date:20130929

El Fri, 27 Sep 2013 14:30:39 -0400, chillanaperez escribió:

(reenvío, parece que algunos mensajes de ayer se perdieron...)

 Me pueden indicar el soporte de hardware de el  kernel 3.2 ?

Tienes la guía de instalación de Debian:

2.1. Hardware compatible
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/ch02s01.html.es

Y la documentación del kernel:

https://www.kernel.org/doc/

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Re: Análisis de transmisión de paquetes de red

El Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:02:40 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

(reenvío, parece que algunos mensajes de ayer se perdieron...)

 Saludos a la lista. Quisiera saber si hay algún comando, o programa, que
 permita analizar la transmisión de paquetes de red, porque hay veces que
 mi navegador detiene la carga, no carga bien las páginas o se ven
 feas... Caso particular los juegos de Zynga... y es incómodo eso. 

Hombre, yo antes probaría con algunas cosas más sencillas como comprobar 
si desde otro navegador pasa lo mismo, probar desde otro equipo con un 
sistema operativo y/o navegador distinto, probar con otra conexión 
diferente (de otro ISP) o a cargar la página problemática desde un proxy 
online... y si en todos estos casos el problema persiste pues ya pensaría 
en alguna otra cosa.

 ¿No les ha pasado que a veces una imagen pequeña se carga con un tamaño
 abominable?
 
 ¿Qué? dije abominable...

Sí, alguna vez me ha pasado pero nada que tras vaciar la caché y los 
datos del navegador no haya podido solucionar. 

Sinceramente, me parece un poco exagerado usar alguna herramienta de 
análisis de transmisión de paquetes como wireshark, tcpdump/ngrep o 
ettercap para depurar este tipo de error :-)

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Re: Error dominio con google mail y envio local

El Fri, 27 Sep 2013 15:26:57 -0300, Robert J. Briones C. escribió:

(reenvío, parece que algunos mensajes de ayer se perdieron...)

 El 27 de septiembre de 2013 10:17, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
 escribió:

(...)

 Ese html...


 el correo ?? .. es Gmail., sorry.

¿Y qué le pasa a Gmail? Anda, cambia el formato de envío :-)

 Si vas a utilizar un dominio inventado, usa mejor los recomendados (p.
 ej., example.com) para evitar problemas.


 cual sería el problema ?? (espero no lo tomes a mal, es por que no
 entiendo.).

Existe una recomendación a este respecto por parte de IANA, mejor si lo 
lees para que entiendas los motivos que aconsejan su uso:

http://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc2606

 Hum... a ver si me aclaro ¿el dominio en cuestión (dominio.com) no lo
 gestiona Gmail? Porque si es así ese mensaje que te llega es de Gmail
 que no reconoce al usuario.
 
 
 el dominio en cuestion es gestionado por mi servidor, el que direcciona
 los MX a google,

Eso no puede ser.. a ver, o lo gestiona Google o lo gestionas tú (o 
ambos, pero siempre y cuando se establezcan prioridades en el registro MX) 
y por los datos que has enviado antes de la salida del comando host tu 
servidor no aparece como administrador del dominio, sólo Google.

 Pues no lo pillo, creo que me faltan datos... ¿dices que tienes
 configurado el dominio en tu Postfix local y también en Gmail? :-?


 el postfix esta en mi servidor para los otros dominios, este dominio no
 lo ocuparía, pero el dominio example2.com que si esta configurado en mi
 servidor con todos sus servicios, intenta enviar un correo a
 usua...@dominio.com, al estar dentro del mismo servidor, busca la cuenta
 en el servidor y devuelve error al no encontrarla, esto lo hace antes de
 enviarlo a google.

Esto tampoco parece lógico... veamos, si tu Postfix no sabe nada del 
dominio en cuestión (example.com) cuando envías un mensaje desde 
example2.com (que sí gestionas desde tu Postfix) hacia example.com lo que 
hace el servidor de correo es consultar quién es el encargado de 
example.com (Google, en este caso) e intenta una comunicación para enviar 
el mensaje.

Como lo que comentas es un poco extraño mejor si mandas a la lista el 
registro completo de Postfix para que podamos ver exactamente qué es lo 
que está pasando tras las bambalinas. No hace falta que mandes los 
archivos mail.log o mail.info pero sí lo suficiente como para ver la 
transacción completa desde que example2.com envía el mensaje hasta que 
viene de vuelta (puedes omitir los datos sensibles).

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OT. sustitutos para NX

2013-09-29 Thread carlopmart


Hola,

 Me ha surgido la necesidad de tener que acceder de forma remota a un 
escritorio Debian (el de mi oficina) y recordé que existia la 
herramienta NX de nomachine.com que utilicé en su dia y era perfecta 
para estos menesteres.


 Pero también recordé que salieron dos versiones opensource de dicha 
herramienta: freenx y neatx ... En la wiki de Debian, directamente 
avisan que freenx está abandonado y te remiten a neatx. Y visitando la 
web de este último la cosa no pinta mejor, también parece abandonado (de 
hecho no sé si realemnte fue a llegar a ser realmente útil).


 Bueno, pues buscando alternativas veo que existe otro proyecto llamado 
opennx (http://opennx.net/), pero también parece estar en las últimas.


 Llegados a este punto: ¿alguien sabe si existe alguna alternativa real 
a NX de nomachine? Empiezo a creer que no.



Saludos.

P.D: antes de que nadie lo diga: no, no me sirve ni VNC ni utilizar 
XDMCP, son auténticas castañas a través de Internet y además debo poder 
recuperar sesión en caso de problemas en la conexión.


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Re: OT. sustitutos para NX

El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:28:09 +, carlopmart escribió:

   Me ha surgido la necesidad de tener que acceder de forma remota a un
 escritorio Debian (el de mi oficina) y recordé que existia la
 herramienta NX de nomachine.com que utilicé en su dia y era perfecta
 para estos menesteres.
 
   Pero también recordé que salieron dos versiones opensource de dicha
 herramienta: freenx y neatx ... En la wiki de Debian, directamente
 avisan que freenx está abandonado 

Hum... ¿dónde dicen eso? No lo veo :-?

Lo que comentan es que _la página_ de la wiki está desactualizada y 
recomiendan la consulta de otro sitio donde están los paquetes más 
modernos con la última información:

http://www.x2go.org/

 y te remiten a neatx. 

Bueno... yo no diría eso. Dicen que está ahí como una alternativa más. 

 Y visitando la web de este último la cosa no pinta mejor, también
 parece abandonado (de hecho no sé si realemnte fue a llegar a ser
 realmente útil).

Cuando quieras ver si un proyecto está medio moribundo (lo digo por 
FreeNX), pasa por sus listas de correo para comprobar su actividad. 
Aunque no es un 100% fiable sí resulta ser un buen indicador del estado 
de un proyecto.

   Bueno, pues buscando alternativas veo que existe otro proyecto llamado
 opennx (http://opennx.net/), pero también parece estar en las últimas.
 
   Llegados a este punto: ¿alguien sabe si existe alguna alternativa real
 a NX de nomachine? Empiezo a creer que no.

(...)

Pues si te gusta la tecnología de NX yo seguiría con FreeNX o en su 
defecto echaría un vistazo a x2go para ver qué se cuece por ahí.

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Re: OT. sustitutos para NX

2013-09-29 Thread carlopmart




On 29/09/13 13:28, Camaleón wrote:

El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 12:28:09 +, carlopmart escribió:


   Me ha surgido la necesidad de tener que acceder de forma remota a un
escritorio Debian (el de mi oficina) y recordé que existia la
herramienta NX de nomachine.com que utilicé en su dia y era perfecta
para estos menesteres.

   Pero también recordé que salieron dos versiones opensource de dicha
herramienta: freenx y neatx ... En la wiki de Debian, directamente
avisan que freenx está abandonado


Hum... ¿dónde dicen eso? No lo veo :-?

Lo que comentan es que _la página_ de la wiki está desactualizada y
recomiendan la consulta de otro sitio donde están los paquetes más
modernos con la última información:


Hombre, si ves el último paquete es de Agosto del 2008 ... y si clickas 
en el link de paquetes para Debian, ni funciona. Para mí, eso es 
abandonado ... Pocas tecnologías existen que sobrevivan con software del 
año 2008 ...





http://www.x2go.org/


y te remiten a neatx.


Bueno... yo no diría eso. Dicen que está ahí como una alternativa más.


Si, es otra alternativa, que ya ni genera código. Para mí, eso también 
es proyecto abandonado ... Pero para más inri ese es de google ..






Y visitando la web de este último la cosa no pinta mejor, también
parece abandonado (de hecho no sé si realemnte fue a llegar a ser
realmente útil).


Cuando quieras ver si un proyecto está medio moribundo (lo digo por
FreeNX), pasa por sus listas de correo para comprobar su actividad.
Aunque no es un 100% fiable sí resulta ser un buen indicador del estado
de un proyecto.


Pues el indicador es bastante malo :))





   Bueno, pues buscando alternativas veo que existe otro proyecto llamado
opennx (http://opennx.net/), pero también parece estar en las últimas.

   Llegados a este punto: ¿alguien sabe si existe alguna alternativa real
a NX de nomachine? Empiezo a creer que no.


(...)

Pues si te gusta la tecnología de NX yo seguiría con FreeNX o en su
defecto echaría un vistazo a x2go para ver qué se cuece por ahí.



No se trata si me gusta o no ... Es que a día de hoy es la que permite 
la ecuperación de sesiones gráficas al estilo Citrix o TS ...


Ese x2go tiene buena pinta ... Lo voy a mirar.

Saludos.

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Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito
que tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

Por defecto, en openvpn si no estableces nat, sólo tienes acceso al
host vpn servidor. Pero yo lo que quiero es que tenga acceso a ese
servidor y también a otro, solo a una ip de mi red local.

He estado mirando y lo que he visto es que en la configuración de
openvpn.server puedes añadirle push route net o dns pero no he visto
solo para un host...No sé si funcionará push route add host . Lo
probaré mañana en el trabajo pero lo quería comentar por si alguien ha
tenido alguna vez la necesidad de darle acceso solo a un host de la
red local, no a todos.

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

Saludos.


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Re: OT. sustitutos para NX

El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 14:02:49 +, carlopmart escribió:

 On 29/09/13 13:28, Camaleón wrote:

(...)

 Lo que comentan es que _la página_ de la wiki está desactualizada y
 recomiendan la consulta de otro sitio donde están los paquetes más
 modernos con la última información:
 
 Hombre, si ves el último paquete es de Agosto del 2008 ... y si clickas
 en el link de paquetes para Debian, ni funciona. Para mí, eso es
 abandonado ... Pocas tecnologías existen que sobrevivan con software del
 año 2008 ...

Que la última actualización del paquete haya sido en el 2008 no implica 
necesariamente que el proyecto esté abandonado (p. ej., la última versión 
estable de Mutt es del 2007). Hay aplicaciones que no necesitan 
actualizarse cada 3 meses.

 y te remiten a neatx.

 Bueno... yo no diría eso. Dicen que está ahí como una alternativa
 más.
 
 Si, es otra alternativa, que ya ni genera código. Para mí, eso también
 es proyecto abandonado ... Pero para más inri ese es de google ..

Ni la he mirado :-)

 Cuando quieras ver si un proyecto está medio moribundo (lo digo por
 FreeNX), pasa por sus listas de correo para comprobar su actividad.
 Aunque no es un 100% fiable sí resulta ser un buen indicador del estado
 de un proyecto.
 
 Pues el indicador es bastante malo :))

¿Por qué? Hay mensajes de agosto de este mismo año :-?

 Pues si te gusta la tecnología de NX yo seguiría con FreeNX o en su
 defecto echaría un vistazo a x2go para ver qué se cuece por ahí.


 No se trata si me gusta o no ... Es que a día de hoy es la que permite
 la ecuperación de sesiones gráficas al estilo Citrix o TS ...
 
 Ese x2go tiene buena pinta ... Lo voy a mirar.

Ya contarás.

Saludos,

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito que
tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

Por defecto, en openvpn si no estableces nat, sólo tienes acceso al host
vpn servidor. Pero yo lo que quiero es que tenga acceso a ese servidor y
también a otro, solo a una ip de mi red local.

¿Algo como este esquema? Está muy bien explicado:

HOWTO connect to hosts on a remote network using OpenVPN and some routing
http://blog.remibergsma.com/2013/01/13/howto-connect-to-hosts-on-a-remote-network-using-openvpn-and-some-routing/

He estado mirando y lo que he visto es que en la configuración de
openvpn.server puedes añadirle push route net o dns pero no he visto
solo para un host...No sé si funcionará push route add host . Lo
probaré mañana en el trabajo pero lo quería comentar por si alguien ha
tenido alguna vez la necesidad de darle acceso solo a un host de la red
local, no a todos.

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

Si tu situación es similar a la del enlace, lo que entiendo que sugiere
es que la restricción se realice en el equipo al que quieres acceder y
que para ello añadas una nueva ruta hacia la red del equipo cliente que
use como pasarela el servidor donde tienes configurada la VPN.

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 16:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito que
tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

Por defecto, en openvpn si no estableces nat, sólo tienes acceso al host
vpn servidor. Pero yo lo que quiero es que tenga acceso a ese servidor y
también a otro, solo a una ip de mi red local.

¿Algo como este esquema? Está muy bien explicado:

HOWTO connect to hosts on a remote network using OpenVPN and some routing
http://blog.remibergsma.com/2013/01/13/howto-connect-to-hosts-on-a-remote-network-using-openvpn-and-some-routing/

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

Saludos,

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Gracias Camaleón. Este enlace le vi e inclusive se puede hacer con una
regla nat + POSTROUTING, que cuando te vengan los paquetes desde
10.0.0.0(rango vpn) te los enmascare y los saque por eth0(poniendo la
ip de eth0 que es la ip de rango local real de la red internat) el
caso es que lo necesito solo contra un host, imaginate:

SERVIDOR OPENVPN DEBIAN:

VPN TUN0: 10.0.0.1
IP RED LOCAL: 172.10.10.2

SERVIDOR SVN DEBIAN POR EJEMPLO:

172.10.10.3

Sólo quiero una regla para que llegue a host SVN 172.10.10.3, si lo
hago como en el tuto tendría acceso por vpn a todos los servidores que
están en la misma red local y el mismo rango...La idea es dar acceso a
una persona por vpn para que tenga acceso solo a un servidor en la red
local

Si me explico mal, por favor me dices.

Gracias nuevamente, seguiré mirando a ver...

Saludos.

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:13:25 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 16:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com 
escribió:
 El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

 Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito 
que
 tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

(...)

 Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

 Si tu situación es similar a la del enlace, lo que entiendo que sugiere
 es que la restricción se realice en el equipo al que quieres acceder y
 que para ello añadas una nueva ruta hacia la red del equipo cliente que
 use como pasarela el servidor donde tienes configurada la VPN.

 Gracias Camaleón. Este enlace le vi e inclusive se puede hacer con una
 regla nat + POSTROUTING, que cuando te vengan los paquetes desde
 10.0.0.0(rango vpn) te los enmascare y los saque por eth0(poniendo la
 ip de eth0 que es la ip de rango local real de la red internat) el
 caso es que lo necesito solo contra un host, imaginate:

(...)

 Sólo quiero una regla para que llegue a host SVN 172.10.10.3, si lo
 hago como en el tuto tendría acceso por vpn a todos los servidores que
 están en la misma red local y el mismo rango...La idea es dar acceso a
 una persona por vpn para que tenga acceso solo a un servidor en la red
 local
 
 Si me explico mal, por favor me dices.
 
 Gracias nuevamente, seguiré mirando a ver...

Lo que buscas está entendido y según se desprende del artículo sólo con 
añadir la red del host al que quieres acceder NO tendrías acceso porque 
los paquetes NO serían enrutables (siempre y cuando uses un esquema de 
red similar al que indican en el ejemplo). De ahí que para permitir el 
acceso a uno de los equipos que están dentro de la VPN a la que quieres 
acceder sugieran que sea ESE host el que añada una regla de enrutado para 
poder permitir el tráfico de paquetes desde/hacia el equipo cliente que 
está fuera de la VPN.

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 19:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:13:25 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 16:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito
que
tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

(...)

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

(...)

Si me explico mal, por favor me dices.

Gracias nuevamente, seguiré mirando a ver...

Lo que buscas está entendido y según se desprende del artículo sólo con
añadir la red del host al que quieres acceder NO tendrías acceso porque
los paquetes NO serían enrutables (siempre y cuando uses un esquema de
red similar al que indican en el ejemplo). De ahí que para permitir el
acceso a uno de los equipos que están dentro de la VPN a la que quieres
acceder sugieran que sea ESE host el que añada una regla de enrutado para
poder permitir el tráfico de paquetes desde/hacia el equipo cliente que
está fuera de la VPN.

Saludos,

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Vale Camaleón ahora śi que lo he entendido, eso me pasa por leer tan
rápido y no es la primera vez que me pasa...Voy a probar mañana, mil
gracias.

El tema es que las modificaciones de rutas o nateo las e hecho siempre
en el servidor VPN.

Saludos.

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 20:23, Maykel Franco
maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 19:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:13:25 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 16:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito
que
tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

(...)

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

(...)

Si me explico mal, por favor me dices.

Gracias nuevamente, seguiré mirando a ver...

Saludos,

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Vale Camaleón ahora śi que lo he entendido, eso me pasa por leer tan
rápido y no es la primera vez que me pasa...Voy a probar mañana, mil
gracias.

El tema es que las modificaciones de rutas o nateo las e hecho siempre
en el servidor VPN.

Saludos.

Camaleón no podia esperarme y al final lo he probado en remoto, me ha
funcionado. Mil gracias, es curioso a veces no leer bien crees una
cosa y luego es más fácil con tan sólo meterle la ruta en el servidor
destino donde quieres tener acceso y activando el ip_forward y
listo...

Muchas gracias.

Si hace falta postear algo más de como lo hice, que alguien me lo diga
pero creo que está bastante claro.

Saludos.

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Re: Acceso a openvvpn solo a 1 host

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 21:28, Maykel Franco
maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 20:23, Maykel Franco
maykeldeb...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 19:41, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 19:13:25 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 16:56, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com
escribió:
El Sun, 29 Sep 2013 16:05:34 +0200, Maykel Franco escribió:

Hola buenas, tengo montado varias vpn pero una en especial necesito
que
tenga acceso a un host en una red local del mismo rango.

(...)

Esto puede ser útil para seguridad.

(...)

Si me explico mal, por favor me dices.

Gracias nuevamente, seguiré mirando a ver...

Saludos,

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Vale Camaleón ahora śi que lo he entendido, eso me pasa por leer tan
rápido y no es la primera vez que me pasa...Voy a probar mañana, mil
gracias.

El tema es que las modificaciones de rutas o nateo las e hecho siempre
en el servidor VPN.

Saludos.

Muchas gracias.

Si hace falta postear algo más de como lo hice, que alguien me lo diga
pero creo que está bastante claro.

Saludos.

Se me ocurre una última cosa para completar este hilo y sería la
posibilidad de añadir resolución de hosts desde openvpn, es decir, del
tipo que se pudiera hacer:

push host svn.example.org 172.10.10.3

Se puede hacer con dns, pero sería más seguro que se pudiera añadir
desde openvpn la opción de host pero por lo que he buscado en google
solo he visto la opción de push para route, dhcp y dns.

Saludos.

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Re: Análisis de transmisión de paquetes de red

2013-09-29 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 03:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:02:40 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

(reenvío, parece que algunos mensajes de ayer se perdieron...)

Saludos a la lista. Quisiera saber si hay algún comando, o programa, que
permita analizar la transmisión de paquetes de red, porque hay veces que
mi navegador detiene la carga, no carga bien las páginas o se ven
feas... Caso particular los juegos de Zynga... y es incómodo eso.

Hombre, yo antes probaría con algunas cosas más sencillas como comprobar
si desde otro navegador pasa lo mismo, probar desde otro equipo con un
sistema operativo y/o navegador distinto, probar con otra conexión
diferente (de otro ISP) o a cargar la página problemática desde un proxy
online... y si en todos estos casos el problema persiste pues ya pensaría
en alguna otra cosa.

Con Iceweasel, fallo; desde otro equipo con Windows sí anda bien, pero
no está siempre disponible ESE equipo. No sé cómo cambiar de la ISP si
nisiquiera conozco la mía (y ni sé ese comando, si es que existe).

¿No les ha pasado que a veces una imagen pequeña se carga con un tamaño
abominable?

¿Qué? dije abominable...

Sí, alguna vez me ha pasado pero nada que tras vaciar la caché y los
datos del navegador no haya podido solucionar.

Sinceramente, me parece un poco exagerado usar alguna herramienta de
análisis de transmisión de paquetes como wireshark, tcpdump/ngrep o
ettercap para depurar este tipo de error :-)

Ayer, casualmente, el proveedor de la ISP tuvo una falla a nivel
local, que dejó al país sin Internet durante 5 horas. ¡Pasé la noche
sin poder usar mi máquina! Sólo pude jugar a los juegos instalados,
luego de eso dormí temprano. Pero fue una angustia sin poder saber la
causa de la falla. Por ello pienso que algún comando será de utilidad
para algún caso extremo. Eso, y que el router de repente se caiga
conmigo, y que los demás con Windows se les caiga como 6 intentos del
mío (a veces ni se les cae y al mío sí).

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Re: Análisis de transmisión de paquetes de red

2013-09-29 Thread Miguel Matos

El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 21:57, Miguel Matos
unefistano...@gmail.com escribió:
El día 29 de septiembre de 2013 03:24, Camaleón noela...@gmail.com escribió:
El Fri, 27 Sep 2013 21:02:40 -0430, Miguel Matos escribió:

(reenvío, parece que algunos mensajes de ayer se perdieron...)

Corrijo: sí me acuerdo cómo se hace: era editando
/etc/network/interfaces, ¿pero cómo hacer para cambiar los servidores
manteniendo el DHCP funcionar? Que sean los DNS sólo los fijos...

¿No les ha pasado que a veces una imagen pequeña se carga con un tamaño
abominable?

¿Qué? dije abominable...

Sí, alguna vez me ha pasado pero nada que tras vaciar la caché y los
datos del navegador no haya podido solucionar.

Sinceramente, me parece un poco exagerado usar alguna herramienta de
análisis de transmisión de paquetes como wireshark, tcpdump/ngrep o
ettercap para depurar este tipo de error :-)

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Re: flash plugin

2013-09-29 Thread Luís Cláudio A . Gama

Salve Thiago,

  Era somente o som do youtube que estava zoado.

  Pois bem, voltei o flashplugin-nonfree ( o extrasound estava
instalado ) e voltou a funcionar tudo.

  De qualquer maneira, mudei para o gnash, pois de vez em quando já
tinha observado que o flash não iniciava legal e tinha que reiniciar a
máquina para normalizar.

  Vou experimentar esse shockwave GNU.

  Obrigado
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Em 28 de setembro de 2013 19:16, Thiago Henrique Ferreira Zoroastro
thiagozoroas...@riseup.net escreveu:
 O som sumiu foi só do youtube?

 Experimenta isso:

 - Primeiro instale um pacote:
 $ sudo apt-get install flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound

 Voĉe pode encontrar todas as opções de pacotes declando TAB ao digitar os
 comandos. Se não funcionar aquilo, desinstale:

 $ sudo apt-get remove flashplugin-nonfree flashplugin-nonfree-extrasound

 Opção antes-de começar:
 - Desinstale o pacote não livre do flashplugin, no comando acima ^

 - E instale a opção Livre:
 $ sudo apt-get install gnash mozilla-plugin-gnash

 Estou certo, mais entendidos? (Namastê, mestres)
 Pode estar faltando pacotes facultativos pro Gnash ;)

 Se estiver tudo certo então , voalá Luís Claudio boa sorte :)

   Meu sistema até a semana passada estava funcionando legal ( youtube,
 charges.com.br ), porém esta semana parou de funcionar.

   O som sumiu e roda o vídeo somente cerca de 7s. Esta semana eu tive
 atualização de 3 pacotes, mas nada referente ao flashplayer.

   Eu estava usando o flashplugin-nonfree e coloquei o do adobe, mas
 ambos estão na mesma caca.

   Alguém teve problema semelhante?

   Att.

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Samba 4

2013-09-29 Thread Leandro

Pessoal o samba  gostaria de saber de vocês,
é possível mensurar quantos hosts eu consigo gerenciar usando o  samba4?

Ele de fato segura a onda?
outra questão é alguma funcionalidades ainda não estão 100% como dito na
pagina wiki do projeto
desculpe o post deve ter ficado um pouco fora do padrao mas quis transmitir
do jeito que ta no wiki.

A pergunta é vale a pena colocar isso em produção?



FSMO role transfer

*Warning: Currently seizing roles is not working 100% like expected!* See bug
report 9461 https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9461 for further
information and if it's fixed in the meantime.

You can transfer FSMO roles from an existing DC to a Samba AD
DChttps://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_AD_DC_HOWTO,
by seizing them from your Samba AD machine:

# samba-tool fsmo seize --role=

You can seize all five roles: rid, schema, naming, pdc and infrastructure
(you can use --role=all to seize all at once).

Currently the replication of the SysVol share isn't implemented. If you
make any changes on that share, you have to keep the shares on all your DCs
in sync manually (e. g. with an rsync cronjob). An example way how to
achieve this, you can find in the SysVol Replication
Howtohttps://wiki.samba.org/index.php/SysVol_Replication
.



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Re: Samba 4

2013-09-29 Thread ADIEL

Vale muito a pena. A unica funcionalidade ainda nao implementada foram as
florestas do AD. Vc consegue ate gerencia-lo com as ferramentas
administrativas do XP.
On Sep 29, 2013 7:57 PM, Leandro leandro...@gmail.com wrote:

 Pessoal o samba  gostaria de saber de vocês,
 é possível mensurar quantos hosts eu consigo gerenciar usando o  samba4?

 Ele de fato segura a onda?
 outra questão é alguma funcionalidades ainda não estão 100% como dito na
 pagina wiki do projeto
 desculpe o post deve ter ficado um pouco fora do padrao mas quis
 transmitir do jeito que ta no wiki.

 A pergunta é vale a pena colocar isso em produção?


 
 FSMO role transfer

 *Warning: Currently seizing roles is not working 100% like expected!* See bug
 report 9461 https://bugzilla.samba.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9461 for further
 information and if it's fixed in the meantime.

 You can transfer FSMO roles from an existing DC to a Samba AD 
 DChttps://wiki.samba.org/index.php/Samba_AD_DC_HOWTO,
 by seizing them from your Samba AD machine:

 # samba-tool fsmo seize --role=

 You can seize all five roles: rid, schema, naming, pdc and infrastructure
 (you can use --role=all to seize all at once).

 Currently the replication of the SysVol share isn't implemented. If you
 make any changes on that share, you have to keep the shares on all your DCs
 in sync manually (e. g. with an rsync cronjob). An example way how to
 achieve this, you can find in the SysVol Replication 
 Howtohttps://wiki.samba.org/index.php/SysVol_Replication
 .
 


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Re: should an end user stick to a kernel with an initrd?

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:27 AM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote:
On Sat, 28 Sep 2013 21:29:35 +0900 Joel Rees wrote:
On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 8:49 PM, Regid Ichira regi...@nt1.in wrote:
On Fri, 27 Sep 2013 19:06:43 -0400, Tom H wrote:
[...]
As I said, more or less, in a reply to Ralf, can you guarantee that no
other Linux user will have a disk renamed?

If I understand
http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/i386/apcs04.html.en correctly,
then yes. I can guarantee, as long as you don't have udev rules, or
other deliberate commands for renaming, including, perhaps by initrd,
that no other Linux user will have a disk renamed. Hotplug devices
might differ. I am not sure if hotplug devices actually require such
rules to guarantee stable names.

Old information. All disks pretend to be SCSI now.

That's sort of part of the problem, except, even when that page was
correct, there were conditions not mentioned.

If one drive spins up slow and comes up to speed out of order, the names
change.

For instance, you have three ATA disks attached in a certain order.
They would usually be given the spin-up command in the order they are
attached, and they would usually spin up in the same order.

If, for some reason, they spin up out of order, your naming changes.

I am not familiar with the ATA protocol.

I'd rag on you for theorizing about a protocol you are not familiar
with, but, hey, no one really knows what the protocol is. It's an
ad-hoc mess that, on the one hand, allows implementers lots of room to
cut corners, get a product to market, make profits, etc., but on the
other hand, outside of the manufacturer's declaration of intended use,
practically nothing is promised. And even in the manufacturer's
declaration of intended use there are lots of weasel words. The upshot
is that they only get excited if you can't get it to work with
MSWindows, with the manufacturer supplied drivers, running according
to the mostly unwritten rules Microsoft runs by and changes at their
own convenience.

ATA is one of the sins of Intel. Our sin is that we keep buying it from them.

Are you saying that the
kernel has no way to know the time on which each disk spined up?

I don't think I said that at all.

Doesn't the disk returns a SPINED_UP_AND_WAITING response, together
with its unique address?

Signal names are different, meaning is ever-so-slightly different,
and, oh, the controller is supposed to know which drive it's talking
to, so the disk doesn't bother saying. That's the whole reason for the
channel and master/slave arrangement. Malformed star topology.

The system and the hardware are supposed to cooperate to yield a
unique ID if the system thinks such things are necessary, and the
hardware, as I noted above, often cooperates by its own rules (if at
all).

SATA fixes some of that, maybe a lot of that, more so in recent
devices, but the kernel developers don't think it is their
responsibility to kick all the old hardware off the edge of the world,
so they can't rely on new parts of the spec. (And those improved parts
of the spec are still not uniformly and universally implemented in new
hardware, so we aren't really talking about just eliminating old
hardware from Linux support.)

With scsi, the disk address is determined by its physical
connection to the scsi cable. On the scsi cable, there is always a
connector that is most closest to the scsi controller. And a
connector that is next to the closest one, and so on.

You know, that doesn't sound like any SCSI I know, so I can't address
your theory at all beyond the above. The parallel SCSI devices I have
include a rotary switch that sets a 3 (well, 4) bit ID that,
concatenated to the bus id, becomes the SCSI id. Completely position
independent. Looking at the entry on SAS on Wikipedia, it looks like
manufactures are putting UUIDs in the devices themselves, comparable
to the MAC address on a NIC, I suppose, so there should be no position
dependency.

With real SCSI devices, but we don't have those.

Anyway, as Doug points out, it's not the devices themselves pretending
to be SCSI, it's the drivers presenting them as SCSI. The drivers are
manufacturing IDs with little reliable support from the devices
themselves. Thus the tendency towards the sins of UUIDs.

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FW: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Mark Allums


Yes, though they are for different voltages, typically 3.3V and 2.5V or
1.8V, see the voltage monitoring in the BIOS or MB monitor for the
values for a particular board.

You'll find two inductors, probably toroids, and a group of tall
aluminium electrolytic capacitors in the area. These electrolytics
carry a very high ripple current, and tend to run warm and to be the
weakest links in the system, as they will dry out with age, even if
they are run within their temperature and ripple specifications. But
linear regulators could not even be considered for this task.


Better MBs these days use solid caps.  There *is* a price premium, however.

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Re: duplicate emails

2013-09-29 Thread Chris Bannister

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:43:57AM -0400, Catherine Gramze wrote:
 But what is this unusual formatting of which you speak? Is it me using RTF 
 instead of plain text as my default setting, perhaps?

See above, no line breaks. Putting that aside for a minute, you should
set your mailer to plain text.

You are sending html formatted mail to the list which is a no no, but
since it is multipart/alternative there is a plain text copy as an
attachment also.

Regarding the formatting, you could hit the enter key after about 60
characters or so. (May not be easy to count them though.)

Have a google on the mailer name +formatting  for a setting in a
user/system preference file

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Re: Building computer - power supplies

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
 On 09/28/2013 03:23 PM, Stan Hoeppner wrote:
 On 9/27/2013 6:37 PM, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 9:36 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com 
 wrote:
 A point I forgot to make.  This is something everyone should know.

 Subject:  The marketing myth of multiple +12V rails
 [...]

 What I want to know is why Intel CPUs still need the +12V.

 They don't now and they never did.  The 8088 through 80486 and the first

 /snip/


 Installing two voltage regulators next to the CPU socket and using
 standard ~22 gauge copper wires from the 12V rail of the PSU solves the
 problem cheaply.  The 12V rail was chosen because 3.6x less current is
 required vs using the 3.3V rail as was used previously, which means much
 smaller wires are needed.
 /snip/

 Do I understand correctly that there are two switching power supply
 chips at the input to the CPU to produce 3.3Volts? Obviously, a linera
 regulator cannot produce and gain in current. Iin = Iout for linear
 regulators.

I7m confused. Did you mean can't produce a gain in current or power?

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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 19:02 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 I7m confused. Did you mean can't produce a gain in current or power?

Assumed there should be a linear voltage regulator able to provide the
needed Ampere, how large should the heat sink be? The voltage isn't an
issue. By a quick search I found a max. of 10 Ampere. My laboratory
power supply does provide only 2 Ampere and the heat sink is
10 cm x 10 cm x 5 cm small. The once mentioned in The Art Of
Electronics Horowitz/Hill original 1989 Cambridge University Press,
here the German translation 3. edition 1998 provide less than 10 Ampere.


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Building a computer for compiling and CPU emulation (Re: Building computer)

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com wrote:
On 9/27/2013 6:03 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 10:22 AM, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 7:09 AM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
On 9/26/2013 5:45 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 2:05 PM, Stan Hoeppner s...@hardwarefreak.com
wrote:
On 9/25/2013 12:52 PM, Catherine Gramze wrote:

Stan, joking aside, are there any AMD processors you would recommend
for doing kernel and driver level Android/ARM development in a VM?

How likely would I be to find such a processor in a netbook or laptop?

How likely is one to find a kernel developer doing any real work on a
laptop? Throwing a netbook into the question is just silly.

The reason I ask, Stan, is that I'm preparing to take a class where
I'll be studying Super H assembly language programming, writing device
drivers for an embedded SH3 running a Linux kernel, and such.

I read everything below but my reply will be brief, so going up top with
it. Performance options with portables is always limited due to power.
A few quick points:

1. If you're going to be compiling anything, cache size trumps clock
speed. If a smaller cache roughly equivalent CPU clocks more than ~30%
higher than big_cache CPU it becomes a horse race.

2. Do not use an in-order CPU, such as the Atom, regardless of clock
speed. The lack of branch prediction, rename registers, etc, will
hamstring a compiler.

3. If you're running a hypervisor, low level support such as AMD-V or
Intel VT will help.

Okay, ...

I'd like to prepare a portable emulation environment for the class,
since I know I'll be wanting to do homework when the lab is not
available. Renasas points to an SH4 emulator by Kawasaki-san that runs
under QEMU, but at times I will likely be debugging the emulator as
well as my own code. And I'll be doing a lot of compiles in the
emulated system.

I'll be biking to the class some days and walking other days, so I'd
like a 12 inch screen form factor to fit in my bag and not break my
back, which pretty much says netbook. Many netbooks have output for
external monitors, which will help at home, at least.

At this point, I've been kind of looking at Acer's Aspire (heh) V5-122
with an AMD A4-1250 and 4G RAM, or a similar V5 with an AMD A6-1450.
I'm trying to figure out whether they support QEMU. If so, I'm
thinking the 4-core A6 will be worth the extra 5000 yen, a pair of
core for the host OS and I/O, and another core for the emulation
environment makes three.

I'm also looking at an HP dm1-4400, but the processor there is an AMD
E2-1800, which seems to be last year's tech and a little heavier on
battery use. It's only two cores, and only 2G RAM in the version at
the store where I was looking at it (Sofmap in Umeda -- Osaka), but
maybe HP is sturdier than Acer. I need to look at that.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_AMD_mobile_microprocessors

tells me that AMD A4-1250, AMD A6-1450, and E2-1800 all have AMD-V.

The E2-1800 has a half-Meg L2 cache, but higher speed CPU (1.7GHz).

The A4-1250 has 1 Meg L2 cache but lower speed CPU (1.0 GHz).

The A6-1450 has 2 Meg L2 cache to share between twice the CPUs.

[...]

So now my problem is scraping up 55,000 yen +/-.

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Bash history not propagating.

2013-09-29 Thread Sharon Kimble

I'm having a problem with bash history. Basically, I do a lot of stuff
in tmux windows, and then when I open up another terminal window, but
not in tmux, it does not have the same history as in the tmux windows.
How can I get it so that they both mirror each other please?

I find it very easy to check on this as each command line has its
number place in the history file, so its easy to use in various
windows. 

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Re: Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-29 Thread Heimo Stranner

Thanks, your link led me to installing uim which fixed the problem.

On 2013-09-29 01:14, Siard wrote:
 Heimo Stranner wrote:
 I created a ~/.Xcompose file containing the following:

 include /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose

 Multi_key slash underscore equal : ≢ U2262 # Not identical to
 Multi_key slash backslash  : ⋀ U22C0 # N-ary locical and
 etc.

 I restarted X, rebooted but when I use one of the keycombos from
 above i only get a beep sound, but no character is inserted.
 I also tried pasting that lines directly at the end of
 /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose. Same result.
 
 This seems not to be working because of some bug. Here's one of several
 explanations that can be found: http://sourceforge.net/p/scim/bugs/73/
 
 However, I do have this working if I paste those customizations
 directly somewhere in /usr/share/X11/locale/en_US.UTF-8/Compose
 provided that:
 a) scim is uninstalled;
 b) ~/.XCompose is removed.
 
 So, for the time being, that could be a solution.
 
 


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Re: Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-29 Thread Heimo Stranner

Thanks but it was indeed a typo in the mail.
Got it working meanwhile by installing uim.

On 2013-09-28 23:55, Carl Johnson wrote:
 Heimo Stranner he...@stranner.org writes:
 
 I want to use my print key as compose key and use custom compose codes.

 I created a ~/.Xmodmap file containing the following:

 keycode 107 = Multi_key

 107 is the print key on my laptop (oddly placed between AltGr and Strg -
 it is a german keyboard layout).

 Then I run xmodmap .Xmodmap and so far everything works nicely
 (multi_key o e result in a œ as it should)

 Then I created a ~/.Xcompose file containing the following:
  ^ .XCompose ?
 
 It appears that it should be .XCompose, so is the above just a typo?  If
 that is not it, then I don't have any other ideas.
 


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Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-09-29 Thread Tony Baldwin

On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
  Friends,
  
  For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not.
  I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo, 
  but not for my user.
  
 Have you tried deleting .config/pcmanfm instead of replacing it with
 another user's files?

I moved ~/.config/pcmanfm (rather than delete), and this made no
difference.

 
 See this page for some other files that pcmanfm references -- maybe one
 of them is messed up and causing your problems.
 
 http://lkubaski.wordpress.com/2012/10/29/understanding-file-associations-in-lxde-and-pcmanfm/
 
I didn't find this useful at all, I'm afraid.

thanks, all the same.

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Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-29 Thread Chris Bannister

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:
 Shane Johnson wrote:
 I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else
 has been having problems as well?
 
 I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the
 wheezy rescue disk.
 
 I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running
 the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine.  Then I upgraded the kernel
 to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup.   I have
 made sure that initrd is updated and grub is updated.  Not sure on
 what the next step would be or if this is just a bug that I need to
 wait for it to be resolved or if I need to submit a bug?
 
 Thanks for your help.
 
 
 add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters.

Is this a known problem for this kernel?

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Re: Hibernate/resume fails after adding SSD to debian 7

2013-09-29 Thread Osamu Aoki

Hi,

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 12:31:01AM -0400, Len Berman wrote:
 I moved my SSD from SATA 1 - SATA 5 and reran update-initramfs.  The
 resume now works.  Don't understand why this should be the case since all
 disks are referenced by their UUIDs.

All tools might not support UUID on your system.  mount may be
isupported but resume scripts, at least, was not supporting UUID before.

Oh, one more thing.

I had problem with my SSD this week.  System root file system became
read-only and crashed badly  I turned out to be the firmware version
issue of Crucial/Micron RealSSD m4/C400/P400 causing problem after 5184
hours of usage. So, you may also wish to check:

$ sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda

or similar.  My case prints:

This drive may hang after 5184 hours of power-on time:\n
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Crucial-m4-Firmware-BSOD,14544.html\n;
See the following web pages for firmware updates:\n
http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx\n;
http://www.micron.com/products/solid-state-storage/client-ssd#software;,

I see many other drives has firmware bug issues.
/var/lib/smartmontools/drivedb/drivedb.h

Firmware update was iso image so I could do it without having any
windows for my drive. 

Osamu


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Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-29 Thread Georgi Naplatanov


On 09/29/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Shane Johnson wrote:

I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else
has been having problems as well?

I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the
wheezy rescue disk.

I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running
the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine.  Then I upgraded the kernel
to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup.   I have
made sure that initrd is updated and grub is updated.  Not sure on
what the next step would be or if this is just a bug that I need to
wait for it to be resolved or if I need to submit a bug?

Thanks for your help.



add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters.


Is this a known problem for this kernel?


Yes, it's written in the release notes.

Best regards
Georgi


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Re: cron and package upgrade

2013-09-29 Thread Chris Bannister

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 03:45:01PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 01:15 +1200, Chris Bannister wrote:
  On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 02:20:39AM +0200, Vincent Lefevre wrote:
   
   During important upgrades such as locales, I avoid doing things
   like starting an xterm... Usually, already running applications
  
  You do system upgrades WITH X running? :(
  
  If there is a problem with the upgrade of X, you could end up with a
  borked system, or one that is going to be a PITA to fix.
 
 If something should cause such an issue by an update while X is running,
 then I would restore from a backup and then do the backup with X not
 running.

(We're talking about an important upgrade. i.e 6.0 - 7.0)
Its easier not to open the can of worms in the first place, unless of
course you like putting them back, as a learning experience.

Consider ... during the upgrade X freezes. You now have the nasty decision
to risk a reboot (so you can perform the restore.) If it does reboot,
you'd better hope the restore suceeds!

And to top it all off, you are now back at square one, where a reboot
into single user mode would have been a lot easier.

I also think that an important upgrade. i.e 6.0 - 7.0) should be
planned and then executed with the posibility that something will go
wrong, ideally having tested the upgrade on a non descript machine
(preferrably a test machine, for this purpose.)


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RE: kernel compilation (was ... Re: Building computer)

2013-09-29 Thread Beco

On 29 September 2013 02:41, Chris Bannister cbannis...@slingshot.co.nz wrote:

 On Thu, Sep 26, 2013 at 11:57:43PM -0300, Beco wrote:
  On 26 September 2013 22:22, Tom H tomh0...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
   (I've compiled a kernel on a netbook; you'd better have a few hours to
   spare...)
  
  
  
  
  Questions for people who compile kernel and their machines:

 You are better off starting a new thread. You could create a subtopic by
 changing the subject.

 Now unfortunately, information about compiling a kernel is buried in
 a thread about building a computer. :(




From the thread Building computer, I've asked:

 On Thu, 2013-09-26 at 23:57 -0300, Beco wrote:
  How long a considered fast kernel compilation would last? I'd like
  to have a clue. And in what kind of computer (processor / RAM /
  anything else relevant)?

And I got some good answers that is better to join this thread:

Just to dig it:

Answer from Ralf:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01204.html

From Stan:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01212.html

From Johnatan:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01213.html

From Tom:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01214.html

From Stephen:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01245.html

From Stan:
https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01285.html


Also, the thread

Building a computer for compiling and CPU emulation (Re: Building computer)

https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/09/msg01317.html

Started by Joel Rees now looks like a duplicate. Please, join here.

Thanks.
Beco.





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Re: pcmanfm no window/gui, one user only

2013-09-29 Thread Rob Owens

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 02:14:34PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
 On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:38:19PM -0400, Rob Owens wrote:
  On Fri, Sep 27, 2013 at 08:11:10PM +0200, Tony Baldwin wrote:
   Friends,
   
   For some reason, when I try to use pcmanfm as my user, I can not.
   I can start it as other users on the system, or with gksu or sudo, 
   but not for my user.
   
  Have you tried deleting .config/pcmanfm instead of replacing it with
  another user's files?
 
 I moved ~/.config/pcmanfm (rather than delete), and this made no
 difference.
 
Without running pcmanfm, run 'ps aux | grep pcmanfm' to see if there's a
pcmanfm process already running.  If there is, kill it with either
'killall pcmanfm' or 'kill 1234' (where 1234 is the process id).  Then
check to make sure it was killed with 'ps aux | grep pcmanfm'

Once it's killed, try running pcmanfm again.  If it doesn't work, run
the 'ps' command again to see if a process is running.  If there's not,
then presumably it crashed right away.  If there is, then it's hanging
on something.  I really don't know what to do after that, but this might
be useful information to pass to the developer if you file a bug.  Or
maybe it'll give some clues to others on this list.

You can also try checking the system logs for clues.  Note the time you
try to run pcmanfm and then search /var/log/messages and /var/log/syslog
to see what is reported at that time.  You probably need to be root to
view those logs.

-Rob


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Re: Bash history not propagating.

2013-09-29 Thread Curt

On 2013-09-29, Sharon Kimble boudic...@talktalk.net wrote:

 I'm having a problem with bash history. Basically, I do a lot of stuff
 in tmux windows, and then when I open up another terminal window, but
 not in tmux, it does not have the same history as in the tmux windows.
 How can I get it so that they both mirror each other please?


This looks promising:

http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1288/preserve-bash-history-in-multiple-terminal-windows


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Creating various type of installer

2013-09-29 Thread Antispammbox-debian





Which program use to create installers for netboot, cdrom, hdd media?

Which configurations for Wheezy, minimal installation?



Thanks


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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Doug

On 09/29/2013 06:02 AM, Joel Rees wrote:
 On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 5:18 AM, Doug dmcgarr...@optonline.net wrote:
/snip/

 Do I understand correctly that there are two switching power supply
 chips at the input to the CPU to produce 3.3Volts? Obviously, a linera
 regulator cannot produce and gain in current. Iin = Iout for linear
 regulators.
 
 I7m confused. Did you mean can't produce a gain in current or power?
 
 --
 Joel Rees

There's a type there. The word and should read any.
A linear regulator can only output as much current as goes in to it--
it functions as a variable resistance witha regulated voltage output.
A switching regulator takes an available amount of _power_, that is,
voltage times current, and converts it into another voltage times
current, of the _same_ power, so you can see that 12V * 1A input
can be translated into 2.4V * 5A = 12W either way. (That assumes
100% efficiency, which is impossible, but is used for illustration.)
So a linear regulator is a lossy device; a switching regulator
_approaches_ lossless translation of power from one voltage to
another.
This discussion assumes DC voltage, of course. For AC, there's
a transformer. Modern power supplies do not use the transformer at the
line frequency, because it would take far too much iron, and be large
and heavy. They rectify the line voltage into DC, and then use a
switching regulator, operating at frequencies in the Kilohertz range,
which does have a transformer, but it is small and light, due to the
frequency of the switched AC voltage. The output of this high frequency
transformer is again rectified to produce the DC needed in the
device it supplies.
For switching regulators that do not require isolation, as the
line-frequency supplies do, the transformer may be replaced by an
inductor.
Hope this clears the air--doug

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Re: Problem getting compose-key to work with .XCompose

2013-09-29 Thread Slavko

Hi,

Dňa Sun, 29 Sep 2013 13:45:56 +0200 Heimo Stranner he...@stranner.org
napísal:

 Thanks, your link led me to installing uim which fixed the problem.
 
 On 2013-09-29 01:14, Siard wrote:
  a) scim is uninstalled;
  b) ~/.XCompose is removed.
  
  So, for the time being, that could be a solution.

I have ~/.XCompose working without scim/uim installed under XFCE and
Debian testing. I have exported variables:

GTK_IM_MODULE=xim
QT_IM_MODULE=xim

These was set some years ago, in time when the KDE4 was incoming into
testing and i switched to XFCE.

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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Doug

On 09/29/2013 06:47 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
 On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 19:02 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
 I7m confused. Did you mean can't produce a gain in current or power?
 
 Assumed there should be a linear voltage regulator able to provide the
 needed Ampere, how large should the heat sink be? The voltage isn't an
 issue. By a quick search I found a max. of 10 Ampere. My laboratory
 power supply does provide only 2 Ampere and the heat sink is
 10 cm x 10 cm x 5 cm small. The once mentioned in The Art Of
 Electronics Horowitz/Hill original 1989 Cambridge University Press,
 here the German translation 3. edition 1998 provide less than 10 Ampere.
 
 
The size of heatsinks is a function of the heat dissipated in the active
device, whether it be a regulator, an amplifier, or a rectifier, or even
a power resistor. It is then a function of the heat transfer
characteristics of the heat sink. That is dependent on the size of the
sink, but also on the number and size of the radiating fins, if any, and
the airflow around the sink, whether is is convection, or aided
by a fan. All of this is calculated by the maximum desired (or
allowable) temperature of the active device, the thermal resistance of
the device to the heatsink, and the thermal resistance of the heatsink
to the ambient air, which is usually defined as being 25 degrees C.
All of this is not done by seat-of-the-pants design, but by published
specifications of all the devices--the active device, the insulator, if
any, the heatsink, and the airflow. The calculations are
straightforward, but will not be related here.

--doug

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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 11:36 -0400, Doug wrote:
 So a linear regulator is a lossy device

law of conservation of energy ---
energy exchange --
thermal conduction

If you use it as voltage stabiliser + heater, it provides 100%
efficiency too. It's simply a question of the point of view.

;)


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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread Ralf Mardorf

On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 13:20 -0400, Doug wrote:
 On 09/29/2013 06:47 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
  On Sun, 2013-09-29 at 19:02 +0900, Joel Rees wrote:
  I7m confused. Did you mean can't produce a gain in current or power?
  
  Assumed there should be a linear voltage regulator able to provide the
  needed Ampere, how large should the heat sink be? The voltage isn't an
  issue. By a quick search I found a max. of 10 Ampere. My laboratory
  power supply does provide only 2 Ampere and the heat sink is
  10 cm x 10 cm x 5 cm small. The once mentioned in The Art Of
  Electronics Horowitz/Hill original 1989 Cambridge University Press,
  here the German translation 3. edition 1998 provide less than 10 Ampere.
  
  
 The size of heatsinks is a function of the heat dissipated in the active
 device, whether it be a regulator, an amplifier, or a rectifier, or even
 a power resistor. It is then a function of the heat transfer
 characteristics of the heat sink. That is dependent on the size of the
 sink, but also on the number and size of the radiating fins, if any, and
 the airflow around the sink, whether is is convection, or aided
 by a fan. All of this is calculated by the maximum desired (or
 allowable) temperature of the active device, the thermal resistance of
 the device to the heatsink, and the thermal resistance of the heatsink
 to the ambient air, which is usually defined as being 25 degrees C.
 All of this is not done by seat-of-the-pants design, but by published
 specifications of all the devices--the active device, the insulator, if
 any, the heatsink, and the airflow. The calculations are
 straightforward, but will not be related here.

Sure, some heat sinks can be smaller than others, for the same task, but
assumed there should be a linear voltage regulator  10 Ampere, the
needed heat sink would be huge or a fan would be needed and as you
already pointed out, the ampere input has to be as high as the output.


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Re: Bash history not propagating.

2013-09-29 Thread Sharon Kimble

On Sun, 29 Sep 2013 15:23:25 + (UTC)
Curt cu...@free.fr wrote:

 On 2013-09-29, Sharon Kimble boudic...@talktalk.net wrote:
 
  I'm having a problem with bash history. Basically, I do a lot of
  stuff in tmux windows, and then when I open up another terminal
  window, but not in tmux, it does not have the same history as in
  the tmux windows. How can I get it so that they both mirror each
  other please?
 
 
 This looks promising:
 
 http://unix.stackexchange.com/questions/1288/preserve-bash-history-in-multiple-terminal-windows
 
Thanks for this Curt, I'm now evaluating it to see if it does work
okay. Just got to wait for a download to finish before restarting tmux.

Thanks
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Re: Building computer - power supplies

2013-09-29 Thread David Guntner

From http://www.debian.org/News/weekly/2011/05/#offtopic ...

Have you ever wanted to discuss things completely unrelated to Debian or
even computers with fellow users or developers? On debian-user the
custom is to put [OT] in the subject and fire away.

Unfortunately, this can be disruptive for uninterested subscribers,
especially on a high volume mailing list like debian-user. Because of
this, with the kind support of Holger Levsen and the Debian Community
project, the d-community-offtopic list has been created.

http://lists.alioth.debian.org/mailman/listinfo/d-community-offtopic

The list is open to anyone, just like most other Debian lists, so all
you have to do is to CC and set Reply-To to the list, so that whoever is
interested will know discussion is moving to that list. Have fun and be
excellent to each other!


Hint.  Hint.  Hint.

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just released Grml 2013.09

2013-09-29 Thread sp113438

Hi All,

To have a new boot-entry with grml:

put grml64-full_2013.09.iso (or another one, see below) in
the /boot/grml directory

sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot

sudo update-grub

get the iso at: http://grml.org/download/


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Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-29 Thread Hugo Vanwoerkom


Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

On 09/29/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Shane Johnson wrote:

I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else
has been having problems as well?

I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the
wheezy rescue disk.

I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running
the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine.  Then I upgraded the kernel
to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup.   I have
made sure that initrd is updated and grub is updated.  Not sure on
what the next step would be or if this is just a bug that I need to
wait for it to be resolved or if I need to submit a bug?

Thanks for your help.



add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters.


Is this a known problem for this kernel?


Yes, it's written in the release notes.


You have a link for that?

Hugo


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Re: Problem with kernel-image-3.10-2-amd64

2013-09-29 Thread Georgi Naplatanov




On 09/30/2013 02:03 AM, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Georgi Naplatanov wrote:

On 09/29/2013 05:24 PM, Chris Bannister wrote:

On Sat, Sep 28, 2013 at 11:52:00AM -0500, Hugo Vanwoerkom wrote:

Shane Johnson wrote:

I have been fighting this all night and was wondering if anyone else
has been having problems as well?

I am doing a new install via debootstrap to a lvm2 volume via the
wheezy rescue disk.

I got it running in wheezy then went to jessie and while I was running
the 3.2 kernel from wheezy it booted fine.  Then I upgraded the kernel
to 3.10 in jessie and it says it can't find the volume goup.   I have
made sure that initrd is updated and grub is updated.  Not sure on
what the next step would be or if this is just a bug that I need to
wait for it to be resolved or if I need to submit a bug?

Thanks for your help.



add 'rootdelay=5'(w/o the quotes) to the boot parameters.


Is this a known problem for this kernel?


Yes, it's written in the release notes.


You have a link for that?

Hugo




http://www.debian.org/releases/stable/amd64/release-notes/ch-upgrading.en.html#boot-timing

It's for wheezy, I didn't see you have a problem with newer kernel.

Best regards
Georgi


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Re: just released Grml 2013.09

2013-09-29 Thread Stephen Allen

On Sun, Sep 29, 2013 at 10:38:49PM +0200, sp113438 wrote:
 Hi All,
 
 To have a new boot-entry with grml:
 
 put grml64-full_2013.09.iso (or another one, see below) in
 the /boot/grml directory
 
 sudo apt-get install grml-rescueboot
 
 sudo update-grub
 
 get the iso at: http://grml.org/download/
 

Thanks!


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