RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Weight and Action Question

2004-04-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Yep, a configuration of WEIGHT10 DELETE and a WEIGHT20 HOLD would indeed
delete a message with a weight of 21.

Something you mentioned earlier prompts me to point out another thing; the
veterans in the list generally regard HOLD messages not as something they
have to check out several times a day to manually sort, but rather as a
convenient way to not bug the intended recipient while we are still able to
retrieve and deliver the mail for that recipient in case of a false
positive.

The net result is that we're more likely to err by holding a message than to
err by deleting it!

For reviewing messages, SpamReview is very popular; I stopped using it a
long time ago, though, due to the high volume I get (I delete very little).
Also, the \imail\spool\spam folder will of course grow in time, so you'll
want a handy utility that you can schedule to delete messages there that are
older than whatever time you choose.  See the Declude website, Tools page
for links to these and other tools.

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: Goran Jovanovic [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:28 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Weight and Action Question


 
 Think of it this way -- if you used the HOLD action for E-mail with a
 weight of 5 or higher, and the DELETE action for E-mail with a weight
of
 10
 or higher, which action would you want taken on an E-mail with a
weight of
 25?
 

In your description I would want the DELETE taken. 

I was thinking of the whole thing is a different light. Specific test
gets action taken first then aggregate tests like WEIGHT20 get taken in
highest to lowest weight order. Then other things...

To paraphrase you JunkMail looks through all the actions of all the
tests that have been tripped starting with the most severe (strict)
DELETE and working down the list.

So if you did it wrong and setup WEIGHT10 DELETE and WEIGHT20 HOLD then
all e-mail with a weight of 10 or higher would be deleted and none would
be held. Right? OK you would have to be mostly asleep to set it up this
way...

Goran

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ASCII code

2004-04-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Yep, also 0x20, also #20

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: John Tolmachoff (Lists) [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 10:47 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ASCII code


A space is %20, correct?

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You



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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Dangerous img dynsrc tag in body

2004-04-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Good tip!

This is what the web page is using:

http://netsecurity.about.com/cs/generalsecurity/a/aa021504.htm

to download a file it creates called C:\Program Files\Internet
Explorer\Iesearch.exe

by downloading and rename the file http://68.192.132.122:8067/mstasks.dat
which my latest Trend Micro OfficeScan has never seen before.

Here's a copy of the original 'sploit:

http://www.securityfocus.com/archive/1/358913

and yes, there is a patch.  It is:

http://www.microsoft.com/technet/security/bulletin/MS04-013.mspx

which was part of the April Critical Patch update.

Oh, and the website is hosted at:

ool-44c0847a.dyn.optonline.net

so this is a zombie running a webserver on somebody's home machine.

Andrew 8)

-Original Message-
From: Adrian Hauri [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 9:34 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Dangerous img dynsrc tag in body


Just for your information:

We received a couple of Spam emails (fake ebay notifications) with the
following dangerous tag in the body:

img dynsrc=javascript:window.open('http://68.192.132.122_:8067/')
(I added the _ at the end so it doesn't harm anyone)

As soon as you open the email, the window will open the url.
The website hosts a dangerous ActiveX script that gets executed as soon as
you open the website.

The Antivirus(F-prot, AVG, McAfee) did not find a virus in the email and let
it through because it's just a html tag.

I added a body filter that searches for img
dynsrc=javascript:window.open( and trash all emails based on that.


Adrian

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

OK if I am right the US Treasury Department needs help!
Very much so:

They identified themselves as 10.0.7.238 instead of a host.domain !!??
This is very bad.
There are actually 3 problems with this:

[1] They did not identify themselves using a host name, which is the 
standard method.
[2] They technically *did* identify themselves as a host name (10.0.7.238 
in that context is a host name, not an IP).  The host name 10.0.7.238 
doesn't exist.  If you use an IP rather than a hostname, you need to have 
it in brackets.
[3] The IP they tried but failed to identify themselves as is a private IP, 
and therefore would be invalid anyway.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Weight and Action Question

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

To paraphrase you JunkMail looks through all the actions of all the
tests that have been tripped starting with the most severe (strict)
DELETE and working down the list.
That's another way of looking at it.  In this case, if there is a conflict 
with an action that has already been taken, the one that has already been 
taken will have priority.

So if you did it wrong and setup WEIGHT10 DELETE and WEIGHT20 HOLD then
all e-mail with a weight of 10 or higher would be deleted and none would
be held. Right? OK you would have to be mostly asleep to set it up this
way...
Correct.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Scott's tests

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

The header of my message to the list is showing

X-Weight: -17 (FIVETENIGNORE, SPFPASS, CURRENT, HEUR3, SPAMCHK)
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [208.154.200.6]
Scott, would you please comment on the last 4 : SPFPASS, CURRENT, HEUR3,
SPAMCHK
I suppose that i am now  passing SPF?  but why did i fail last 3 ?
You are correct about SPFPASS (it's a good thing).  CURRENT and HEUR3 can 
be ignored (they are internal tests we use here).  SPAMCHK can also be 
ignored (since we have it at the strictest settings).  So the only one that 
might be worth concern is FIVETENIGNORE -- but we're also listed in one of 
the FIVETEN* tests, so it isn't something to be too concerned about (they 
list entire ISPs in FIVETENIGNORE).

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[Declude.JunkMail] More AOL problems

2004-04-21 Thread Serge
Hi all
any help appreciated
Is this specific for this sender ? or a problem with my server/DNS configs ?
I do not see AOL acknowledging my IP adress anywhere .
TIA

Here is my log

20040414 082409 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) processing
F:\Imail\spool\Qf19c0a01026e5656.SMD
20040414 082411 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) Trying aol.com (0)
20040414 082411 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) Connect aol.com
[64.12.138.57:25] (1)
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220-rly-xk06.mx.aol.com
ESMTP mail_relay_in-xk6.10; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:14 -0500
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220-America Online (AOL) and
its affiliated companies do not
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- authorize the use
of its proprietary computers and computer
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- networks to accept,
transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- e-mail sent from
the internet.  Effective immediately:  AOL
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- may no longer
accept connections from IP addresses which
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220  have no reverse-DNS
(PTR record) assigned.
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) EHLO mail.cefib.com
20040414 082415 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 250-rly-xk06.mx.aol.com
mail.cefib.com
20040414 082415 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 250 HELP
20040414 082415 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) MAIL
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 250 OK
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) rdeliver aol.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2610
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) QUIT
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 221 SERVICE CLOSING CHANNEL
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) finished
F:\Imail\spool\Qf19c0a01026e5656.SMD  status=1

And here is aol reply :

Reporting-MTA: dns; rly-xk06.mx.aol.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:24 -0400 (EDT)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; air-xk01.mail.aol.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 lamintd IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:39 -0400 (EDT)



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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Scott's tests

2004-04-21 Thread Serge
these would be scott's logs, since these test where done on his server


- Original Message - 
From: Markus Gufler [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 5:51 AM
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Scott's tests



  Scott, would you please comment on the last 4 : SPFPASS,
  CURRENT, HEUR3, SPAMCHK I suppose that i am now  passing SPF?
   but why did i fail last 3 ?

 For SPAMCHK please provide the spamchk log's for this message.

 Markus


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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] More AOL problems

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

any help appreciated
Is this specific for this sender ? or a problem with my server/DNS configs ?
I do not see AOL acknowledging my IP adress anywhere .
This:

20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220-rly-xk06.mx.aol.com
ESMTP mail_relay_in-xk6.10; Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:14 -0500
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220-America Online (AOL) and
its affiliated companies do not
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- authorize the use
of its proprietary computers and computer
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- networks to accept,
transmit, or distribute unsolicited bulk
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- e-mail sent from
the internet.  Effective immediately:  AOL
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220- may no longer
accept connections from IP addresses which
20040414 082414 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 220  have no reverse-DNS
(PTR record) assigned.
Is the standard AOL boilerplate SMTP greeting that they send to everyone.

20040414 082415 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) MAIL
FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) 250 OK
20040414 082424 127.0.0.1   SMTP (0884048F) rdeliver aol.com
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (1) [EMAIL PROTECTED] 2610
I believe something is missing here (RCPT TO and DATA lines), but the 
rdeliver line indicates that the E-mail was successfully sent.

And here is aol reply :

Reporting-MTA: dns; rly-xk06.mx.aol.com
Arrival-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:24 -0400 (EDT)
Final-Recipient: RFC822; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Action: failed
Status: 5.1.1
Remote-MTA: DNS; air-xk01.mail.aol.com
Diagnostic-Code: SMTP; 550 lamintd IS NOT ACCEPTING MAIL FROM THIS SENDER
Last-Attempt-Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2004 04:24:39 -0400 (EDT)
That means that after AOL received the E-mail, they bounced 
it.  Presumably, the AOL user does not want mail from [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
(perhaps they reported it as spam).  That may not be the case, however 
(bounce message reasons are often vague, confusing, or completely wrong).

   -Scott
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread System Administrator
on 4/20/04 3:16 PM, Matt wrote:

 NOTCONTAINS would be incredibly helpful for lots of filters, though of course
 all forms of NOT filters would be good addition, but NOTCONTAINS is the most
 flexible and therefore capable, especially to defeat a counterbalancing filter
 so that it doesn't credit too much.

I agree 100%! 

 I'm sure you probably have a reason for this, but you might consider
 whitelisting your own address space and using Hijack for spam prevention.  If
 you were on IMail 8, WHITELIST AUTH and PREWHITELIST ON wouldn't be bad ideas
 either if you required AUTH.

We're an ISP and we believe we can't whitelist our addresses and we
definitely can't require authentication.

 I believe that Entourage on a Mac will fail CMDSPACE,

No, you misread one of of my original messages when CMDSPACE was released
and have continued to state that Entourage on a Mac will fail CMDSPACE when
that is not true.
 
 least sometimes fail this new HELOIP test,

Yes, Microsoft's Entourage (Mac) and Apple's Mail both fail the new HELOISIP
test. 

If I get some time I may install some other Mac OS X e-mail clients to see
if they fail the same test. That might let me know if the problem is an
e-mail client problem or a Unix (BSD under the Mac interface) problem.

By the way, have you fixed the problem with your external size program?

Later,
Greg

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?

2004-04-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Yeah, I got sick of modifying my setups for others mistakes..  I've just
ended up forwarding them the message with the internet headers telling them
what the problem is, how to fix it, and that messages from them will be
blocked/reviewed until the problems are fixed..  Haven't gotten any
respsonses though..  Goes with the normal IT mentality..  It's not our
problem, its yours..  Your setup is wrong..  Ours is perfect..  UGH!  I
hate hearing that..  Right there I know they don't even want to look at
their logs, etc to try and resolve the problem..

-Original Message-
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 11:30 PM
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?

My personal oppioion is that ISP's, government agencies, Technology
companies should be held to a higher standard than the average business. If
they are not following standards then they should be held for review. They
can be comprimized by zombies just like everyone else.

After reviwing the held messages then notify the admin of the problem. 

I think part of the problem with false positives are the people finding the
misconfigurations are modifying their rule sets to accomidate the failure of
other mail admins to configure their systems correctly. When they should be
notifying them of their problems so they can fix them.


Kevin Bilbee

 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Goran 
 Jovanovic
 Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2004 8:11 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?
 
 
 OK if I am right the US Treasury Department needs help!
 
 They identified themselves as 10.0.7.238 instead of a host.domain !!?? 
 This is very bad.
 
 There is a REVDNS for the sending IP
 66.77.65.238 PTR record: lists.qai.irs.gov
 
 What am I asking here? Perhaps it is just amazement that the e-mail 
 got out like this. I suppose there is nothing that we can do from this 
 end except build enough room in our tests to prevent legit stuff from 
 getting caught.
 
 The more I look into this SPAM stuff the scarier it gets.
 
 -
 
 Received: from 10.0.7.238 [66.77.65.238] by tlsonline.com
   (SMTPD32-8.10 ) id A63E11DB00DA; Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:56:30 -0400
 Date: Tue, 20 Apr 2004 12:55:42 -0400 (EDT)
 Message-Id: 
 [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 ts.treas.g
 ov
 From: US Treasury Release: News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 To: US Treasury Release: News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [US Treasury] Treasury and IRS Address Foreign Tax Credit, 
 Partnership Transactions
 List-Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 List-Subscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Reply-To: US Treasury Release: News [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-Message-Id: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-RBL-Warning: NOABUSE: Not supporting [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 X-RBL-Warning: HELOBOGUS: Domain 10.0.7.238 has no MX or A records 
 [0301].
 X-RBL-Warning: IPNOTINMX: 
 X-RBL-Warning: NOLEGITCONTENT: No content unique to legitimate E-mail 
 detected.
 X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [66.77.65.238]
 X-Declude-Spoolname: D563e11db00dae005.SMD
 X-Note: This E-mail was sent from lists.qai.irs.gov ([66.77.65.238]).
 X-Spam-Tests-Failed: NOABUSE, HELOBOGUS, IPNOTINMX, NOLEGITCONTENT, 
 HELOISIP, HELOISIPX [7]
 X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail
 (www.declude.com) for spam.
 X-Note: Total spam weight of this E-mail is 7.
 X-Country-Chain: 
 Organization: The LAN Shoppe
 
 
  
  Goran Jovanovic
  The LAN Shoppe
 
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[Declude.JunkMail] This got through.. -Question-

2004-04-21 Thread Jeff Maze - Hostmaster
Just a question..  The message below (internet headers listed only) got
through and only failed on the CMDSPACE test..  But one of the X-Notes
states the there was a timeout looking up the IP address (it's
24-51-32-177.kntnny.adelphia.net)..

Anyway, I was wondering if there was a test could be added that would add a
low-weight (say 2 or 3) for timeouts during DNS lookups?  Only bad thing, if
your DNS server fails, so will a majority of your messages..  Any thoughts?

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Received: from emailaddresses.com [24.51.32.177] by mail.crescentdigital.com
  (SMTPD32-6.06) id ABBD117012A; Wed, 21 Apr 2004 01:50:53 -0400
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Cheapest Only Shop [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Your Doctor say no? We will say yes! 82928
Date: Wed, 21 Apr 2004 00:50:40 -0500
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: multipart/alternative;
boundary==_NextPart_600_2990_759E2990.759E2990
X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
X-MSMail-Priority: Normal
X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158
X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165
X-RBL-Warning: CMDSPACE: Space found in RCPT TO: command .
X-Declude-Sender: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [24.51.32.177]
X-Note: This E-mail was scanned by Declude JunkMail (www.declude.com) for
spam.
X-Spam-Tests-Failed: CMDSPACE [8]
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] OT: ASCII code

2004-04-21 Thread DLAnalyzer Support
Correct... 

Darrell 

John Tolmachoff (Lists) writes: 

A space is %20, correct? 

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] HELOBOGUS, HELOISIP and HELOISIPX questions

2004-04-21 Thread Bud Durland
Goran Jovanovic wrote:

This is parts of a header I received and I just want to check a few
things
So the spammer thought that he would use my IP address in the HELO line
205.150.108.8 to identify his domain, even though his real IP address is
220.185.227.109?
Obviously an IP address is not a valid domain so it fails the HELOBOGUS
test?
It failed the HELOISIP test because the domain was an IP address?
 

Yes.  It would be more correct to say that HELOISIP failed because the 
domain _contained_ an IP address.  205.150.108.8.this.is.a.host.name 
would also have failed HELOISIP

It failed the HELOISIPX test ... not sure why since there is no reverse
DNS to parse?
 

It failed HELOISIPX because the host name is a pure IP address.  
205.150.108.8.this.is.a.host.name will *not* fail HELOISIPX.

In the next release, both tests will not fail host names bracketed IP 
format [205.150.108.8]

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[Declude.JunkMail] Where did the RHSBL list go?

2004-04-21 Thread Dan Geiser



Hello, All,
Could someone tell me where I might find the list 
of RHSBL tests which used to be listed at the bottom of this page the old List 
of all Known DNS-Based Spam Databsaes? The new document is here, http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=97, 
but the RHSBL information seems to be have been removed.

Thanks In Advance,
Dan Geiser
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Where did the RHSBL list go?

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

Could someone tell me where I might find the list of RHSBL tests which 
used to be listed at the bottom of this page the old List of all Known 
DNS-Based Spam Databsaes?  The new document is here, 
http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=97http://www.declude.com/Articles.asp?ID=97, 
but the RHSBL information seems to be have been removed.
Thanks for pointing that out -- it looks like they were accidentally 
removed.  I'll contact the person handling the new web site and let him 
know about this.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] US Treasury cannot do it right?

2004-04-21 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
Well, I well mention his first name, blast shields up first. (He has a way
of irritating people.)

Len Conrad, most often seen on the Imail list. 

John Tolmachoff
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 John,
 
  Took getting Len
  involved to set him straight.
 
 Who is Len?
 
 
  Goran Jovanovic
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread Hirthe, Alexander
Hello Sysadmin,

it would be nice, if you could use a real name.

 We're an ISP and we believe we can't whitelist our addresses and we
 definitely can't require authentication.
Why not? 
We do the same job, and I thought the same. 
But if all would think so, we will never get of the spammers. 
So (about 1,5 years ago) I decided to _require_ Auth, and we informed our
customers about it.
Some of them asked, most not.

Tell them, they will get 10% less Spam, if you will require Auth, and they
will love it :))

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread Markus Gufler

 We're an ISP and we believe we can't whitelist our addresses and we 
 definitely can't require authentication.


If you haven't your own network (ISP backbone) or users connecting from a
defined range of IP's you SHOULD switch to SMTP-AUTH and you CAN prepare
some usefull how-to pages, then inform your customers and give them some
weeks to adapt the settings.

With a little bit log-parsing you can also identify users that haven't
enabled jet SMTP-AUTH and send them an additional alert.

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread System Administrator
on 4/21/04 11:17 AM, John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote:

 Why are you so much different than other ISPs that you can not force
 authentication?

Try to imagine having to contact thousands of subscribers and walk them
through changing their settings. Even if we only took a minute to help each
subscriber (and I can guarantee you a minute isn't even close to the time it
would take to help our subscribers) were looking at 5+ 24 hour days doing
nothing but that. 


 If you really think about it, if you are not forcing
 authentication, you are ripe to allowing spamming and run-away viruses.

Why? Could you please explain that logic to me as I don't understand it.

We don't seem to be listed on any spam databases, see
http://www.dnsstuff.com/tools/ip4r.ch?ip=12.4.184.4 .

Later,
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[Declude.JunkMail] Processing load on machine

2004-04-21 Thread Paul Fuhrmeister
If the following is in the Global.cfg file, is it true that 
dnsbl.sorbs.net will be queried once and the result will be 
evaluated 8 times?

SORBS-HTTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.2   5   0
SORBS-SOCKS ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.3   5   0
SORBS-MISC  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.4   5   0
SORBS-SMTP  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.5   5   0
SORBS-SPAM  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.6   7   0
SORBS-WEB   ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.7   5   0
SORBS-BLOCK ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.8   5   0
SORBS-DUHL  ip4rdnsbl.sorbs.net 127.0.0.10  6   0

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
  Why are you so much different than other ISPs that you can not force
  authentication?
 
 Try to imagine having to contact thousands of subscribers and walk them
 through changing their settings. Even if we only took a minute to help
each
 subscriber (and I can guarantee you a minute isn't even close to the time
it
 would take to help our subscribers) were looking at 5+ 24 hour days doing
 nothing but that.

I, as well as every one else, understands that. What you need to do is
formulate a plan to implement over say a month. Start with broadcast
announcements and such. Then, start migrating your users in blocks. Yes, it
would be a lot of work. But the results are worth it.

  If you really think about it, if you are not forcing
  authentication, you are ripe to allowing spamming and run-away viruses.
 
 Why? Could you please explain that logic to me as I don't understand it.

I assume you are relaying for addresses in Imail SMTP. (If you are relaying
for users or domains, you have no idea about relay settings.) That means
that any one using one of those addresses can send out millions of spam
e-mails through your server and there is nothing you can do about it. This
includes users that may have viruses on their computers, and are now acting
as robots.

John Tolmachoff
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread Matt




John,

Dial-up ISP's, especially smaller ones, are very unlikely to be
targeted by spammers due to the dynamic nature of the IP space. There
one minute, gone the next...and the bandwidth sucks. Almost all
viruses don't use mail servers to spread, so SMTP AUTH won't stop them
either, but blocking port 25 would along with a host of other
techniques which are less restrictive on legitimate use such as
monitoring/automatic shuttoff of accounts.

I looked up Greg's IP space in SenderBase and there are absolutely no
signs of dial-up IP's leaking spam or viruses, and only his MX servers
have any SpamCop hits, and these might be primarily related to his
gateway accepting all locally addressed mail which then might get
bounced by his primary IMail server for being unaddressable (I'm
guessing here based on his lone abuse newsgroup listing). Even I have
this problem currently due to software limitations, and it's going to
cost me a good deal of money and time to create a work around so that I
can do envelope rejection on the gateways.

Overall I would say he's about as clean as they come and there's no
cause for alarm.

Matt



John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote:

  

  Why are you so much different than other ISPs that you can not force
authentication?
  

Try to imagine having to contact thousands of subscribers and walk them
through changing their settings. Even if we only took a minute to help

  
  each
  
  
subscriber (and I can guarantee you a minute isn't even close to the time

  
  it
  
  
would take to help our subscribers) were looking at 5+ 24 hour days doing
nothing but that.

  
  
I, as well as every one else, understands that. What you need to do is
formulate a plan to implement over say a month. Start with broadcast
announcements and such. Then, start migrating your users in blocks. Yes, it
would be a lot of work. But the results are worth it.

  
  

  If you really think about it, if you are not forcing
authentication, you are ripe to allowing spamming and run-away viruses.
  

Why? Could you please explain that logic to me as I don't understand it.

  
  
I assume you are relaying for addresses in Imail SMTP. (If you are relaying
for users or domains, you have no idea about relay settings.) That means
that any one using one of those addresses can send out millions of spam
e-mails through your server and there is nothing you can do about it. This
includes users that may have viruses on their computers, and are now acting
as robots.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
  That means
  that any one using one of those addresses can send out millions of spam
  e-mails through your server and there is nothing you can do about it.
 
 How is that statement correct? We scan all outgoing messages for spam and
 viruses and delete them if a message contains one or both.

I made a general warning cautionary warning statement. From the research
that Matt did and the fact that you are actively scanning all outgoing
messages, you are taking the needed steps to minimize the possible problem. 

If your IPs are all or mostly used by dialup users, that in itself, as Matt
pointed out, greatly reduces the possible problem

Again, it was meant as a general warning.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You


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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] New test

2004-04-21 Thread ISPHuset Nordic
 

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
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 System Administrator
 Sent: 21. april 2004 20:20
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] New test
 
 on 4/21/04 1:40 PM, John Tolmachoff (Lists) wrote:
 
  I assume you are relaying for addresses in Imail SMTP.
 
 Correct.
 
  That means
  that any one using one of those addresses can send out millions of 
  spam e-mails through your server and there is nothing you 
 can do about it.
 
 How is that statement correct? We scan all outgoing messages 
 for spam and viruses and delete them if a message contains 
 one or both.
 
And how do you can the spam if it's a legitime user?

As long as you don't requiere authentication with a user name and password I can send 
an email through your server as long as I have
the correct address.

We had the same problem for about 2 years ago

Solved it by using the mailall function in Imail giving them a mail that they had to 
do changes so and so to use our mailserver to
send through. 

Out of 140 000 mailaccounts we had around 150 contacting us by phone the first 2 - 3 
days after that it was going as usual.

Don't make the problem bigger than it is.

Benny

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering outgoing mail - silent failure

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

Well I read the manual and searched the archives, but my efforts to filter
outgoing mail are not working. We have the pro version of Declude.
in the filter...
BODY0   CONTAINS flibbertygibbet
SUBJECT 0   CONTAINS flibbertygibbet
in the Declude config file (last two entries) ...
OUTGO filter C:\IMail\Declude\OutgoingFilter.txt x 0 0
OUTGO COPYTO [EMAIL PROTECTED]
My first questions would be Does any E-mail fail the OUTGO test?  If not, 
then it is probably an issue with the way the test is set up.  You can 
check the Declude JunkMail log file to see if any E-mail is failing the 
OUTGO test (you can type 'find OUTGO dec.log' from a command prompt 
to quickly see if any E-mails failed the test).



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[Declude.JunkMail] Log analysis and test check scripts

2004-04-21 Thread Roger Eriksson
Hi,

My log analysis and test check scripts are available for download at:
http://www.botany.gu.se/download/decludescript/LOG_analysis.zip
http://www.botany.gu.se/download/decludescript/TEST_check.zip
The first script creates a list with the number of hits for each 
test, number of messages that are OK or whitelisted, and a spam 
summary (incoming messages, deleted spam, held spam, marked spam, 
non-spam).

The second script does a pairwise comparison between a specific test 
and all other tests regarding number of individual hits and number of 
shared hits (i.e. messages that fail both tests).

Both scripts have two modes, one where the analysis is based on all 
message hits and another where it is based on unique messages only 
(i.e. a message hit is only counted once irrespective of the number 
of recipients). The first mode is much faster, but they can give some 
interesting results when compared.

The scripts run under both Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000. They are 
pure Windows command scripts and therefore not as fast as some of the 
other log analysis tools. The analyses below took about one minute 
each in all mode.

/Roger

== Output from the log analysis script ==

Declude test results -- dec0420.log

--- Total number of hits --

AHBL-PROXY 4197
AHBL-RHSBL 1296
AHBL-SOURCE 362
BADHEADERS 2523
BASE64-PLUS 381
BASE64 762
CBL 16295
COMMENTS 64
DSBL 14287
DSN 2837
FORGEDLOCAL 685
GREYLIST 6
HELOBOGUS 5812
MAILFROM 1233
MAILPOLICE 902
MESSAGE OK 2672
NETBL 563
OPM 1945
ORDB 48
REVDNS 5752
RSL 1815
SBL 877
SNIFFER-ADULT 2860
SNIFFER-CASINO 44
SNIFFER-CREDIT 685
SNIFFER-EMAIL 87
SNIFFER-EXP 1494
SNIFFER-GEN 1374
SNIFFER-GREY 5
SNIFFER-INSUR 661
SNIFFER-MAL 2
SNIFFER-MEDIA 2437
SNIFFER-OBFUSC 555
SNIFFER-PHARM 5964
SNIFFER-PRINT 10
SNIFFER-RICH 889
SNIFFER-SCAM 107
SNIFFER-TOOLS 1
SNIFFER-TRAVEL 19
SNIFFER 17194
SORBS-DUHL 10199
SPAMCOP 17652
SPAMDOMAINS 3895
SPAMHEADERS 184
SPAMTRAP 150
SPFFAIL 405
SURBL 2761
URLDBL 152
WEIGHT15-19 553
WEIGHT20 18482
WHITELISTED 530
- Total number of messages 

Incoming: 21154
Held spam: 18482 (87%)
Marked spam: 553 (2%)
Non-spam: 2119 (10%)
== Output from the test check script ==

Test check results -- dec0420.log

---
Test: SBL
Total number of hits: 877
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Shared with AHBL-PROXY (4197 hits): 58 (6%)
Shared with AHBL-RHSBL (1296 hits): 137 (15%)
Shared with AHBL-SOURCE (362 hits): 314 (35%)
Shared with BADHEADERS (2523 hits): 172 (19%)
Shared with BASE64-PLUS (381 hits): 13 (1%)
Shared with BASE64 (762 hits): 15 (1%)
Shared with CBL (16295 hits): 355 (40%)
Shared with COMMENTS (64 hits): 6 (0%)
Shared with DSBL (14287 hits): 165 (18%)
Shared with DSN (2837 hits): 94 (10%)
Shared with FORGEDLOCAL (685 hits): 23 (2%)
Shared with GREYLIST (6 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with HELOBOGUS (5812 hits): 317 (36%)
Shared with MAILFROM (1233 hits): 21 (2%)
Shared with MAILPOLICE (902 hits): 371 (42%)
Shared with NETBL (563 hits): 15 (1%)
Shared with OPM (1945 hits): 2 (0%)
Shared with ORDB (48 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with REVDNS (5752 hits): 445 (50%)
Shared with RSL (1815 hits): 2 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-ADULT (2860 hits): 219 (24%)
Shared with SNIFFER-CASINO (44 hits): 7 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-CREDIT (685 hits): 99 (11%)
Shared with SNIFFER-EMAIL (87 hits): 82 (9%)
Shared with SNIFFER-EXP (1494 hits): 77 (8%)
Shared with SNIFFER-GEN (1374 hits): 33 (3%)
Shared with SNIFFER-GREY (5 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-INSUR (661 hits): 39 (4%)
Shared with SNIFFER-MAL (2 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-MEDIA (2437 hits): 32 (3%)
Shared with SNIFFER-OBFUSC (555 hits): 30 (3%)
Shared with SNIFFER-PHARM (5964 hits): 156 (17%)
Shared with SNIFFER-PRINT (10 hits): 9 (1%)
Shared with SNIFFER-RICH (889 hits): 84 (9%)
Shared with SNIFFER-SCAM (107 hits): 1 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-TOOLS (1 hits): 1 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER-TRAVEL (19 hits): 2 (0%)
Shared with SNIFFER (17194 hits): 871 (99%)
Shared with SORBS-DUHL (10199 hits): 197 (22%)
Shared with SPAMCOP (17652 hits): 659 (75%)
Shared with SPAMDOMAINS (3895 hits): 94 (10%)
Shared with SPAMHEADERS (184 hits): 34 (3%)
Shared with SPAMTRAP (150 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with SPFFAIL (405 hits): 0 (0%)
Shared with SURBL (2761 hits): 20 (2%)
Shared with URLDBL (152 hits): 57 (6%)
Shared with WEIGHT15-19 (553 hits): 17 (1%)
Shared with WEIGHT20 (18482 hits): 860 (98%)
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[Declude.JunkMail] Any recommendations for MS Exchange spam filter?

2004-04-21 Thread Larry Craddock
Anyone know if there's anything similar to declude for MS Exchange server?

thanks,

Larry Craddock

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[Declude.JunkMail] Obvious, but it was new for me

2004-04-21 Thread Colbeck, Andrew
Title: Message



I just saved some processing 
power..

One of my most important text filters is the BODY 
search for URL stuff. But it's quite big. To keep my loglevels in 
check, I use LOGLEVEL MID, which doesn't log the individual lines 
triggered. But whether I use MID or HIGH, the line numbersare only 
significant if I'm not changing the order, right? So I bottom-post my new 
filter entries.

Back in December, I cutthe big file inhalf, 
then whenever the short-circuit logic was added, I placed the bottom-most text 
first in my global.cfg and that helped too.

I just gave up on bottom-posting, and LIFO reversed the 
files. I've definitely noticed that our average CPU usage during our peak 
periods has gone down.

Which tells me that I'll probably want to keep that 
file smaller and go back to bottom-posting and keep logically named sets of 
files...

The main file is about 1000 entries, all BODY 
searches.

(And no, I'm not going to post it to this 
list!)

Andrew 8)


Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Log analysis and test check scripts

2004-04-21 Thread Nick Hayer
On 21 Apr 2004 at 21:24, Roger Eriksson wrote:

*very* nice job Roger - 

Thanks!

-Nick Hayer

 Hi,
 
 My log analysis and test check scripts are available for download at:
 http://www.botany.gu.se/download/decludescript/LOG_analysis.zip
 http://www.botany.gu.se/download/decludescript/TEST_check.zip
 
 The first script creates a list with the number of hits for each test,
 number of messages that are OK or whitelisted, and a spam summary
 (incoming messages, deleted spam, held spam, marked spam, non-spam).
 
 The second script does a pairwise comparison between a specific test
 and all other tests regarding number of individual hits and number of
 shared hits (i.e. messages that fail both tests).
 
 Both scripts have two modes, one where the analysis is based on all
 message hits and another where it is based on unique messages only
 (i.e. a message hit is only counted once irrespective of the number of
 recipients). The first mode is much faster, but they can give some
 interesting results when compared.
 
 The scripts run under both Windows NT 4 and Windows 2000. They are
 pure Windows command scripts and therefore not as fast as some of the
 other log analysis tools. The analyses below took about one minute
 each in all mode.
 
 /Roger
 
 
 == Output from the log analysis script ==
 
 Declude test results -- dec0420.log
 
 --- Total number of hits --
 
 AHBL-PROXY 4197
 AHBL-RHSBL 1296
 AHBL-SOURCE 362
 BADHEADERS 2523
 BASE64-PLUS 381
 BASE64 762
 CBL 16295
 COMMENTS 64
 DSBL 14287
 DSN 2837
 FORGEDLOCAL 685
 GREYLIST 6
 HELOBOGUS 5812
 MAILFROM 1233
 MAILPOLICE 902
 MESSAGE OK 2672
 NETBL 563
 OPM 1945
 ORDB 48
 REVDNS 5752
 RSL 1815
 SBL 877
 SNIFFER-ADULT 2860
 SNIFFER-CASINO 44
 SNIFFER-CREDIT 685
 SNIFFER-EMAIL 87
 SNIFFER-EXP 1494
 SNIFFER-GEN 1374
 SNIFFER-GREY 5
 SNIFFER-INSUR 661
 SNIFFER-MAL 2
 SNIFFER-MEDIA 2437
 SNIFFER-OBFUSC 555
 SNIFFER-PHARM 5964
 SNIFFER-PRINT 10
 SNIFFER-RICH 889
 SNIFFER-SCAM 107
 SNIFFER-TOOLS 1
 SNIFFER-TRAVEL 19
 SNIFFER 17194
 SORBS-DUHL 10199
 SPAMCOP 17652
 SPAMDOMAINS 3895
 SPAMHEADERS 184
 SPAMTRAP 150
 SPFFAIL 405
 SURBL 2761
 URLDBL 152
 WEIGHT15-19 553
 WEIGHT20 18482
 WHITELISTED 530
 
 - Total number of messages 
 
 Incoming: 21154
 Held spam: 18482 (87%)
 Marked spam: 553 (2%)
 Non-spam: 2119 (10%)
 
 
 == Output from the test check script ==
 
 Test check results -- dec0420.log
 
 ---
 Test: SBL
 Total number of hits: 877
 ---
 Shared with AHBL-PROXY (4197 hits): 58 (6%)
 Shared with AHBL-RHSBL (1296 hits): 137 (15%)
 Shared with AHBL-SOURCE (362 hits): 314 (35%)
 Shared with BADHEADERS (2523 hits): 172 (19%)
 Shared with BASE64-PLUS (381 hits): 13 (1%)
 Shared with BASE64 (762 hits): 15 (1%)
 Shared with CBL (16295 hits): 355 (40%)
 Shared with COMMENTS (64 hits): 6 (0%)
 Shared with DSBL (14287 hits): 165 (18%)
 Shared with DSN (2837 hits): 94 (10%)
 Shared with FORGEDLOCAL (685 hits): 23 (2%)
 Shared with GREYLIST (6 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with HELOBOGUS (5812 hits): 317 (36%)
 Shared with MAILFROM (1233 hits): 21 (2%)
 Shared with MAILPOLICE (902 hits): 371 (42%)
 Shared with NETBL (563 hits): 15 (1%)
 Shared with OPM (1945 hits): 2 (0%)
 Shared with ORDB (48 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with REVDNS (5752 hits): 445 (50%)
 Shared with RSL (1815 hits): 2 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-ADULT (2860 hits): 219 (24%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-CASINO (44 hits): 7 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-CREDIT (685 hits): 99 (11%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-EMAIL (87 hits): 82 (9%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-EXP (1494 hits): 77 (8%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-GEN (1374 hits): 33 (3%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-GREY (5 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-INSUR (661 hits): 39 (4%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-MAL (2 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-MEDIA (2437 hits): 32 (3%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-OBFUSC (555 hits): 30 (3%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-PHARM (5964 hits): 156 (17%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-PRINT (10 hits): 9 (1%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-RICH (889 hits): 84 (9%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-SCAM (107 hits): 1 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-TOOLS (1 hits): 1 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER-TRAVEL (19 hits): 2 (0%)
 Shared with SNIFFER (17194 hits): 871 (99%)
 Shared with SORBS-DUHL (10199 hits): 197 (22%)
 Shared with SPAMCOP (17652 hits): 659 (75%)
 Shared with SPAMDOMAINS (3895 hits): 94 (10%)
 Shared with SPAMHEADERS (184 hits): 34 (3%)
 Shared with SPAMTRAP (150 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with SPFFAIL (405 hits): 0 (0%)
 Shared with SURBL (2761 hits): 20 (2%)
 Shared with URLDBL (152 hits): 57 (6%)
 Shared with WEIGHT15-19 (553 hits): 17 (1%)
 Shared with WEIGHT20 (18482 hits): 860 (98%)
 
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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Obvious, but it was new for me

2004-04-21 Thread Scott Fisher
My Body URL observations:

I've noticed that using SURBL filter has dramatically cut down on the hits of my 5 URL 
Body filters.  My five filters are for .biz, .info, .com, .net and other, it's just 
easier for me to maintain them that way.

So I've moved the SURBL filter higher in my list of test and the bodyURL's are some of 
the last tests run.

If you run SPAMCHK, it logs out all of the URL's it finds. 

Scott Fisher
Director of IT
Farm Progress Companies

 [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/21/04 02:52PM 
I just saved some processing power..
 
One of my most important text filters is the BODY search for URL stuff.  But
it's quite big.  To keep my loglevels in check, I use LOGLEVEL MID, which
doesn't log the individual lines triggered.  But whether I use MID or HIGH,
the line numbers are only significant if I'm not changing the order, right?
So I bottom-post my new filter entries.
 
Back in December, I cut the big file in half, then whenever the
short-circuit logic was added, I placed the bottom-most text first in my
global.cfg and that helped too.
 
I just gave up on bottom-posting, and LIFO reversed the files.  I've
definitely noticed that our average CPU usage during our peak periods has
gone down.
 
Which tells me that I'll probably want to keep that file smaller and go back
to bottom-posting and keep logically named sets of files...
 
The main file is about 1000 entries, all BODY searches.
 
(And no, I'm not going to post it to this list!)
 
Andrew 8)

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[Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why

2004-04-21 Thread Kevin Bilbee
Scott I thought if there was a DNS failure that SPAMDOMAINS would not fail
but pass the email??? This message failed Spam domains when there was a DNS
failure on Microsofts end?


Declude Version 1.78i18

*** Declude Log ***
04/21/2004 11:36:34 Qbf301a5d024003e8 Msg failed REVDNS (This E-mail was
sent from a MUA/MTA 207.68.163.152 with no reverse DNS entry.).
Action=IGNORE.
04/21/2004 11:36:34 Qbf301a5d024003e8 Msg failed SPAMDOMAINS (Spamdomain
'hotmail.com' found: Address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid [No
Reverse DNS].). Action=IGNORE.


*** RDNS Lookup from DNSStuff ***
How I am searching:
Asking d.root-servers.net for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
   d.root-servers.net says to go to ginseng.arin.net. (zone:
207.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking ginseng.arin.net. for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
   ginseng.arin.net says to go to dns1.sj.msft.net. (zone:
163.68.207.in-addr.arpa.)
Asking dns1.sj.msft.net. for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:  Error:
dns1.sj.msft.net reports a SERVER FAILURE.

Answer:
An error occurred: Server dns1.sj.msft.net is reporting a server failure (it
is probably broken).

Details:
I could not get to the nameserver authoritative for
152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa, because one or more of them aren't working
properly right now.  Sorry!

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Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

Scott I thought if there was a DNS failure that SPAMDOMAINS would not fail
but pass the email??? This message failed Spam domains when there was a DNS
failure on Microsofts end?
It depends on the failure:

An error occurred: Server dns1.sj.msft.net is reporting a server failure (it
is probably broken).
In this case, Declude JunkMail assumes that if it gets a response with no 
reverse DNS entry in it, that there is no reverse DNS entry.  If Microsoft 
replies and says that its server is broken, well, they do not have a 
reverse DNS entry.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why

2004-04-21 Thread Kevin Bilbee
OK I get that. I was under the assumption that if there was a DNS failure
that DNS based tests would not fail.

So I am assuming I am correct and Incorrect. If the DNS server that Imail is
configureed to communicate with has failed it will pass the tests but if the
remote server that is responsible for the RDNS  has failed declude treats it
like there is no RDNS.


Kevin Bilbee

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 Scott I thought if there was a DNS failure that SPAMDOMAINS
 would not fail
 but pass the email??? This message failed Spam domains when
 there was a DNS
 failure on Microsofts end?

 It depends on the failure:

 An error occurred: Server dns1.sj.msft.net is reporting a server
 failure (it
 is probably broken).

 In this case, Declude JunkMail assumes that if it gets a response with no
 reverse DNS entry in it, that there is no reverse DNS entry.  If
 Microsoft
 replies and says that its server is broken, well, they do not have a
 reverse DNS entry.

 -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] HELOBOGUS, HELOISIP and HELOISIPX questions

2004-04-21 Thread Goran Jovanovic
OK I think I was somehow reversed in my tinking


 
 Goran Jovanovic
 The LAN Shoppe


 
 Goran Jovanovic wrote:
 
 This is parts of a header I received and I just want to check a few
 things
 
 So the spammer thought that he would use my IP address in the HELO
line
 205.150.108.8 to identify his domain, even though his real IP address
is
 220.185.227.109?
 
 Obviously an IP address is not a valid domain so it fails the
HELOBOGUS
 test?
 
 It failed the HELOISIP test because the domain was an IP address?
 
 
 
 Yes.  It would be more correct to say that HELOISIP failed because the
 domain _contained_ an IP address.  205.150.108.8.this.is.a.host.name
 would also have failed HELOISIP
 
 It failed the HELOISIPX test ... not sure why since there is no
reverse
 DNS to parse?
 
 
 
 It failed HELOISIPX because the host name is a pure IP address.
 205.150.108.8.this.is.a.host.name will *not* fail HELOISIPX.
 
 In the next release, both tests will not fail host names bracketed IP
 format [205.150.108.8]
 
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Obvious, but it was new for me

2004-04-21 Thread Markus Gufler

 If you run SPAMCHK, it logs out all of the URL's it finds. 

...if the Log level is set high enough.
Note that it logs any URL regardless if identified as spam or legit message.

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Filtering outgoing mail - silent failure

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

I sent an email from within our domain (containing that word in both the
subject and body) to an external account. Then checked the Declude log.
Nothing.
That's what I suspected -- that means that there is a problem with the way 
that the test is set up.

Are you sure that the filter file is named the same as the way that it is 
defined in the global.cfg file?  Are you sure that you are running Declude 
JunkMail Pro (\IMail\Declude -diag from a command prompt will show 
you)?  Is the problem only occurring with the last line in the file (if you 
cannot move a cursor to the line below it, you need to hit ENTER at the end 
of the line for Windows to recognize the line)?

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why

2004-04-21 Thread R. Scott Perry

OK I get that. I was under the assumption that if there was a DNS failure
that DNS based tests would not fail.
If there is a timeout, Declude JunkMail will not fail the test.  But if it 
gets a response back that doesn't include an answer, it will fail the test.

   -Scott
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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why

2004-04-21 Thread Chuck Schick
FYI -

There is not a DNS failure on Microsoft's end.  Microsoft for some reason
has no reverse dns for a whole bunch of their mail servers causing mail from
MSN and Hotmail to fail both spamdomains and revdns.   I have contacted
Microsoft and they said it would be fixed yesterday.  What a mess.

Chuck Schick
Warp 8, Inc.
303-421-5140
www.warp8.com


 -Original Message-
 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Kevin Bilbee
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 3:04 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: [Declude.JunkMail] Failed Spamdomains Why


 Scott I thought if there was a DNS failure that SPAMDOMAINS would not fail
 but pass the email??? This message failed Spam domains when there
 was a DNS
 failure on Microsofts end?


 Declude Version 1.78i18

 *** Declude Log ***
 04/21/2004 11:36:34 Qbf301a5d024003e8 Msg failed REVDNS (This E-mail was
 sent from a MUA/MTA 207.68.163.152 with no reverse DNS entry.).
 Action=IGNORE.
 04/21/2004 11:36:34 Qbf301a5d024003e8 Msg failed SPAMDOMAINS (Spamdomain
 'hotmail.com' found: Address of [EMAIL PROTECTED] sent from invalid [No
 Reverse DNS].). Action=IGNORE.


 *** RDNS Lookup from DNSStuff ***
 How I am searching:
 Asking d.root-servers.net for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
d.root-servers.net says to go to ginseng.arin.net. (zone:
 207.in-addr.arpa.)
 Asking ginseng.arin.net. for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR record:
ginseng.arin.net says to go to dns1.sj.msft.net. (zone:
 163.68.207.in-addr.arpa.)
 Asking dns1.sj.msft.net. for 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa PTR
 record:  Error:
 dns1.sj.msft.net reports a SERVER FAILURE.

 Answer:
 An error occurred: Server dns1.sj.msft.net is reporting a server
 failure (it
 is probably broken).

 Details:
 I could not get to the nameserver authoritative for
 152.163.68.207.in-addr.arpa, because one or more of them aren't working
 properly right now.  Sorry!

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RE: [Declude.JunkMail] Obvious, but it was new for me

2004-04-21 Thread John Tolmachoff \(Lists\)
If you are using Spamchk, you can use an external file there. That is what I
do with my body URL filter. It is much quicker to parse from Spamchk than as
a filter in Declude.

John Tolmachoff
Engineer/Consultant/Owner
eServices For You

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 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:Declude.JunkMail-
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Scott Fisher
 Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2004 1:31 PM
 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
 Subject: Re: [Declude.JunkMail] Obvious, but it was new for me
 
 My Body URL observations:
 
 I've noticed that using SURBL filter has dramatically cut down on the hits
of my 5 URL
 Body filters.  My five filters are for .biz, .info, .com, .net and other,
it's just easier for
 me to maintain them that way.
 
 So I've moved the SURBL filter higher in my list of test and the bodyURL's
are some of
 the last tests run.
 
 If you run SPAMCHK, it logs out all of the URL's it finds.
 
 Scott Fisher
 Director of IT
 Farm Progress Companies
 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] 04/21/04 02:52PM 
 I just saved some processing power..
 
 One of my most important text filters is the BODY search for URL stuff.
But
 it's quite big.  To keep my loglevels in check, I use LOGLEVEL MID, which
 doesn't log the individual lines triggered.  But whether I use MID or
HIGH,
 the line numbers are only significant if I'm not changing the order,
right?
 So I bottom-post my new filter entries.
 
 Back in December, I cut the big file in half, then whenever the
 short-circuit logic was added, I placed the bottom-most text first in my
 global.cfg and that helped too.
 
 I just gave up on bottom-posting, and LIFO reversed the files.  I've
 definitely noticed that our average CPU usage during our peak periods has
 gone down.
 
 Which tells me that I'll probably want to keep that file smaller and go
back
 to bottom-posting and keep logically named sets of files...
 
 The main file is about 1000 entries, all BODY searches.
 
 (And no, I'm not going to post it to this list!)
 
 Andrew 8)
 
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