Clause" The word "Papa" from which we get "Pope" means "DOOR". The Pope in religion is the DOOR to the MYSTERIES. The word "Cardinal" means "Hinge". The Dome of the Roman Catholic Church, the Vatican, is also an important religious symbol. We have the same Dome here in Washington D.C., the Capital building and we don't even question it. The Word comes from the Latin "Domas". snip [I just read through James Arthur's Website (mentioned above) this week, which covers this info in depth, (including many revealing pics, such as the one attached -- don't worry, this is the first and last image I'll send to the list). I'll post a chapter from "Mushrooms Mankind" and provide more links later tonight; here is a taste]: Revealing the secrets of Entheogens, which is one of the most closely guarded secrets of Freemasonry (as well as many other secret societies), is something that can only be done by a layman (non-member). This is because if you have initiation at that level you could not discuss it any further. Secret Societies are called Secret Societies because they keep certain secrets. I have spoken personally with High Priests and Bishops (Secret Society Initiates), who simply told me that they could NOT discuss anything with me because of their oaths of secrecy. In fact they were so blown away that I knew the information, that it scared the hell out of them. Entheogens, and
[CTRL] [1] MUSHROOMS and MANKIND -- Ethno-Mycology 2
-Caveat Lector- -- Psychedelics often produce psychotic and even violent behavior in those that have never used them". -- Timothy Leary -- from: 'part two' of: a href="http://www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom2.html"MUSHROOMS and MANKIND/a Ethno-Mycology 2, by James Arthur; Ethnomycologist, Author, Lecturer, Theological Researcher, Shaman, Teacher, Soul healer. More interesting and significant Discoveries Congratulations on making it this far. The "Cradle of Civilization"" (The Enigma Continues) Picture: Book Cover; due out in 2000 (ISBN1-58509-151-0) http://www.thebooktree.com/ 1-800-700-TREE (8733) There may be a reason that this mushroom has remained hidden for these thousands of years. What has become clear, is that cosmologically every religion on our planet looks forward to a time in the future where man will have direct contact with what can be defined as God. The thousand year reign of the messiah, the new golden age, the return of Jesus, Buddha, Krishna, Mithra, King Arthur, etc, etc, etc, is a commonality that is the hoped-for relief to the people that wish to live in peace, and understanding. A time when all lies will be exposed. A time when oppression of the righteous will cease. A time that hinges completely on truth and reality, not societal imposements of those who wish to control humanity according to their dogmatic and sadistic beliefs. This mushroom plays a huge role in the coming dispensation of this "Golden Age". Amanita muscaria: The Mushrooms that shaped Mankind Part 2 "SUMERIA" The Cradle of Civilization. Now that I have written a bit about Christianity, I thought a good place to continue would be to jump back in history about 6000 years to Mesopotamia. The reason I am going here is many of the religions, which come into existence, after this time period, are based on adaptations of the mythologies/stories which are found there. The stories and myths retain their basic structure, but the names of the key players have been changed, as they were incorporated into new religious systems. This is why most religions contain stories of the flood, the creation epic, the attributes of deities, and similar laws of government. Authors, Sitchin, Gardner, Bramley, Icke, and Horn, have written about the extraterrestrial connections in the complex study of mankind, and their so-called gods. Here is my take on the subject after studying this. The clay tablets tell us of the Elohim/Anunnaki who were extraterrestrial beings that came to our planet from the star "Sirius". They genetically manipulated indigenous beings (which they called beasts) creating the human race. In the tales were father-god, An/Anu, his two sons Enki/Ea and Enlil/Ilu-kur-gal, the primary male beings featured in the story of the creation of the Adama/Adam Eve. Enki was very impressed with, and felt compasion towards, the products of this genetic work, namely "us", whereas Enlil was of the mind that the beings were only worthy of servitude. The ancient Sumerian gods, and their feuding acts, have been found in later religious myths with the same basic stories, however, the names Ea, Enki, Enlil, Anu etc, were changed to Ahura Mazda, Jehova, Lord, Ahriman, Baal, Adon, Etc. Biblical myths of Jacob and Esau, feuding over over birthright, are similar to accounts in the Sumerian tales of Enki and Enlil. The Anunnaki, as a whole, were compelled to allot for themselves the status of gods over the lowly humans. The archetypal feuding brothers can be stereotyped and categorized by their respective attributes, Enki is also called Adonai (the "Lord"), and his (divine) attributes are compassion, wisdom and fertility (sexuality), Enlil is called El Shaddai, The lofty Mountan (YHWH), and "Jehova", he was a storm-god (the bringer of vengeance and wrath) jealous and controlling. Therefore "The Lord" and "Jehova" are not one in the same, but two different beings. It was Enki and his sister Ninhursag who performed the genetic manipulation which resulted in the Adama (the ancient name for the first human, Adam and Eve). Humanity was conditioned to be in the service of the gods, but Enki had another plan, which set off a continual series of events, which most adversarial myths, concerning the war over the humans, between Enki and Enlil, were fashioned. Enki desired to feed the humans the fruit of the tree of Knowledge. This he knew was the thing which would open the eyes of man, and multi-dimensionalize his consciousness. This did not go over well with the Anunnaki, and Enki was commanded not to allow us this fruit. It was Enlil that attempted to scare the humans into not eating the fruit by telling them that, if they ate it, they would die. Enki went against the wishes of the high council and was able to convice them to eat the fruit anyway. When the gods saw what he had done, they condemned the act, and insisted that the corrupted humans be exiled from the land of paradise. Enki was man's preserver and
[CTRL] [2] MUSHROOMS and MANKIND -- Ethno-Mycology 2
-Caveat Lector- from: 'part two' of: a href="http://www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom2.html"MUSHROOMS and MANKIND/a Ethno-Mycology 2, by James Arthur "EGYPTOLOGY" Forerunner to Christianity and source for much of the world's Mythology [NOTE: Egyptology is really a dogma entrenched predjudiced study of the Egyptian theology. The true name of the study of the ancient land known as Egypt should be called Khemitology, as the true name of the land is KMT or Khemit. This will be classified, and discussed, in a section of its own.] [Image] Figure 20. Egyptology and the Mushroom Andrija Puharich, in this book "The Sacred Mushroom (Key to the Door Of Eternity)", described hieroglyphic, and linguistic links to the Amanita muscaria. The typical (and obvious) mushroom pictogram, and the Ankh are theorized as symbols for the mushroom. Although much of this information was extracted while one of his psychic voyagers was in trance, this link has proved to be important to understanding Egyptian theology, and as we will see later in undersanding Khemitology. With the help of Egyptian associations to Mithra, the lion headed god, the function of the TUB (in the center of the Kings Chamber at Gizeh) is a key that will unveil the "Stargate". The Aten (winged Disc) symbolizes the mushroom cap with the mushroom gills being stylized as wings. The title of this book is profound, as the mushroom will be discovered as the literal "key to the door of eternity". [Image] Figure 21. The Egyptian Scarab This representation of the Egyptian scarab beetle contains symbolism for the mushroom. The wings (gills), sun-disc, and moon-disc. Look at this closely as you will see the same imagery used later. This is one of the views of the mushroom. Looking at the cap from the bottom. The gills are prevalent. The scarab is considered hermaphroditic, or self generating much in the same way the mushroom regenerates. Male and female within the same organism, it is an appropriate symbol. The central chamber is a place that opens the stargate. (keep in mind that these rituals came later historically than Khemit) This TUB is known to have played a part in a ceremony that was to prepare the initiant for entry into the heavens. The question is: How was this used in such a ceremony? A clue is found in the enigmatic salt deposits found all over the walls of the inside of the chamber. The ceremony induced an "out of body" experience, teleporting the initiant out of body and into the stars. The Egyptians may have had a certain place in mind that this chamber was designed to help direct the spirit towards. Likely possibilities would be Sirius, or Orion. In our time, if one were to try attempting to recreate this journey, there would likely be a desired direction toward which you would want the small portals leading out of the chamber to point. Astronomical alignment should be observed as there is evidence that these portals aligned with certain regions of the sky at specific times, and that the initiate was thought to spiritually ascend through these portals. There have been theories suggesting that these portals were used to direct the spirit of the initiate to certain points in the stars. However, as it is thought that the spirit can penetrate solid objects, a guiding barrell seems an unlikely conclusion, yet all things considered, the jury is still out on that one. Buoyant salt water in this tub would provide a very nice sensory deprivation tank, for death and rebirth initiation. Much like the tank that was used for Amanita research in the movie "Altered States". [Image] Figure 22. The Great Pyramid The Great Pyramid at Gizeh is the sacred place of initiation. This structure's relationship with sacred geometry, it's effect upon, and possible manipulation of, multi-dimensionality, as well as strong theories dealing with energy production, make the enigmatic structure one of the most interesting phenomenon on our planet. The Sacred rite of the initiation. The Egyptian mystery schools gave birth to other secret initiatory orders such as the Rosecrutians, Freemasons, Templars and more. These modern societies elaborate upon, and use as a model, "the tiers of learning", which the Egyptian mystery schools incorporate. Later mystic societies perpetuated the systems, although in a degraded state, due to the actual pyramid not being used in the highest of the initiatory levels. The pyramid was replaced by a room and the sarcophagos replaced by a simple coffin. Perhaps there are still those who recognize the value and importance of these artifacts and still do use them, but if this is so, it is not well known. The likely importance of this, were it to be known, to those who have devoted their lives to this pursuit, they would not settle for the symbolic replacements. Those who aspire to take on the task of advancement, in the orders, are required to prove their worthiness through their proficiencies in the sciences as well as passing severe
[CTRL] [3] MUSHROOMS and MANKIND -- Ethno-Mycology 2
-Caveat Lector- from: 'part two' of: a href="http://www.sirius.com/~holy/mushroom2.html"MUSHROOMS and MANKIND/a Ethno-Mycology 2, by James Arthur Mithraism, a forerunner to Christianity, source for many of the borrowed myths. [Image] Figure 33. Mithras, as a Lion-headed God Many of the ancient gods transcend their respective periods of local worship. Observing their attributes, such as having a miraculous virgin birth, divine manifestation, purpose etc., it is possible to conclude that a certain deity in one culture is the same deity in another. The icon may have a different name, but was most certainly a new incarnation of a previous god. Cultural adaptation of myth is the norm, not the exception. This brings up threads connecting gods from one period of time, to another. Also at any given time there could be several gods, all of whom had metamorphosed out of the same previous god. Such is the time of the inception of Christianity. When the new god Jesus had a rival in the personification of Mithra. A careful examination of these two gods, clearly reveals so many similarities, that in descriptive terms alone they must have been different adaptations of a previous deity. Mithra is the same mythic being as Sol Invictus (Roman), Ra (Egyptian), and Surya (Indian), all of which are sun gods. The similarities between Horus (Egypt), Mithra (Persia), Chrishna (India) and Jesus number in the hundreds. It can be argued that if you trace all of the gods back through time it may be possible to find the original. This original resides in the myths of the gods themselves, as those aspects that remain the same. "Take and eat, This is my body" is THE central theme. All of the ancient god myths contain some sort of a sacramental food, and anthropomorphically this food becomes, at some point, a personification of the god itself. [Image] Figure 34. Snakes and Stones This picture demonstrates the button (first) state, as well as the intermediary stages, of the mushroom's growth . Transforming out of the button/egg infantile state, the mushroom's appearance becomes more like that of a snake. Once the mushroom has fully grown, decayed, and dissolved it leaves behind a hole. This is due to it's pushing the Pine needles or earth outward, as it expands. Around the hole is a white powdery substance, actually the many spores it left behind. This hole resembles a snake's hole, or lair, which is another reasoning for the mushroom's being symbolized as a snake. Most certainly, the depiction of the snake, in the garden of eden, which revealed to humans secret knowledge that the fruit of the tree would make them as god, is a grand myth regarding this association. [Image] Figure 35. Born from a Stone The stone, small rock, and egg, are symbols for the mushroom in its button state. Snakes hatch from eggs, and as the mushroom pushes upward, out of the bulbous base, it is like a snake hatching, shedding its skin, and being born anew. Here we see that Mithra was born out of a stone, entwined with the serpent. This is purely symbolic, as no-one would be literally born out of a stone. Instead this reveales, the god is the mushroom, which in turn is the god. This is the symbolic form representing the birth into the spiritual realm, through the sacred meal and prescribed ceremonies, again, a god birthing scenario showing the god and the mushroom are one. [Image] Figure 36. The Temples of Mithra Mithra initiates would partake of a Sacred Meal in their ceremonies, invoking The Out Of Body experience. An ritually designed sacramental, Shamanic, and communal GNOSIS. The Mithraic temples of worship, known as Mithraeum, are designed like few other temples on earth. Typically inside the place of worship would be rows of bathtubs (TUBS) along the two side walls, or lined in two parallel rows from the rear wall to the front of the main room. Providing places where many initiates could lie down during ceremonies. The TUBS were tools in the mechanics of producing a communal experience. The purpose being, the joining together of the minds of the participants with the universal mind. The next phase being, to exit the planet (physical realm) in a spiritual flight to the heavens (stars). This is a bold expectation to perceive, let alone one you can convince someone they have had, especially if after the ceremony they have not. Filled with salt water these TUBS would become instant sensory-deprivation-tanks. Much like those depicted in the movie "Altered States". A group of scientist's Amanita muscaria experimentation tale. In this movie the experiencer digresses into a primordial state of existence. The plot is clear that this consciousness was exactly what the scientist was expecting to find. The quest is all important in this viewpoint, as the answers can only be given to the questions that are asked. The ancients had a strangely discomforting experience, upon viewing a human body, at death, being consumed by worms (maggots). Their
[CTRL] Secret Societies
-Caveat Lector- from: Secret Societies http://www.freedomdomain.com/secretso.htm Secret Societies control the world. That's all there is to it. They always have and until people wake up and learn their secrets and how they control us, they always will. There are many secret societies in the world today and not all of them are on the same side. Some secret societies create BOTH SIDES, and really work together although it would not appear so on the surface. Probably, the most secret, mysterious, oldest and most powerful secret society is the Priory Of Sion. This is only an estimation, not an accusation. I would not assume they are the most dangerous, although I cannot say for sure either way. They are definitely near the top of the research ladder. I do not consider Leonardo Da Vinci or Sir Isaac Newton to be Evil Men, on the contrary, they were probably wise benevolent Illuminated Rosicrusions. One thing for sure, they were Rosicrusions and both members of the Royal Society and their knowledge did not come from inside them. It was passed on to them . They were Both Grand Masters of the Priory Of Sion. From the earliest times of Egypt and the bricklayers of the pyramids, the MASONS have been a storehouse of information. To protect their trade and to retain the secrets of the sacred geometry sciences, they revealed little information. Later in England, Spain, France and Germany, and on the Continental United States, the lodges were the perfect opportunity to meet together, discuss business, share secrets, and recruit members. Freemasonry in general poses the greatest threat to the world. This does not mean all Freemasons are bad. Some are very good, the only problem is the good ones don't seem to live too long. Secret Societies maintain their power over members through "RITUAL" programming and members are required to share deep, personal secrets with the other members which are used to blackmail members who would choose to leave or reveal the secrets. In the Case of Captain William Morgan Author of the book "Illustrations of Freemasonry", they just killed him, slit his throat from ear to ear and left his body floating in the river. This act caused an outrage in America in the 1830's and the first third party in the American political system was created, "The Anti-Masons Party". There are literally hundreds of books published throughout Europe spanning several centuries revealing the dangerous existence of these groups and exposing their plans. The Masons themselves claim to be victims of persecution by the catholic church over the centuries, which indeed is the way it would seem on the surface, but a deeper investigation reveals the Vatican to be an element of secret societies. In 1776, when Adam Weishaupt formed the Illuminati in Bavaria, he had a plan to draft his organization onto freemasonry and use the secrecy of the Masonic lodges to recruit members from within freemasonry into the Illuminati by telling them that it was he who held the key to the higher degrees. His plan was to create a secret organization that would control the world behind the scenes for the ultimate "benefit" of humanity by making wars obsolete, the poor wealthy, removing racial and national boundaries, removing the responsibility of the parents to raise their children and forming a communist one-world government, but the only problem was first he would have to create a few wars, abolish religion, and many people would have to die in the process. Well, this was o.k. to Weishaupt because " THE ENDS JUSTIFIED THE MEANS" as he was quoted to say. So he figured he wouldn't tell anyone the bad part until later as they climbed the latter and would put up with more in order to retain their position and power in society. Weishaupt went to work to recruit the leaders of society as well as the rich and prestigious. Within a few short years there were hundreds of "Illuminated Lodges" in Europe and dozens in America. At the time of the Revolutionary War and the signing of the Declaration of Independence, the Illuminati were rumored to be working to destroy the republic. George Washington wrote about them in his diaries and discussed the possible links to the Eastern Banking Establishment as well as the dissension in his ranks being possibly attributed to their propaganda. The Illuminati seized on their opportunity to grab power in 1789 in France during the French Revolution. Sentiments against religion and the Monarchy were spread by the Illuminati controlled printing presses and the booksellers pushed all kinds of new propaganda to incite the people to revolution. When it was all over and the people thought they had taken the power for themselves, "SURPRISE", the Illuminati secretly held the reigns of new power in the French Assembly. The Freemasons : http://www.freedomdomain.com/freemason.html The Illuminati : http://www.freedomdomain.com/illumin.html Skull Bones : http://www.freedomdomain.com/skullbones.html The
Re: [CTRL] Don't Talk To Cops
True Patriot wrote: YES you have the right to assure that the person you are talking to is a public servant/law enforcement officer. NO that does not give you permission to ask a thousand different questions. non sequitur When one attempts to assure themselves that the person they are talking to is actually a public servant/law enforcement officer, questions pursuant to the laws and regs are relevant. Likewise, questions which are not pursuant to the laws and regs are not relevant. In other words, one has a 'right' to ask any relevant questions to assure that the person one is talking to is actually a public servant/law enforcement officer, and to refuse to answer any of the agent's/officer's questions until they prove their identity beyond reasonable doubt (but only as long as their PSQ questions are relevant to the to the laws and regs). Further, a public servant/law enforcement officer has, like everyone else, the liberty to ignore others -- the 'right to remain silent', 'right to privacy', etc., -- and not answer anyone's questions (re: First, Fourth and Fifth Amendments). Yet if a so-called public servant/law enforcement officer refuses to answer relevant questions to assure that the person one is talking to is actually a public servant/law enforcement officer, then they may be impostors masquerading around as a public servant/law enforcement officer. Criminals have done this enough in the past that there are now laws in every state against such impostors. scofflaw stopped by traffic cop in uniform refused to produce his (non-existent) license or proof of insurance and instead tried to insist that cop first fill out his "Public Servant's Questionnaire" (PSQ), convicted of obstructing a police officer. City of Billings v. Skurdal (1986) 224 Mont 84, 730 P2d 371 cert.den 481 US 1020; First, the PSQ is not a 'silver bullet'; things could and sometimes do get botched up: the individual in the above case could give information to unidentified parties (those who have not responded to your PSQ); could fail to demand to be taken to a magistrate immediately; could pay bail; could sign a "ticket" (Notice to Appear - a promise to appear for which violation of the promise is a separate crime and which automatically gives the court jurisdiction where it might not otherwise have had any), etc.. Or perhaps his PSQ was littered with irrelevant questions and was thus frivolous and impotent. Further, using the above 16-year old case to 'debunk' the validity of *all* PSQs is a non sequitur/strawman fallacy. During the past year on the FWO list, there have been more then a few credible people who shared their personal experiences in successfully using the PSQ during 1999 (in states from Georgia to California). the same sort of PSQ was held an improper The 'same sort'? What's that supposed to mean? Sound to me like you're pulling out a broad brush and pushing your non sequitur fallacy for all it's worth attempt at discovery, and could not be used during litigation under the Fed Rules of Civil Procedure ( the PSQ included questions about govt employee's Social Security Numbers, home phone numbers and addresses, and details about spouses - all explicitly beyond the scope of the Freedom of Information Act, This is one reason why this particular PSQ failed. The Rarebird PSQ, (and other valid PSQ's) do not contain such frivolous questions such as SS#, home phone#, details about spouse, etc. (Although since one will need two forms of valid ID from any public servant/law enforcement officer to verify the info they provided on the PSQ is correct, asking questions to verify info on the ID, such as their address, is not unreasonable -- there are such things as 'fake ID', and it is not unreasonable to assume a scoundrel impersonating an officer might be using a fake ID). even though two versions of the PSQ on the internet refer to the FOIA as their source of authority). True, one of these basic, FOIA-based PSQ's from the web is attached (see the table of authorities at the bottom, revealing how each question is either directly related to Title 5 U.S.C. 552a, or is relevant in it's own right; also note that this sample PSQ only has 22 basic questions, while the Rarebird and other tried-and-true PSQ's contain over 50 question, each of which has its own cite to prove its legal relevance. US v. Scott (ND Ind unpub 2/4/98) 81 AFTR2d 1076 judgmt entered (ND Ind unpub 10/8/98) and his subsequent attempt to appeal on the grounds that the court should have compelled the govt employees to answer his PSQs was fined heavily as "frivolous squared". They can't be compelled to answer the questions, they have a 'right to remain silent' as well. Kolender v. Lawson, 461 U.S. 352 (1983) reveals anyone may ask questions of anyone else, but that there is no requirement on the part of anyone to answer questions [see also, Terry v. Ohio, and read related cases, such as Brown v. Texas, Davis v.
Re: [CTRL] Don't Talk To Cops
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: .. Forwarded from the New Paradigms Project [Not Necessarily Endorsed]: From: Douglas Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Doug Walker [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Don't Talk To Cops Date: Friday, December 31, 1999 5:59 PM Don't build a false case against yourself. "Impostors use police cars with lights, uniforms and badges too..." from: Report on the Use of The Public Servant Questionnaire (PSQ) by Frog Farmer http://www.rarebird.net/frogfarm/ "Held: The application of the Texas statute to detain appellant and require him to identify himself violated the Fourth Amendment because the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe that appellant was engaged or had engaged in criminal conduct. Detaining appellant to require him to identify himself constituted a seizure of his person subject to the requirement of the Fourth Amendment that the seizure be "reasonable." - U.S. Supreme Court, BROWN v. TEXAS, 443 U.S. 47 (1979) The following is also from the above cited case: "When pressed, Officer Venegas acknowledged that the only reason he stopped appellant was to ascertain his identity. The record suggests an understandable desire to assert a police presence; however, that purpose does not negate Fourth Amendment guarantees." "In the absence of any basis for suspecting appellant of misconduct, the balance between the public interest and appellant's right to personal security and privacy tilts in favor of freedom from police interference. The Texas statute under which appellant was stopped and required to identify himself is designed to advance a weighty social objective in large metropolitan centers: prevention of crime. But even assuming that purpose is served to some degree by stopping and demanding identification from an individual without any specific basis for believing he is involved in criminal activity, the guarantees of the Fourth Amendment do not allow it. When such a stop is not based on objective criteria, the risk of arbitrary and abusive police practices exceeds tolerable limits. See Delaware v. Prouse, supra, at 661. [443 U.S. 47, 53]" http://laws.findlaw.com/US/443/47.html "The application of Texas Penal Code Annotated, Title 8, 38.02 (1974), to detain appellant and require him to identify himself violated the Fourth Amendment because the officers lacked any reasonable suspicion to believe appellant was engaged or had engaged in criminal conduct. Accordingly, appellant may not be punished for refusing to identify himself, and the conviction is Reversed."... "APPENDIX TO OPINION OF THE COURT "THE COURT: . . . What do you think about if you stop a person lawfully, and then if he doesn't want to talk to you, you put him in jail for committing a crime." "MR. PATTON [Prosecutor]: Well first of all, I would question the Defendant's statement in his motion that the First Amendment gives an individual the right to silence." "THE COURT: . . . I'm asking you why should the State put you in jail because you don't want to say anything." "MR. PATTON: Well, I think there's certain interests that have to be viewed." "THE COURT: Okay, I'd like you to tell me what those are." "MR. PATTON: Well, the Governmental interest to maintain the safety and security of the society and the citizens to live in the society, and there are certainly strong Governmental interests in that direction and because of that, these interests outweigh the interests of an individual for a certain amount of intrusion upon his personal liberty. I think these Governmental interests outweigh the individual's interests in this respect, as far as simply asking an individual for his name and address under the proper circumstances." "THE COURT: But why should it be a crime to not answer?" "MR. PATTON: Again, I can only contend that if an answer is not given, it tends to disrupt." "THE COURT: What does it disrupt?" "MR. PATTON: I think it tends to disrupt the goal of this society to maintain security over its citizens to make sure they are secure in their gains and their homes." "THE COURT: How does that secure anybody by forcing them, under penalty of being prosecuted, to giving their name and address, even though they are lawfully stopped?" "MR. PATTON: Well I, you know, under the circumstances in which some individuals would be lawfully stopped, it's presumed that perhaps this individual is up to something, and the officer is doing his duty simply to find out the individual's name and address, and to determine what exactly is going on." "THE COURT: I'm not questioning, I'm not asking whether the officer shouldn't ask questions. I'm sure they should ask everything they possibly could find out. What I'm asking is what's the State's interest in putting a man in jail because he doesn't want to answer something. I realize lots of times an officer will give a defendant a Miranda warning which means a defendant doesn't
Re: [CTRL] J.J. Johnson Surrenders? Or just starts to MAKE SENSE.
-Caveat Lector- True Patriot wrote: -Caveat Lector- Wow. Finally one of you "patriot" and "militia" wackos starts to make sense: bomb throwing and playing solider is NOT THE ANSWER. Note the part about self-appointed officers and read Art. 1 Section 8 about who is allowed ot appoint officers of the militia (the state, not self-appointment). http://www.jj-johnson.com/r2k1.htm Original Message Subject: A Quick Review of JJ Johnson's 'accomplishments.' Date: Fri, 31 Dec 1999 06:45:06 -0600 From: Martin Lindstedt [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] If you want to understand JJ Johnson, then I recommend that you read his book "Cracking the Liberty Bell." Just as one was advised to read a Victorian novel in order to understand the Victorian female 'mind,' one should read Johnson's novel in order to understand the militia-general 'mentality' and its Politically Correct delusions of adequacy. Johnson is, by all admission including himself, the smartest of all the militia generals. Still, while his novel is VERY good at explaining the failure of the militia-general movement (Johnson thoroughly shits on every single competing militia-general -- and none of them whiggeroids have the wit to "get it."), Johnson either still has no notion of his part in this failure, or Johnson knows very well about why this failure was inevitable because he has a vested interest in seeing this idiotic and treasonous militia-general movement fail. In either case, the hero is Johnson's novel is none other than JJ Johnson hisself, although he does disguise his hubris pretty well by calling himself Jay Preston and dying a heroic death in restoring a CONstitutional republican (Evil Empire Lite) form of government before the damp fizzle of an ending. From this novel of Mr. Johnson's the reader is re-assurred that our Evil Empire merely needs to have new leadership devoted to the principles of miscegination (Johnson has a latrino wife in the novel), diversity, and jewdeo-churchianity (The minister of the Liberty Bell Church has all of David Koresh's color-blindedness sans Koresh's alleged sensuality regarding young white pussy). There is no White Nationalist/ Identity Christian Resistance ever making even a cameo appearance in either its political or fighting forms, but rather a few mean old rural rednecks of the common-law persuation voting not to prevent the next Waco if that means saving a nigger or two from a FBI/BATF church fire. The entire book gives a slap a tickle to the militia-general movement, and my best way of describing it would be to imagine "What if another Waco was being pulled on a PC Whigger-Babtist baal-preacher and there still was a functioning militia-general movement that didn't founder because of its inherent degeneracies?" The entire novel is written as if Mr. Johnson was a savant regarding his whigger militia-general compaytriots while at the same time idiotically failing to recognize that each and every one of their failings applies in spades (pun present) to himself as well. This bipolar condition of self-serving idiot/savant status both morally and mentally means that Mr. Johnson is yet another Solipsistic Mattoid Anarchy-Fascist -- and if you have seen one SMAF then you've seen them all. But I will grant that in the case of Mr. Johnson that his two-facedness is of genuinely heroic proportions. If his bipolar wall were to crack we would definitely see a homeric increase in net social entropy sufficient to create absolute thermodynamic equilibrium in the vast tepid rancid pool of ignorance and degeneracy that is the CONstitutional militia-general movement. For a pathological study of the militia-general movement I would recommend downloading Mr. Johnson's first novel at: http://www.jj-johnson.com/ctrb/index.html I would not recommend paying Mr. Johnson five bucks for his analysis of and evacuation onto the militia-general movement, but I am sure that anything other than a poke in the eye with a sharp stick will be acceptable if sent to Mr. Johnson at his militia headhind quarters. See also "the Mattoid Syndrome: http://www.webaccess.net/~comminc/Mattoid.html Dr. Lothrup Stoddard's 1922 Classic "The Revolt AGAINST Civilization" http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/revltciv.html "Cult of the Me-God" at http://www2.mo-net.com/~mlindste/me-god.html --Martin Lindstedt Resistance Political Front DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence
Re: [CTRL] Yeltsin Says He'll Resign Early, Puts Putin in Power
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: It's hardly about political systems, or even about economic systems. THE CONSPIRACY that we ordinary folks MUST overcome is not a paranoid illusion, or a figment of imagination, it is the historical and ongoing problem of RULE BY ELITES. Democracy was supposed to change that but it too has been co-opted by Elites and their wannabe flunkies. An interesting theory on the 'historical and ongoing problem' and how it's been 'co-opted': 'Heads or Tails We Win, Inc.' -- Bucky Fuller Corporations are neither physical nor metaphysical phenomena. They are socioeconomic ployslegally enacted game-playingagreed upon only between overwhelmingly powerful socioeconomic individuals and by them imposed upon human society and its all unwitting members. How can little humans successfully cope with this greatest of all history's invisible Grunch of nonhuman Giants? First of all, we humans must comprehend the giants' games and game-playing equipment, rules and scoring systems. But before we can comprehend their game-playing, we must study the history and development of giants themselves. One of my many-years-ago friends, long since deceased, was a giant, a member of the Morgan family. He said to me: "Bucky, I am very fond of you, so I am sorry to have to tell you that you will never be a success. You go around explaining in simple terms that which people have not been comprehending, when the first law of success is, 'Never make things simple when you can make them complicated.'" So, despite his well-meaning advice, here I go explaining giants. ...In ancient North China a new kind of giant had developed long, long before Roland's time a three-component-parts giant, i.e., the little man, with a club, mounted on a horsewho could and did overwhelm the big, onfoot, tribe-leading shepherd. This new composite giant, the horse-mounted bully, could divert to his sole advantage as much as he wanted of the life-support productivity of the on-foot peasantry.(Pa ys = land; ped = foot = ped ant = pa ys antry = peasantry = combination of on the land and on foot = pa y of lands = pa of patriot = pa of pagans = patois = po-gan, pa-gan peasantry.) The horse-mounted, clubwielding bully assertedas do the twentieth-century racketeersthat he owned the land on which the shepherds were grazing their sheep or the farmers were growing their crops. There was no way in which the shepherd could realistically contradict the bully. Each night, many of the shepherd's sheep disappeared until the shepherd agreed to "accept" the horse-mounted bully's "protection." This was the origin of "property." The most powerful amongst the leaders of gangs of horsemen became the emperor. The emperor rewarded his henchmen with deeds to the land in proportion to the deeds at arms they performed for him. There is no historical record of religion founders who have been so bold as to assert that God had deeded land to anyone. History shows that religious leaders have, however, frequently complied with their king's instructions to plant a cross or other symbol of God's approval of their king's sword-accomplished vast lands-seizure and ownership-claiming. [...] As a consequence of all the foregoing, a half-millennium after Roland a new and overwhelmingly greater form of invisible seagoing and land-strutting giants appeared on planet Earth. This was a legally contrived, abstract giant "legal" because the physically uncontradictable "topsword" king decreed it was legal. Having the most favored privileges accorded real humans, the giant, abstract, corporate "man" is inventively created in 1390 in England. (The corporate "human" may have been invented in ancient Babylon to cover the potentates' voyaging venture, but we have as yet no written record of such.) "His" abstract name is the "Merchant Venturers Society." This composite man was formed by the king of England with a small group of his very powerful friends, who lorded over their king-deeded vastlands. By royal prerogative, the venture-financing riskers could not be held liable for any losses of the venture. With limited liability, individuals might sue the company but not the human individuals who underwrote the venture If the enterprise failed and went bankrupt, its shareholders lost their ventured stake but were not to be held responsible in any way for its debts. The creditors of the company were the losers, and not the shareholders. Bankruptcy could reflect no credit stigma upon the companies' shareholders. The shareholders were held absolutely blameless for any misfortunes of their ships' crew or for damage caused by collision of their ship with another ship. If the ship and its cargo were lost, the shareholders lost their original shares, but no more. As long as the ship operated successfully, the shareholders shared its trading profits. Whether the ship was lost or not, the banker who loaned the gold for the merchant
Re: [CTRL] Hyperdimensional symbols
-Caveat Lector- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did anybody notice that this ball actually looked a lot like the (apparent) power source used in the anti-gravity(?) ship the Nebuchadnezzar in the movie The Matrix? Or that it also closely resembled the energy and propulsion system used in the ship in the movie with (again?!) Laurence Fishburne, about a ghost ship that could travel in sub-space or HYPERDIMENSIONALLY by using a man-made "singularity", or the power of a black hole (sorry I can't remember the name of the movie right now)? --Event Horizon. I agree with you there Teo, but as for the Nebuchadnezzar's power source, I draw a blank (which seems odd since I have it on video and have seen it about a dozen times). What scene does it show this power source in? DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Fake Terrorism - The Road To Dictatorship
-Caveat Lector-
Tatman, Robert wrote:
And the Mexican War was equally a manufactured war, created with the sole
objective of opening the way for U.S. annexation of a significant portion of
Mexican territory.
[From the same thread on another list]:
Subject: [fwo] GENL: Re: Fake Terrorism and the Road to Dictatorship
Date: Mon, 27 Dec 1999 08:43:43 -0800
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`Under the slogan "Remember the Maine", Americans went to war with
Spain, wresting from that nation ownership of what is now much of the
American southwest.
Actually, the southwest was taken in a earlier crime spree during the 1840's
that the then-alleged "government of the united states" managed to provoke
the then-alleged "government of mexico" into starting. Thoreau became
famous during this period for being a
"war tax resister"- i.e. refusing to pay tribute to the gang that committed
crimes on behalf of "america's" secret gang of robbers murderers. The
"splendid little bloodbath" of 1898 gave the secret gang of robbers
murderers a bunch of Caribbean Pacific possessions, including the
Phillippines, and marked the beginning of the gang's status as a
"recognized world power".
While several American Presidents have willingly started wars for
personal purposes, perhaps no President has ever carried it to the
extreme that Bill Clinton has.
I disagree here. I certainly do not doubt the mendacious talents for
"improv" fiction of the current dog-wagger-in-chief, but, although his
crimes are blatant numerous enough to earn the "title" for the last
several decades, he is, in the last analysis, just too petty and preoccupied
a crook to measure up to previous hoodlums-in-chief, namely, in addition to
FDR, Wilson Lincoln(not necessarily in order).
Lincoln, to an extent no thug-in-chief had previously dared, trashed
protections of individual rights; denied due process to people not even
charged w/ specific crimes; engaged in the most expensive ruinous war ever
to take place on the North American continent; ordered authorized his
accomplices, especially
"generals" Sherman Grant, to commit crimes against those posing no threat
to them, with the express intention of destroying their livelihoods and
making them dependent on the caprices of jackbooted thugs for their very
survival; he his successors ordered further such crimes, persisting for
years after the official end of the "war"; and he his sucessors issued a
continual stream of lies, distortions, and stupifying drivel, specifically to induce
otherwise sensible people to endorse all of these criminal acts. To cap it all off,
when those oppressed by his crimes were afforded a small token of justice by way of
the shooting of this thug-in-chief while he spent stolen funds
wallowing like a prized pig in unearned undeserved luxury, not only the
shooter, but several others as well, including a doctor who had done nothing
more than perform his proper duties and others who had little or no
connection w/the shooting, were ruthlessly hunted down killed by goons
acting under pretense of enforcing "the law"(so-called). His crimes served
to set considerable precedents for the steady expansion of tolerated
criminality repression of agoric voluntarism that plagues the world to this
day-and because of this, the secret gang of robbers murderers has decreed
that his birthday, (together with that of the first gangster-in-chief, who
was quite a character himself, gaining power in the bloodless coup that
created the high-level gang(aka the so-called "federal government") that
collects tribute for the secret gang) be comemmorated with a national
holiday, and that every concentration campus("school"), crimethink
suppressor("TV", "radio", "papers", "magazines", etc.), local regional
crime-syndicate headquarters("local", "county", and "state" "government"
(so-called) offices), and propaganda organ(public relations offices,
chambers of commerce, etc.) be filled to bursting with effusive praise for
this wretched humanoid organism's "great accomplishments"
and "selfless service"! The only thing he accomplished in any public
capacity was death destruction; the only "selfless" public act he ever
performed(albeit very much against his will) was to die. The good that came
from his acts- the manumission enfranchising of African-descended slaves-
was neither desired nor supported by him. His sole interest was in
maintaining increasing his power over both North South. Clinton's
self-interest may be clumsier and more blatantly obvious- but it is hardly
more "extreme". The myth that massive worldwide crime sprees(often
mislabeled as "wars") are undertaken for charitable or benevolent purposes
is one of the many insidious lies used to gain support- and to blame antiwar
protesters "subversives" when the "benevolent purposes" fail to
materialize as promised.
Ayn Rand put it well (Atlas Shrugged, p. 962):
"...if the ravages wrought by their
[CTRL] Rethinking AIDS the HIV Hypothesis (links)
-Caveat Lector- from: a href="http://buildfreedom.com/aidsdir.htm"Rethinking AIDS the HIV Hypothesis/a -- #TL09A: AIDS: Bad Science or Hoax? http://www.buildfreedom.com/tl/tl09a.shtml "Government lies about practically everything -- why not also AIDS?" AIDS Controversy http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/controversy.htm Powerful quotes from various doctors and researchers questioning the HIV hypothesis of AIDS. AIDS Criticism Resource Guide http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/aidscrit.htm Directory of websites which question the HIV hypothesis. AIDS Mythology Books http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/xjaids.htm List of books which debunk the "Infectious HIV" Theory. AIDS Reconsidered http://www.mmsweb.com/eykiw/aids/aids.htm Contains important information regarding the HIV hypothesis. AIDS-INFO.NET http://aids-info.net/ Important AIDS website; contains many resources. AIDSgate http://www.geniusideas.com/aidsgate/ "Almost as many American men will die this year from taking AZT for AIDS as died in the entire Vietnam War. The same government that brought us Vietnam is telling us about AIDS and HIV. Is it possible that they're wrong -- again? Is it possible that something other than HIV causes AIDS? Is it possible that the "cure" for HIV (AZT) may be killing more people than AIDS itself -- an unintentional (?) mass murder by lethal drugs? Is it possible that you and I can do something to stop them from dying?" Duesberg - Inventing the AIDS Virus http://www.duesberg.com/ "AIDS not contagious -- but caused by recreational and anti-HIV drugs." Exposing the AIDS Scam http://www.webleyweb.com/tle/le951101.html A review of Why We Will Never Win the War on AIDS by Bryan J. Ellison and Dr. Peter H. Duesberg. Review written by Vin Suprynowicz. Fear of Losing HIV http://www.livelinks.com/sumeria/aids/fearaids.html "We do not need another article about the fear of getting HIV. We understand that fear. It has been skillfully and unrelentingly marketed to us by the HIV/AIDS industry until HIV=AIDS=DEATH is accepted without question, without proof, and obvious contradictions brushed aside without regard." HEAL http://healtoronto.org/ "The orthodox view on AIDS holds that it is caused by the virus known as HIV that is transmitted through the exchange of bodily fluids... Despite huge sums of money spent on medical research, there is still no cure, just drug therapies said to slow the progression of the disease, and regular T cell counts to measure health. A whole industry has evolved around AIDS, on which many careers and businesses depend, but which offers little hope to those affected. " The HIV = AIDS Controversy http://alumni.umbc.edu/~akoont1/tmh/hivcont2.html List of many important AIDS websites. Highly recommended. HIV Is Not the Cause of AIDS http://id.mind.net/community/orgonelab/hiv_aids.htm by James DeMeo, Ph.D. Reprinted from On Wilhelm Reich and Orgonomy, Pulse of the Planet #4, 1993. Is AIDS a Lie? http://www.geocities.com/CapitolHill/6443/aids.html The HEMPEROR's three stories on the history of AIDS. Is AIDS Killing Your Mind? http://www.artnet.net/~acharya/truth/aids.htm "What we really need is a condom for the mind, because AIDS is already killing the human psyche. As has been seen, many people have immunities that allow them to survive almost anything of this sort. There will always be some epidemic just around the corner, and some of them will indeed be real, horrifying and deadly. But there is a great deal to be said about ignorance being bliss in the case of a fatal mindgame. AIDS may very well be effective bone-pointing to those who are in terror of it. And for those who are immune to such hypnosis, it may be nothing at all." John Curtis Hunter http://pages.prodigy.net/johnhunter2/hivaids.htm "One of today's most pervasive beliefs is the utter certainty most people attach to the notion that AIDS is a condition caused by a virus called HIV. I used to accept this idea; I've taken the HIV antibody test whenever I did something risky sexually. My first clue that HIV-AIDS was a false connection was a book review in the Laissez Faire Books catalog." Rethinking AIDS http://www.virusmyth.com/aids/index.htm "Is the AIDS virus harmless? Is AIDS not contagious? Are the AIDS tests worthless? Is AIDS medication killing patients? Find out what the AIDS establishment and media do not want you to know..." Scientific Focus on HIV http://www.zolatimes.com/v2.30/aidsexis.html "Does the currently available evidence prove beyond reasonable doubt that a unique, exogenously acquired retrovirus has been isolated from the tissues of AIDS patients? Perhaps. Perhaps not. This is what I invite you to judge. And in case you are inclined to be assaulted by the opinions of overwhelming majorities, you may take comfort from a most venerated, international scientist who said, 'In Science the authority embodied in the opinion of thousands is not worth a spark of reason in one man.' I shall
Re: [CTRL] Politically Correct Jesus
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: Fairytales. Om k Brain researchers find 'God module' Los Angeles Times [re-post] NEW ORLEANS -- No one knows why humanity felt its first religious stirrings, but researchers at University of California, San Diego, reported Tuesday that the human brain may be hard-wired to hear the voice of heaven. In an experiment with patients suffering from an unusual form of epilepsy, researchers at the UC San Diego brain and perception laboratory determined that the parts of the brain's temporal lobe -- which the scientists dubbed the "God module" -- may affect how intensely a person responds to religious beliefs. The researchers said the experiment was the first effort to address the neural basis of religious expression. People suffering this type of seizure have reported intense mystical and religious experiences as part of their attacks but also are usually preoccupied with mystical thoughts between seizures. That led the researchers to use the patients as a way of investigating the relationship between the physical structure of the brain and spiritual experiences. The researchers determined that one effect of the patients' seizures was to strengthen their brain's involuntary response to religious words, which led the scientists to suggest a portion of the brain was attuned to ideas about a supreme being. "It is not clear why such dedicated neural machinery ... for religion may have evolved," the team reported Tuesday at a meeting of the Society for Neuroscience in New Orleans. One possibility, the scientists suggested, was to encourage tribe loyalty or reinforce kinship ties or the stability of a closely knit clan. The scientists emphasized that their findings in no way suggest that religion is simply a matter of brain chemistry. "These studies do not in any way negate the validity of religious experience or God," the team cautioned. "They merely provide an explanation in terms of brain regions that may be involved." Until recently, most neuroscientists confined their inquiries to research aimed at alleviating the medical problems that affect the brain's health and to attempts to fathom its fundamental neural mechanisms. Emboldened by their growing understanding of how the brain works, however, scientists now dare to investigate the relationship between the brain, human consciousness and intangible mental experiences. Craig Kinsely, an expert in psychology and neuroscience at the University of Richmond in Virginia, said: "People have been tickling around the edges of consciousness, and this sort of research plunges in. There is the quandary of whether the mind created God or God created the mind. This is going to shake people up, but (any conclusion) is very premature." Vilayanur Ramachandran, the senior scientist involved in the experiment and the director of the center for brain and cognition at UC San Diego, said, "We are skating on thin ice. We are only starting to look at this. The exciting thing is that you can even begin to contemplate scientific experiments on the neural basis of religion and God." DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy
-Caveat Lector- Another term for the two kinds of Anarchism: "right-Libertarian" (anarcho-capitalist) and "libertarian socialist" (anarcho-syndicalist) from: An Anarchist FAQ Webpage, Version 6.1 G.7 Lysander Spooner: right-Libertarian or libertarian socialist? http://au.spunk.org/library/intro/faq/sp001547/secG7.html Murray Rothbard and others on the "libertarian" right have argued that Lysander Spooner is another individualist anarchist whose ideas support "anarcho"-capitalism's claim to be part of the anarchist tradition. As will be shown below, however, this claim is untrue, since it is clear that Spooner was a left libertarian who was firmly opposed to capitalism. That Spooner was against capitalism can be seen in his opposition to wage labour, which he wished to eliminate by turning capital over to those who work it. Like Ben Tucker, he wanted to create a society of associated producers -- self-employed farmers, artisans and cooperating workers -- rather than wage-slaves and capitalists. For example, in his Letter to Cleveland Spooner writes: "All the great establishments, of every kind, now in the hands of a few proprietors, but employing a great number of wage laborers, would be broken up; for few or no persons, who could hire capital and do business for themselves would consent to labour for wages for another." This preference for a system based on simple commodity production in which capitalists and wage slaves are replaced by self-employed and cooperating workers puts Spooner squarely in the anti-capitalist camp with other individualist anarchists, like Tucker. Right "libertarians" have perhaps mistaken Spooner for a capitalist because of his claim that a "free market in credit" would lead to low interest on loans. But, as noted, markets are not the defining feature of capitalism. There were markets long before capitalism existed. So the fact that Spooner retained the concept of markets does not necessarily make him a capitalist. In fact, far from seeing his "free market in credit" in capitalist terms, he believed (again like Tucker) that competition between mutual banks would make credit cheap and easily available, and that this would lead to the elimination of capitalism! In this respect, both Spooner and Tucker follow Proudhon, who maintained that "reduction of interest rates to vanishing point is itself a revolutionary act, because it is destructive of capitalism" [cited in Edward Hyams, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon: His Revolutionary Life, Mind and Works, Taplinger,1979]. (Whether this belief is correct is, of course, another question; we have suggested that it is not, and that capitalism cannot be "reformed away" by mutual banking, particularly by competitive mutual banking.) Further evidence of Spooner's anti-capitalism can be found his book Poverty: Its Illegal Causes and Legal Cure, where he notes that under capitalism the labourer does not receive "all the fruits of his own labour" because the capitalist lives off of workers' "honest industry." Thus: ". . . almost all fortunes are made out of the capital and labour of other men than those who realize them. Indeed, except by his sponging capital and labor from others." Spooner's statement that capitalists deny workers "all the fruits" (i.e. the full value) of their labor presupposes the labour theory of value, which is the basis of the socialist demonstration that capitalism is exploitative. [1] Spooner's support of "Natural Law" has also been taken as "evidence" that Spooner was a proto-right-libertarian. Of course, most anarchists do not find theories of "natural law," be they due to right-Libertarians, fascists or whatever, to be particularly compelling. Certainly the ideas of "Natural Law" and "Natural Rights," as existing independently of human beings in the sense of the ideal Platonic Forms, are difficult for anarchists to accept per se, because such ideas are inherently authoritarian. [2] Spooner, however, never explicitly states in his essay in what sense he believes "natural law" to exist. Seeking to give him the benefit of the doubt, we can say that his support for juries indicates a support for the evolution of any concepts of "natural rights." In other words, the concepts of right and wrong in society are not indelibly inscribed in law tomes as the "true law," but instead change and develop as society does (as reflected in the decisions of the juries). In addition, he states that "Honesty, justice, natural law, is usually a very plain and simple matter, . . . made up of a few simple elementary principles, of the truth and justice of which every ordinary mind has an almost intuitive perception," thus indicating that what is right and wrong exists in "ordinary people" and not in "prosperous judges" or any other small group claiming to speak on behalf of "truth." As can be seen, Spooner's account of how "natural law" will be administered is radically different from, say, Murray Rothbard's, and indicates a strong
[CTRL] Tarpley
-Caveat Lector- I've been having trouble accessing Tarpley's homepage at: http://www.radix.net/~tarpley/ Does Linda or anyone know if he changed servers, or if his pages are mirrored elsewhere on the web? [Maybe the server's just been down a lot lately, and I've merely had bad luck when accessing it.] Thanks, philately DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Kudos to Kris: High Times article
-Caveat Lector- Kris Millegan wrote: You might check with Prevailing Winds. I don't have their web address handy here, but a search should bring it up. I have the URL bookmarked: The Center for the Preservation of Modern History http://www.prevailingwinds.org/index02.htm Prevailing Winds Magazine is a journal of current events, politics, history, and health. We serve the public by providing hard to access information which effects us on a daily basis. CURRENT ISSUE http://www.prevailingwinds.org/mags/pwrmag5.html CATALOG http://www.prevailingwinds.org/pwrcat.htm -- PS, I live out in the sticks and can't get my hand on High Times either. Please consider posting your article to the list when you get the chance (especially after it goes of the shelves later this week), there are *lots* of us on your list who are interesting in reading it. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy
nessie wrote: -Caveat Lector- An excellent article that explains this tricky subject really well! This article is bunk. It is absurd to talk about "American" anarchism and "Russian" anarchism. Anarchism, by definition, recognizes no borders. If you're one of us, you're one of us, period. We don't care where you're from. It is particularly absurd to atribute the differences between individualist anarchism and collectivist anarchism to national origin. True, it is particularly absurd to attribute the differences between individualist anarchism and collectivist anarchism to national origin, but you must admit there are major philosophical differences between great European Anarchist thinkers like Mikhail Bakunin, Peter Kropotkin, Pierre-Joseph Proudhon, et al. (collectivist), and great America's Anarchist thinkers like Benjamin Tucker, Lysander Spooner, etc. (individualist). Their national origin is irrelevant and at most a coincidence, although their differences in beliefs are not (collectivist v. individualist, anarcho-syndicalist v. anarcho-capitalist, anarcho-left v. anarcho-right, etc.). And although all the beliefs of these great thinkers would not fit neatly into a single 'faction', many of them do, and they serve to give a rough idea of where they each stand, what type of anarcho society they advocate, and how to get there. So while the 'national origin' fallacy is generally bunk, it does not necessarily make the entire article bunk. Both tendencies exist everywhere anarchists exist, which is most places on earth. Both are present in virtually every anarchist individual. We believe that self reliance and mutual aid are of equal importance. True, many anarchist hold a mix of individualist and syndicalist beliefs, but many do not; consider the following: About this time last year when Michael Johnson and Joshua2 were constantly butting heads on this list, it was hard for me not to sum up MJ as an anarcho-capitalist and J2 as an anarcho-syndicalist. It's sometimes helpful to look at the big picture from this perspective and break it down from there. And while MJ and J2 are both political anarchists (even though they might not use that label to describe their beliefs), and most likely believe that self reliance and mutual aid (or exchange) are of equal importance, they can't agree on anything with regards to economics [although they seem to agree to a similar theory with regards to politics: (poli=many/tics=parasites)]. The major differences between the two major anarchist camps are not political, they're economic. Because of this, the 'we' in anarchism is sometimes better left as 'them' and 'us'. I assume MJ and J2 would agree with this point (and agree to disagree on most others). There's a ton of anarchist resources on web. Check some out: You left out one of the better resources (mostly anarcho-syndicalist): http://208.206.78.232/liberty/liberty.html Title: Liberty for the People LinkExchange Member Liberty for the People Texts concerning the goal of liberty and freedom for the working class individual. Anarchist FAQ [Frequently Asked Questions] file Web-Page. Also here. Anarchist Mailing Lists - Join one today! Anarchist Yellow Pages! A Searchable Index of anarchist web pages. Sign the guestbook! Join the IWW! The following consist of electronic texts relevent to libertarian socialist / anarchist theory, philosophy, organising, & history. Unlike many simmilar pages, this page is not simply a collection of links to other sites. Highlighted links denote local material. Because this page may someday move, please copy articles over to your own web space for your own use rather than linking directly to them at this site. Feel free to link to this home page, however. Definitions These are specific definitions of working-class oriented libertarian theories and goals: Libertarian Socialism, a basic definition "Libertarian Socialism", an article from the Swedish SAC. "'Libertarians' - What's in a Word?", article from "ANARCHY! Northeast Libertarian Broadsheet" (from England), about the word "Libertarian". Defining Anarchism, by Jason Justice Misconceptions of Anarchism, by Sam Dolgoff Stateless Socialism: Anarchism, by Mikhail Bakunin "Anarchism", Peter Kropotkin's definition from The Encyclopaedia Britannica, 1910. This is generally considered the de facto definition. "Anarchism: A Matter of Words", by Daniel Guerin Guerin offers the explanation of where the words "anarchy" and "libertarian" origionaly came from. "Anarchism: What it Really Stands for", by Emma Goldman. "The Working Class": what is it? Who is part of it? Earnings: The material rewards for labor over time Defining Neoliberalism What is Anarcho-Syndicalism Anarchosyndicalism by Rudolf Rocker An Opinionated Definition of Syndicalism, by Mike Lepore Anarchism as defined by Grolier's Electronic Encyclopedia What Is Anarchism? from the anarchist Workers Soliderity Movement (WSM) Peter
Re: [CTRL] (2) Legally Piggily
-Caveat Lector- Thanks deeply for posting the Legally Piggily series Bob. I've heard a lot about Bucky, but never had the pleasure of reading any of his works. I've only read the first few parts so far, (look forward to reading the rest after I send this), anyway what I read so far reminded of the following: The Great Voting Hoax! by David T. Freeman (1997) http://mind-trek.com/writ-dtf/votehoax/_tgvh02.htm Part 2. A very long time ago, some people used to openly mislead, oppress, and exploit others. There was no doubt in anyone's mind at the time, that they were misleading, oppressing, and exploiting. It was usually done in such a savage, barbaric way, that there was no possibility of misunderstanding or delusion. Those that submitted to this oppression and exploitation, typically to avoid being killed, were called slaves. As the slaves became used to being slaves, and they had children who were also made slaves; they would sometimes be misled into believing that overall, they were better off simply being slaves, so they resisted their masters less and less. But they always knew they were being oppressed and exploited. They were never truly happy with their situation, and would often yearn for freedom and a better way of life. They were easily aroused to regain their freedom, whenever sufficient numbers of them organised themselves to do this, knowing that most or all of the others would also fight back, and they would succeed. However, as time passed, the misleaders, oppressors, and exploiters, learnt better and less obvious ways to mislead, oppress, and exploit. They became better organised, and more efficient in their ways. They realised that by co-operating with each other, in large numbers, that their efforts were much more effective. They also discovered ways to hide many of the bad things they do - such as by making up many extra words, which supposedly meant entirely different things - where really they didn't, but most people unquestionably accepted their words/concepts as "valid" and "appropriate". They organised themselves into a hierarchy of "power" and "authority", with the "head" of this arrangement calling himself by a name of "king" or "emperor". The others had names of "queen", "duke", "prince", "princess", "lord", "archbishop", "bishop", "earl", "viscount", "count", "baron", "knight", etc. Anyone who had one of these "titles" was somehow perceived to be "special" and "important" - their "status" was "elevated" in the minds of "lesser humans" - who "lowered" themselves when in the presence of someone "important". They defined which areas of land were "their territories", "realms", etc. The general belief was that the "king" had a "Divine Right from God" to "rule over" everyone in "his realm". An extensive religious system was established in support of all this, which also served to "educate" everyone about these ways. They also instituted great systems to administer all their slaves - who were no longer called slaves - they were now called: "vassal", "serf", or "subject". The "king's" will was "law" - which "must" be obeyed by everyone else - or they would be clubbed, hung, tortured, slain, burnt, etc. (or at least that's what was threatened!) But this "system" was often severely and openly abused, above what the "subjects" were willing to tolerate, and above what those "in power" had promised to do, or not to do; so the "subjects" would often revolt against their misleaders, oppressors and exploiters. Even so, this "system" proved to be more useful to the oppressors and exploiters, and was used for a long time. Then, not so long ago, the misleaders, oppressors, and exploiters (many of whom were descendants of previous generations of same), discovered even better ways to mislead, oppress, and exploit. They even managed to hide almost all of the bad, and at the same time, exaggerate the good, so much so, that most people believed that they were finally rid of the old, bad ways. They instituted a system whereby their male "subjects" - now usually called "citizens", could "vote" on who was to be the "head" of the "power" and "authority" arrangement (out of various "candidates" offered to them), and sometimes on who was to administer parts of the "system". They called this new "system" the "government". They also changed most of the other names of their hierarchy of "power" and "authority" to: "president" or "prime-minister", "minister", "senator", "representative", "secretary", "judge", "general", "governor", "attorney", "police", "lawyer", etc. Some of the "lawyers" and others in this new "system" wrote up a pretended "contract" which they called the "constitution". In this "constitution", they (the thirty or so people out of millions) claimed to be "We the people", or "Whereas the people have agreed", or similar absurd and fraudulent claims. This "constitution" supposedly "bound" the "government" and all the "citizens" - even though none of the "citizens" had ever signed it,
Re: [CTRL] a recommended MUST hit...
-Caveat Lector- BARD wrote: - Quality is Hard to Find - Please Bookmark Now - Press the Button for The City Times! http://www.zolatimes.com/ Where have you been Bard? Mr. Millegan has been posting zolatimes.com articles to CTRL for well over a year now. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Anarchism: Two Kinds / Wendy McElroy
-Caveat Lector- Date: Wed, 15 Dec 1999 21:26:48 -0500 From: Patricia Neill [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Anarchism: Two Kinds An excellent article that explains this tricky subject really well! Anarchism: Two Kinds by Wendy McElroy December 13, 1999 In commenting on the World Trade Organizations (WTO) riots in Seattle, "The Economist" asked, "Why were there no anarchists among all those 'anarchists?'." Actually, there were, but the ones drawing attention were the sort who give overthrowing the State a bad name. Salon (almost alone among the media) was more accurate in stating: "Most reports simply labelled the rioters 'anarchists,' missing the fact that many among the peaceful blockaders consider themselves anarchists, too." Clearly, some definition is necessary. The self-proclaimed anarchists who proceeded to "direct action at the point of consumption" (translation: smash windows and loot) were left anarchists. They were attacking an abstraction -- the free market - by destroying the specific property of individual shop owners. The owners were guilty of wrongdoing because, well, they were "owners." This is not American anarchism. Individualist anarchism, the indigenous form of the political philosophy, stands in rigorous opposition to attacking the person or property of individuals. The philosophy revolves around the "Sovereignty of the Individual"--as an early champion, Josiah Warren, phrased it. Whether you prefer the term 'self-ownership' or 'the non-invasion principle,' the core of the philosophy remains the same. The idea is that every peaceful individual must be at liberty to dispose of his person, time, and property as he sees fit. Force is permissible only in self-defense and only when directed at the offending individual(s), not at the representatives of a class. Individualist anarchism rejects the State because it is the institutionalization of force against peaceful individuals. Left anarchism (socialist and communist) are foreign imports that flooded the country like cheap goods during the 19th century. Many of these anarchists (especially those escaping Russia) introduced lamentable traits into American radicalism. They believed in "propaganda by deed": that is, the use of violence as a political weapon and a form of political expression. They also divided society into economic classes that were at war with each other. Those who made a profit from buying or selling were class criminals and their customers or employees were class victims. It did not matter if the exchanges were voluntary ones. Thus, left anarchists hated the free market as deeply as they hated the State. By contrast, individualist anarchists demanded that all voluntary exchanges be tolerated, if not respected. For better or worse, the two schools of anarchism had enough in common to shake hands when they first met. To some degree, they spoke a mutual language. For example, they both reviled the State and denounced capitalism. But, by the latter, individualist anarchists meant "state-capitalism" the alliance of government and business. As a solution to such "capitalism," they called for measures such as free banking. In other words, they wanted to set up voluntary and more effective alternatives. And if such a voluntary society still harbored such evils as exorbitant interest rates... so be it. No one had the right to intervene in a non-coerced exchange. Not even a well-intentioned anarchist. The ideological honeymoon was soon shattered. A major conflict was over the left's use of violence as a political strategy. For example, in March 1886, Benjamin Tucker - editor of Liberty, the voice of 19th century individualist anarchism - caused a national scandal. He published an article entitled "The Beast of Communism." There, he disclosed that "a large number" of communist anarchists in New York City were setting fire to their own property to collect on capitalist insurance policies, even though some properties were tenements with hundreds of occupants. In one fire, a mother and her newborn had burned to death. Tucker labeled these so-called radicals as "a gang of criminals." Individual and left anarchists were fellow travelers no more. Liberty became a foremost critic of left magazines like Freiheit, which ran articles on the virtues of dynamite and instructions on how to produce nitroglycerine. The schism between the two forms of anarchism has deepened with time. Largely due to the path breaking work of Murray Rothbard, 20th century individualist anarchism is no longer inherently suspicious of profit-making practices, such as charging interest. indeed, it embraces the free market as the voluntary vehicle of economic exchange. But as individualist anarchism draws increasingly upon the work of Austrian economists such as Mises and Hayek, it draws increasingly farther away from left anarchism. Occasionally, there are issues upon which the left
Re: [CTRL] Fw: [TheEagle-L] Underground cloning labs near Salt Lake
-Caveat Lector- Nicky Molloy wrote: I will tell you exactly where one of these cloning labs is located. Southeast of Salt Lake City, Utah [where some of the early secret cloning research was carried out] is Little Cottonwood Canyon from: "Invisible Contracts" by George Mercier ...The use of look alikes, or doubles, has a very long history to them, particularly in dynastic settings where tremendous wealth is available for some looting; here in the United States of 1985, Bolshevik synthetic altometons have already produced marvelous results for their sponsors, in both family dynasty and political settings involving important positions held in Juristic Institutions. When common public knowledge of this technology actually will blossom out into the open, I do not know. When the Apostle John was exiled to the Isle of Patmos, he once wrote a story on events he had seen in a vision; John talks about how someday the world's Gremlins, continuing to incorporate deception into their modus operandi like they do, will make a big deal out of a man they will one day raise up for their purposes. Like the inflated, dramatic, and overzealous presentation of Henry Kissinger's intellectual credentials, this man will be shown on a much grander scale working great wonders going about the world ending one tough crisis after another, as the imp goes about his mischief trying to get folks to place trust and confidence in him (just like with Henry); and great political power and authority will be given to this imp. John describes a fellow who will bring down fire from Heaven, perform other great wonders, and then be fatally wounded. As part of the Gremlin deception show, this little imp will heal his own wounds and bring himself back from the dead. This little Gremlin won't actually heal his own wounds, as the world's news media will then want you to believe in furtherance of Gremlin conquests, but actually a double will be brought forth that will have been previously manufactured, while the body of the mortally wounded and double-crossed imp will be quietly disposed of out the back door; and at the present time, excellent genetic doubles are very feasible to manufacture. At the time the world's Gremlins pull off their impending magnum opus theatrics [meaning "great act" theatrics], John tells us that they will succeed in deceiving many people. Few people have in-depth factual knowledge on Gremlin movements, and so few folks have trained themselves to be able to think in terms that Gremlins think in: Terms that involve deception, intrigue, and the use of doubles, murder, and whatever other cranking is necessary to get the job done. Like Tax Protestors never bothering to try and see things from the Judge's and the King's position, by folks never bothering to try and see things from the Gremlin perspective, the result is going to be exactly what John tells us: That many people will be held in awe of this little Gremlin, just like many people have already held Henry Kissinger in awe when they should have thrown him in the trash can, as the little Hitler the real Henry once was. As for bringing down fire from heaven and other magnum opus appearances that John talks about, the holographic technology to create multiple colored images is now also highly developed. Using a confluence of monochromatic radiation sources (lasers), impressive visual images can now be created in an air reception media (just like in Star Wars). The technically impressive show that the world's Gremlins will one day sponsor to try and impress people world wide -- that their little imp is worth admiring -- will actually have been rehearsed in a studio first, before being brought for on some world exhibition stage the Gremlins will create. DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
Re: [CTRL] WTO, Sleepless in Seattle
-Caveat Lector- nessie wrote: If violence is not a wholly appropriate method for dealing with people who exploit slave labor, then the American Civil War was a mistake. The pretense that the "abolition of slavery" was either a motive or justification for the war, is a fraud of the same character with that of "maintaining the national honor." Who, but such usurpers, robbers, and murderers as they, ever established slavery? Or what government, except one resting upon the sword, like the one we now have, was ever capable of maintaining slavery? And why did these men abolish slavery? Not from any love of liberty in general---not as an act of justice to the black man himself, but only "as a war measure," and because they wanted his assistance, and that of his friends, in carrying on the war they had undertaken for maintaining and intensifying that political, commercial, and industrial slavery, to which they have subjected the great body of the people, both black and white. And yet these imposters now cry out that they have abolished the chattel slavery of the black man---although that was not the motive of the war---as if they thought they could thereby conceal, atone for, or justify that other slavery which they were fighting to perpetuate, and to render more rigorous and inexorable than it ever was before. There was no difference of principle---but only of degree---between the slavery they boast they have abolished, and the slavery they were fighting to preserve; for all restraints upon men's natural liberty, not necessary for the simple maintenance of justice, are of the nature of slavery, and differ from each other only in degree. If their object had really been to abolish slavery, or maintain liberty or justice generally, they had only to say: All, whether white or black, who want the protection of this government, shall have it; and all who do not want it, will be left in peace, so long as they leave us in peace. Had they said this, slavery would necessarily have been abolished at once; the war would have been saved; and a thousand times nobler union than we have ever had would have been the result. It would have been a voluntary union of free men; such a union as will one day exist among all men, the world over, if the several nations, so called, shall ever get rid of the usurpers, robbers, and murderers, called governments, that now plunder, enslave, and destroy them The lesson taught by all these facts is this: As long as mankind continue to pay "national debts," so-called---that is, so long as they are such dupes and cowards as to pay for being cheated, plundered, enslaved, and murdered -- so long there will be enough to lend the money for those purposes; and with that money a plenty of tools, called soldiers (police), can be hired to keep them in subjection. But when they refuse any longer to pay for being thus cheated, plundered, enslaved, and murdered, they will cease to have cheats, and usurpers, and robbers, and murderers and blood-money loan-mongers for masters. --Lysander Spooner No Treason No. VI; Chapter 19 (1870) http://www.buildfreedom.com/ft/spooner.htm DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] [Fwd: [fwo] BBAL: FW: [taig-discuss] [Fwd: UPDATE: Copier Report Confirmed]]
Unleash Your Own Liberty Money Machine! http://www.bigbooster.com/business_opportunities/money_machines.html From: JC [EMAIL PROTECTED] I did search using Altavista with the keywords.. +hidden +code +copier and found this document at http://www.naqp.org/staging1/press/copier_fraud.html I quote one part of it... -- "Industry manufacturers are also partnering together, incorporating enhanced security printing features, such as watermarks and holograms, into financial documents. They are also expanding the use of authorization codes and verification processes and producing state-of-the-art (snipped out line spacing) security devices that imbed hidden identification numbers in duplicated documents produced on a color copier or printer. This resulting "fingerprint" can then be used to trace the duplicated document and identify the specific machine it was created on. Law enforcement officials can then track and locate the offending machine and users. Some color copiers have even been designed to shut off when the machine recognizes the presence of a coded message in the original document being duplicated." This is a Press Release that is on the web site of the National Association of Quick Printers (NAQP) which is the official trade association of the quick print industry. I added +counterfeit to my keyword and found this at http://www.sgrm.com/art20.htm It deals with destop publishing being used by counterfieters. The quote below is at the end of the section called "Safeguarding Currency" and deals with desktop scanners.. - "Meanwhile, would-be counterfeiters may also find themselves stymied by security devices that appear on some of the equipment used to print fakes. For more than a year Canon Corp., the leading manufacturer of color copiers and a producer of printers and scanners, has quietly incorporated two anti-counterfeiting features into its business products, says David Farr, senior vice- president and general manager of Canon USA, Inc. The copiers include a specially programmed microchip that recognizes the currencies of several countries, including the United States and Japan. If someone attempts to copy the currency, the copier will print a black sheet of paper instead. "A more subtle deterrent imprints a code of the machine's serial number on every copy it produces. The number is encoded in ``microdots'' that can be printed anywhere on the page. ``Nobody even knows these features are in there,'' Farr says. The serial number can be decoded only with special equipment that he declined to identify, which the company provides to the Secret Service and other federal agencies solely for tracing counterfeits to the copier on which they were made." --- The resources page at this site.. http://www.sgrm.com/Resources.htm has some interesting looking links but I haven't had time to check them out. While these still aren't "proof" it is does tend to endicate that there is more to this than I thought when I first read the copier encoding post. Jack Michael wrote: From: "Michael" [EMAIL PROTECTED] One thing I have discovered as I have researched some of these items, is there is no 'law' requiring implementation. What happens seems to be, that the Pres or some other figure, makes a speech, scaring the bejeeesus out of people and some companies follow like sheep. They immediately enact stupid, freedom removing policies that become the norm for society and since most Americans are more interested in what's on TV then they are on what's really happening in life, they just accept anything and everything. Michael -- -- -- T.A.I.G. - Texans Against Intrusive Government http://www.taig.org Citizenship - Texan First, American Second, World Never. How the founding fathers designed it. Defend the Constitution. - FREE WORLD ORDER http://www.buildfreedom.com/ - Please use the following topic codes in the subject field: ACUR = Alternative Currency LANG = Language of Freedom ARTS = Marketing Freedom via the ArtsMARK = Freedom Marketing BBAL = Big Brother AlertsMETA = List Operation CAFR = Comprehensive Annual FinancialNETW = Freedom Business Networking Reports NUDE = At Ease with Nudity CURE = Cure from Religious Superstition PHYT = Physical Freedom Technology ECON = Economic Means to Freedom POLY = At Ease with Polyamory ESEX = At Ease with SexualityPPIN = Personal Power Influence EXSS = Exiting "social security" PRAC = Practical Freedom FPHL = Freedom PhilosophyPRIV = Privacy Protection FPSY = Freedom Psychology
Re: [CTRL] [Fwd: Why are we in debt?]
-Caveat Lector- Nurev Ind Research wrote: The Grip of Death http://cfoss.com/grip.html If people are told that there is £680 billion of money in the economy, and are then asked if they can guess how much of this money has been created by the government, they are likely to be puzzled. Why, all of it, surely? Surely a government is responsible for the currency of the nation? When people are told that the same statistical release from the Bank of England shows that the total of money created by the Treasury on behalf of the UK Government is a mere £25 billion of notes and coins, they naturally ask where does the rest of the £680 billion come from? What is the origin of the £655 billion which has not been created by the government? If they are then informed that this other £655 billion - 97% of all money in the United Kingdom - has been created entirely by banks and building societies, and that they have created this staggering quantity of money out of nothing, most people are totally flummoxed. If you or I make money, this is called counter-feiting, and we are looking at the prospect of four walls, iron bars and a slim glimmer of daylight in twenty years time. If they then ask how private, commercial companies can create money, and are told that it is their mortgage, their personal loan and their overdraft which has led to the creation of this £655 billion; that governments rely upon the majority of people going into debt simply to create money to supply the economy; that virtually every pound in existence, whether circulating or deposited in bank accounts, is matched by an equivalent pound of debt - if they are told this, people generally stop asking questions. They get that uncomfortable look in their eye. 'This guy is definitely right out of his tree...' Yup, I know that look So what's your take on the bankster conspiracy J2? PS, thanks for posting this. Regards, philately DECLARATION DISCLAIMER == CTRL is a discussion and informational exchange list. Proselyzting propagandic screeds are not allowed. Substancenot soapboxing! These are sordid matters and 'conspiracy theory', with its many half-truths, misdirections and outright frauds is used politically by different groups with major and minor effects spread throughout the spectrum of time and thought. That being said, CTRL gives no endorsement to the validity of posts, and always suggests to readers; be wary of what you read. CTRL gives no credeence to Holocaust denial and nazi's need not apply. Let us please be civil and as always, Caveat Lector. Archives Available at: http://home.ease.lsoft.com/archives/CTRL.html http:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/ To subscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SUBSCRIBE CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] To UNsubscribe to Conspiracy Theory Research List[CTRL] send email: SIGNOFF CTRL [to:] [EMAIL PROTECTED] Om
[CTRL] Who was Philander Knox?
-Caveat Lector- WHO WAS PHILANDER KNOX? IS IT CREDIBLE THAT HE WOULD COMMIT FRAUD? http://www.givemeliberty.org/features/taxes/philanderknox.htm Understanding a crime or a misdeed involves learning not only what was done and who did it, but also what the motivation was. With a clear motive, evidence of the "what" and "who" becomes much more credible. Allegations that Secretary of State Philander Knox was not merely in error, but committed fraud when he falsely declared the 16th amendment ratified in 1913, require us to look at who he was to understand why he would commit such an act. The following sketch was prepared by the We The People Foundation For Constitutional Education and is condensed from Bill Benson's research report on the ratification of the 16th Amendment, "The Law That Never Was," Volume II (1985), pages 122-135. __ Philander Chase Knox was born in 1853 in western Pennsylvania, son of a bank cashier. While attending college in Ohio, he became closely acquainted with William McKinley, then the local district attorney, who was prosecuting a local tavern owner for selling alcohol to the college students. Knox took McKinley's advice and became a lawyer. McKinley, having chaired the powerful House Ways and Means Committee in Congress, was elected governor of Ohio in 1891. Although he owed his election to support from both business and labor, he quelled the labor strike called by Eugene V. Debs against the Great Northern Railroad in 1894 by summoning federal troops. McKinley won the 1896 presidential race with a great deal of support from Big Business, e.g., John D. Rockefeller's Standard Oil contributed $250,000 to the "front porch" campaign that defeated Bryan and his populist platform of returning to the constitutionally mandated monetary system and reform of McKinley's high tariffs that had allowed domestic manufacturers to raise their prices to a level that matched the artificially-induced higher prices of foreign goods, thus causing a severe depression. Knox helped in this financial and political effort that was directed by the wealthy Ohio industrialist Mark Hanna, who was appointed to a vacant U.S. Senate seat the following year by Ohio's governor. McKinley had already been saved from personal financial ruin by help from his old friend, Philander Knox, who had become wealthy as counsel to the very wealthy. Knox came to be regarded as one of the ablest lawyers in the country, his repute due in no small measure to his being counsel for Carnegie and Vanderbilt and their corporate enterprises. He was instrumental in Carnegie's big victory in a crucial patent case in which the most important invention for the manufacture of crude steel was at stake. In 1892, he defended Henry Frick, Carnegie's steel plant manager, who was being sued by the steel workers who had been beaten up by Pinkertons brought in by Frick during the infamous Homestead strike, a strike that was provoked by two of Carnegie's presidents, one of whom was also an attorney for J.P. Morgan. Knox also deflected prosecution and civil suit against Carnegie in 1894 after it was shown to Congress that Carnegie had defrauded the Navy with inferior armor plate for U.S. warships. Morgan himself had defrauded the U.S. Army in arms sales during the Civil War. And Knox averted prosecution of Carnegie after the president of the Morgan-controlled Pennsylvania Railroad testified that Carnegie had regularly received illegal kickbacks from the railroad. Knox's other big client at the time, the Vanderbilt family, was connected to Carnegie primarily through the railroad industry. President McKinley offered Knox the post of U.S. Attorney General in 1899, but Knox had to decline, because he was then and for two more years engaged in arranging the merger of the railroad, oil, coal, iron and steel interests of Carnegie, J.P. Morgan, Rockefeller, and other robber barons into the largest conglomerate in history - U.S. Steel. This immense corporation encompassed the interests of nearly all the robber barons in what Knox's new client, J.P. Morgan, referred to as a "community of interest." One important component of the conglomerate was Consolidated Iron Mines in the Mesabi Range of Minnesota, which Rockefeller had fraudulently swindled from the Merritt family, who later successfully sued John D. for fraud, but had to settle for a fraction of the award because they ran out of money during Rockefeller's appeals. After the U.S. Steel merger, Knox accepted McKinley's offer to make him Attorney General, an appointment that was personally promoted by Carnegie in a letter to McKinley and by Morgan in a personal visit to the White House. The appointment was strenuously and loudly opposed by anti-trust forces, since it would then be up to Knox to prosecute anti-trust law
Re: [CTRL] C-Span on IRS
-Caveat Lector- earthman wrote: From another list this was true - I was there yesterday! However, Senator Orrin Hatch tried to bribe one of the speakers (Bill Benson) not to speak (yes, there was a witness!). Also, C-SPAN must have been threatened because they didn't show up. It was taped and you can read all about it at http://www.givemeliberty.org Date: Sun, 14 Nov 1999 18:07:49 -0600 From: Larry Becraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: Greg Samples [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: 2nd Update on Income tax summit and C-Span To whom it may concern, This last week, the Net was buzzing with information about Bob Schulz's "IRS Showdown II" scheduled for the National Press Club in DC on November 13, 1999. Lots of people expected C-Span to cover this meeting like it did the previous one, but that did not happen. You have inquired regarding the lack of coverage by C-Span and I offer the following. Because so many others have also inquired, please excuse this "form" response which I am sending to everyone. On July 1and 2, 1999, Bob Schulz from New York sponsored his first "IRS Showdown" in DC. Speakers at this first meeting were Bill Benson (author of "The Law That Never Was" which addresses the question of the non-ratification of the 16th Amendment), Bill Conklin, Joe Banister (former IRS Special Agent), Devvy Kidd and myself. Fortunately on July 2, C-Span broadcast the second day of that meeting nationwide and untold numbers of Americans caught it. Lots of interest in that first Showdown was generated as a consequence. Many contacted C-Span and ordered video tapes of the seminar and C-Span has informed Bob Schulz that it sold more videos of that meeting than any other program it has ever broadcast. Bob planned his second Showdown for this last weekend, November 13, because of the apparent success of the first. Of the two meeting rooms on the 13th floor of the Press Club Building in DC, Bob rented the bigger "special events" meeting room; the Press Club has a built-in broadcast studio above this particular meeting room, thus making coverage of a meeting there extremely easy. Thereafter, Bob contacted C-Span inquiring whether it would cover this second meeting like it did the first, and was informed that there was a great likelihood that it would, reserving the possibility of cancellation in the event of some other "more interesting meetings or events." Of course, C-Span does not let those conducting events know about whether it will broadcast a meeting until 24 hours before. When Bob made the arrangements for this second meeting, he was also lining up the speakers. He asked Bill Benson to again attend as well as former IRS Special Agent Joe Banister. Joe anticipated that he could get another retired IRS revenue agent to also attend and this other agent has views similar to those of Joe. Bob contacted Dave Bosset, an accountant and employer from Florida who recently received a "refund" check from the IRS repaying taxes withheld from his employees, and invited him to attend. As for me, I told Bob that whether I could attend depended upon a lack of other obligations for that weekend. Last Thursday, I called Bob and informed him that I could attend the second Showdown. At that time, Bob told me that he expected C-Span to provide TV coverage of the event and he wanted us to spread the word. I did, and you read one of the announcements distributed by me or some other of the interested parties. Bill Benson contacted many with the same message and everyone anticipated that C-Span would televise that meeting on Saturday, Nov. 13. On Friday, Nov. 12, most of the speakers arrived at the hotel at which we were staying early; I did not get there until mid-night. Nobody had seen Bob Schulz before we went to bed because he was driving down from New York. The next morning, we all went to the Press Club in DC, and upon seeing Bob, he informed us of his expectation of televised coverage by C-Span. However, he did mention that he provided a notice of the meeting to all of the other press agencies located in the Press Club Building on Friday, Nov. 12 and invited their attendance. Just before he left New York on Friday, he received a call from a man named Joel Gray, who claimed to be some type of federal government employee; Gray asked lots of questions about the meeting and stated that he had an office in the Press Club building and had received Bob's notice. About 30 minutes before the meeting was to start, everyone was anticipating the arrival of the C-Span crew. But when showtime arrived and C-Span failed to appear, we had to start the meeting anyway. It was a good, well attended meeting and video tapes will be made available from several sources, one of whom will be Devvy Kidd whose webpage is at: http://www.devvy.com/index.html A particular highlight of this meeting was the speech given by Dave Bosset. Dave is an accountant by profession as well as a
[CTRL] What Has the New World Order Done for Us Already?
-Caveat Lector- What Has the New World Order Done for Us Already? by Gregory Alexander Copyright March 1991 As America approaches the next millennium, we confront a grave threat to our constitutionally guaranteed rights to freedom, health, and the pursuit of happiness. A New World Order, managed covertly by the Rothschild/Rockefeller banking system, now seeks to bring the U.S. economy to its knees more thoroughly than it did in 1929. The previous generation of world controllers crashed the stock market by design. First, through the use of front companies, their agents synchronized the sales of large blocks of stock, back and forth, at successively lower prices. This precipitated a panic. Investors large and small scrambled to sell short and cut their loses. Then, the bankers called in the debts. These debts were created by extending credit to stock brokerages who, in turn, extended margin to their retail customers. After the panic had started, selling proceeded until the prices of all shares hit bottom. In the end, banks like J.P. Morgan and Guaranty Trust, both covertly controlled by Rothschilds, owned everyone's debts, transforming the bankers into legal, financial slave masters. When people were forced to sell their land and business assets to cover their debts, the bankers were waiting in the wings to buy them up for pennies on the dollar. Expanded ownership increased their control of the U.S. economy. Expanded indebtedness became the most efficient way to implement gradual slavery without chains. Each generation has come closer to this brave New World Order, a world in which citizens are tenants, their cost of living always exceeds their income, and attempts to escape are electronically observed and economically countered. In order to finance the enslavement of America, the bankers needed gold in amounts that are beyond our normal comprehension. To obtain this gold, they stole it from the Czar, who stole it from the Russian people. In 1917, the Rothschilds financed the Bolshevik Revolution and instructed the Bolsheviks to murder the entire Romanov family, particularly the little children, leaving no heir to lay claim to the vast wealth the Czar had naively deposited in Rothschild banks. Those stolen millions enabled the international bankers to engineer the world depression of the 1930's, and then to buy vast world holdings on the cheap. They bought American banks and companies at bargain prices, increasing their power and influence over the American economy and American politics. They also hired the best politicians that money could buy, including the President, who dutifully placed their men in his cabinet. After World War II, while the American people were still dazed with postwar euphoria, the National Security Agency and its right hand of covert operations, the C.I.A., were established without the full knowledge of Congress. Every cabinet office in the Executive began carrying out the secret directives handed down to them by the National Security Agency, which guarantees the security of the World Order, not the American Citizen. How was it possible for President John F. Kennedy to be publicly executed before our very eyes, with the Secret Service, the C.I.A. and the F.B.I watching? If you think that a lone, crazed assassin succeeded in outwitting an army of security specialists, skilled in the operation of high-tech surveillance equipment, furnished by the limitless generosity of American taxpayers, you are the one who has been outwitted. In fact, any citizen who, by word or deed, upholds and defends the Constitution of the United States, is a threat to the New World Order. The Constitution was written by men who envisioned a country where each citizen would be free to develop his abilities to their fullest. None of these men was willing to trade his freedom for the security of slavery, and neither will we. Not for money and not for fear will we give up our freedom. The authors of the Declaration of Independence were keenly aware of the danger that spiralling taxes would rob citizens of their individual labor.By paying ever increasing taxes, citizens do not get any more or any better services from the federal government. We can and certainly should make better arrangements for our own education and preventative health care and treatment. Instead, we get a bigger C.I.A., waging war around the world against any free people who refuse to relinquish their wealth to corporations bent on seizing raw materials and labor to finance universal enslavement. We get a bigger F.B.I., conducting surveillance on American citizens and targeting opponents of tyranny with harassment and assassination. Witness the fates of Malcolm X, Dr.
[CTRL] Update on NPC Income Tax Summit and C-SPAN
-Caveat Lector- Subject: [FP] Update on NPC conference on taxes Date: Sat, 13 Nov 1999 13:42:16 -0600 From: "ScanThisNews" [EMAIL PROTECTED] == SCAN THIS NEWS 11.13.99 Update on NPC conference on taxes Saturday, November 13, 1999 1:00pm CST Larry Becraft http://fly.hiwaay.net/~becraft/ who is a speaker at the "Citizens Summit to End the Illegal Operations of the IRS" being held at Washington the National Press Club in D.C. today just called with an update. He said they are as surprised and disappointed as everyone that CSPAN is not covering this event today. On Friday, the day before the summit, event promoter Bob Schultz, president of "We The People," received a phone call from a Department of Justice representative, Mr. Joel Gray, inquiring about the nature of the summit and the material to be covered. Although Mr. Schulz thought the call unusual, he placed no additional importance on it at the time. IRS representatives and other government officials were formally invited to attend. None did. Larry said that as expected Bill Benson revealed the name of the person who approached him about not making public his material on the non-ratification of the Sixteenth Amendment, and that the person was Orin Hatch. Larry said that CSPAN told the summit promoter the tax summit held back in July, which they did cover, was THEIR MOST POPULAR PRODUCTION in terms of requests for taped copies of the program. According to Larry, the CSPAN schedule was open for this date, between the hours of 8:00am and 6:00pm when this event was scheduled. Instead of covering this live event -- which was to be an improvement over the prior one, -- CSPAN is running a previously taped "canned" program. At this time no official response had been received from CSPAN as to why this event was not covered in light of the exceptional reception the first one received. Scott SCAN THIS NEWS 11.13.99 A lot of people are asking about the "Citizens Summit to End the Illegal Operations of the IRS" which, it was reported, was scheduled to air on CSPAN-2 today. The event is being held at the National Press Club in Washington D.C. today, Saturday, November 13. http://npc.press.org/npcevents.cgi It now appears that the event will not air live on CSPAN. Presently, there is no additional information as to whether or not it will air at a later date or time; or whether or not CSPAN-2 is even recording it; or, if CSPAN had indicated they would cover it why they may have later decided to not cover it. It could have been a misunderstanding (only CSPAN has control over what they do or don't cover), or it could have been simply dropped from their schedule for some other reason. It may be much later, perhaps a day or two, before the answer is known. The same organization which is putting on the summit today, We The People, also put on a similar tax summit earlier this year at the same Washington locaation. The first summit was covered from beginning to end by CSPAN-2. In fact, it was aired live and it also aired at least 4 or 5 additional times during the following week. This summit is larger and better organized. CSPAN normally covers events of national interest held at the National Press Club headquarters. At the first summit, former IRS special agent Joseph Banister announced that he personally had asked his (at-the-time) employer (the IRS) to show him the statutes which make an American liable for the income tax. He never got a response. He was subsequently let go from the agency. If you did not get to see the first summit, you can read about it here. http://www.worldnetdaily.com/bluesky_exnews/19990326_xex_irs_special_.shtml Also at the first summit, Mr. Bill Benson, discussed his book "The Law That Never Was," in which he proves beyond a shadow of doubt that the 16th Amendment was never properly ratified by the states. During his presentation, Mr. Benson commented that several years ago, shortly after he completed his research into the non-ratification of the 16th Amendment, he was offered a very large sum of money by a then presidential candidate to not make the information public for fear it would destroy the entire tax system. Mr. Benson did not, however, name the former presidential candidate. It was expected that today the name would be released. This may or may not have anything at all to do with the program not airing, or not being covered if it is not. This is what is referenced in the message sent out previously about today's summit. The following information is included only because so many people have been inquiring as to what is going on and why it is not on CSPAN. This may help answer those questions. Information about Bill Benson the man, and his book is available here: http://www.trustclarks.com/theman.html A list of the constitutional defects in the non-ratification of the 16th Amendment are outlined here: http://www.constitution.org/ica_ltnw.txt
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Forget that last email. Looks like it's a no-go. Oh well..
- Original Message -
From: Jonathan Garrett [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: Recipient list suppressed
Sent: November 12, 1999 4:20 PM
Subject: Re: URGENT! C-SPAN BACKS DOWN
Dear Friends,
I just talked to a Viewer Services Rep. at C-SPAN and he said they decided
NOT to broadcast this event. I then called Bob Schultz and he said that was
news to him, however, information will be posted after this weekend on how
to order videotapes of the event from the following web site:
http://www.givemeliberty.org
My original email message follows.
God Bless!
Jonathan Garrett
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This is an explosive news bulletin! I just got off the phone with the
receptionist at the National Press Club to verify that the below email is
not a hoax. The event is called the Citizens' Summit to End the Illegal
Operations of the IRS. The contact is Bob Schultz (518) 656-3578. The Nat'l
Press Club Phone is (202) 662-7500.
If you don't have C-SPAN2 OR WWW, what are you waiting for? ;-)
Jonathan
- Original Message -
From the desk of Larry Becraft
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (Larry Becraft)
November 11, 1999
Everyone if you want to witness history, then tune into C-Span-2 on
Saturday Nov. 13th at 10am EST.
There is a live broadcast from the National Press conference Club in DC and
it will absolutely drop your jaw!
There will be lawyers, judges, former criminal investigators from the IRS,
former Internal Revenue officers, educators, professors etc. They will be
unveiling absolute conclusive PROOF that there is no law requiring ANY
American to file a 1040 federal income tax statement! It is handled from a
position of extensive research and certified government documents to back
all claims made.
A current Presidential candidate has offered a 7-figure bribe to stop this
info from reaching your ears! This program will be electric and will
definitely be one for the family collection. Tune in and then make up your
own minds. Pass this on to all you know.
Note:
If you can't get CSPAN on your TV, you can watch the program on your
computer at the following link.
CSPAN2
http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan2.htm
Call everyone you know today. Tape this if you own a VCR. Be America's
Paul Revere!
"The world is a dangerous place to live;
not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who
