Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[c.]

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it isn't gay men who are molesting children. it is paedophiles.
don't any of you homophobe paranoiacs know enough of what you are writing
about to tell the difference?

sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of abused
choirboys, students, whatever.
there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these past
weeks about gay conspiracy and most of it seems to be about reinforcing
prejudice rather than sound research.



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From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 4:03 AM
Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 Instead of punishing the Scouts for discriminating against
 homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud
 the Boy Scouts leadership for its efforts to protect boys from child
 molesters.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote:

 sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of abused
 choirboys, students, whatever.
 there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these past
 weeks about gay conspiracy and most of it seems to be about reinforcing
 prejudice rather than sound research.

Many priests are pedophiles. And many religious people engage in
'swinging' and 'wife swapping', a male-dominated term that I suspect is
most popular in a certain cult beginning with M. I guess it is a kind of
'forbidden fruit'.

Religion, the ultimate aphrodisiac. Religion, the ultimate mind control
technique

Your own personal Jesus.
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Steve



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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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- Original Message -
From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:06 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

 On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote:

  sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of
abused
  choirboys, students, whatever.
  there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these
past
  weeks about gay conspiracy and most of it seems to be about
reinforcing
  prejudice rather than sound research.

 Many priests are pedophiles.

yes, that was my point- some of our christian friends who condemn
paedophiles as homosexuals seem to forget the huge influence religous orgs
have had on the way paedophiles work. i do not hear them bleeting about the
way gays have infiltrated the catholic church the same way i hear about
them in the scout movement.
PAEDOPHILES not homos.
has to keep being said.
the descriptions sent by el saba are not abut homosexual influence on our
children, that is an entirely different issue- and does not involve abuse.

aleisha- fair enough be paranoid or worried about gay influence but leave
out the abuse stories- they are not related in any way.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride- a churches guidlines

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no mention of homoseuals (funnily enough.. pah)
only mention of paedophiles (non-gendertype)
only mention of children (non-gendertype)

anyone scared of homosexuals interfering with children in their care are
deluding themselves about the real problem.
anyone scared of their children turning homo cause of influence of
homosexuals might be right tho, but only to the extent that the children
will be led to believe it is ok to be gay so that if they do feel that way
they are more likely to feel unashamed about expressing it.
incidentally is this a true conservative or a liberal standpoint to have?
any comments?


and the real argument might be nature or nurture? if nature then the above
stands. if nurture then the argument alters to deciding if homosexuality is
acceptable or an abomination




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Church Policy


An Introduction to Child Protection.
With everything that is happening world wide it is important that every
organisation takes the necessary steps to protect the children and young
people who are entrusted into their care.

Under the Children's Act 1989 (UK) we all have a responsibility for the
well-being of children. How can the church take up this responsibility? In
the following document I hope to give you some thoughts and information that
will help.

Let us start by asking two questions:

1. Who are we seeking to protect?

First and foremost the children in our care, second, people working with
children and third, the organisation.

2. Who are we seeking to protect the children from?

Anyone who would abuse. This includes the attentions of paedophiles (a
paedophile is someone who is sexually attracted to children). I am told
paedophiles are not normally opportunist and will go to the extent of taking
several years to gain a position of trust within an organisation, and, from
this established position, abuse. With this in mind, a child protection
policy is the best form of protection we can offer our young people. A
paedophile who is looking to target a church will think again where there is
a pro-active policy and action taken on every allegation.

Every church should, therefore, have stated guidelines for the operation of
all ministries and projects where young people are involved and a policy to
deal with any allegations of abuse. If church leaders are not pro-active in
their efforts to protect children in this way then they are negligent in
their duty. Some church leaders see their responsibility only in terms of
reacting in certain ways once a situation has occurred, this is like closing
the stable door after the horse has bolted. Only here we are not talking of
livestock, but people's lives that can be damaged in the most hideous ways
imaginable. We need to move the emphasis away from abuse and towards
protection, the aim is to prevent abuse happening, rather than only getting
involved once damage has been done.

If you are a member of a church, ask your leadership what their stated
policy is for the protection of children. Don't be satisfied with anything
less than a recognised policy. Remember we are all responsible for the
well-being of children.


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Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:13 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


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 - Original Message -
 From: Steve [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sent: Saturday, June 23, 2001 10:06 AM
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


  -Caveat Lector-
 
  On 23 Jun 01, at 9:26, c. wrote:
 
   sure, give us lists of abused scouts- but balance it with lists of
 abused
   choirboys, students, whatever.
   there seems to be an inordinate amount of this bullshit on CTRL these
 past
   weeks about gay conspiracy and most of it seems to be about
 reinforcing
   prejudice rather than sound research.
 
  Many priests are pedophiles.

 yes, that was my point- some of our christian friends who condemn
 paedophiles as homosexuals seem to forget the huge influence religous orgs
 have had on the way paedophiles work. i do not hear them bleeting about
the
 way gays have infiltrated the catholic church the same way i hear about
 them in the scout movement.
 PAEDOPHILES not homos.
 has to keep being said.
 the descriptions sent by el saba are not abut homosexual influence on our
 children, that is an entirely different issue- and does not involve abuse.

 aleisha- fair enough be paranoid or worried about gay influence but leave
 out the abuse stories- they are not related in any way.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Nessie]

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A person on this list who had run out of posts for the day responded
privately to something I said on the subject a day or two ago. I think
some of what I said in private is worth repeating in public here.  I’m
not setting up a straw man here. This exchange really happened. I’m just
protecting the privacy of the person, as I’d do for any of you. I never
reveal my sources.

But I think the rest of you also might be interested in what I said. I
hope so, anywayy. Some of you really, really need to hear it from
somebody.

So here’s an excerpt:

***

This person wanted to know why “they emphasize their sexuality to  the
exclusion of everything else”

So I said:

I’m not sure who you mean here by “they.” If you mean individuals that
you know personally, you should ask them, not me. If you’re talking
about images in the media, you should be aware that the media distorts
reality for economic reasons. There is a vast gulf between what we see
on TV and real life.

Some of them refuse hide who they are, I say good for them. Think of it
as ethnic pride.  Not all Gay people partake in  Gay culture,  but those
who do, and show it off in public,  are no different that African
Americans who wear dashikis during Kwaanza or Irish Americans who wear
green on St. Patrick’s day. The desire to display pride in who your
People are is a natural part of the human condition. Everybody does it.
People define who “their People” are differently, that’s all. To some
it’s an ethnic thing, To others, it all about which language they speak.
To some it’s a matter of nationality. To some it’s sexual orientation. 

Keep in mind, though, that not all Gay people partake in  Gay culture.
The majority are “passing.” You yourself almost undoubtedly have Gay
friends and don’t know it.

Let me tell you a little something about passing. As you’ve probably
guessed by now, nessie isn’t my real name. My real name is a fairly
generic Irish  name. There are even a couple famous people who share it.
It used to be preceded by “O’” but when my family came here in the last
century, they dropped the “O’’’ because that was the best way to get a
decent job. So I come from a long of passers. I know what I’m talking
about. Passing is as American as sleeping on Indian graves.

I have a pretty good friend who’s bisexual. He says it’s like being a
Black Puerto Rican. As long as you shut up, nobody knows who you really
are.  When he told me that, I suddenly understood.  It’s all about
choosing to pass or not to pass. Most people are lazy, They take one
look at you and assume they know who and what  you are. They never
bother to actually find out. It’s too much effort. If a Gay person
doesn’t want you to know, you don’t know. And they are everywhere.
Everybody who has more than a handful of friends had Gay friends,
whether they know it or not. If they don’t know it, it’s their own
fault.

Except for Jews and Africans, nobody but Gays have caught more flak here
for being who they are than the Irish. But eventually, people got used
to the idea that we might act a bit strange about some things but we’re
damn handy to have on the team. So we don’t have to pass anymore.   For
the most part, this has also happened to Jews and Italians. Now it’s
beginning to happen to Africans and Asians. It’s high time it happened
to Gays, too. Gay people have contributed to American culture and
prosperity to a degree far out of proportion to thier numbers. Give them
credit where credit is due.

As a life long American, I can’t speak for other cultures, but from what
I hear, it’s pretty much the same wherever. Gay people give more to
every society in which they live (i.e. every society on the planet) than
they get back. It’s time we gave them back a little. At the very least
we ought to show them the common courtesy that we show each other. They
have as much right to be proud of who they are as you do. Respect that
right. Don’t be so boorish as to insult them in public. And don’t insult
them in front of me. That’s some of my personal friends you’re
insulting. How’d you like it if I insulted your personal friends in
public?

There’s a lot of stuff on the tube right now about Gay life because it’s
Gay Pride week. It’s like the run up to St. Patrick’s Day. Every March
we see endless reruns of Finnian’s Rainbow, The Hanging Gale and the
Brothers McMullen. But nobody on CTRL bemoans the “pro-Irish bias” of
the media that week. What’s up with that?



This person also expressed concern that the media was exposing children
to sex before they were old enough to be responsible enough to handle
it.


As a parent myself, I feel qualified to address this. I’ve been fairly
promiscuous by American standards. I’m fairly promiscuous by American
standards. I’ve always had open relationships. I’m in one now. To me,
recreational sex is a past time.  It’s what I do instead of take drugs,
collect stamps or surf. I never tried to hide my sex life from my kid. I

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Nurev Ind.]

-Caveat Lector-

Nessie,

Please stop posting such decent sensible opinions on this list. You
are really upsetting the loonies, and the bigots.

Please, do be more considerate.

Joshua2

==
Nessie wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 A person on this list who had run out of posts for the day responded
 privately to something I said on the subject a day or two ago. I think
 some of what I said in private is worth repeating in public here.  I’m
 not setting up a straw man here. This exchange really happened. I’m just
 protecting the privacy of the person, as I’d do for any of you. I never
 reveal my sources.

 But I think the rest of you also might be interested in what I said. I
 hope so, anywayy. Some of you really, really need to hear it from
 somebody.

 So here’s an excerpt:

 ***

 This person wanted to know why “they emphasize their sexuality to  the
 exclusion of everything else”

 So I said:

 I’m not sure who you mean here by “they.” If you mean individuals that
 you know personally, you should ask them, not me. If you’re talking
 about images in the media, you should be aware that the media distorts
 reality for economic reasons. There is a vast gulf between what we see
 on TV and real life.

 Some of them refuse hide who they are, I say good for them. Think of it
 as ethnic pride.  Not all Gay people partake in  Gay culture,  but those
 who do, and show it off in public,  are no different that African
 Americans who wear dashikis during Kwaanza or Irish Americans who wear
 green on St. Patrick’s day. The desire to display pride in who your
 People are is a natural part of the human condition. Everybody does it.
 People define who “their People” are differently, that’s all. To some
 it’s an ethnic thing, To others, it all about which language they speak.
 To some it’s a matter of nationality. To some it’s sexual orientation.

 Keep in mind, though, that not all Gay people partake in  Gay culture.
 The majority are “passing.” You yourself almost undoubtedly have Gay
 friends and don’t know it.

 Let me tell you a little something about passing. As you’ve probably
 guessed by now, nessie isn’t my real name. My real name is a fairly
 generic Irish  name. There are even a couple famous people who share it.
 It used to be preceded by “O’” but when my family came here in the last
 century, they dropped the “O’’’ because that was the best way to get a
 decent job. So I come from a long of passers. I know what I’m talking
 about. Passing is as American as sleeping on Indian graves.

 I have a pretty good friend who’s bisexual. He says it’s like being a
 Black Puerto Rican. As long as you shut up, nobody knows who you really
 are.  When he told me that, I suddenly understood.  It’s all about
 choosing to pass or not to pass. Most people are lazy, They take one
 look at you and assume they know who and what  you are. They never
 bother to actually find out. It’s too much effort. If a Gay person
 doesn’t want you to know, you don’t know. And they are everywhere.
 Everybody who has more than a handful of friends had Gay friends,
 whether they know it or not. If they don’t know it, it’s their own
 fault.

 Except for Jews and Africans, nobody but Gays have caught more flak here
 for being who they are than the Irish. But eventually, people got used
 to the idea that we might act a bit strange about some things but we’re
 damn handy to have on the team. So we don’t have to pass anymore.   For
 the most part, this has also happened to Jews and Italians. Now it’s
 beginning to happen to Africans and Asians. It’s high time it happened
 to Gays, too. Gay people have contributed to American culture and
 prosperity to a degree far out of proportion to thier numbers. Give them
 credit where credit is due.

 As a life long American, I can’t speak for other cultures, but from what
 I hear, it’s pretty much the same wherever. Gay people give more to
 every society in which they live (i.e. every society on the planet) than
 they get back. It’s time we gave them back a little. At the very least
 we ought to show them the common courtesy that we show each other. They
 have as much right to be proud of who they are as you do. Respect that
 right. Don’t be so boorish as to insult them in public. And don’t insult
 them in front of me. That’s some of my personal friends you’re
 insulting. How’d you like it if I insulted your personal friends in
 public?

 There’s a lot of stuff on the tube right now about Gay life because it’s
 Gay Pride week. It’s like the run up to St. Patrick’s Day. Every March
 we see endless reruns of Finnian’s Rainbow, The Hanging Gale and the
 Brothers McMullen. But nobody on CTRL bemoans the “pro-Irish bias” of
 the media that week. What’s up with that?

 

 This person also expressed concern that the media was exposing children
 to sex before they were old enough to be responsible enough to handle
 it.

 As a 

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[c.]

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with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the warehouse
thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can
support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith.

 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey
 Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

 In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all
 safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of
 perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public
 opinion.
 I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let
 loose to practise lechery on innocence.

 andrew hennessey


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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Andrew Hennessey]

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 with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the
warehouse
 thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can
 support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith.

Well maybe Lilith gets a better press these days from the black magic books
that I read in the 70s - so sorry if she is now the divine goddess etc etc
The Clause28 issue in the UK  which said that clause 28 was sufficient to
police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new
scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to
actively promote homosexual issues. Almost the entire population was against
it but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act.
Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in
charge of the electoral office would not ratify - a supposedly unbiased
agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the people
legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum.
The move to repeal clause 28 was knocked back by the House of Lords twice
and still Tony is committed to forcing throughthis legislation.
Well the SCOTTISH DAILY RECORD reported that there were warehouses of the
'new' progay schoolbooks awaiting distribution - not a fact that they would
have got wrong as the Paper was part of the keep the clause campaign - one
of souters few corporate supporters - and at that time ANY misleading
information would have been used to destroy the referendum by the
Politicians who were getting desperate.
So in this matter - because of the circumstances - I am inclined to believe
what I read in that paper at that time about the schoolbooks.
Souter subsequently had several million wiped off the value of his stock in
a strange stockmarket problem.
The result of the poll showed that something like 80% - an overwhelming
majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored that
and passed the progay legislation.
What was PRO about this legislation was that unlike the previous legislation
that simply maintained a status quo of gender tolerance - given that it
could be adequately policed - under the new legislation aside from all the
other new safeguards, loss of marriage as a key concept etc - there is scope
to activley promote gay issues - which is an unfair allowance to a minority
interest.

andrew

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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- Original Message -
From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 4:04 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

 
  with all due respect andrew, you are guessing, not reporting. the
 warehouse
  thing and the homosexual agenda you mention is absurd (unless you can
  support this contention in some way?). as is your perception of lillith.
 
 Well maybe Lilith gets a better press these days from the black magic
books
 that I read in the 70s - so sorry if she is now the divine goddess etc etc

both your patronising classifications of her are wrong.


 The Clause28 issue in the UK  which said that clause 28 was sufficient to
 police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new
 scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to
 actively promote homosexual issues.

you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that souter
tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the
promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council
institutions- including schools and libraries. the clause actually could
have prevented people's access to literature that could be considered
promoting homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature that
states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned. that is not a
tolerable situation. in schools teachers have been unable to offer any
education about homosexuality *in any form*. that is also an intolerable
situation.

 Almost the entire population was against
 it

oh really? LOL


but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act.
 Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in
 charge of the electoral office would not ratify

you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may
have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/ gay
and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality. (look to portillo's vote
against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical
decision made by a man with gay experiinces)
show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :)

 - a supposedly unbiased
 agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the people
 legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum.

we have a government to make decisions- referendums are only called by
people unhappy at the elected governmnet's decisions. and anyway, andrewq,
we didn't need a referendum to have the clause in the first place- it wasn't
public pressure that lobbied for the clause, was it?

 The move to repeal clause 28 was knocked back by the House of Lords twice

erm, you are so keen on refereendums and voting and stuff but you are so
happy that an unelected house would stand in the way of an elected house?

 and still Tony is committed to forcing throughthis legislation.
 Well the SCOTTISH DAILY RECORD

daily record? LOL, no really, you are quoting the daily record as a news
source? why not the national enquirer (a bit of context for our foriegn type
friends on the list)
:)

reported that there were warehouses of the
 'new' progay schoolbooks awaiting distribution - not a fact that they
would
 have got wrong as the Paper was part of the keep the clause campaign - one
 of souters few corporate supporters - and at that time ANY misleading
 information would have been used to destroy the referendum by the
 Politicians who were getting desperate.
 So in this matter - because of the circumstances - I am inclined to
believe
 what I read in that paper at that time about the schoolbooks.
 Souter subsequently had several million wiped off the value of his stock
in
 a strange stockmarket problem.
 The result of the poll showed that something like 80% -

oh but do tell how many people voted.
and you just ignore that private polls made by individuals tend to only be
completed by the people who support the referendum because there is no legal
backing for the poll. opponents of the private poll recommended destroying
the polling slips. forget also that approx 1 million homes did not get
voting slips. that is in a population of 6 millionish!

 an overwhelming
 majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored
that
 and passed the progay legislation.#

erm, no- they passed the anti anti-gay legislation. stats are great for
epope who wanna present them wrongly :) homophobes are great at this sort of
stuff- you and souter.

 What was PRO about this legislation was that unlike the previous
legislation
 that simply maintained a status quo of gender tolerance - given that it
 could be adequately policed

see above for an accurate description- the clause banned the tolerance of
literature and education that did not condemn homosexuality.


- under the new legislation aside from all the
 other new safeguards, loss of marriage as a key concept etc - there is
scope
 to activley promote

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Andrew Hennessey]

-Caveat Lector-

  The Clause28 issue in the UK  which said that clause 28 was sufficient
to
  police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new
  scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to
  actively promote homosexual issues.

 you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that souter
 tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the
 promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council
 institutions- including schools and libraries.

It was NEVER DISALLOWED PRIOR to the repeal of this clause
it just wasn't adequately operated

the clause actually could
 have prevented people's

By PEOPLE you really mean very young children -

 access to literature that could be considered
 promoting homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature
that
 states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned.

well don't worry it isn't banned any more -
I said before that there is a big difference between hormone based gender
and artificial homosexual psychology -
given what we all know on how easy it is to PROGRAMME the human mind
any pervert with an agenda can cause a problem in schools - ie. hetero and
homo
so thats especially why in my opinion the topic of sex needs careful
handling
and the safeguards in place were legally OK - though badly operated.
Now we have the same people who badly operated a fair sex policy now
operating a biased homosexual policy - and in your opinion does that mean
that perverts are going to find it difficult to start bending minds and
gender ?

  Almost the entire population was against
  it

 oh really? LOL

ABSOLUTE FACT - the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD


 but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act.
  Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in
  charge of the electoral office would not ratify

 you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may
 have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/
gay
 and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality.

don't play games with me - I don't need the credibility - there was
absolutely NO REASON
why the electoral office should disallow the legitimacy of a public
referendum -
If that doesn't cmpromise the operation of democracy what did - perhaps the
intolerable arrogance of the scottish parliament that implemented the progay
agenda
in full knowledge that almost the entire country was against them.
and in England the House of Lords threw the Bill out twice and still Blair
wants to force it
through.

 (look to portillo's vote
 against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical
 decision made by a man with gay experiinces)

a reduction in the age of gay consent - you're talking like you're cruising
here -
there are no men and women in these classrooms - just vulnerable kids

 show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :)

Some of my best friends are gay and I'm big burly bastard

  - a supposedly unbiased
  agency that oversaw democracy all over the world would not let the
people
  legitimately vote in a private and legal mass referendum.

 we have a government to make decisions- referendums are only called by
 people unhappy at the elected governmnet's decisions. and anyway, andrewq,
 we didn't need a referendum to have the clause in the first place- it
wasn't
 public pressure that lobbied for the clause, was it?

You're in a STATE OF DENIAL - the entire country Voted by overwhelming
MAJORITY to
lose the progay crap - it wasn't a few dissidents it was the ENTIRE country

 oh but do tell how many people voted.
 and you just ignore that private polls made by individuals tend to only be
 completed by the people who support the referendum because there is no
legal
 backing for the poll. opponents of the private poll recommended destroying
 the polling slips. forget also that approx 1 million homes did not get
 voting slips. that is in a population of 6 millionish!

MORE PEOPLE VOTED TO OUST THE GAYS THAN VOTED FOR BLAIR AT
THE LAST ELECTION

The parliament of scotland had a poll of course - the gays in the scottish
parliament
got in touch with the gays in san fransico and the gays in australia and
used the
internet to overwhelm the democratic process in scotland by creating FALSE
POLLS
from names supplied by people who were clearly not citizens of the UK or
even on
the electoral register.

  an overwhelming
  majority were in favour of keeping the clause - the parliament ignored
 that
  and passed the progay legislation.#
 
andrew hennessey

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[c.]

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From: Andrew Hennessey [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, June 06, 2001 11:10 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

   The Clause28 issue in the UK  which said that clause 28 was sufficient
 to
   police abuse of gender issues in schools was to be repealed by the new
   scottish parliamnent in favour of legislation that made it possible to
   actively promote homosexual issues.
 
  you are wrong and your political angle on this is the same one that
souter
  tried to mislead the scottish people . the repeal does not allow the
  promotion of homosexuality- it allows it to be talked about in council
  institutions- including schools and libraries.

 It was NEVER DISALLOWED PRIOR to the repeal of this clause
 it just wasn't adequately operated

 the clause actually could
  have prevented people's

 By PEOPLE you really mean very young children -

  access to literature that could be considered
  promoting homosexuality- and that in effect means that any literature
 that
  states in any way that homosexuality is ok could be banned.

 well don't worry it isn't banned any more -
 I said before that there is a big difference between hormone based gender
 and artificial homosexual psychology -
 given what we all know on how easy it is to PROGRAMME the human mind
 any pervert with an agenda can cause a problem in schools - ie. hetero and
 homo
 so thats especially why in my opinion the topic of sex needs careful
 handling
 and the safeguards in place were legally OK - though badly operated.
 Now we have the same people who badly operated a fair sex policy now
 operating a biased homosexual policy - and in your opinion does that mean
 that perverts are going to find it difficult to start bending minds and
 gender ?
 
   Almost the entire population was against
   it
 
  oh really? LOL

 ABSOLUTE FACT - the ABSOLUTE MAJORITY IS A MATTER OF PUBLIC RECORD

 
  but the parliament would not listen and the politicians Refused to act.
   Brian Soutar Bus Tycoon funded a Private Referendum - which the gay in
   charge of the electoral office would not ratify
 
  you are being silly now andrew and it devalues any argument that you may
  have. tell me who this gay is in fact and show me evidence that he is 1/
 gay
  and 2/ corrupt and compromised by his sexuality.

 don't play games with me - I don't need the credibility - there was
 absolutely NO REASON
 why the electoral office should disallow the legitimacy of a public
 referendum -
 If that doesn't cmpromise the operation of democracy what did - perhaps
the
 intolerable arrogance of the scottish parliament that implemented the
progay
 agenda
 in full knowledge that almost the entire country was against them.
 and in England the House of Lords threw the Bill out twice and still Blair
 wants to force it
 through.

  (look to portillo's vote
  against the reduction in the age of gay consent for a comparable ethical
  decision made by a man with gay experiinces)

 a reduction in the age of gay consent - you're talking like you're
cruising
 here -
 there are no men and women in these classrooms - just vulnerable kids

  show me- or shut your little bigoted mouth, k? :)

 Some of my best friends are gay and I'm big burly bastard

oh dear, of course your gay friends would be delighted and supportive of
your comments i take it? and andrew, it was not a comment about your
physical largeness, rather it referred to your intellectual smallness. ahem.
you are a homophobe thus your comments are not really answerable because you
ignore the facts of the matter because of misplaced political or emotional
motivations. for instance- you say the entire country voted but yet the
figures disagree.
sent out- 3970712
voted for retaining- 1094440
(souter's own figures)
that isn't even a majority. it was a majority of votes cast but supporters
of repeal would not participate and there was no campaigning- the advice
was- don't even participate. the majority chose not to participate. many
didn't even recieve ballots.
why is the phrase age of consent sounding like i am cruising? and why are
you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion? creepy. the age of
consent vote which portillo voted against even though he has had positive
gay experiences was not anything to do with children- it was to bring the
age of consent in line with heterosexual age of consent- 16. is that such a
strange thing? really? and in the classroom we are talking about children
of the ages up to 18 possibly- should they not have access in their library
to information?

your determind suggestion that their was some kind of gay blocking
democracy truly gives away your ignorance- because, andy, you don't have to
be gay to fight homophobia.

oh yeah, you said

difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual
psychology

you're teasing me , right? *wink*





   - a supposedly unbiased
   agency that oversaw democracy

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Andrew Hennessey]

-Caveat Lector-

 sent out- 3970712
 voted for retaining- 1094440
 (souter's own figures)

More people voted against the gays than would normally vote at
ANY GENERAL ELECTION
what does that tell you ???

why are
 you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion?
The discussion as far as I'm concerned is ONLY about young children being
educated out of context at school
Portillo is a creep with no bearing on this thread - we're talking
about forcing homosexual issues onto VERY YOUNG unready minds here -
not some teenager making life choices

 your determind suggestion that their was some kind of gay blocking
 democracy truly gives away your ignorance-

the guy in charge of the Government Agency that Oversees Polls is a gay,
I'm not ignorant of that fact - nor do I believe that that fact is
irrelevant
since by Blocking the Official route to Souter, Souters impact on the
democratic
process was lessened.
and its a fact that a Gay Political pressure Group - ILLEGALLY created a
non-existent membership and petition out of all the gays they could find
on the International internet and used it to make the Scottish parliament
pass the progay legislation as though it had been an unbiased poll.

because, andy, you don't have to
 be gay to fight homophobia

 your using newage PC babble on me -
I am no such thing - look at what I say next and how you take it out of
context -

 oh yeah, you said

 difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual
 psychology

 you're teasing me , right? *wink*

no - I'm pointing out that the MAJORITY of young children do not need
confusion of gender issues written into their school timetables BECAUSE
they have NO PREDISPOSITION TO EVER BE GAY -
and that that fact can be scientifically verified by an analysis of their
hormones
and or DNA - and hence there is No need to make their education of
homosexual issues
a GREATER priority than their understanding of heterosexuality.
And using science, we can tell that if they don't know or are unsure -
its because of the problems that
society has loaded them with eg. homosexual schoolbooks.
IE. THEIR CONFUSION IS ARTIFICIAL


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[c.]

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there is a word that crops up a lot in my reply- evidence. there is no
support ofr your arguments. at least i managed to give you Souter's own
statistics. what have you given me? inuendo and urban myth.

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Sent: Thursday, June 07, 2001 1:14 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

  sent out- 3970712
  voted for retaining- 1094440
  (souter's own figures)

 More people voted against the gays than would normally vote at
 ANY GENERAL ELECTION
 what does that tell you ???

show me the supporting evidence for your claim. show me the stats, boy



 why are
  you obsessed with bringing children into the discussion?
 The discussion as far as I'm concerned is ONLY about young children being
 educated out of context at school

show me the evidence that it happened before section 28.   you won't find
any evidence to back up your spurious claim

 Portillo is a creep with no bearing on this thread - we're talking
 about forcing homosexual issues onto VERY YOUNG unready minds here -
 not some teenager making life choices

why are we talking about children? who ever mentioned them except
homophobes?


  your determind suggestion that their was some kind of gay blocking
  democracy truly gives away your ignorance-

 the guy in charge of the Government Agency that Oversees Polls is a gay,

name him then and show evidence that he is gay.

 I'm not ignorant of that fact - nor do I believe that that fact is
 irrelevant
 since by Blocking the Official route to Souter, Souters impact on the
 democratic
 process was lessened.
 and its a fact that a Gay Political pressure Group - ILLEGALLY created a
 non-existent membership and petition out of all the gays they could find
 on the International internet and used it to make the Scottish parliament
 pass the progay legislation as though it had been an unbiased poll.

show me more details of this. i am not sure if i believe anything you say- i
need references here, andy baby.



 because, andy, you don't have to
  be gay to fight homophobia

  your using newage PC babble on me -

uh what?

 I am no such thing

you are no such what?
let me put it another way- i am not gay but i am fighting a homophobe- you.
ergo i do not need to be gay to fight homophobia.
get me now?

- look at what I say next and how you take it out of
 context -
 
  oh yeah, you said
 
  difference between hormone based gender and artificial homosexual
  psychology
 
  you're teasing me , right? *wink*
 
 no - I'm pointing out that the MAJORITY of young children do not need
 confusion of gender issues written into their school timetables

it never was written into the timetables of young children. you cannot say
otherwise

BECAUSE
 they have NO PREDISPOSITION TO EVER BE GAY -
 and that that fact can be scientifically verified by an analysis of their
 hormones
 and or DNA

not sure i have seen evidence of ythis either

 - and hence there is No need to make their education of
 homosexual issues

ok, so no need to teach about any sexual practice then. important to note
that the anti-homophobic movements tend to only ask that homosexuality is
not demonised rather than promoted.

 a GREATER priority than their understanding of heterosexuality.
 And using science, we can tell that if they don't know or are unsure -
 its because of the problems that
 society has loaded them with eg. homosexual schoolbooks.

show me evidence of even one single gay schoolbook. just one.


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[Aleisha Saba]

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Well Nate, aka Amadius - what does that mean again fo Amadeius was Lord
of Flies, Beezlebub, etc.nice name for a professional businessman
to take, but that is your business?

Didn't exactly think you followed biblical teachings but again that is
your business.

I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the evils
in this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an example of
evil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where two little fags
murdered how many little Christian classmates?

Saba

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Gayness-promoting, value-free sex and AIDS education have also made
deep inroads into America's public schools. Right now, for instance,
Denver, Colorado public school teachers and counselors are being
pressured and trained to teach children beginning in kindergarten that
gayness is a normal lifestyle (See The Denver Post, Dec. 2, 1990, p. 1).

A newly-released Denver Public Schools Health and Science Education
teachers' guide entitled Gay and Lesbian Youth Tools for Educators,
presented to teachers by gay instructors during a taxpayer-funded
continuing education course, states bluntly: There is no biblical sex
ethic.

The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to
bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in a given country, culture
or period. [emphasis added]

This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered by
heterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the following
questions:

3.Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow?

5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?

7.If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know
that you would not prefer to do so?

12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really
consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers?

14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an
exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and
develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential?

19.How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like
you, considering the menace of over [sic] population?

In addition to aggressively promoting acceptance of homosexuality,
bisexuality, lesbianism and condom use (with graphic descriptions of
these behaviors and techniques) this teachers' guide suggests that
teachers distribute resources to children including pamphlets containing
telephone numbers of adult gays who might possibly serve as mentors, to
encourage children to explore their gay identities and experiment with
gay behavior.

Los Angeles public school districts pioneered this kind of gay-promoting
mentor program with the notorious Project 10, and similar programs
have now spread to dozens of American communities. Special gay advantage
laws could make it mandatory for private schools also to include such
programs to promote this sexual special interest in the curricula,
despite evidence that a teenager induced into homosexual behavior has a
one in four chance of contracting AIDS within five years after
initiation into gayness (see Gay and Lesbian Youth, Harrington Press,
1989, p. 185).

In a recent, notorious New York City controversy, school authorities
have attempted to force a so-called Rainbow Curriculum on supposedly
locally-controlled public school systems.

This K-12 curriculum requires that homosexuality be presented as a
healthy, desirable lifestyle in every subject taught. It is strongly
suggested by this curriculum that first and second graders be assigned
to read books such as Daddy's Roommate and Gloria Goes to Gay Pride,
which depict happy, healthy homosexual and lesbian-headed families
with small children.

[No doubt have contract with Larry Flynt and his promoters by now - Saba
note]

(These books' publisher, Alyson, when not producing such children's
literature, is known as the world's largest gay publisher, specializing
in books marketed to the adult gay community -- including numerous
titles encouraging pedophile practices and telling its readers where and
how to procure underage sex without penalty.)

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[YnrChyldzWyld]

  
  From: Aleisha Saba
  I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the 
  evilsin this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an 
  example ofevil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where 
  two little fagsmurdered how many little Christian classmates?
  
  And your PROOF as to both the sexual orientation of the alleged 
  shooters and the religious orientation of ALL those who were shot 
  is?
  This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered 
  byheterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the 
  followingquestions:"3.Is it possible your 
  heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow?
  5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay 
  lover?7.If you have never slept with a person of the same 
  sex, how do you knowthat you would not prefer to do so?
  
  This is just turning around the arguments used against gays and 
  presenting them to heterosexuals...
  
  Gays are routinely told that it's 'just a phase' they are going thru, 
  or that if they had a good lay with someone of the opposite sex it would 
  'cure' them, and asked that if they've never had sex with someone of the 
  opposite sex, how can they know they wouldn't like it? By presenting 
  the same sort of questions to heterosexuals, it shows how inane such 
  comments/questions put to gays are...
  
  
  12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you 
  reallyconsider it safe to expose children to heterosexual 
  teachers?
  
  This is actually true. More pedophiles are heterosexual than 
  homosexual...so those of you who are so obsessed with 'protecting the 
  children' should be more afraid of straights than of gays...
  14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit 
  yourself to anexclusive heterosexual object choice and remain 
  unwilling to explore anddevelop your normal, natural, healthy 
  homosexual potential?
  Again, this is turning around the very same question that is routinely 
  put to gays, and presenting it to straights to show how inane such a 
  question is for either group...
  
  But you've shown time and time again, Saba, your inability to 
  comprehend, let alone understand, satire...
  
  June





	
	
	
	
	
	
	




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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Nate Fischer]

-Caveat Lector-

First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email.  Every time I see
your response it changes.

Secondly, you are right it is my business and not yours.  I could care less
would your perception of me is.

Thirdly, it is an important statement to say that you need to understand
that while straight men primarily rape women, not all straight men are
rapists, right?  The same goes to say that not all homosexuals are
pedophiles.

You have the right to protect your children from this threat; however, do
not spread lies, it is against human nature and your bible, and therefore
you will be judged by a higher power when the time comes.

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Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 10:47 AM
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-Caveat Lector-

Well Nate, aka Amadius - what does that mean again fo Amadeius was Lord
of Flies, Beezlebub, etc.nice name for a professional businessman
to take, but that is your business?

Didn't exactly think you followed biblical teachings but again that is
your business.

I reserve the right to protect my children and grandchild from the evils
in this world and sodomy is one of them..Littleton is an example of
evil personifieidoh so quiet, about Littleton where two little fags
murdered how many little Christian classmates?

Saba

More on the attack on our children by the Sodomites -

They still hunger after the little cub scouts.


Special Class Protections for Self-Alleged Gays: A Question of
Orientation and Consequences
A public policy analysis
by Tony Marco

Copyright Tony Marco, 1991-1994, all rights reserved
Previous| Table of Contents | Next

Gay Activist Inroads Into Elementary and High Schools

Gayness-promoting, value-free sex and AIDS education have also made
deep inroads into America's public schools. Right now, for instance,
Denver, Colorado public school teachers and counselors are being
pressured and trained to teach children beginning in kindergarten that
gayness is a normal lifestyle (See The Denver Post, Dec. 2, 1990, p. 1).

A newly-released Denver Public Schools Health and Science Education
teachers' guide entitled Gay and Lesbian Youth Tools for Educators,
presented to teachers by gay instructors during a taxpayer-funded
continuing education course, states bluntly: There is no biblical sex
ethic.

The Bible knows only a love ethic, which is constantly being brought to
bear on whatever sexual mores are dominant in a given country, culture
or period. [emphasis added]

This guide contains a questionnaire designed to be answered by
heterosexual high school students. It asks, among others, the following
questions:

3.Is it possible your heterosexuality is just a phase you may outgrow?

5.Is it possible that all you need is a good gay lover?

7.If you have never slept with a person of the same sex, how do you know
that you would not prefer to do so?

12.The majority of child molesters are heterosexuals. Do you really
consider it safe to expose children to heterosexual teachers?

14.How can you hope to become a whole person if you limit yourself to an
exclusive heterosexual object choice and remain unwilling to explore and
develop your normal, natural, healthy homosexual potential?

19.How could the human race survive if everyone were heterosexual like
you, considering the menace of over [sic] population?

In addition to aggressively promoting acceptance of homosexuality,
bisexuality, lesbianism and condom use (with graphic descriptions of
these behaviors and techniques) this teachers' guide suggests that
teachers distribute resources to children including pamphlets containing
telephone numbers of adult gays who might possibly serve as mentors, to
encourage children to explore their gay identities and experiment with
gay behavior.

Los Angeles public school districts pioneered this kind of gay-promoting
mentor program with the notorious Project 10, and similar programs
have now spread to dozens of American communities. Special gay advantage
laws could make it mandatory for private schools also to include such
programs to promote this sexual special interest in the curricula,
despite evidence that a teenager induced into homosexual behavior has a
one in four chance of contracting AIDS within five years after
initiation into gayness (see Gay and Lesbian Youth, Harrington Press,
1989, p. 185).

In a recent, notorious New York City controversy, school authorities
have attempted to force a so-called Rainbow Curriculum on supposedly
locally-controlled public school systems.

This K-12 curriculum requires that homosexuality be presented as a
healthy, desirable lifestyle in every subject taught. It is strongly
suggested by this curriculum that first and second graders be assigned
to read books such as Daddy's Roommate and Gloria Goes to Gay Pride,
which depict happy, healthy homosexual and lesbian-headed families

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Andrew Hennessey]

-Caveat Lector-

 -Caveat Lector- nate wrote:

 First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email.  Every time I
see
 your response it changes.


woah Nate - !! Asmodius was a Sumerian demon of Lechery !!!
you should have settled for amadeus - Mozarts first name :)

maybe you were unaware of the occult roots - maybe you were ?
there seems to be a lot of lechery involved in the active promotion of
minority gender issues on the silent majority.

why ban fathers day and mothers day because it discriminates against
homosexual parents and then not ban gay day because it discriminates
against the heterosexual practise.
In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all
safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of
perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public
opinion.

Be gay if you want - why not - but those are Your life choices -
the majority of young kids are Not ready to examine gender issues,
and being taught from homosexually biased schoolbooks is
creating psychological gender imbalance on young forming and
vulnerable minds.
It would be different if there was a hormonal test that determined
exposure to gender biased educational material.
There is a big difference from artificially created homosexual psyche
and that empowered by hormone levels, the former kids become
victims - the latter become their own gender.

I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let
loose to practise lechery on innocence.

andrew hennessey

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Nate Fischer]

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Look Andrew,

You will note that I am not arguing any points about education or any such
matters.  You are wasting your argument with me.  I am simply pointing out
Aleisha's mistakes

-Original Message-
From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
Behalf Of Andrew Hennessey
Sent: Tuesday, June 05, 2001 9:12 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


-Caveat Lector-

 -Caveat Lector- nate wrote:

 First of all it is Asmodius, you wrote the original email.  Every time I
see
 your response it changes.


woah Nate - !! Asmodius was a Sumerian demon of Lechery !!!
you should have settled for amadeus - Mozarts first name :)

maybe you were unaware of the occult roots - maybe you were ?
there seems to be a lot of lechery involved in the active promotion of
minority gender issues on the silent majority.

why ban fathers day and mothers day because it discriminates against
homosexual parents and then not ban gay day because it discriminates
against the heterosexual practise.
In the UK - we are getting homosexual agendas actively pushed and all
safeguards actively removed - and our warehouses are full of
perverted schoolbooks - and the government actively ignores public
opinion.

Be gay if you want - why not - but those are Your life choices -
the majority of young kids are Not ready to examine gender issues,
and being taught from homosexually biased schoolbooks is
creating psychological gender imbalance on young forming and
vulnerable minds.
It would be different if there was a hormonal test that determined
exposure to gender biased educational material.
There is a big difference from artificially created homosexual psyche
and that empowered by hormone levels, the former kids become
victims - the latter become their own gender.

I would not want the demon asmodeus or his friend lilith to be let
loose to practise lechery on innocence.

andrew hennessey

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[BB]

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It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to
a public forum...

Nate Fischer wrote:

 -Caveat Lector-

 Aleisha,

 I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again.

 A:  Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals.  Look it up in the 
dictionary
 before you use it.  Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence.

 B:  The below document is just pure filth.  It is a piece of literature 
from
 the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to
 withdraw support from the Boy Scouts.  I again tell you that not all
 pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of
 them.  It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff
 out there in the world.


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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[ArkAngel]

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Greetings all

It scares me that this sort of thing is on this list.  It is rubbish and a
scare tatic which is very typical for many of these lists.  what anyone
wishes to be in life, be you a sodomite or not, is your business, I see no
one lurking around corners dark at night in the streets ready to grab a
innocent one as many have told you ( not that it does not happen from time
to time mind you ).   You will find that when bad things happen to good
people, then someone is at blame, so that means someone has to be blamed and
then some poor soul suffers from the paranoia of the masses.

God said bad things would happen, not because one is a sodomite or anything
else.  It was due to what the Bible calls SIN.  Christians SIN too, so do
homosexuals, straights, sodomites etc etc etc etc and what are the wages of
SIN, the Bible says Death.  God will take care of it!  I remember NO
instructions for us to do so.  If I also remember correctly from my
theological and seminary studies, It was many a Christian who destroyed the
Biblical texts and vulgarized them with their heretic word changes that it
is a miracle we understand it all today even.

It is not right that anyone set in judgement of another.  In fact,the Bible
forbids it.  I do not like people to be so smug to think they are so very
correct in their belief.  It seems to me, that what we think is right and
correct, may in fact be not so correct at all.  Humans are very sad
creatures, in as much as they judge unrightously and think themselves so
perfect.

Merely my opinions
ArkAngel

- Original Message -
From: Nate Fischer [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:22 PM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

 Aleisha,

 I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again.

 A:  Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals.  Look it up in
the dictionary
 before you use it.  Your misuse of the term shows your lack of
intelligence.

 B:  The below document is just pure filth.  It is a piece of
literature from
 the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to
 withdraw support from the Boy Scouts.  I again tell you that not all
 pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of
 them.  It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff
 out there in the world.



 -Original Message-
 From: Conspiracy Theory Research List [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On
 Behalf Of Aleisha Saba
 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 11:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

 More for June's edification of why the Boy Scouts do not need sodomites
 for leaders of the little cub scouts..

 Saba



 Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:16 PM

 Subject: [Conspiranoia!] Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays
 [Homosexuals]
 Saturday, June 2, 2001

 Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays

 Those nitwitted companies, charities and municipalities out to punish
 the Boy Scouts of America for its ban on homosexuals should take a good
 look at five of the good reasons for the ban, as reported by the Rev.
 Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition

 In April, a Canadian Scout leader was charged with sexual touching and
 sexual exploitation for molesting two boys under his care. This
 homosexual offered alcohol, X-rated videos and condoms to the boys.

 In February, John Levendosky, a former assistant Boy Scout leader in
 Pennsylvania, was charged with endangering the welfare of children and
 charged with assault for tying two boys to a tree and cutting them.
 Police found pornographic bondage magazines and sadomasochistic
 paraphernalia in his home.

 In January, William Elliott, a New York Scout leader, was charged on 20
 counts of molesting four boys.

 In April, Keith Crumpton, a Mississippi Scout leader, faced five counts
 of fondling a minor and traveling across state lines to have sex with a
 boy. He molested three young boys.

 In April, an Annapolis Scout leader was arrested for sexually abusing a
 13-year-old Scout under his supervision. Homosexual Matthew Showalter
 faces 20 years in prison if convicted. Says the Rev. Sheldon: The list
 goes on, but the point should be clear: Men with a 'sexual orientation'
 toward other males - little boys, teenagers, or men - are quite likely
 to act out their sexual desires when given the chance.

 These cases demonstrate that there are already NAMBLA homosexuals hiding
 out in the Boy Scouts of America organization. We should not open the
 doors to more of them. The ones who are caught are doing immense
 emotional and physical damage to boys. The Scouts leadership is correct
 to prohibit openly practicing homosexuals from becoming leaders or
 members.

 Instead of punishing the Scouts for discriminating against
 homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud
 the Boy Scouts

Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Aleisha Saba]

-Caveat Lector-

Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to
destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have
the same teacher.

Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag,
and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this,  AIDS is the
end result.

A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire
generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of
homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to
their families.

I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators
who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts
of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat
convention ..

Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I -
Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their
sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if
they tred on my toes.

Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor
Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates,
using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and
get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like
Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer?

You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the
angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they
want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands.

But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling
to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott
United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy
scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect
their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has
accomplished .
the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children.

You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own
hands

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[ArkAngel]

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Greetings,

I do not remember saying that anyone could not protect their families and
friends from such things.. enough said,

ArkAngel

- Original Message -
From: Aleisha Saba [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, June 04, 2001 8:21 AM
Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


 -Caveat Lector-

 Well Ark Angel - Gay Pride and they are well organized, still pushes to
 destroy the boy scouts - using Jesse Jackson tactics, for they all have
 the same teacher.

 Now if anybody wants to take a vow of poverty, fly the Gay Pride Flag,
 and move into a lepor community I do not care - I say this,  AIDS is the
 end result.

 A black man was on TV last night saying AIDS is wiping out an entire
 generation of blacks.he still doesn't get it, does it - over 1/3 of
 homosexual blacks have AIDS and some of the bisexuals then bring home to
 their families.

 I reserve the right to protect my children and grandhild from predators
 who slobber at the mouth by now, attempting to push into the Boy Scouts
 of America - whom democrats jeered and berated at the democrat
 convention ..

 Gay Pride has rights but the Supreme Court recently ruled, so do I -
 Larry Flynt and his followers and the NAACP and Gay Pride who flew their
 sick flag over our State House will find out that I am rights too if
 they tred on my toes.

 Cannot put new wine in old bottles so they go after the kids?Poor
 Littleton - two alleged homosexuals slaughter their little classmates,
 using Uzi or AK's and plan to blow up the school and entire block and
 get caught befoe they finish the job the way planned - like
 Oklahoma.just because they were picked on and called queer?

 You got to be kidding Ark Angel - it is said the devil can appear as the
 angel of light- but these sodomists will not give up will they - they
 want to destroy the Boys Scouts and all for which it stands.

 But those who would protect their children have a Supreme Court ruling
 to back hem up and those who would protect their children can boycott
 United Way, not buy the crap these people who would destroy the boy
 scouts sell, along with their fast foods = and yes, they can protect
 their children by showing just a portion of what Gay Pride has
 accomplished .
 the need to put homosexuals in charge of little children.

 You see we do not want to encourage people taking the law into their own
 hands

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[YnrChyldzWyld]

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Well now, Aleisha, ignoring the difference between pedophilia and
homosexuality that you have a problem with (or deliberately choose to
ignore)the rest of us recognize the FACT that adult men molesting
boys have as much to do with homosexuality as do adult men molesting
girls have to do with heterosexuality...

It's interesting that you post proof that even though it insists on
banning gays, it doesn't stop pedophiles from becoming scout leaders and
molesting boys...

Perhaps homosexual scout leaders would be more astute in recognzing the
pedophiles in their midst than the heterosexual scout leaders have been
so far


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On Mon, 4 Jun 2001, BB wrote:
It scares me that people like you are allowed to post to
a public forum...

It scares me that people like you advocate censorship...


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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[Aleisha Saba]

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Well Nate aka Amadius (hebrew god of lust and satanism - seems you could
find a better name than that).

You say you are frustrated?   I have known that all along.only thing
that activates you is symbolic burning of Gay Pride Flag and all for
which it stands.Sodomy.

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In fact,the Bible forbids it.  

The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of
threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all
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They are both far more common than sodomy.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of
threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all
these rabid homophobes equally upset about people doing those things?
They are both far more common than sodomy.

Well Nessie, I cannot answer for all people and I certainly do not intend to
try.  People pick and choose their sins I guess, and then forgive them with
a just excuse.  Our society does not like sexual things,  but yet they do
the same things but under a different name and perhaps with a different
ideal.  I guess it depends on who is doing what to whom and why they are
doing it and whether it is consenual or not, then of course it has to come
up to societies perspective of rightousness.  And when it does not, it is
labled this or that, or this is wicked or that is wicked.  Now, I am NOT
defending child molestations or anything like that, yes that is horrible.
People who do such things belong in prison, no doubt about it.

As to the bread and thread,,hehehe well, lets not go there for that is a
whole new idea and I am sure someone will have something disagreeable to say
about it.

These things have been discussed for centuries and these things shall
continue to be discused for another century no doubt if we exist that long.
One persons rightousness is another person sin, so to say.  We all see
things differently and it also seems no on can even agree to disagree.

I myself, do not like many things that happen in society, but I also do not
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constitution we have that right, a right that no one has a right to take
away from you, regardless of how bizarre it might be.

And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights,
sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from
you..

Merely my opinions and I point a finger to no one,

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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  And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights,
 sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from
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Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand
tolerance and diversity for homosexuality inter alia and then
routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical
and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that
tolerance should be considered universally inclusive.



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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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very true yardbird, very true

ArkAngel
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Subject: Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride


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   And it is so funny at times, those who shout consitiutuional rights,
  sometimes are the very same who would try to take your beleif away from
  you..

 Sort of like the left-wing eh? These being the same people who demand
 tolerance and diversity for homosexuality inter alia and then
 routinely demand that there be no tolerance for diverse religious, ethical
 and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs. God forbid that
 tolerance should be considered universally inclusive.



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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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the same people who demand tolerance and diversity for
homosexuality inter alia and then routinely demand that there be no
tolerance for diverse religious, ethical and/or socio-political views
that differ from theirs. 


What they are demanding is that there me no legal hegemony for
religious, ethical and/or socio-political views that differ from theirs.
This is quite different from demanding no tolerance. They are on hundred
percent correct in doing this. No religious group should have the arms
and wealth of the state at its disposal to force the rest of us to
conform to the tenets of their religion. If your religion forbids
homosexuality (or pork or beef or whatever) don't do it. Never violate
the tenets of your religion. It leads only to cognitive dissonance. But
don’t try to use force to make the rest of us practice your religion.
History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody
war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree.  Live and let
live.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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History is abundantly clear what this leads to, bloody war after bloody
war after bloody war. Enough is enough. Agree to disagree.  Live and let
live.

but the problem is that it is people in privelaged positions within these
religious organisations that are protecting the status quo- not for
religious reasons, but for whatever wealth their position brings them. what
you say is pious and would only work for the pious within religious orgs-
but i fear there are very few of them.

oops- actually when i say religious org i really mean any belief system be
it dogma or catma that clashes with another belief system. or something.

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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I am about to state an obvious truth that most of you already know but
refuse to admit.

The bible is a tool.  It is a tool that may be used by any and all to their
own purposes and gains.  There are two sides to every story.

People in this world lost faith a long time ago when they started to attend
organized religion.  You want a conspiracy, there's your conspiracy.

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In fact,the Bible forbids it.

The Bible also forbids the wearing of cloth made from two kinds of
threads and the rounding of the corners of the beard. Why aren't all
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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

[BB]

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Censorship? Not me, ever...  I'm the person complaining that
I cannot get 2 messages posted to this list for 4 days now.

A test message before and after posts OK, but there's
something magic in the wording of these 2 texts which
someone or something will not allow through.

I am being censored.

Bill

YnrChyldzWyld wrote:

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Re: [CTRL] More of Gay Pride

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Aleisha,

I am getting very frustrated with your lack of intelligence again.

A:  Sodomites are not exclusively homosexuals.  Look it up in the 
dictionary
before you use it.  Your misuse of the term shows your lack of intelligence.

B:  The below document is just pure filth.  It is a piece of literature 
from
the religious right included as a scare tactic to corporation not to
withdraw support from the Boy Scouts.  I again tell you that not all
pedophiles are exclusively homosexuals, nor is there a large percentage of
them.  It scares me that there are people who actually believe this stuff
out there in the world.



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More for June's edification of why the Boy Scouts do not need sodomites
for leaders of the little cub scouts..

Saba



Sent: Sunday, June 03, 2001 1:16 PM

Subject: [Conspiranoia!] Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays
[Homosexuals]
Saturday, June 2, 2001

Five Good Reasons Why The Boy Scouts Ban Gays

Those nitwitted companies, charities and municipalities out to punish
the Boy Scouts of America for its ban on homosexuals should take a good
look at five of the good reasons for the ban, as reported by the Rev.
Louis P. Sheldon, chairman of the Traditional Values Coalition

In April, a Canadian Scout leader was charged with sexual touching and
sexual exploitation for molesting two boys under his care. This
homosexual offered alcohol, X-rated videos and condoms to the boys.

In February, John Levendosky, a former assistant Boy Scout leader in
Pennsylvania, was charged with endangering the welfare of children and
charged with assault for tying two boys to a tree and cutting them.
Police found pornographic bondage magazines and sadomasochistic
paraphernalia in his home.

In January, William Elliott, a New York Scout leader, was charged on 20
counts of molesting four boys.

In April, Keith Crumpton, a Mississippi Scout leader, faced five counts
of fondling a minor and traveling across state lines to have sex with a
boy. He molested three young boys.

In April, an Annapolis Scout leader was arrested for sexually abusing a
13-year-old Scout under his supervision. Homosexual Matthew Showalter
faces 20 years in prison if convicted. Says the Rev. Sheldon: The list
goes on, but the point should be clear: Men with a 'sexual orientation'
toward other males - little boys, teenagers, or men - are quite likely
to act out their sexual desires when given the chance.

These cases demonstrate that there are already NAMBLA homosexuals hiding
out in the Boy Scouts of America organization. We should not open the
doors to more of them. The ones who are caught are doing immense
emotional and physical damage to boys. The Scouts leadership is correct
to prohibit openly practicing homosexuals from becoming leaders or
members.

Instead of punishing the Scouts for discriminating against
homosexuals, communities and groups like the United Way should applaud
the Boy Scouts leadership for its efforts to protect boys from child
molesters.

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