Re: Other Administrators for the Facebook Fan Page

[Raphael Bircher]

You should have an invitation.

Regards Raphael

On Mon, Nov 18, 2019 at 8:24 AM Peter Kovacs  wrote:
>
> I have send you a friend request.
> Maybe that makes it easier.
>
> All the bedt
> Peter
>
> Am 17. November 2019 19:59:22 MEZ schrieb Raphael Bircher 
> :
> >Hi all
> >
> >Can you send me your Personal account at FB. It's needed to add you as
> >an admin. I was not able to find you in FB.
> >
> >Regards Raphael
> >
> >On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 3:45 PM Matthias Seidel
> > wrote:
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >> And remember, that I have an updated graphic for Facebook [1]
> >available
> >> for ages.
> >> Would be nice if we can change it when you have access.
> >>
> >> Matthias
> >>
> >> [1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-Facebook.png
> >>
> >> Am 15.11.19 um 10:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >> > Nope. Sorry did not here anything.
> >> > I will try contact him again. Thanks the reminder.
> >> >
> >> > All the best
> >> > Peter
> >> >
> >> > Am 14. November 2019 16:51:12 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel
> >:
> >> >> Hi Peter,
> >> >>
> >> >> Bumping this topic up...
> >> >>
> >> >> I met Raphael at ApacheCon Europe and asked him about the Facebook
> >> >> account.
> >> >> Did he contact you?
> >> >>
> >> >> Regards,
> >> >>
> >> >>Matthias
> >> >>
> >> >> Am 22.08.19 um 08:47 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >> >>> Hello Raphael,
> >> >>>
> >> >>> I will contact you on Facebook. Then you can pass the admin
> >rights to
> >> >> me.
> >> >>> Thanks for your efforts in the project.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> All the best
> >> >>> Peter.
> >> >>>
> >> >>> Am 15. August 2019 13:01:55 MESZ schrieb Raphael Bircher
> >> >> :
> >> >>>> Hi all
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> I've still the administrator access to the Apache OpenOffice Fan
> >> >> Page.
> >> >>>> I'm inactive in the project for over a year, and I have no plane
> >to
> >> >>>> change this in the next time.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> So I would like to step back from my admin Roul at the AOO
> >Fanpage
> >> >> in
> >> >>>> Facebook. Can someone take over this.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Thanks a load.
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>> Regards Raphael
> >> >>>>
> >> >>>>
> >> >>
> >-
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Re: Other Administrators for the Facebook Fan Page

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

Can you send me your Personal account at FB. It's needed to add you as
an admin. I was not able to find you in FB.

Regards Raphael

On Sat, Nov 16, 2019 at 3:45 PM Matthias Seidel
 wrote:
>
> Thanks!
>
> And remember, that I have an updated graphic for Facebook [1] available
> for ages.
> Would be nice if we can change it when you have access.
>
> Matthias
>
> [1] https://home.apache.org/~mseidel/AOO-Facebook.png
>
> Am 15.11.19 um 10:06 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> > Nope. Sorry did not here anything.
> > I will try contact him again. Thanks the reminder.
> >
> > All the best
> > Peter
> >
> > Am 14. November 2019 16:51:12 MEZ schrieb Matthias Seidel 
> > :
> >> Hi Peter,
> >>
> >> Bumping this topic up...
> >>
> >> I met Raphael at ApacheCon Europe and asked him about the Facebook
> >> account.
> >> Did he contact you?
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >>
> >>Matthias
> >>
> >> Am 22.08.19 um 08:47 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> >>> Hello Raphael,
> >>>
> >>> I will contact you on Facebook. Then you can pass the admin rights to
> >> me.
> >>> Thanks for your efforts in the project.
> >>>
> >>> All the best
> >>> Peter.
> >>>
> >>> Am 15. August 2019 13:01:55 MESZ schrieb Raphael Bircher
> >> :
> >>>> Hi all
> >>>>
> >>>> I've still the administrator access to the Apache OpenOffice Fan
> >> Page.
> >>>> I'm inactive in the project for over a year, and I have no plane to
> >>>> change this in the next time.
> >>>>
> >>>> So I would like to step back from my admin Roul at the AOO Fanpage
> >> in
> >>>> Facebook. Can someone take over this.
> >>>>
> >>>> Thanks a load.
> >>>>
> >>>> Regards Raphael
> >>>>
> >>>>
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Other Administrators for the Facebook Fan Page

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

I've still the administrator access to the Apache OpenOffice Fan Page.
I'm inactive in the project for over a year, and I have no plane to
change this in the next time.

So I would like to step back from my admin Roul at the AOO Fanpage in
Facebook. Can someone take over this.

Thanks a load.

Regards Raphael

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Re: [discussion] CMS migration (was: svn migration plan)

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Gavin

Sounds like a load of work, Especially for the Templates. Does Pelican
serve HTML and markdown mixed?

Regards Raphael.

On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 10:48 AM Gavin McDonald  wrote:
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> Hi all,
>
> On Mon, Jul 29, 2019 at 9:18 AM George Karalis  wrote:
> >
> > Hello Peter,
> >
> > I have proposed some time ago the move to a static site generator — like
> Jekyll, Hugo etc. —
> > as I was redesigning OpenOffice’s front-page. That would greatly help
> reduce tech diversity
> > and maintenance as only static html files will be served.
> >
> > Most static site generators work with markdown and I believe that content
> writers won't have
> > a problem working with markdown. We could also setup an automated build
> pipeline that
> > serves the generated site with every commit, i.e. every markdown or
> template change.
>
>
> Hi George, you have just described almost perfectly Infras replacement for
> the CMS!
> Using Pelican and GHFM and Buildbot, you only need to 'edit' a page in
> Github and that
> commit will trigger a site rebuild and automatic publish of the site. It is
> still in testing but
> almost ready for use. I'll post more details and a docs link when its ready
> for wider testing.
>
> Gav...
>
>
> >
> >
> > By the way there's a fully functional redesigned front-page for anyone
> interested, that time
> > there was a server migration and it hadn't got much attention. The CMS
> migration provides an
> > opportunity to move to a whole website redesign.
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Re: SHA1/MD5 in sal/rtl/source/digest.c patch license able for OO

[Raphael Bircher]

If the code is released from the original author under Apache License
v2.0 then we can include it, else we have to write our own solution

On Thu, Jul 25, 2019 at 9:54 PM Keith N. McKenna
 wrote:
>
> On 7/25/2019 1:26 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> > Call me naive. I wanted to have the question asked. No one should say that 
> > we did not try it this way.
> >
> > Am 25. Juli 2019 09:38:28 MESZ schrieb Bidouille :
> >>
> >>
> >> - Mail original -
> >>> I believe that unless the LO developer agrees to license it also
> >>> under the ALv2 we cannot commit it to our code base.
> >> +1
> >> The author is Michael Stahl, employed at CIB GmbH.
> >> This company is copyleft addicted and LibO side only.
> >>
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> Peter;
>
> For other questions around handling other licenses see the 3rd Party
> License Policy at https://www.apache.org/legal/resolved.html
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Re: Treffen in Berlin Raphael

[Raphael Bircher]

Hallo Michael

Am .11.2017, 09:40 Uhr, schrieb Dr. Michael Stehmann  
:



Hallo,

ich wäre dagegen, wenn solche Treffen lediglich privat organisiert  
würden.


Wenn A und B sich treffen wollen, um über Apache OpenOffice zu reden,
dann sollten sie dies hier annoncieren, damit C und D, die auch
teilnehmen möchten, davon erfahren und damit die Chance erhalten, an
diesem Treffen teilzunehmen und ihre Gedanken und Vorstellungen
einzubringen. Dann wird das Treffen fruchtbringender für die  
Gemeinschaft.


Ein zweiter Aspekt dieser Transparenz erscheint mir auch wichtig:

Wir sollten die Community nicht durch privat verabredete und
veranstaltete Treffen in verschiedene "Insider"-Grüppchen und dann den
"Rest" spalten. "Divide et impera" [0] erscheint mir als
Management-Methode nicht "apache-like".
Wirkliche Apache Angelegenheiten können zwar offlist mal andiskutiert  
werden. Müssen dann aber schnellst möglich auf die Liste. Wenn wir aber  
etwas besprechen was (nur indirekt) das Projekt betrifft, können wir das  
sehr wohl offlist tun. Sachen die die AOO Entwicklung oder die Community  
betreffen fliessen selbstverständlich wieder zurück




Ein letzter Gedanke:

Es wäre schön, wenn von dem konkreten Treffen hier berichtet werden  
würde.
Das Treffen ist nicht soll nicht überbewertet werden. Es werden da keine  
"Bahnbrechenden Strategieen" diskutiert. ;-) Das Treffen war eine spontane  
Idee von mir, da ich sowieso in Berlin bin, etwas Zeit habe und Wusste,  
das Jörg aus der Umgebung kommt. Es geht auch nicht um ein konkretes  
Projekt.


Gruss Raphael



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Re: Treffen in Berlin Raphael

[Raphael Bircher]

Am .11.2017, 07:55 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt :


Hallo claudia,


Tut mir leid für mich ist das spam,


naja, Raphael wollte vielleicht Dritten die Chance geben sich  
einzuklinken (weiß ich aber garnicht).
Es war tatsächlich so, dass die Mail eigentlich nur an Jörg gehen sollte.  
Allerdings wollte ich erst an die Community schreiben. Vermutlich hab ich  
dann die e-mail Adresse vergessen zu wechseln. Macht allerdings in dem  
Fall auch nichts, wenn die Community darüber bescheid weiss ;-)


Auf jeden Fall ist das kein privates Routinetreffen, denn ich treffe  
Raphael das erste Mal.


Jörg und ich haben es tatsächlich fertig gebracht, 12 Jahre in einem  
Projekt zusammen zu arbeiten, ohne einander mal persönlich getroffen zu  
haben. Irgendwann mussten wir dem mal ein Ende setzen ;-)


Gruss Raphael


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Treffen in Berlin?

[Raphael Bircher]

Hallo Jörg

Ich bin vom 19. - 21. November in Berlin für eine Konforenz rund um Apache  
Community. Nun, der 20. ist erlativ voll, und am 21. Fliege ich relativ  
zeitig am Morgen. Aber am 19. hätte ich evtl. Zeit für ein Treffen.


Was meinst du dazu.

Gruss Raphael

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Re: Organisation der Community war: Was können wir gegen Trittbrettfahrer tun?

[Raphael Bircher]

Hallo zusammen

Am .11.2017, 07:18 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt :


From: Marcus [mailto:marcus.m...@wtnet.de]



Gut, dann lass mir das Wochenende Zeit. Dann lese ich das und
versuche
eine Antwort.


Vielleicht ist das jetzt garnicht mehr unbedingt nötig, denn durch die  
Diskussionen der letzten Zeit ist hier bereits wieder Aktivität  
entstanden.


Wichtig wäre nur das Du, und andere Programmierer, verstehen das die  
Situation in den Teilen des AOO-Projekts die nicht mit Programmieren zu  
tun haben, die ganzen letzten Jahre nicht so einfach war wie es  
möglicherweise gemäß Meritokratie hätte sein sollen.

Ob (bzw. das) das zukünftig anders sein wird, kann ich nur hoffen.


Ich glaube das Problem liegt auch etwas an der Struktur von AOO. AOO ist  
das allereinzige Projekt in Apache, das Native Language Community hat. Ja,  
es gibt andere Projekte mit übersetzungen, da läuft das allerdings immer  
über die englischsprachige Dev Liste. Leute die auf der Englischsprachigen  
Liste nicht aktiv sind, fallen durch die Masche. Das dürfte eigentlich  
nicht sein.


Wenn ich die Diskussionen mitverfolge, beschleicht mich das Gefühl, dass  
die De Gruppe teilweise bis heute nicht wirklich zu Apache gefunden hat.  
(das soll keine Kritik sein, nur eine Feststellung) Ich bin auch kein Fan  
davon, die alte Community wieder aufzubauen. Viel eher sollten wir  
schauen, was brauchen wir heute im 2017 und wie können wir das umsetzen.


Gruss Raphael

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QA Improvements on 4.2.0

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all,

I believe the 4.1.4 shows us, that we have to do a better job in QA. A  
minor release should never go to a rc5. I believe we all (and I pointing  
my finger to myself) underestimated the regression risk at the 4.1.4.


So, to do a better job in the 4.2.0 I propose the following changes.

- Define test areas, where tester should keep an extra eye on it. (based  
on the changes)

- Doing Developer Snapshots again in a 2 Week frequency (or so)
- Switch the AOO Profile for the snapshots to AOO-Dev
- mobilize the willing testers to keep a critical eye on this builds
- maybe also run the automated tests for Apache OpenOffice.

The idea is to make the bug cycle shorter. Improvements should be tested  
right after the implementation and not short before the release. A fresh  
bug is easyer to fix as a old one.


What do you think about this.

Regards Raphael


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Re: Release 4.1.4

[Raphael Bircher]

Hallo zusammen

Am .10.2017, 20:10 Uhr, schrieb Jan-Christian Wienandt  
:



Moin Günter,


Humor aus D-lands Norden?


Ja, Stockelsdorf in Schleswig-Holstein.

Man kann solche Artikel nur mit Humor ertragen.


Die Version 4.2.0 erscheint übrigens am 1. April 2018 unter dem Namen  
ZombieOffice ;-)





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Re: Open XML Filter

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all.

Am .10.2017, 17:16 Uhr, schrieb Dave Fisher :


Hi Damhan,

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 20, 2017, at 12:21 AM, Damjan Jovanovic   
wrote:


I've looked at Apache POI before and even wrote a minimal filter that  
saves

text cells in Calc to XLSX, see my email on 22 December 2015.

Reading OOXML in Apache POI is problematic, we would have to build the
document tree twice, first in POI, then in AOO, as a SAX-like API is not
supported, so memory usage would double, and large documents would be
problematic. Writing is better, in that there is a streaming API that
doesn't use a lot of memory, but formulas might be a problem. I had more
practical issues in cell iteration APIs I needed that were not exported
over UNO.


There are efforts to reduce the memory requirements in POI on the read  
side. There is a lot of cross development between Tika and POI. Tika has  
a huge regression set of documents it knows about on the web.




Could we get any funding for better OOXML suport?


Raphael?


We are not in the position to put money into the project. However, we can  
Collect money for this project, and pay developers. That should be  
possible. We also willing to invest some menpower.


Regards, Raphael


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Re: Open XML Filter

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Dave

Am .10.2017, 04:20 Uhr, schrieb Dave Fisher :


Hi -

If we can use Java then Apache POI has OOXML support.


You mean, use POI as a library in Apache OpenOffice?

Regards, Raphael


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Re: Strange behavior of Spellcheck

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Patricia

Am .10.2017, 23:42 Uhr, schrieb Patricia Shanahan :




On 10/14/2017 2:24 PM, Andrea Pescetti wrote:

Patricia Shanahan wrote:

On my Windows 10 machine, Spellcheck defaults to en-US spelling,
regardless of the language of the installation. I have tested this with
both fr and en-GB. (French and the two variants of English are the only
languages I know well enough to test.) For each document, I have to
specify the language before it will spellcheck correctly.
 So, spellcheck aside, the default language for text in the document  
(this is an attribute at a character level, Format - Character) is set  
to en-US.
 I don't think this depends on the OpenOffice UI language, but rather  
on your profile settings.
 Under Options - Languages you can set the default language for your  
future documents (separate from the UI language). If this is respected,  
then I don't see an issue here.


OK, I can manually set it through Options - Languages. It still seems  
strange to me that the default language for documents is independent of  
the installed language.
No that's not strange. You maybe want to have a Document in French, but  
you don't want to switch the UI. A common case if you work in different  
languages. Normally OpenOffice takes over the language settings from the  
OS. But something is wrong there. I didn't find out what.


Regards Raphael



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Re: 4.1.4 show stopper!

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi Jim, *

I understand this, I have just an idea. We keep the 4.1.4 as is and  
release a patch for the bug. Then we make just new community builds with  
the patch. Like this we avoid to make a 4.1.5 and we stick within the ASF  
policy.


Regards Raphael

Am .10.2017, 16:35 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski :


Once something is tagged it is public. It is official. Removing and/or
adjusting tags is something that we cannot and should not do. It is
really against ASF policy since it destroys an accurate representation
of our history and IP provenance.

If someone wishes to take over as RM, I am fine with that. I will
still produce the required builds. But as long as I'm RM, I can't
abide by "rewriting" history re: 4.1.4... But like I said, I'm OK
w/ someone taking over as RM and will follow their direction
whatever it is.

On Oct 10, 2017, at 9:38 AM, Andrea Pescetti   
wrote:


Jim Jagielski wrote:
Considering this issue, this means that 4.1.4 is also DOA. I will wait  
for

a few more hours, for West Coast to get online but my plan is to
start the process for AOO-415


We are still in time for retiring 4.1.4-RC4 (not 4.1.4 altogether).

Builds are on SourceForge but they've never been distributed and they  
can be replaced by new builds.


4.1.4 is tagged but SVN tags can be deleted and recreated. Not best  
practice, but surely feasible.


Remember that the amount of code changes needed to produce something  
named 4.1.5 is quite significant and very much error-prone. Take a look  
at the relevant issues in case, but for a "quick fix" I would  
definitely stick to 4.1.4, produce 4.1.4-RC5 and vote on RC5, while  
undoing what we did for 4.1.4-RC4.


Note: I'm writing all of the above without having had the time to look  
at the patch or test. I'll do that this evening, European time. I have  
still to understand the importance of this bug too - I assume this  
affects potentially many users, otherwise we can go the slippery way of  
"fix just another small bug" for ages.


Regards,
 Andrea.

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Re: 4.1.4 show stopper!

[Raphael Bircher]

Am .10.2017, 15:38 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti :


Jim Jagielski wrote:
Considering this issue, this means that 4.1.4 is also DOA. I will wait  
for

a few more hours, for West Coast to get online but my plan is to
start the process for AOO-415


We are still in time for retiring 4.1.4-RC4 (not 4.1.4 altogether).

Builds are on SourceForge but they've never been distributed and they  
can be replaced by new builds.


4.1.4 is tagged but SVN tags can be deleted and recreated. Not best  
practice, but surely feasible.


Remember that the amount of code changes needed to produce something  
named 4.1.5 is quite significant and very much error-prone. Take a look  
at the relevant issues in case, but for a "quick fix" I would definitely  
stick to 4.1.4, produce 4.1.4-RC5 and vote on RC5, while undoing what we  
did for 4.1.4-RC4.


+100



Note: I'm writing all of the above without having had the time to look  
at the patch or test. I'll do that this evening, European time. I have  
still to understand the importance of this bug too - I assume this  
affects potentially many users, otherwise we can go the slippery way of  
"fix just another small bug" for ages.


Regards,
   Andrea.

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Re: [Discussion] Switch to Git?

[Raphael Bircher]

+1

Am .09.2017, 13:10 Uhr, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic :


Hi

Can we please switch to using Git instead of Subversion for AOO's source?

I don't know how much justification you want/need. Git is huge nowdays,  
by

far the most popular VCS worldwide, the one most developers know and IDEs
support (https://rhodecode.com/insights/version-control-systems-2016). It
would help us with local branches for testing and experimenting offline,
git bisect for regression testing, it's efficient with large projects, it
would integrate with GitHub better, etc.

What do people think?

Damjan



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Re: AAO writer RC-2

[Raphael Bircher]

Hi all

Am .08.2017, 15:50 Uhr, schrieb Patricia Shanahan :

I agree about preferring a Bugzilla entry. We need to collect and  
organize information about where it does and does not reproduce, and  
about variants of the file. Bugzilla is set up to store that sort of  
information.


+1


My only Ubuntu machine is a small, aging laptop not suitable for  
development work. If it is an Ubuntu-only problem, debugging it will  
need the involvement of at least one Ubuntu-using developer.


It would be interesting if the bug shows up in Lubuntu or Kubuntu too.  
Maybe it's just GTK related. This would make since since we have a change  
in GTK with the GTK Fix.


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Re: Org.openide

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Hi all,

Am .08.2017, 09:09 Uhr, schrieb Peter Kovacs :


Am Donnerstag, den 24.08.2017, 08:19 +0200 schrieb Geertjan Wielenga:

There's no such thing as 'org.openide.filenames'. Do you mean
'org.openide.filesystems'?

yes, it is filesystems. My wrong.
And there a lot more refered to in other Classes. (I am still working
on the first one ;) )


Also, where/how are these JARs used in your project? Sounds to me
like your
project is based on the NetBeans Platform.

That is a realy good Question.
We have a "Devtool" that integrates NetBeans into OpenOffice.
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/OpenOffice_NetBeans_Integration

But that sounds more like a addition to NetBeans then to OpenOffice.

However maybe in order to get benefits from the Netbeans integration we
need an API in OpenOffice for this? At least that is my guess.

Only the Open Office Scripting Module references to NetBeans. Which
supports the Idea. But I don't have a clue.


It is a module for NetBeans to support the OpenOffice API. So NetBeans can  
be used instead of the OpenOffice SDK


That's basically my information

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Re: Org.openide

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Thanks Geertjan, I forward this to the OpenOffice Dev

Regards, Raphael

Am .08.2017, 23:23 Uhr, schrieb Geertjan Wielenga  
<geertjan.wiele...@googlemail.com>:


Unclear to me which module or which class or which anything specifically  
is

referred to here. But, yes, in general, 'openide' is typically some thing
like 'org.openide.xxx' where xxx is something specific (hence I really  
need

more details than 'openide') which will all be part of the 1st code
donation, since 'org.openide.xxx' are an indication of the oldest modules
of NetBeans, part of the core of the NetBeans Platform.

Gj

On Wed, Aug 23, 2017 at 11:01 PM, Raphael Bircher  
<rbircherapa...@gmail.com>

wrote:


Hi all

Since NetBeans is an Apache Incubator Project, there is maybe a chance  
to

get the source under ALv2.

Geertjan is this possible?

Regards, Raphael

CCed NetBeans dev.

Am .08.2017, 15:10 Uhr, schrieb Peter kovacs <pe...@apache.org>:

After a long search I have found the code in question in NetBeans

repository.

License is GPL v2 _or_ CDDL v1. :(
You got to love Oracle for their ways.

Hmm I think I will try to import the code in my workspace under given
License. And then check if we really need this stuff. if no one knows
anything, I opt for retiring the code pieces.
Can try to replace the code and only move the dependency out, if there  
is
request for it. But we will carry the mess longer around, since I am  
slowly

moving.

All the best
peter


Am 23. August 2017 13:57:18 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel <
matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>:


Am 23.08.2017 um 12:44 schrieb Peter kovacs:


I have checked the link already. The only hint I see is the module


declaration. Have you NetBeans installed?

No, I haven't.
I only sent the link in case you didn't know about OpenGrok... ;-)




Am 23. August 2017 00:32:44 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel


<matthias.sei...@hamburg.de>:


Hi Peter,


Maybe this link can help:

http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/s?n=25=0;

sort=relevancy=openide=aoo-trunk




Matthias


Am 23.08.2017 um 00:24 schrieb Peter kovacs:


Hello all,

Can somebody tell me where the module openide is hiding?

My theory is it is in NetBeans. But on the NetBeans page they only


have a very old version where I can find traces.


I guess no one can explain if my theory is right why we added the


dependency?


Thanks for the help.

All the best
Peter
(By the way this is the first of 85 000 errors in eclipse after


import without eclipse actually breaking. This will take some time,


but



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Re: Org.openide

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Hi all

Since NetBeans is an Apache Incubator Project, there is maybe a chance to  
get the source under ALv2.


Geertjan is this possible?

Regards, Raphael

CCed NetBeans dev.

Am .08.2017, 15:10 Uhr, schrieb Peter kovacs :

After a long search I have found the code in question in NetBeans  
repository.


License is GPL v2 _or_ CDDL v1. :(
You got to love Oracle for their ways.

Hmm I think I will try to import the code in my workspace under given  
License. And then check if we really need this stuff. if no one knows  
anything, I opt for retiring the code pieces.
Can try to replace the code and only move the dependency out, if there  
is request for it. But we will carry the mess longer around, since I am  
slowly moving.


All the best
peter


Am 23. August 2017 13:57:18 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:

Am 23.08.2017 um 12:44 schrieb Peter kovacs:

I have checked the link already. The only hint I see is the module

declaration. Have you NetBeans installed?

No, I haven't.
I only sent the link in case you didn't know about OpenGrok... ;-)




Am 23. August 2017 00:32:44 MESZ schrieb Matthias Seidel

:

Hi Peter,

Maybe this link can help:


http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/s?n=25=0=relevancy=openide=aoo-trunk


Matthias


Am 23.08.2017 um 00:24 schrieb Peter kovacs:

Hello all,

Can somebody tell me where the module openide is hiding?

My theory is it is in NetBeans. But on the NetBeans page they only

have a very old version where I can find traces.

I guess no one can explain if my theory is right why we added the

dependency?

Thanks for the help.

All the best
Peter
(By the way this is the first of 85 000 errors in eclipse after

import without eclipse actually breaking. This will take some time,

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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Availability of AOO-4.1.4 RC2

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Hi all

I'm testing now in production environment. Util now no problems dedected,  
but I did only very basic stuff until now.


Regards Raphael

Am .08.2017, 17:19 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski :


Available for immediate testing are the source tarball and
community builds of Apache OpenOffice 4.1.4-RC2.

As noted, these are Release Candidates and are not official,
GA releases, although based on testing, the could become so.
So PLEASE test these out!

You can find these gems at:

https://dist.apache.org/repos/dist/dev/openoffice/4.1.4-RC2/

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Why is unwinreg.dll not downloaded automatic

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Hi all

If you forget unwinreg.dll, you get a message, with a wget and a download  
link. Why we don't donload this directly.


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Re: Eclipse vs other IDEs (was: Re: Ide for Open Office (was Building OO))

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Hi all

Long time ago, most IDE faild with the size of the OO Code. I also know,  
that XCode failed. But I think, Time has changed. We have more RAM now. In  
NetBeans you have probably to extend the RAM in the JVM. I never tryed it.  
but I think I will. It will be interesting for testing. And if something  
fail we have the direct connection to the NetBeans Community. (I  
monitoring this project since the start in the Incubator)


Regards, Raphael

Am .07.2017, 10:16 Uhr, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic :

About 5 years ago, when I tried to used Netbeans to open a large C  
project

(the Wine project, about 2 million lines), it was unusably slow, and its
C/C++ indexer crashed.

I don't know if it has improved since then, but we have 6 times more  
code,
and it's C++, not the much simpler C. Eclipse invested serious  
development
effort into its Eclipse CDT parser, even writing static analysis tools  
with

it and developing code refactoring. How good is Netbeans?

On Wed, Jul 19, 2017 at 9:58 AM, Fernando Cassia   
wrote:



On 7/19/17, Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:
> What is so "very basic" about Eclipse? It's an excellent IDE, among  
the

> best C++ IDEs I ever used, and the only IDE I use to develop AOO.
>
> I only used Visual Studio a little, and it seemed very good at the  
.NET
> languages, but poor at C++. What does Visual Studio do, that Eclipse  
CDT

> doesn't?

What does Eclipse do that Netbeans doesn't?

Just curious, thinking aloud...
;)

FC
PS: I'm seriously interested if anyone has succesfully used Netbeans
for working with AOO source..

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Tested the Ubuntu command lind to replace Cygwin as build system

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Hi all

Matthias mentioned the new Ubuntu command line system on Windows for  
building AOO on Windows. At the moment we use Cygwin for this. I invest  
some time in it, and found out, that this is not a solution. The problem,  
You can't start a windows program out of the Ubuntu command line. So you  
won't be able to start MSVC from the buildscript.


But the tool as it self is interesting. So it's not a waste of time to try  
it out. But in our case, it doesn't help.


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Re: OpenOffice extensions: It is impossible to upload a new extension release

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Am .06.2017, 13:55 Uhr, schrieb Karl Zeiler <karl.zei...@t-online.de>:


Hi all

Am 27.06.2017 um 12:27 schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Hi all
 Am .06.2017, 12:09 Uhr, schrieb Karl Zeiler <karl.zei...@t-online.de>:


Hi,

Am 27.06.2017 um 08:11 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

The message Sounds like an invalid Security Certificate.
[...]
This is infra topic isn't it?


and how I can contact the infra team? Mail address?
 I just asked infra. The Certificate is managed by Sourceforge and not  
by infra. So you have to contact Sourceforge. But they are on the list.  
So they should read it.



thanks for your answer.

When I tried (a few days before) to upload the new extension release (>  
11 MB) to LO extension center, there was the same above mentioned error  
message. The security certificate was OK, but the max client body size  
on the server for uploading a new release was limited to 10 MiB. After  
raising the limit to 16 MiB the problem was solved.


You see the above mentioned error message is not realy clear. Who  
manages the max client body size for uploading? Infra or Sourceforge?


It's all managed by sourceforge. Expect for the Domain Name. Infra just  
point to sourceforges server.


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Re: OpenOffice extensions: It is impossible to upload a new extension release

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Hi all

Am .06.2017, 12:09 Uhr, schrieb Karl Zeiler :


Hi,

Am 27.06.2017 um 08:11 schrieb Peter Kovacs:

The message Sounds like an invalid Security Certificate.
[...]
This is infra topic isn't it?


and how I can contact the infra team? Mail address?


I just asked infra. The Certificate is managed by Sourceforge and not by  
infra. So you have to contact Sourceforge. But they are on the list. So  
they should read it.


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Re: Building AOO on Windows 10 with "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows"

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Hi Matthias

Am .06.2017, 13:20 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:



Hi at all!

Has anyone tried to build AOO with "Bash on Ubuntu on Windows" instead
of cygwin?
It is a full Ubuntu 16.04.2 LTS command line interface running as
subsystem on Windows 10.

I am doing a SVN checkout at the moment, so far it works...


I'm installing it now. I have to be honest. The one thing I really missed  
since my switch to windows was the bash. It would be nice, if it's also  
possible to build windows without cygwin


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Re: Any 4.1.4 RC for Windows available for testing?

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Hello Andrea, *

Am .06.2017, 18:53 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti :


Kay Schenk wrote:

the philosophy behind building on Windows 10 (the ASF buildbots),
and having the output product work on all Windows platforms.


I wrote this many times already, but just to be sure nobody  
misunderstands, we never released anything that was built by the  
buildbots. So far, buildbots are only a way to ensure that the build  
process can be successful in different environments. But the builds they  
produce were never used as RCs or final builds.


Yea, that's the situation at the moment. But I really would like to see a  
change there. If the buildbot doew build for the release, we have no  
longer to to search for builder who does the "official" build. Also you  
would have more consistence in the builds.


Only because we never did it before is not a reason to not do it, right?

Ok, 4.1.4 has to be done otherwise, but for the 4.2 Release... it would be  
a solution.


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Re: home.apache.org down?

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Hi all,

Am .06.2017, 13:16 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:



Hi Raphael,

I could not get any connection at all to these two sites. Everything
else worked.
But restarting my router/cable modem did the trick...

Reminder to myself: Always restart every device before complaining! ;-)


Or hit it, sometimes helps too. Strange things happen.

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Re: home.apache.org down?

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Hi Matthias,

It works for me perfectly fine. If you have problem, contact infra on  
HipChat.


Regards, Raphael

Am .06.2017, 12:33 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:



Hi at all!

http://home.apache.org and http://people.apache.org seem to be down,
although:

https://status.apache.org/pubsub/manage.cgi

lists people.apache.org as "Up and running"

Can someone confirm this?

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Re: images overlapping in java bridge

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Hi Vijaya

This is the developer list. For User questions pleas go to the User Forum.

https://forum.openoffice.org/

Regards, Raphael

Am .06.2017, 11:27 Uhr, schrieb Vijayalakshmi A P  
:



Hi,

This is in OO3.3.

I am writing images and data to the doc export.

The issue I am facing is when I try to insert multiple images one after
another,
They just keep overlapping each other.

Can anyone plz help me to get across this??

The images should appear one after another.


Thanks
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Re: Failing to build 4.1.4

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Hi Rory

Am .06.2017, 19:43 Uhr, schrieb Rory O'Farrell :


On Sat, 3 Jun 2017 19:33:59 +0200
Matthias Seidel  wrote:


That sounds great!

I just finished a new build on Windows and was able to fix an (optical)
bug in the Japanese Installer... ;-)

Matthias


For information, I have been using 4.1.4 for about a week, and at the  
level of my use (Text writing/editing/layout) of long book texts and  
simple Spreadsheet, it has behaved perfectly.


Thanks a load for that feedback. On witch system you use Apache OpenOffice?

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Re: Status: 4.1.4

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Hi Matthias

Am .05.2017, 16:21 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:



Hi Raphael,

I did manage to build 4.1.4 (en-US, de, ja, pt) on Windows 7, although I
am not sure if I use the correct configure.
(Andrea did post a link some time ago, but I am not able to it...)

What is PSDK referring to?

I think, I massed up the installation of the SDK's

Can you post the configuration of your builds?

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Re: Status: 4.1.4

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Hi All

I have still a fight with the Windows SDK. For some reasons, PSDK is not  
recognized.


Regards, Raphael

Am .05.2017, 14:06 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:


I've been operating under the assumption that I *am* the
release manager :)

As such, I think we should shoot for a release next week at the
latest. Last I checked, there were no remaining blockers for
4.1.4. As such, HEAD of  
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/AOO414/

represents what will turn into the likely release.

I'll be doing macOS/OSX build and can also do the CentOS 5 32/64 bit
ones as well (rpm and deb), if required.

Comments? Feedback?

On May 23, 2017, at 10:05 AM, Raphael Bircher  
<rbircherapa...@gmail.com> wrote:


Hi Jim

Am .05.2017, 15:53 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:


I am going thru the proposed blockers in anticipation of a AOO 4.1.4
release. I have not approved the 2 graphics-related mods, simply
because even though they look like they might be easy, I don't
want to subject ourselves to the risk, even as small as it might
be. Plus, good PR for 4.2.0.


I'm fine with this. From the release criteria point of view it's not  
really a blocker.


Does this also mean, that you take over the Release Nanager?

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Re: There are some tar.gz in the 4.1.4 source

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Hi Andrea

Am .05.2017, 23:10 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

There are some tar.gz in the 4.1.4 source in ext_source. They should not
be there. we have to remove them before the release.


There is no "4.1.4 source" since, as you say, we haven't released 4.1.4  
yet. If you mean that  
http://svn.apache.org/viewvc/openoffice/branches/AOO414/ contains  
external sources, this is not an issue at all: the source package (so  
the real "4.1.4 source") is prepared by a script that removes the extra  
files.



Make sure, that you always run clean before committing stuff. Else we
have binaries inside the source.


If you look at the link above, you will see that nobody committed to it  
since it was created (as a copy of the 4.1.3 sources). So nobody  
committed additional stuff by mistake, it was already there.


If you want to take a look at the script (that actually needs some  
polishing) you can probably find it in the release blockers, or just ask  
again and I will find the link.


Thanks for that information, than all is ok.

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There are some tar.gz in the 4.1.4 source

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Hi all

There are some tar.gz in the 4.1.4 source in ext_source. They should not  
be there. we have to remove them before the release.


Make sure, that you always run clean before committing stuff. Else we have  
binaries inside the source.


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Re: Status: 4.1.4

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Hi Jim

Am .05.2017, 15:53 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski :


I am going thru the proposed blockers in anticipation of a AOO 4.1.4
release. I have not approved the 2 graphics-related mods, simply
because even though they look like they might be easy, I don't
want to subject ourselves to the risk, even as small as it might
be. Plus, good PR for 4.2.0.


I'm fine with this. From the release criteria point of view it's not  
really a blocker.


Does this also mean, that you take over the Release Nanager?

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Re: Bugzilla

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Hi Peter

Am .05.2017, 08:34 Uhr, schrieb Peter Kovacs :


There are enough offices around.
We have enough office suites who run all into the same direction, yes. But  
I think there is room for much more different office solution. Spend some  
time and read the feature request on Bugzilla. You will soon realize that  
many feature request bite each other. You can do one or the other, but not  
both. Office suites to day are nasty compromises. If you have specific  
versions for specific user groups, you could solve so many problems.


There is no point in starting from the scratch without any plan or  
vision.

I think, I have arguments for this.


Imho looking for Companies & Investors is the route Libre is moving.
I don't think doing the same is smart.
I would rather prefer the opposite direction and focus on community  
building.
And you want to do this only with volunteers? I say forget it. If AOO runs  
well, we have about 80 mails on the dev Mailing list per day. A pure  
Volunteer simply can't keep up with this load and still develop. An other  
problem is that you will get volunteers. But as soon they doing great  
work, they receive a Job offer from companies, and you will never see them  
again. No we need the companies. This is part of community building. We  
can maybe hold this version with non professional, but not improve it.  
Believe me we tryed it many times in the past. The native port of Mac OS X  
was the last real non company driven bigger improvement in OOo. And it  
would not be there, if not SUN jumped in with two devs to finish it.



And that is something we can do without any programmer skills.
We can claim that we are not bound today to anyone. The structure of  
Apache makes sure of that, I think this is something we differ a lot  
from TDF and we should utilize.
Also I think we should try to do a bit of old school Open Source. No  
market focus for devs, rather go for the tech thingy.

I think we have to much competition on our minds.

We have something that is a challenge to master. Especially our bugs.
I think there are developers out there that are fed up with the way open  
source works today.
Had a colleague talked on Friday, who told me exactly that. I stay with  
him in touch now. Who knows maybe he joins someday. (No promises)


I think if you take a look at today's capability of c++ it is an awesome  
language.

Our problem is not the language but we use different ones.
I am personally impressed by other languages too.
But the more different languages I use the more I am convinced that the  
language used does not matter. The concept, architecture and tooling  
does.

We need more helpers that simplify work, development wise.
I also suggest to not trying to fix one bug, but by solving a bug and  
uplift our code.


All the best
Peter


Am 21. Mai 2017 05:48:00 MESZ schrieb Patricia Shanahan :

On 5/20/2017 2:11 PM, Dave Fisher wrote:
...

We have way too many users to abandon the 4.x branch completely. We
do need to handle security issues.

If we want start a rewrite for a 5.x then we will need to map the
functionality particularly in Calc. We will also need to pick a more
modern language compared to C++. We now have an XML schema which can
help us generate code. We did this for Java in Apache POI. The ODF
Toolkit is also still in the Incubator and it could be of use.

I think we should all think about it a little and then have a series
of video conferences reporting back to the community with a synopsis
step by step.


I can see a case for creating a new project to build a modern office
suite from scratch, if there are enough interested people to make it
viable.

I strongly disagree with calling it "OpenOffice" or assigning it an
OpenOffice version number, for the following reasons:

1. Doing so would create an expectation of compatibility that would
limit the options for the new suite.

2. Depending on how quickly the new suite is developed, and, after
release, its download rate relative to OpenOffice, we may want to
produce an actual OpenOffice 5.x. Using "OpenOffice 5.x" for the new
suite would limit the actual OpenOffice to 4.y, no matter how large y
gets, or how long demand for OpenOffice continues.

3. If you look at what I wrote above, using "OpenOffice" for the new
suite makes it very difficult to write clearly about the differences
between it and the current OpenOffice line.

I suggest that the people interested in writing new office suite should
pick a project name and either create an incubator podling or, if there
are enough members involved, create a new top level project.

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Hi Patricia

Am .05.2017, 22:04 Uhr, schrieb Patricia Shanahan <p...@acm.org>:


On 5/20/2017 9:07 AM, Raphael Bircher wrote:

Hi all

Am .05.2017, 16:32 Uhr, schrieb esh1907 <esh1...@gmail.com>:

Maybe we should try to locate and convince people who used to work  
during

Star and Sun Microsystems to rejoin the project?


I think this is the wrong way to go. We can't get the good old time
back. What we need is fresh business blood. Not companies who use
OpenOffice, Companies who help develop the project. Without this we will
face a slow dead. A project in this size need professional developers.

But companies don't com just to put money in, they want something back
(normally). SUN and IBM was a big exception. The point is, we are not
attractive for Companies at the moment. There is no room to make money.
We should start getting attractive for companies.


We may need both. If a company got interested in AOO today, they would  
be presented with the same problem as I'm fighting: a large, complicated  
body of code that seems to have been modified by separate departments -  
just because I find out how something works in writer, it does not mean  
I know how it works in calc.


A retired Sun or StarOffice person who understands how the code is put  
together could save me a lot of time. My current low level objective is  
to find where to put a break point to intercept a double click on OLE  
substitute text. A few minutes of e-mail response from someone who  
knows, or knows how to find out, might save me hours or days. The same  
would apply to the professional developers you want.
I don't think, that this people are already retired, they are not old  
enough. And people from the pre SUN time bring not a load of benefit. Most  
of the code has changed since 1998. AFAIK one of the oldest part is the  
build in file picker (not the native one) He goes back to 199x.


But you are right, the ex people from SUN would be value. If the  
commercial situation of Apache OpenOffice changes, we can maybe get some  
of them back.


But what I want to say, we should not waste the time and try to restore  
the old project. OpenOffice is old, in the IT world very old. Things  
change from time to time. I don't say to scrap the old model immediately.  
Maybe we should invite people from the whole ASF to discuss how a modern  
Office Suite looks like. I believe we are to strong focused on the old  
concept. Sometimes this blocks new ideas and scares also companies with  
new ideas away.


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Re: 4.1.4 blockers (Was: Re: Release 4.1.3 (4.1.4))

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Am .05.2017, 12:30 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
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Hi Jim,

That is alright with me...

...if we start working on a 4.2.0 branch as soon as possible! ;-)

Regards, Matthias


Am 17.05.2017 um 17:36 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

My plan is to hold off on accepting this...


On May 3, 2017, at 2:36 PM, Marcus  wrote:

Am 03.05.2017 um 11:54 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

An installer for Windows (and macOS) with an outdated ASF logo is
"broken" (in my eyes) ;-)

80% of our downloads are for Windows, 15% for macOS. They should see  
the

new logo!

the logos are visible just at 2 places:
- splash screen
--> With the modern PC systems these days it's visible for only - hm,  
let's say - 1,5 sec.


- About dialog
--> IMHO a dialog that is one of the most seldom opened dialogs in
OpenOffice.

I don't want to sound too negative. I just doubt that the most users  
will notice this graphical change. ;-)


However, at the end it's the decision of the Release Manager if he is  
accepting this as a blocker.



Apart from that, no code! Just some graphics...
Sure, but every change is a risk. And it should be prevented in  
general when it's not necessary. I don't make a difference between  
code and non-code.


Paranoia? Maybe.
Experience? Yes.

Marcus




Am 03.05.2017 um 00:11 schrieb Marcus:

Am 02.05.2017 um 23:51 schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Am 02.05.2017 um 13:42 schrieb Jim Jagielski:

On Mar 22, 2017, at 8:43 AM, Matthias Seidel
 wrote:

If we decide to get the new ASF logos for the installer, we should  
also
update the setup icons for Windows/macOS and the Intro/About  
Dialog. But
there has been a discussion with Andrea and Marcus whether to  
include

such things or not...

correct, new graphics cannot be a blocker for a release. Except the
existing ones are broken. But this is not the case here.

Sorry, but we should clearly think twice if a change is necessary for
a bugfix release. Every change has its own risk.

My 2 ct.

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Re: Bugzilla

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Am .05.2017, 19:15 Uhr, schrieb Hagar Delest <delest.ha...@gmail.com>:


Le 20/05/2017 à 18:07, Raphael Bircher a écrit :
But companies don't com just to put money in, they want something back  
(normally). SUN and IBM was a big exception. The point is, we are not  
attractive for Companies at the moment. There is no room to make money.  
We should start getting attractive for companies.


The only one I would see is Canonical. But i still don't understand why  
they chose LibO.

What other company would invest money in a MS Office competitor???
In addition to the investment in the development (meaning manpower cost  
but also the time needed to get the equivalent features they already  
have in MS Office), there would also be the training of the users, the  
migration of the existing tools and files (especially macros) and the  
problem of the format interoperability with the people this company  
deals with.
That's too much for companies to think about it IMHO. Or perhaps Google  
but what for?


The main problem is, that we have no good reason to invest in OpenOffice.  
Since years, we just run behind MS Office. But we never get beyond a good  
copy of MS Office. License cost free is not a feature. The only benefit  
OpenOffice offers, is that it runs on 3 Operating system with the same  
code. this gives a base line in the program witch MS O lakes. We avoid a  
load of compatibility issue with this.




Is there any company that invests substantially in LibO BTW (just a  
question, I really don't know)?
When I see all the migrations (mostly to LibO because it's much more  
dynamic and they are good at marketing their project), I just see bodies  
(often administrations) who want to cut costs but without major  
investment, they just take it because it serves their cause but I doubt  
there is any will to go further for them (I mean dedicate manpower to  
help the project).


That was a big mistake of the old OpenOffice Marketing. They promote  
mostly the cost freeness. And they promote that you can save the License  
expense. On the first look, this is true, but on the second view id didn't  
work at all. With Open Source you save no license cost, because you need  
the money to bring the project forward.


For my point of view, saving money is a bad reason to use Open Source.



I thought when OOo was given to Apache that the licensing would give  
interest to the project for companies but it did not happen at all. Less  
restrictive licensing attracts most of the devs. This is part of the  
world evolution today I guess: people want more free sharing, or at  
least want to avoid that their code can be used for commercial when they  
give it for free.


The license only don't generate commercial interest. It needs an  
interesting Project for company, and it looks, we are not at the moment.  
At the moment, the OpenOffice Project don't give companies the opportunity  
to make money.


This will probably change as sonn as
- there exist easy ways to do a 3rd party version
- there is a substantial interest of Users investing money.




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Re: Bugzilla

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Hi all

Am .05.2017, 16:32 Uhr, schrieb esh1907 :


Maybe we should try to locate and convince people who used to work during
Star and Sun Microsystems to rejoin the project?


I think this is the wrong way to go. We can't get the good old time back.  
What we need is fresh business blood. Not companies who use OpenOffice,  
Companies who help develop the project. Without this we will face a slow  
dead. A project in this size need professional developers.


But companies don't com just to put money in, they want something back  
(normally). SUN and IBM was a big exception. The point is, we are not  
attractive for Companies at the moment. There is no room to make money. We  
should start getting attractive for companies.


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Re: Windows 10 S

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Hi all

We have anyway to move, because we use very old SDK's

Regards Raphael

Am .05.2017, 10:19 Uhr, schrieb FR web forum :


+1
With XP and Vista EoL, 32-bit systems are dead.
Issue for AOO: https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=46594
64-bit port has been done for LibO.
Process described here:
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Development/msvc-x86_64


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De: "Rory O'Farrell" 
À: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Envoyé: Jeudi 11 Mai 2017 10:01:00
Objet: Windows 10 S


I cam across this thread on an Ubuntu forum
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=2360989

The gist of it is that Win 10 S (out of the box) will not run 32 bit  
applications.


I have not delved into the depths of Windows 10 and Microsoft policy,  
being a contented linux user, but if the reports in that thread are true  
ought we not seriously consider a 64 bit OpenOffice?





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Re: OpenOffice4.1.3 Startup Problems on CentOS 7 32-bit

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Hi

Am .05.2017, 04:15 Uhr, schrieb Len E. :


Ladies/Gentlemen:

The subject post was entered on the Apache
OpenOffice Forum yesterday in the category
Install, Setup and Troubleshooting --> Linux.

Rory suggested that I refer the situation to you
for your review and expert commentary.



Can we see the command line output?

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Re: Abwerbeangebot von Microsoft

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Am .04.2017, 17:26 Uhr, schrieb Mechtilde :


Hallo zusammen,

diese angebots-Mail haben wohl viele bekommen, die regelmäßig auf den
Mailinglisten gepostet haben, wie ich auch

Ok, dann weiss ich jetzt schon zwei...



Nach meiner Einschätzung sit das einfach SPAM

Ich vermute die Mail ging an die meisten die bei ComDev Aktiv sind.

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Abwerbeangebot von Microsoft

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Hallo zusammen

Erst möchte ich mal sagen, dass ich kein Gegner mehr von Microsoft bin.  
Ja, ich war das mal, aber MS hat in den letzten Jahren glaub einiges dazu  
gelernt, und beteiligen sich sehr aktiv an der Open Source Szene. Ich  
selbst setzte seit bald zwei Jahren wieder Windows ein.


Dennoch ist es zweifelsohne so, dass Apache OpenOffice ein direkter  
Konkurent von MS ist. Ich arbeite damit. Ich war lange der Meinung, dass  
uns MS eigentlich nicht mehr als Gefahr für sie sieht. Aber jetzt bin ich  
mir nicht mehr ganz so sicher.


Gestern bekam ich ein Jobangebot von Microsoft Research Shanghai. Ok, das  
ist jetzt nicht das erste Jobangebot das ich erhalte, es ist bekannt, dass  
die grossen Firmen Open Source Projekte nach möglichen Mitarbeitern  
durchforsten. Das Timing fand ich aber schon brisant. Schliesslich  
versuche ich gerade was ausserhalb Apache aufzugleisen, um wieder  
Entwickler in das Projekt zu bekommen. Dies hab ich hier vor allem  
geschrieben, um zu veranschaulichen, weshalb manchmal über Jahre aktive  
Entwickler einfach verschwinden.


Wollte das nur mal so sagen.

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Apache OpenOffice NG

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Hi all

Apache OpenOffice NG stands for New Generation. I know, this thread is  
difficult. Just sit down, relax and read it. This is just a brainstorm. We  
don't talk now if it's possible or not.


What would happened if we drop the product but not the project? Drop the  
binaries and just doing source Release. The idea is to hand over the final  
products (can be a variety of products) to third party organizations  
(Companies, whatever). The Project remains open to provide a common  
codebase.


I know, this is a complete different way. At first i said: "NO, NEVER",  
but if I start thinking a bit longer I also see the big chances in.


Maybe we should say goodbye to the idea of the one big office suite who  
try to serve all the peoples needs and start to think in direction of  
smaller office tools who are customized for a User Group.


What you think about this, the tread is open for inputs, ideas and so on.

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Sorry for not providing Windows Builds yet

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Hi all

I'm sorry for not providing Windows build yet. If someone step up and want  
to do the build, I'm completely find with it. I just want to say that.


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Re: Request for Mwiki account

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Hi Matthias

This should be done

Regards, Raphael

Am .03.2017, 22:39 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:



Hello all!

I think I also need an account for our MediaWiki (MWiki) ;-)

My prefered username: mseidel
My prefered mail address: msei...@apache.org

Kind regards, Matthias





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Re: Linux BuilBots

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Hi Matthias


Am .03.2017, 21:16 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
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Hi Raphael,

The dead download link is in the conf file for all our buildbots:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf

According to this page it is the place to update the configuration:

https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OOOUSERS/Buildbot+info



BTW: I only find one reference for that specific URL in source and it  
seems some sort of comment:


http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=msweet.org%2Ffiles%2F=aoo-trunk

Of course this should also be corrected.
I was wrong sorry, the download source in this case is added by the  
configure. so of course you need to change the buildbot config. Can you  
please also update the informations on the build instructions on the wiki?


Sorry for my false information, and thanks for your efforts.

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Re: Linux BuilBots

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Hi Matthias

Am .03.2017, 20:49 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
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Hi Raphael,

Does changing the source code affect the configuration of the buildbots?
Not the configuration, but the downloads of external sources is triggered  
by bootstrap. If there is a dead download link, it don't download the  
source, and this leads you to that error. So you have to correct the  
download link in the OpenOffice source code.


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Re: Linux BuilBots

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Hi Matthias

Am .03.2017, 20:32 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
:




Hello all!

When I tried to build AOO on Ubuntu 16.04 I encountered the same error  
as our Buildbots:


---
1 module(s):   epm
need(s) to be rebuilt

Reason(s):

ERROR: error 65280 occurred while making  
/home/buildslave/slave/openoffice-linux64-nightly/build/main/epm


When you have fixed the errors in that module you can resume the build  
by running:


   build --all:epm
---

Problem was epm download from:
http://www.msweet.org/files/project2/epm-3.7-source.tar.gz

I changed the URL to:
https://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/epm-3.7.tar.gz

So I would like to make this change also to the config file for our  
buildbots:

https://svn.apache.org/repos/infra/infrastructure/buildbot/aegis/buildmaster/master1/projects/openofficeorg.conf

Any objections? (BTW: dmake is also downloaded from Sourceforge)


The right place to change this is in the OpenOffice source code. Simply  
search for the old download link. And yea, it's really broken, I stumbled  
over the same issue.


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Re: Official build configuration on Windows

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Hi Andrea

Am .03.2017, 01:25 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


On 22/03/2017 Raphael Bircher wrote:

Yea, I looked into the configure.sh for Linux, but the questions are
more about the Windows specific switches. I hoped someone can provide
the switches.


They should be in the first lines of the log file for Windows (use the  
4.1.2 files first, always from the link I sent). Can't you find them  
there?


I will sort it out, and post the configuration here.

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Re: A question before I download

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Hi

Please don't ask any user questions on this list. This is the developer  
mailing list. Please go to https://forum.openoffice.org/ for this  
question, thanks!


Regards, Raphael

Am .03.2017, 23:02 Uhr, schrieb MISTY BLUE :

Hi, I have an HP laptop that came with reduced-priced WORD Home combo  
(WORD, EXCEL, etc.) That one-year special is about to end and I'd really  
like to switch over to your software because of the high renewal price.  
I really only use word processing but I guess your download is  
everything just like WORD. My question is do I wait until my WORD  
subscription expires next Monday to download your software or can I  
download before WORD expires without causing any conflict? Looking  
forward to your reply. Misty



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Re: Release 4.1.3 (4.1.4)

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Hi Jim, *

That's ok, I think. Andrea told that he would have the builds not befor  
end march. And I'm happy if I have my Windows builds on Monday too.


Regards, Raphael

Am .03.2017, 12:59 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:


I can have this complete and uploaded by this Monday if that's OK...
I am currently traveling and my AOO build system isn't accessible
from where I am.

On Mar 22, 2017, at 7:52 AM, Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com> wrote:


On Mar 21, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Raphael Bircher  
<rbircherapa...@gmail.com> wrote:



Is there someone who can do Mac OS X?



As mentioned previously, I can. In fact, I have, but it was not
a full-distclean rebuild, so will do again, just to make sure.

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Re: Official build configuration on Windows

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Am .03.2017, 01:15 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

I need the official build configuration on windows. Can someone help me?


I won't be able to help you specifically on Windows, but did you  
actually start from the link I sent? Try the 4.1.2 scripts/documents  
first; the log file has plenty of information about the environment.  
When you bump into a difficulty, it will be better to ask about that one  
in detail rather than asking generically.


Yea, I looked into the configure.sh for Linux, but the questions are more  
about the Windows specific switches. I hoped someone can provide the  
switches.


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Re: Release 4.1.3 (4.1.4)

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Hi all

Am .03.2017, 12:52 Uhr, schrieb Jim Jagielski <j...@jagunet.com>:



On Mar 21, 2017, at 9:49 AM, Raphael Bircher <rbircherapa...@gmail.com>  
wrote:



Is there someone who can do Mac OS X?



As mentioned previously, I can. In fact, I have, but it was not
a full-distclean rebuild, so will do again, just to make sure.

Once done, will upload. Suggested upload locations appreciated :)


Thanks a loat, Jim

Ok, a short summary:

Linux 64 deb/rpm Andrea
Windows Raphael(I hope I will get it)
Mac OS X Jim

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I need the official build configuration on windows. Can someone help me?  
Thanks a load.


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Re: Release 4.1.3 (4.1.4)

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Am .03.2017, 23:42 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

@Ariel please give a comment, if you are able to create the Release or
not. If not, I'm willing to volunteer as release manager.


More than a Release Manager we need builds. Can you put builds online  
for people to test? Even though it is (deliberately) complex to do so,  
you can upload them to your home.apache.org account via SFTP.


I can only follow a few discussions lately, but I think I can provide  
proper Linux-64 builds from the AOO414 branch matching the 4.1.3  
specifications (this won't happen before end of March). Unfortunately  
this is only marginally useful as the majority of downloads are for  
other operating systems. So it is very valuable if, on your own machine  
(no buildbots, let's keep it simple), you can provide builds for other  
systems.


Ok, I just started to setup windows for Release compatible builds. But it  
will take some time, since windows is the most nasty platform to build.


Is there someone who can do Mac OS X?

And Linux 32bit?


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Release 4.1.3

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@Ariel please give a comment, if you are able to create the Release or  
not. If not, I'm willing to volunteer as release manager.


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Re: Buildbot

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Hallo Josef

Am .03.2017, 16:44 Uhr, schrieb Josef Latt :


Hi,

weiß hier jemand, was mit dem Buildbot
'https://ci.apache.org/projects/openoffice/install/' los ist?
Die letzen Builds datieren alle auf Ende Februar.


Der wurde von Infra geupdated, und der Source baut nicht mehr darauf. Das  
wird ein hartes Stück Arbeit für uns.


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Re: OpenOffice Windows builds

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Hi Andrea

Am .03.2017, 08:23 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

So this means, the buildbot is completely unusable for the 4.1.4 branch.


We never used a buildbot for building releases.

That said, I'm not actually sure about the version of Visual Studio that  
can work for building on Windows. It would help if someone can tell  
Infra.
It's Visual Studio 08. But Infra is not willing to install such old  
version on a new VM. But to be honest, we have to move forward anyway. We  
can't stick with VS 2008 much longer.


The reason for the first build breaker is probably just, that the  
configure can't get the version number of the MSVC. I did some analyses,  
but to dig deeper, I have to install VS 2015 on my own computer.


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Re: OpenOffice Windows builds

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Am .03.2017, 04:19 Uhr, schrieb Chris Thistlethwaite :


Greetings,


Infra has been migrating VMs away from our aging systems in OSU and in  
the last week we've moved the buildbot for Windows 7 (bb-win7) to a new  
Windows 10 VM (bb-win10). I've been trying to get all the builds on that  
machine working and ran into some issues with aoo-win7 and aoo-w741k.  
Those two builds require Visual Stuido 2008 and some deprecated build  
tools. We'd like to get those updated to use Visual Studio 2015. Until  
the builds are updated, they are going to continue to fail.



Please refer to the build errors for details  
https://ci.apache.org/builders/aoo-win7/builds/657/steps/configure/logs/stdio


So this means, the buildbot is completely unusable for the 4.1.4 branch. I  
don't know if we use the BB for release. If yes, we have to search for an  
other solution :-(.


For the 4.2.0 it means, tat we have to switch to VisualStudio 2015. Before  
the BB is also completely unusable.


So we have actually just the Linux BB's and a Free BSD? That's no good  
news.


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FYI: Deleted some old SUN stuff

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Hi all,

I found some really old scripts refering to the EIS/CWS stuff. The scripts  
are no longer needed, so I deleted it.


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Re: Access to the OpenOffice Buildbot boxes

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Hi Andrea

Am .03.2017, 08:44 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

Yea, as I found out, the shell access is reserved to infra committers.


OK, but what did you want to do? I mean, shell access is not granted  
since it is assumed that we can do everything we need without needing  
it. So if you wanted to help with buildbots you should be able to do it  
immediately with your current privileges.


I just want to make sure that I have proper access if there is something.  
I believed that we can have shell access. But I was wrong. So never mind.


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Re: Access to the OpenOffice Buildbot boxes

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Hi all

Am .03.2017, 00:04 Uhr, schrieb Andrea Pescetti <pesce...@apache.org>:


Raphael Bircher wrote:

I want to have access to the buildbot boxes from Apache OpenOffice. If
it's ok for you, I will ask infra for access referring to this thread.


You already do. All committers have access to the buildbot  
configuration, that covers everything we can do and is somewhere in SVN  
(I can't find it now but ask me if you don't find it; it's not in the  
OpenOffice SVN, but in the Infra SVN).


I think shell access is not given since each project can manage  
everything through SVN.


That said, I'm absolutely OK with you being given shell access! I'm just  
noting that probably whatever you want to do can be done with the  
privileges you already have, by changing files in SVN.


Yea, as I found out, the shell access is reserved to infra committers.

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Access to the OpenOffice Buildbot boxes

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Hi all,

I want to have access to the buildbot boxes from Apache OpenOffice. If  
it's ok for you, I will ask infra for access referring to this thread.


Thanks and by,
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Re: [Pootle] Where to make changes in English

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Hi Matthias

Am .02.2017, 17:00 Uhr, schrieb Matthias Seidel  
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Hello all,

There are some glitches in Pootle for the "master" language (EN-US?).
(Look out for "documention"...)

They are in the source. sometimes OpenGrok helps you to find the strings.


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Forum and wiki has still the old Apache Logo

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Hi everybody

I just noticed, that the forum and the wiki (Mediawiki) still has the old  
ASF Logo. Ok, it's not that important, but I think, it should be changed.  
I have anymore access to the VM. Can someone with access to the VM change  
this?


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Contact to SourceForge

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I search our contact to SourceForge. Has anyone the information?

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Re: Documentation needs

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Am .02.2017, 15:20 Uhr, schrieb Patricia Shanahan :


On 2/14/2017 10:40 PM, Jörg Schmidt wrote:

Hello,


From: Patricia Shanahan [mailto:p...@acm.org]



I'm sure our documentation needs work, and there is someone with
writing, editing, and copyediting skills hoping to help. The
doc@ list
seems to be dead, except for one message posted this year.

What would be the best way to get started on improving our website or
documentation?


I think the easiest way is to use the wiki and coordinate the work.  
Start here:

https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation

Previously, much was coordinated by odf-autors:
http://www.odfauthors.org/

At the moment, I do not know how to create an account in the Wiki,  
_maybe someone else can help_?


Editing the web pages is done with cms, you have to have an account,  
which you get when you are committer:



The German language documentation is _actively_ maintained by the team  
of the ProOO-Box, see:

http://prooo-box.org/live/seiten/dokumentation.html
(see also the site: https://www.openoffice.org/de/doc/index.html but  
the documents there are not up-to-date)


Maybe one place to start on the English documentation would be to pick  
up German changes, machine translate, and then polish the result, if the  
licensing permits?


Perhaps one can say more precisely, documentation is not my particular  
workspace.


I think the real problem is that currently documentation is not in  
anybody's workspace. We have at least one volunteer who is interested,  
but needs help getting started.


I asked on the Facebook Page for help. We will see, whats the reaction.




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Re: Short news video about Apache OpenOffice

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Am .02.2017, 09:11 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de>:


Hello,


From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com]



Hi all

I've done a short news video about our project. Just want to
inform you.
https://youtu.be/9P-Hww7K-eQ

Feel free to give me feedback.


I like it, but your Swiss English is a little bit original ;-)


Of course you can share it if you want ;-)


If it is not so much work, create a German version and we can link it on
http://www.openoffice.org/de/.


And here it is... the German video https://youtu.be/7VtRaN7JccU

Feel free to share it. Thanks!

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Re: Short news video about Apache OpenOffice

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Hi Jörg

Am .02.2017, 09:11 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt <joe...@j-m-schmidt.de>:


Hello,


From: Raphael Bircher [mailto:rbircherapa...@gmail.com]



Hi all

I've done a short news video about our project. Just want to
inform you.
https://youtu.be/9P-Hww7K-eQ

Feel free to give me feedback.


I like it, but your Swiss English is a little bit original ;-)


I know ;-)



Of course you can share it if you want ;-)


If it is not so much work, create a German version and we can link it on
http://www.openoffice.org/de/.


Should be less work as the English one ;-)

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Short news video about Apache OpenOffice

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Hi all

I've done a short news video about our project. Just want to inform you.  
https://youtu.be/9P-Hww7K-eQ


Feel free to give me feedback. Of course you can share it if you want ;-)

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Re: Increase the number of tables in Calc

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Hi Damjan

We should run performance tests for this. To increase the number is maybe  
easy, to find out the side effects is not so an easy task.


I this case, we have to be careful in this case. I want to see some test  
specs here. I'm willing to help there. It would be nice to have Jörg on  
the testers too.


Regards, Raphael

Am .02.2017, 20:52 Uhr, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic :


My patch works :-). I can make 1024 sheets!

On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:39 PM, Damjan Jovanovic   
wrote:



Sorry, my bad.

Hopefully, to increase number of sheets, it's just this one-line patch
below that I am busy compiling now. Will let you know if it works soon.


Index: main/sc/inc/address.hxx
===
--- main/sc/inc/address.hxx(revision 1781341)
+++ main/sc/inc/address.hxx(working copy)
@@ -87,7 +87,7 @@
 // Count values
 const SCROW   MAXROWCOUNT= MAXROWCOUNT_DEFINE;
 const SCCOL   MAXCOLCOUNT= MAXCOLCOUNT_DEFINE;
-const SCTAB   MAXTABCOUNT= 256;
+const SCTAB   MAXTABCOUNT= 1024;
 const SCCOLROWMAXCOLROWCOUNT = MAXROWCOUNT;
 // Maximum values
 const SCROW   MAXROW = MAXROWCOUNT - 1;


On Sun, Feb 5, 2017 at 9:32 PM, FR web forum  wrote:


>The maximum column I see is AMJ, which is the 1024th.
>Which version are you using?
Not columns but sheets

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Re: changing the site for creating a issuezilla account

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Am .01.2017, 20:22 Uhr, schrieb Mathias Röllig :


The best we can do is still to ask politely and honestly the user to go
first to a user forum and ask for help. Sure, the most will also ignore
this hint.


YES, but this MUST BE at
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/createaccount.cgi

Anybody should read, that issuezilla is NOT A HELPDESK /before/ one is  
creating an issuezilla account!
Maybe we should remove all bz links at the User site *.openoffice.org* and  
only have a link on the developer page openoffice.apache.org


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Using IRC more

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Hi at all

We don't use IRC at the moment. I miss this instrument. First to get fast  
respond for problems, like building. second I believe that it also helps  
to grow the community. You have the possibility for real time talk. This  
is sometimes really healthy. For me, a good chat can be like a heartbeat  
of a community.


Do we meet at freenode.net on ApacheOO or what do you think.

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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

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Hi Jörg

Am .01.2017, 22:16 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt :


-Original Message-
From: Dennis E. Hamilton [mailto:orc...@apache.org]



Apache Projects all produce software free to the public.
Nothing more.


Is a office-programming-projekt under Apache Licence not a free project?


Coming into the Incubator means operating
under the Incubator PMC with an existing *software* project
that can stand on its feet better as part of Apache Community.


yes, clear


I think it is appropriate to find the simplest thing that can
possibly work.

I recommend following Raphael's recommendation.


Sorry, but my interest is the original (= Openoffice) and no third party  
project.


I do not think the ASF would allow a crowd funding campaign for AOO   
and a crowd funding campaign war Raphaels suggestion.



If at least
that can work, then one has a foundation for something.


Yes, for a third party project ... for that I have no interest.


You got here something wrong. It's not needed to make a fork. You can do  
the whole work at Apache OpenOffice. You have only to follow the  
Development guide lines of OpenOffice. But that's not a problem I think.


The only thing that has to be done outside ASF is the founding. And you  
don't collect Money for OpenOffice itself. You collect money to develop  
some features or to fix a list of bugs. This is a small bat important  
difference. And you collect the money not as the ASF or Apache OpenOffice,  
you collect it as an individual.


The development will go the ordinary way. there is no difference between  
paid work and volunteered work.


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Community Building: Development business next steps

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Hi at all

Ok, we have had a long discussion about. if we want, what's the  
possibilities and how we can setup a way that user can invest money in  
Apache OpenOffice.


It seams to be clear, that the whole thing has to be done outside ASF. I  
got also really clear statement on the dev@community.a.o list from some  
long standing ASF members.


I think the way is:
- Find work that could be done
- Find a company that is willing to do it.
- Find a crowd funding platform
- Find ways, to rich out our users.
- founding (external)
- development (i propose to develop directly here)

I never said, that the way is easy. But I believe we have to do it. I'm  
honest, after all this years at this project I don't expect to much. Most  
of our user probably simply want a free program and have no interest in  
paying anything. But at our user base, even a small group can be really  
big. So let's work on this, for Apache OpenOffice and for our users.


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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

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Am .01.2017, 05:31 Uhr, schrieb Dennis E. Hamilton :





-Original Message-
From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 17, 2017 19:39
To: dev@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

If a member can not collect for the hole project, I think the ASF should
do. That would be the simplest solution.
Can we ask the ASF what they think? Are they against a simple OpenOffice
development specific fund?
After all this is a end user product, not some IT component.

[orcmid]

It is possible that targeted donations might have an arrangement.  They  
would not be for small sums, I think.
It would be up to the AOO Project Management Committee to make such  
requests.


However, there is a different aspect here.  The ASF does not pay  
developers.  None.  Not any.  Of course, contributors might make their  
contributions as part of their employment, but it is not paid by the ASF.


So targeted donations would pay for other things needed by the project  
that are beyond what ASF normally provides.


Both of these factors are related to the non-profit status of the ASF  
and how it defines its mission and what its policies are for achieving  
that mission.


We talked through much of this probably one year ago.

Other projects do have downstream producers who create distributions or  
forks and may be commercial.  But they contribute back upstream, and may  
have people who provide those contributions and work with the project on  
fixes, etc.


I personaly don't believe in that model for Apache OpenOffice. There is no  
need for a customized version of Apache OpenOffice. And the people who  
fork, do it normaly to have there own product. They don't want to  
upstream. But Yes, it is one model, who exist within ASF. Not that I'm  
completely against this way... If someone finds a way, to generate money  
to contribute back, it would be nice. But I don't think it's the right way.


I'm more with the payed feature model



We can dig up that conversation if you like.

I would be interested, where the discussion ends ;-)

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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

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Am .01.2017, 11:00 Uhr, schrieb Jörg Schmidt :


Hello,


From: Peter Kovacs [mailto:legi...@gmail.com]



We see in Star citizen how mighty crowd can be.

Maybe a platform would be great where people can pledge money
for something
they need.
If the needed budget is reached, payed developers implement it.
Or we could do it as a bonus system. You pledge money on a
bug/enhancement,
if the bug gets included in the release the developers get a payout.





This is just an idea. I am not sure if we can do business
within the ASF or
if we have to found a 3rd party entity for this.
If we have to go 3rd party I prefer a cooperative society as
a legal form.
https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/social-economy/cooperative
s/european-cooperative-society_de


You are basically right, but let me give the following information.

Team OpenOffice was such a project. The participants were mainly  
experienced OpenOffice developers from SUN Microsystems.
I think, the real problem there was this text  
http://www.opensourceforbusiness.info/openoffice-org-droht-das-aus/




See:
https://web.archive.org/web/20120107200702/http://teamopenoffice.org/de/the-team-de.html

But Apache made a front against this project and so it was no chance.  
The only short-term result was "White Label Office", see for example:

http://www.chip.de/downloads/White-Label-Office_53492033.html

I do not want to criticize one-sidedly, here is a different view:
http://www.golem.de/1112/88663.html

But Apache is the larger party and it would be the task of Apache to  
recognize opportunities and bundle forces.


This is unfortunately the truth and it is a central problem for  
OpenOffice.


The only restriction the ASF have is, that you can not collect money in  
the name of a project as a third party. And Apache itself does not found  
defelopment.


But you can collect money for Features or major bugfixes as a third party.  
This model is vor sure easyer to setup, if you have some big company who  
put a load of money to it. In my mind is a collaboration with Source  
Forge. They rich a load of OpenOffice users.


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Re: Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

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Am .01.2017, 09:24 Uhr, schrieb Peter Kovacs <legi...@gmail.com>:


We see in Star citizen how mighty crowd can be.

Maybe a platform would be great where people can pledge money for  
something

they need.
If the needed budget is reached, payed developers implement it.
Or we could do it as a bonus system. You pledge money on a  
bug/enhancement,

if the bug gets included in the release the developers get a payout.


I will ask, on community, how other Apache projects deal with this  
problem. I have some similar things in mind.




This is just an idea. I am not sure if we can do business within the ASF  
or

if we have to found a 3rd party entity for this.


It definitely need a external instance.

If we have to go 3rd party I prefer a cooperative society as a legal  
form.

https://ec.europa.eu/growth/sectors/social-economy/cooperatives/european-cooperative-society_de

All the best
Peter

Raphael Bircher <rbircherapa...@gmail.com> schrieb am Sa., 14. Jan. 2017,
06:32:


Hi at all

If we compare AOO to day with the good old OpenOffice.org Project in  
2006,

we have now a tiny community. Well, we will be able to maintain the
project, make some bugfix and maybe some features too. But we will never
track down the work who is in our issue tracker.

But surprisingly we have still a very height download number. If you  
read

comments on social media you see, that many are really happy with the
programm. The problem is, tat this user simply are looked out from the
product development. The Enduser can only watch and pray.

While most bigger Apache Projects has a well working business model
behind, OpenOffice has nothing. In fact we never cared about it. I  
believe

it's rely time to change this. There are maybe at the moment no big
investors, but maybe more individuals who love the idea.

I know, we have to stick within the Apache rules, but this should be
possible. So let's collect ideas here.

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Community building: give our User a chance to contribute!

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Hi at all

If we compare AOO to day with the good old OpenOffice.org Project in 2006,  
we have now a tiny community. Well, we will be able to maintain the  
project, make some bugfix and maybe some features too. But we will never  
track down the work who is in our issue tracker.


But surprisingly we have still a very height download number. If you read  
comments on social media you see, that many are really happy with the  
programm. The problem is, tat this user simply are looked out from the  
product development. The Enduser can only watch and pray.


While most bigger Apache Projects has a well working business model  
behind, OpenOffice has nothing. In fact we never cared about it. I believe  
it's rely time to change this. There are maybe at the moment no big  
investors, but maybe more individuals who love the idea.


I know, we have to stick within the Apache rules, but this should be  
possible. So let's collect ideas here.


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Re: future of OpenOffice

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Hi Akos

Am .01.2017, 08:29 Uhr, schrieb Nagy Ákos :


Hi,

it is impossible, because the LO license is LGPL+MPL, that can't be
merged in OpenOffice.
As whole package yes, but you can ask individual contributors to put there  
code to Apache License 2.0.



The single way is that OpenOffice can merge in LibreOffice, more exactly
the OpenOffice.org is redirected to LibreOffice.org, because the OO code
is outdated compared with LO code.
How you know, the AOO Code is outdated? We maintain the code, as LO  
maintain there code. Please come with facts.



The LibreOffice brand now is more popular than OpenOffice, and some
other facts: LibreOffice have few hundred new features that OO don't
have, LibreOffice have a cloud suit (LibreOffice Online) etc.
You can compare the development trends:


Libre Office is maybe popular at the Linux world, and even there exist  
Users who kick LO and install OpenOffice. There are big features in LO who  
simply shipped over to LO. Native SVG Import. Mac OS X 64 Bit port, and  
the Sidebar for exemple. Many of the added Features are simply buddled  
Extensions.


More feature dosen't mean a better product. If you add a load of new bugs  
to the software in the same time, the user will not be happy.



https://www.openhub.net/p/openoffice (include webpage and wiki)
https://www.openhub.net/p/libreoffice (only application code)

Based on financial reports, TDF has income equal to Apache Foundation,
and TDF spend all money to LibreOffice, but Apache only a little part
from their income spend for OO.
Apache spend more or less only the infrastructure. TDF and ASF are not  
comparebel. ASF does not found individual projects at all. Not even the  
ApacheCon is founded over ASF budget.


Regards, Raphael




2017. 01. 10. 20:43 keltezéssel, suhail ansari írta:

Hi,

  My name is Suhail and I have some suggestions for OpenOffice  
community.


OpenOffice is very popular and it attracts large number of downloads.  
My suggestion is that Apache software foundation should talk to the  
document foundation and ask them to merge their foundation with Apache  
software foundation because Apache is world's biggest open source  
software foundation and if the document foundation joins Apache then we  
can have one product (OpenOffice). The ASF has many popular open source  
software products like hadoop, tomcat, OpenOffice etc. It will be good  
for both ASF and the document foundation to work together.



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Booked for FOSDEM

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Hi all

I've just booked my flight/hotel for FOSDEM. I will be there  
Saturday/Sunday the whole day. I arrive Friday night and fly back Monday  
morning. When is the best moment for a developer meetup?


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Re: Build Problems on Mac

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Hi Damian

I've done this. Here is the output: https://paste.apache.org/q6ly

Regards Raphael

Am .12.2016, 11:38 Uhr, schrieb Damjan Jovanovic <dam...@apache.org>:


Hi

What are you building? SVN trunk?

If so, we're doing big build changes and a lot will break, especially on
Mac, for which we don't have a buildbot and nobody builds regularly.

Are you willing to help get it working? If so, for starters, run "build"  
in

main/eventattacher and post the output.

Thank you
Damjan


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Hi all

I try to build on my mac, but I run intu a build error.
https://paste.apache.org/wo81

If someone has a hint for me...

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Build Problems on Mac

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I try to build on my mac, but I run intu a build error.  
https://paste.apache.org/wo81


If someone has a hint for me...

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Re: problems building trunk with options: --enable-pch // --enable-win-x64-shellext

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Hi Oliver,

I have to look twice, as I read your name. Do you get homesick? For all 
newer one. Oliver Brinzing was a engeneer at the SUN 
StarOffice/OpenOffice team.



Am 12/28/2016 um 5:34 PM schrieb Oliver Brinzing:

i started with aoo414 branch debug build and it worked.

then i tried to build from trunk, but failed, until i disabled 
"--enable-pch".


but build always stopped in module "extensions", source/activex/main,
already reported:
windows build breaks in module extensions - activex
https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=126996

i removed "--enable-win-x64-shellext", and build finished successful.
"enable-win-x64-shellext" seems to set BUILD_X64="TRUE".

i noticed, our win buildbots do not use "enable-win-x64-shellext" too.

my configuration:
./configure \
--with-dmake-url="http://sourceforge.net/projects/oooextras.mirror/files/dmake-4.12.tar.bz2; 
\

--with-ant-home="/cygdrive/c/build/ant" \
--with-mozilla-build="/cygdrive/c/build/mozilla-build" \
--with-frame-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
SDKs/Windows/v7.0" \
--with-psdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
SDKs/Windows/v7.0" \
--with-midl-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files/Microsoft 
SDKs/Windows/v7.0/bin" \
--with-cl-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual 
Studio 9.0/VC"  \
--with-mspdb-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual 
Studio 9.0/Common7/IDE" \
--with-asm-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft Visual 
Studio 9.0/VC/bin" \

--with-csc-path="/cygdrive/c/Windows/Microsoft.NET/Framework/v3.5" \
--with-jdk-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Java/jdk1.7.0"  \
--with-nsis-path="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/NSIS" \
--with-directx-home="/cygdrive/c/Program Files (x86)/Microsoft DirectX 
SDK (June 2010)" \

--with-atl-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/atl71" \
--with-atl-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/ATL/i386" \
--with-mfc-include-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/inc/mfc42" \
--with-mfc-lib-dir="/cygdrive/c/WinDDK/7600.16385.1/lib/Mfc/i386" \
--with-package-format="installed msi" \
--enable-category-b \
--enable-bundled-dictionaries \
--with-lang="de" \
--without-stlport \
--without-junit \
--enable-verbose \
--disable-odk \
--without-fonts \
--disable-online-update \
--disable-strip-solver \
--enable-symbols \
--enable-dbgutil \
--enable-crashdump \
--enable-debug
I'm a bit shocked, about the big list of configuration it needs to build 
from Windows.


Have a nice day
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Re: OpenOffice on KDE 4 issues

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Hi Damian, *


Am 12/24/2016 um 1:07 AM schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

On Thu, Dec 22, 2016 at 8:06 PM, Kay Schenk  wrote:


On 2016-12-20 20:28 (-0800), Damjan Jovanovic  wrote:

Hi

I am busy porting fpicker to gbuild, and needed to test its KDE 4 version,
and ended up fixing a bug there, and a VCL bug on KDE that stopped AOO from
starting.

However we still have this duplicate text issue in the menu, and dialog
corruption:




Any KDE users? Any thoughts?

Thank you
Damjan


Mostly, the KDE specific build option is no longer needed. Both KDE and Gnome use 
Freedesktop interfaces now. That interface via VCL may need some tweaking, I don't know. 
When I tried to build with "--enable-KDE" at least 2 years ago, it was a bit of 
a chore due to the overhead of installing the needed KDE development stuff. Better to 
just concentrate on Freedesktop and ditch the KDE specific code altogether I think.


Checking for usage of ENABLE_KDE and ENABLE_KDE4 on OpenGrok:
* main/cui/source/options/optgdlg.cxx and
main/filepickers/source/unx/kde4 deal with file pickers.
* main/shell/source/backends/kdebe reads KDE's network proxy settings,
the external mailer, source view font properties, etc.
* main/vcl/unx/kde4 deals with libQt's main loop integration, event
filtering, decides which controls to draw natively, matches fonts with
system fonts, input methods, etc.
* main/toolkit/source/layout/core/dialogbuttonhbox.cxx selects
ordering for dialog buttons

These are generally tasks that go beyond what Freedesktop provides.
Thanks for the good analystic work. Maybe this is exactly a problem for 
the dublicate menus. Maybe OpenOffice renders the manu twice. first with 
normal Linux and seccond with kde4. And finaly you have the text twice. 
I have to say, I'm not familiar with this source. It's just a srange 
idea from an "outside view."


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Re: Remove survey.openoffice.org (was [Homepage] SSL error on survey.openoffice.org)

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Hi Matthias, *

It's now https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/INFRA-13167 .

Regards Raphael


Am 12/23/2016 um 3:56 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Raphael,

Did you file an issue for that?
We could keep the subdomain. But the survey must be deactivated...

regards, Matthias

P.S.: I wish everyone on the list happy holidays!


Am 18.12.2016 um 13:14 schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Hi Matthias

Let's wait util Tuesday, so everyone has the Chance to react, if we
rich lazy consensus, i will fill the issue for the infra.

Regards, Raphael


Am 12/18/2016 um 12:52 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Raphael,

I removed the link to that page in the footer of our homepage.

However, the sub-domain should definitely be deactivated/removed.

So +1 from me.

regards, Matthias


Am 17.12.2016 um 00:37 schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Hi all,

Am 12/16/2016 um 11:54 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:


Hi Marcus,

Yes, that should be easy...

But who takes care of the misconfigured sub-domain?
If it is not used, it should be deleted. It still is available over
http...

I asked Infra. If we want to delete the subdomain, we have to fill an
issue for ASFInfra. But I think, first we should get lazy consensus.

Regards, Raphael

regards, Matthias


Am 16.12.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Marcus:

Am 12/13/2016 10:49 PM, schrieb Matthias Seidel:

On our Homepage there is a link "Website Feedback" in the footer.
It links to https://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/833861/lang-en

With Firefox I get: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
with Chrome: ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR

With http the page can be accessed, so it is an SSL error on that
sub-domain.

Is this something we can fix or should Infra be contacted?

I would delete the link as it is no longer used. So, the fix could be
easy. ;-)

Marcus

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Serf is outdate

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Hi at all

Apache Serf is outdate in the library. Moast probabily use the serf on 
the machine. Bit we should update it on the ext_source list too.


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Re: Added the new ASF logo to the install files

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Hi Matthias

Am 12/21/2016 um 1:14 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Raphael,

Looks good!
Did you create a bugzilla issue for that?

yea. https://bz.apache.org/ooo/show_bug.cgi?id=127253


I would then ask for release_blocker_4.1.4...
You realy think, it is a blocker? Ok, the changes ar more then trivial. 
but I don't think, it's a blocker. But anyway, we can take over it on 
the 4.1.4 Branch anyway. Actualy it's only in the trunk.


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Re: [BUILD] Building not possible due to missing java downloader

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Hi all

I ran into the same problem. But I have an Idea, where it commes from. I 
think, the download link from sernf is broken. I wrote about it on my 
very first days of my comeback here.


Regards, Raphael


Am 12/19/2016 um 4:57 AM schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

We are using the Perl downloader once again.

Have you rerun autoconf and configure?

Damjan

On Sun, Dec 18, 2016 at 1:23 PM, Marcus  wrote:

After some weeks I've updated my trunk repo and wahted to do a new build.
Now bootstrap tells me that it cannot find the AOOJavaDownloader and in
"main/solenv/" it's actaully no longer existing.

Sorry when I've missed a previous discussion about this. What has to be
changed in the build scripts?

Thanks

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Re: [Homepage] SSL error on survey.openoffice.org

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Hi Matthias, *


Am 12/18/2016 um 1:13 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

I understood Raphael in that way, that he added the new logo to the
(Windows) installer?

Yea, exactly to the Windows installer and the Mac dmg immages.


I changed the display size of the graphic to fit in the footer. The new
one looks really good!
Yea, they look realy good, much better than the old one. I can't wait to 
get some stickers for my laptop. I hope Rich bring some to the FOSDEM


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Re: Remove survey.openoffice.org (was [Homepage] SSL error on survey.openoffice.org)

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Hi Matthias

Let's wait util Tuesday, so everyone has the Chance to react, if we rich 
lazy consensus, i will fill the issue for the infra.


Regards, Raphael


Am 12/18/2016 um 12:52 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Raphael,

I removed the link to that page in the footer of our homepage.

However, the sub-domain should definitely be deactivated/removed.

So +1 from me.

regards, Matthias


Am 17.12.2016 um 00:37 schrieb Raphael Bircher:

Hi all,

Am 12/16/2016 um 11:54 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:


Hi Marcus,

Yes, that should be easy...

But who takes care of the misconfigured sub-domain?
If it is not used, it should be deleted. It still is available over
http...

I asked Infra. If we want to delete the subdomain, we have to fill an
issue for ASFInfra. But I think, first we should get lazy consensus.

Regards, Raphael

regards, Matthias


Am 16.12.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Marcus:

Am 12/13/2016 10:49 PM, schrieb Matthias Seidel:

On our Homepage there is a link "Website Feedback" in the footer.
It links to https://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/833861/lang-en

With Firefox I get: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
with Chrome: ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR

With http the page can be accessed, so it is an SSL error on that
sub-domain.

Is this something we can fix or should Infra be contacted?

I would delete the link as it is no longer used. So, the fix could be
easy. ;-)

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Added the new ASF logo to the install files

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Hi all

I've added the new ASF Logo to the Installer bitmap. I committed it as 
r1774839. I hope I forgot no one. If there is something wrong, I'm the 
person to hit. ;-)


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Re: SVN broken and unable to revert bad commit

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Hi Damjan


Am 12/17/2016 um 7:43 PM schrieb Damjan Jovanovic:

Hi

I committed a patch in 1774747 that makes AOO crash on startup on both
FreeBSD and Linux, but I am struggling to revert it in SVN. Every time
I try to commit:

svn: E175002: Commit failed (details follow):
svn: E175002: Unexpected server error 500 'Internal Server Error' on
'/repos/asf/!svn/me'
svn: E175002: Your commit message was left in a temporary file:

Any ideas?

According Infra LDAP have had a problem. It should be solved now, Try again.

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Re: [Homepage] SSL error on survey.openoffice.org

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Hi all,

Am 12/16/2016 um 11:54 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:


Hi Marcus,

Yes, that should be easy...

But who takes care of the misconfigured sub-domain?
If it is not used, it should be deleted. It still is available over http...
I asked Infra. If we want to delete the subdomain, we have to fill an 
issue for ASFInfra. But I think, first we should get lazy consensus.


Regards, Raphael


regards, Matthias


Am 16.12.2016 um 23:02 schrieb Marcus:

Am 12/13/2016 10:49 PM, schrieb Matthias Seidel:

On our Homepage there is a link "Website Feedback" in the footer.
It links to https://survey.openoffice.org/index.php/833861/lang-en

With Firefox I get: SSL_ERROR_RX_RECORD_TOO_LONG
with Chrome: ERR_SSL_PROTOCOL_ERROR

With http the page can be accessed, so it is an SSL error on that
sub-domain.

Is this something we can fix or should Infra be contacted?

I would delete the link as it is no longer used. So, the fix could be
easy. ;-)

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Re: [Homepage] SSL error on survey.openoffice.org

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Hi Matthias, Marcus and the rest,


Am 12/16/2016 um 11:54 PM schrieb Matthias Seidel:

Hi Marcus,

Yes, that should be easy...

But who takes care of the misconfigured sub-domain?
If it is not used, it should be deleted. It still is available over http...
We should contact Infra for this, thy take care about subdomain. I will 
ask them.


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