Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Thank you Peter and Zlatin, nice to hear from you after all this time :) -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Oops, forgot to mention my Twitter handle is "zlatinb".
Good luck!
On Fri, Jan 27, 2023 at 10:54 AM Zlatin Balevsky wrote:
> Hello everyone,
>
> My name is Zlatin Balevsky. I was involved in the development of Freenet
> sometime around 2001-2003. I've kept a relatively close eye on what's been
> going on since then.
>
> I want to say that I consider Ian Clarke / Sanity a great man, and even
> though I've never met him in person, I consider him a close friend. He
> gave me a very good professional recommendation when I was applying for my
> job at Lime Wire LLC (you may remember there was a file-sharing P2P program
> called Limewire).
>
> Therefore, I fully support Ian's decision to look for an "offensively
> racist" domain name. Ian, do not give up! It is of paramount importance
> that you offend as many people as possible! You DA MAN!
>
> Thank you for your attention.
> Zlatin Balevsky
>
> P.S. Since I like to practice what I preach, I have a tweet on my Twitter
> timeline where I expose some seriously evil things about the Invisible
> Internet Project ("I2P" for short). As you may already guess, I do my best
> to offend as many people as possible in the pastebin linked from that
> tweet. I'm not going to post a direct link to the tweet just so I don't
> trip some mailing list safeguard.
>
> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:38 PM craig mcgee <
> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
>
>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it
>> wasn't funny.
>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get
>> involved in the freenet dispute.
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> *From:* Russell Glenn
>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
>>
>> Mr. Ian Clarke,
>>
>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision
>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
>>
>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway.
>>
>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did
>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of
>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway.
>> Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
>>
>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism
>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will
>> NEVER be.
>>
>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
>> Millions of people died due to racism.
>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that.
>> Nobody is.
>>
>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have
>> produced on this list in the previous days.
>>
>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request
>> you to:
>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
>> * leave its board and
>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and
>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects.
>>
>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions
>> where power is wielded.
>>
>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still
>> constructed of active members of the community,
>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere
>> stated,
>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the
>> leading developer.
>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide.
>>
>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead
>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two.
>>
>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state
>> their support. We must stand united against racism.
>>
>> - Russell Glenn
>>
>>
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Hello everyone,
My name is Zlatin Balevsky. I was involved in the development of Freenet
sometime around 2001-2003. I've kept a relatively close eye on what's been
going on since then.
I want to say that I consider Ian Clarke / Sanity a great man, and even
though I've never met him in person, I consider him a close friend. He
gave me a very good professional recommendation when I was applying for my
job at Lime Wire LLC (you may remember there was a file-sharing P2P program
called Limewire).
Therefore, I fully support Ian's decision to look for an "offensively
racist" domain name. Ian, do not give up! It is of paramount importance
that you offend as many people as possible! You DA MAN!
Thank you for your attention.
Zlatin Balevsky
P.S. Since I like to practice what I preach, I have a tweet on my Twitter
timeline where I expose some seriously evil things about the Invisible
Internet Project ("I2P" for short). As you may already guess, I do my best
to offend as many people as possible in the pastebin linked from that
tweet. I'm not going to post a direct link to the tweet just so I don't
trip some mailing list safeguard.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:38 PM craig mcgee <
craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote:
> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it
> wasn't funny.
> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get
> involved in the freenet dispute.
>
> - Original Message -
> *From:* Russell Glenn
> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
>
> Mr. Ian Clarke,
>
> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision
> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
>
> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway.
>
> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did
> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of
> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway.
> Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
>
> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism
> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will
> NEVER be.
>
> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
> Millions of people died due to racism.
> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that.
> Nobody is.
>
> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have
> produced on this list in the previous days.
>
> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request
> you to:
> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
> * leave its board and
> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and
> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects.
>
> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions
> where power is wielded.
>
> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still
> constructed of active members of the community,
> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere
> stated,
> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the
> leading developer.
> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide.
>
> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead
> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two.
>
> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state
> their support. We must stand united against racism.
>
> - Russell Glenn
>
>
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 12:34:51PM -0600, Ian Clarke wrote: > Thank you, Hakimi :) > > I don't think anyone in this thread seriously thinks I'm a racist. There is > just a certain type of person who thinks they can get what they want by > throwing false accusations. > > These people are toxic and I have zero tolerance for them. They're bullies > and like most bullies - they're cowards who run away when someone stands up > to them. I think more and more people are slowly learning this. I've been following Freenet for many, many, years. I think you're 100% right on this. Don't let this toxicity discourage you. -- https://petertodd.org 'peter'[:-1]@petertodd.org signature.asc Description: PGP signature
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Thank you, Hakimi :) I don't think anyone in this thread seriously thinks I'm a racist. There is just a certain type of person who thinks they can get what they want by throwing false accusations. These people are toxic and I have zero tolerance for them. They're bullies and like most bullies - they're cowards who run away when someone stands up to them. I think more and more people are slowly learning this. Thank you again for your support. On Thu, Jan 26, 2023 at 10:26 AM Hakimi Abdul Jabar < hakimibinabduljabar1...@gmail.com> wrote: > Ladies & Gentlemen, > > I've been working on FREENET dev etc. for more than 2 DECADES ever since > Ian bravely made the Project objectives close to our hearts and minds. > > For more than 2 Decades now, I have never seen any racist remark from the > Founder-Developer, Ian Clarke on the dev platform and on Facebook and any > other socmedia. > > We've got numerous contributors of ethnic background right here and racial > overtones are Non-Existent. Thanks partly to Ian. We NEVER see Ian > discriminatively making remarks or by prejudicial actions that borders on > Racism for more than 20 years now. > > Let us continue with the same spirit of camaraderie and eager anticipation > that have been pushing us into the doors of success. I still have the same > passion for Freenet ever since I graduated with my law degree from Univ. of > Wolverhampton in 1998 and was studying to be a full-fledged lawyer. Ian > who had graduated from varsity around the same time who had came out with > this wonderful and yet fanciful IDEA is amazing! LMAO > > Just remember this most important fact! Unlike the PayPal and Google devs, > we're not Billionaires! Hahahahaha! > > For FREENET fellas! > > On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 01:09, Ian Clarke wrote: > >> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one >> who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >> >> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like >> it, I suggest you touch grass. >> >> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, >>> it wasn't funny. >>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >>> involved in the freenet dispute. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Russell Glenn >>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>> >>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>> >>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>> >>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. >>> >>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>> Proof: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>> >>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>> NEVER be. >>> >>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. >>> Nobody is. >>> >>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have >>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>> >>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>> you to: >>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >>> * leave its board and >>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and >>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >>> >>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions >>> where power is wielded. >>> >>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >>> constructed of active members of the community, >>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere >>> stated, >>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >>> leading developer. >>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >>> >>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead >>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >>> >>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >>> their support. We must stand united against racism. >>> >>> - Russell Glenn >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenet.org >> > -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email:
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Ladies & Gentlemen, I've been working on FREENET dev etc. for more than 2 DECADES ever since Ian bravely made the Project objectives close to our hearts and minds. For more than 2 Decades now, I have never seen any racist remark from the Founder-Developer, Ian Clarke on the dev platform and on Facebook and any other socmedia. We've got numerous contributors of ethnic background right here and racial overtones are Non-Existent. Thanks partly to Ian. We NEVER see Ian discriminatively making remarks or by prejudicial actions that borders on Racism for more than 20 years now. Let us continue with the same spirit of camaraderie and eager anticipation that have been pushing us into the doors of success. I still have the same passion for Freenet ever since I graduated with my law degree from Univ. of Wolverhampton in 1998 and was studying to be a full-fledged lawyer. Ian who had graduated from varsity around the same time who had came out with this wonderful and yet fanciful IDEA is amazing! LMAO Just remember this most important fact! Unlike the PayPal and Google devs, we're not Billionaires! Hahahahaha! For FREENET fellas! On Mon, 23 Jan 2023 at 01:09, Ian Clarke wrote: > Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one > who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. > > I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like it, > I suggest you touch grass. > > I'm going to start blocking you idiots. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < > craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > >> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it >> wasn't funny. >> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >> involved in the freenet dispute. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Russell Glenn >> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >> >> Mr. Ian Clarke, >> >> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >> >> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. >> >> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >> Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >> >> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >> NEVER be. >> >> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >> Millions of people died due to racism. >> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. >> Nobody is. >> >> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have >> produced on this list in the previous days. >> >> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >> you to: >> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >> * leave its board and >> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and >> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >> >> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions >> where power is wielded. >> >> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >> constructed of active members of the community, >> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere >> stated, >> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >> leading developer. >> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >> >> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead >> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >> >> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >> their support. We must stand united against racism. >> >> - Russell Glenn >> >> > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org >
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Child. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 6:16 PM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > i'm sure "truth social" would be acceptable. maybe "oan" too... > > - Original Message - > *From:* DJ Amireh > *To:* devl@freenetproject.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:35 PM > *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list > > So I'm not allowed to cite articles from the internet, I'm not allowed to > cite articles from peer reviewed journals or universities, what am I > allowed to cite? Is there any evidence you would accept that would change > your mind? If there is literally no evidence that someone could bring to > bear to challenge your belief I would have to say that is the definition of > closed minded. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:30 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > >> Trusting academic papers is even worse than trusting Wikipedia >> <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grievance_studies_affair>, have you not >> been paying attention? >> >> Anyway, I'm not trying to persuade you. I don't have time to pick apart >> your gish gallop of stuff you just googled. >> >> If you believe in Freenet's mission then please stick around, but you'll >> need to develop a bit more tolerance for diversity of thought. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:22 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >> >>> I would suggest that to keep the argument above board we should be >>> relying on academic sources. Here is my first source: "Cultural Marxism and >>> the Radical Right" published in the anthology "The Post-War Anglo-American >>> Far Right" by the University of Northampton UK. Abstract: "This essay >>> examines the conspiratorial dynamics of the term Cultural Marxism, which >>> has been deployed by a number of extreme right activists. Jamin parses this >>> discourse from its origins in the Free Congress Foundation, to its uptake >>> by the high-profile American politician Pat Buchanan, to its eventual >>> employment by Anders Breivik. As well as in Anglophone settings such as >>> Breivik’s manifesto, analysis also highlights that the concept has found a >>> relevance within the British extreme right. Figures including Nick Griffin >>> have drawn on this terminology, a discourse offering a useful crutch to >>> support various political arguments. Jamin’s conclusions highlight the >>> nebulous nature of this discourse, allowing a variety of protagonists to >>> use it to mobilize a range of passions." >>> https://books.google.com/books?id=VbLSBAAAQBAJ >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:11 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> Do you seriously think Wikipedia is a reliable source on anything >>>> remotely related to woke ideology? That's hilarious. >>>> >>>> The term "Cultural Marxism" is used by many Jewish people, and when >>>> they use it, they aren't talking about a far-right ideology. They're >>>> talking about a far-left ideology. >>>> >>>> What you're talking about is a form of terminological >>>> guilt-by-association, a very dishonest way to try to discredit someone >>>> simply by them *mentioning the name of an ideology*. >>>> >>>> It's Orwellian. Try to diversify your news sources, you're living in a >>>> bubble. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:01 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >>>> >>>>> Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using >>>>> the terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may >>>>> enlighten you: >>>>> https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I >>>>> believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the >>>>> downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of >>>>> "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that >>>>> Western >>>>> Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the >>>>> basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western >>>>> culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The >>>>> conspiracy theory misrep
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i'm sure "truth social" would be acceptable. maybe "oan" too... - Original Message - From: DJ Amireh To: devl@freenetproject.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 11:35 PM Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list So I'm not allowed to cite articles from the internet, I'm not allowed to cite articles from peer reviewed journals or universities, what am I allowed to cite? Is there any evidence you would accept that would change your mind? If there is literally no evidence that someone could bring to bear to challenge your belief I would have to say that is the definition of closed minded. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:30 PM Ian Clarke wrote: Trusting academic papers is even worse than trusting Wikipedia, have you not been paying attention? Anyway, I'm not trying to persuade you. I don't have time to pick apart your gish gallop of stuff you just googled. If you believe in Freenet's mission then please stick around, but you'll need to develop a bit more tolerance for diversity of thought. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:22 PM DJ Amireh wrote: I would suggest that to keep the argument above board we should be relying on academic sources. Here is my first source: "Cultural Marxism and the Radical Right" published in the anthology "The Post-War Anglo-American Far Right" by the University of Northampton UK. Abstract: "This essay examines the conspiratorial dynamics of the term Cultural Marxism, which has been deployed by a number of extreme right activists. Jamin parses this discourse from its origins in the Free Congress Foundation, to its uptake by the high-profile American politician Pat Buchanan, to its eventual employment by Anders Breivik. As well as in Anglophone settings such as Breivik’s manifesto, analysis also highlights that the concept has found a relevance within the British extreme right. Figures including Nick Griffin have drawn on this terminology, a discourse offering a useful crutch to support various political arguments. Jamin’s conclusions highlight the nebulous nature of this discourse, allowing a variety of protagonists to use it to mobilize a range of passions." https://books.google.com/books?id=VbLSBAAAQBAJ On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 6:11 PM Ian Clarke wrote: Do you seriously think Wikipedia is a reliable source on anything remotely related to woke ideology? That's hilarious. The term "Cultural Marxism" is used by many Jewish people, and when they use it, they aren't talking about a far-right ideology. They're talking about a far-left ideology. What you're talking about is a form of terminological guilt-by-association, a very dishonest way to try to discredit someone simply by them mentioning the name of an ideology. It's Orwellian. Try to diversify your news sources, you're living in a bubble. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:01 PM DJ Amireh wrote: Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using the terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may enlighten you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of "neomarxism" : "The term "Cultural Marxism" refers to a far-right antisemitic conspiracy theory which claims that Western Marxism is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School as being responsible for modern progressive movements, identity politics, and political correctness, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion of Western society via a planned culture war that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of corruption, far more dangerous. Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corpora
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s://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory >>>>>>> I believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming >>>>>>> the >>>>>>> downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of >>>>>>> "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims >>>>>>> that Western Marxism >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis of >>>>>>> continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western >>>>>>> culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The >>>>>>> conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being >>>>>>> responsible for modern progressive >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, >>>>>>> identity >>>>>>> politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and >>>>>>> political >>>>>>> correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, >>>>>>> claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via >>>>>>> a planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that >>>>>>> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >>>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and >>>>>>> seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if >>>>>>>> you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government >>>>>>>> or private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do >>>>>>>> with fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>>>>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if >>>>>>>> it would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>>>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>>>>>> shareholders >>>>>>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>>>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>>>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any >>>>>>>>> opposition >>>>>>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - >>>>>>>>>> in the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>>>>&
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://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims >>>>>> that Western Marxism >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis of >>>>>> continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western >>>>>> culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The >>>>>> conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being >>>>>> responsible for modern progressive >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, >>>>>> identity >>>>>> politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and >>>>>> political >>>>>> correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, >>>>>> claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via >>>>>> a planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that >>>>>> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >>>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and >>>>>> seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if >>>>>>> you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government >>>>>>> or private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do >>>>>>> with fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>>>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>>>>>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>>>>> shareholders >>>>>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any >>>>>>>> opposition >>>>>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - >>>>>>>>> in the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> think! >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>>>>>
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ttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity >>>>> politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and >>>>> political >>>>> correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, >>>>> claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a >>>>> planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that >>>>> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >>>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and >>>>> seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if >>>>>> you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>>>>> >>>>>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government >>>>>> or private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>>>>> >>>>>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do >>>>>> with fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>>>> >>>>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>>>>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>>>> allowed >>>>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>>>> shareholders >>>>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any >>>>>>> opposition >>>>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - >>>>>>>> in the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>>>>> about >>>>>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>>>>> think! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as >>>>>>>>> part of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young >>>>>>>>> age. >>>>>>>>> Even as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or >>>>>>>>> conservatives. I think they each bring
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war> that >>>> undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism >>>> <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and >>>> seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if >>>>> you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >>>>> >>>>> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or >>>>> private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >>>>> >>>>> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with >>>>> fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>>> >>>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>>>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>>> allowed >>>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>>> shareholders >>>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition >>>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>>>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>>>> about >>>>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>>>> think! >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as >>>>>>>> part of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young >>>>>>>> age. >>>>>>>> Even as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or >>>>>>>> conservatives. I think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>>>>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already >>>>>>>> done >>>>>>>> incredible damage. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote >>>>>>>> me on that. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On
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;> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with >>>> fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >>>> corruption, far more dangerous. >>>> >>>> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >>>> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >>>> >>>>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of >>>>> corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not >>>>> allowed >>>>> to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and >>>>> shareholders >>>>> "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a >>>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition >>>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>>> >>>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>>> about >>>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>>> think! >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>>> >>>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part >>>>>>> of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. >>>>>>> Even >>>>>>> as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or >>>>>>> conservatives. I think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>>>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already >>>>>>> done >>>>>>> incredible damage. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me >>>>>>> on that. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" >>>>>>>> is perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>>>>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like >>>>>>>> that. And >>>>>>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally >>>>>>>> as a >>>>>>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>>>>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The >>>>>>>> next >>>>>>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>>>>>> "virtue signalling" is t
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and if you don't like it you're a >>>> "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political >>>> buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition >>>> to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>>> >>>>> Here is an excellent book >>>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>>> about >>>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>>> think! >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>>> >>>>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part >>>>>> of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even >>>>>> as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>>>> >>>>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. >>>>>> I think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>>>> >>>>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>>>> >>>>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already >>>>>> done >>>>>> incredible damage. >>>>>> >>>>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me >>>>>> on that. >>>>>> >>>>>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" >>>>>>> is perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>>>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. >>>>>>> And >>>>>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as >>>>>>> a >>>>>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>>>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The >>>>>>> next >>>>>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>>>>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>>>>>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in >>>>>>> high >>>>>>> regards. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it >>>>>>>> funny. I'm not seeking your approval. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>>>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ian, >>>>>>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>>>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted >>>>>>>>> to >>>>>>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it
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Do you seriously think Wikipedia is a reliable source on anything remotely related to woke ideology? That's hilarious. The term "Cultural Marxism" is used by many Jewish people, and when they use it, they aren't talking about a far-right ideology. They're talking about a far-left ideology. What you're talking about is a form of terminological guilt-by-association, a very dishonest way to try to discredit someone simply by them *mentioning the name of an ideology*. It's Orwellian. Try to diversify your news sources, you're living in a bubble. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 5:01 PM DJ Amireh wrote: > Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using the > terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may > enlighten you: > https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I > believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the > downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of > "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that Western > Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis of > continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The conspiracy theory > misrepresents the Frankfurt School > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being responsible > for modern progressive > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity > politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and political > correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, > claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a > planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that > undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism > <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and seeks > to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > >> I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you >> don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. >> >> I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or >> private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. >> >> Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with >> fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of >> corruption, far more dangerous. >> >> Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it >> would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >> >>> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations >>> and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be >>> spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know >>> what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern >>> neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being >>> thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate >>> takeover of speech and thought. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in >>>> the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>>> >>>> Here is an excellent book >>>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>>> about >>>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>>> think! >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 2
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Sounds like you are unfamiliar with the contemporary discussion using the terms you are bandying about. Heres an encyclopedia article that may enlighten you: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cultural_Marxism_conspiracy_theory I believe the first paragraph fits what you are saying to a T, claiming the downfall of western civilization and accusing your opponents of "neomarxism" : "The term "*Cultural Marxism*" refers to a far-right <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Far-right> antisemitic <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antisemitic> conspiracy theory <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Conspiracy_theory> which claims that Western Marxism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_Marxism> is the basis of continuing academic and intellectual efforts to subvert Western culture <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Western_culture>. The conspiracy theory misrepresents the Frankfurt School <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frankfurt_School> as being responsible for modern progressive <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Progressive_politics> movements, identity politics <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Identity_politics>, and political correctness <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_correctness>, claiming there is an ongoing and intentional subversion <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Subversion> of Western society via a planned culture war <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Culture_war> that undermines the Christian values of traditionalist conservatism <https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traditionalist_conservatism> and seeks to replace them with the culturally liberal values of the 1960s." On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:48 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you > don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. > > I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or > private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. > > Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with > fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of > corruption, far more dangerous. > > Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it would > help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: > >> The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations >> and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be >> spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know >> what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern >> neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being >> thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate >> takeover of speech and thought. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >> >>> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the >>> US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >>> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >>> >>> Here is an excellent book >>> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >>> about >>> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >>> think! >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>>> what is so wrong with that? >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>> >>>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of >>>> a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a >>>> child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>>> >>>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I >>>> think they each bring a critical perspective. >>>> >>>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>>> >>>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done >>>> incredible damage. >>>> >>>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You c
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UK party politics is definitely off-topic for this list. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:54 PM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > I didnt say thats what free speech is, I said that's what it seems to be, > that's what our government in the UK is like anyway. demonizing everyone > from refugees to disabled people, but then crying wolf every time someone > throws something vaguely nasty like "tory scum" back at them, after they've > dished it out. > > yes, I know exactly what freenet is, surely you've seen my many emails > about accessibility of the project, particularly freemail and the captchas. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ian Clarke > *To:* devl@freenetproject.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:50 PM > *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:48 PM craig mcgee < > craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > >> "free speech" these days also seems to be, unfortunately, anything that >> demeans minorities, but anything to criticise those demeaning minorities is >> obviously not free speech and should be demonized immediately. >> > > No, that's definitely not what free speech is, don't be silly. > > If you hate free speech so much, why are you on earth are you on this > mailing list? Do you know what Freenet is? > > So weird. > > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org > > -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
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I didnt say thats what free speech is, I said that's what it seems to be, that's what our government in the UK is like anyway. demonizing everyone from refugees to disabled people, but then crying wolf every time someone throws something vaguely nasty like "tory scum" back at them, after they've dished it out. yes, I know exactly what freenet is, surely you've seen my many emails about accessibility of the project, particularly freemail and the captchas. - Original Message - From: Ian Clarke To: devl@freenetproject.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:50 PM Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:48 PM craig mcgee wrote: "free speech" these days also seems to be, unfortunately, anything that demeans minorities, but anything to criticise those demeaning minorities is obviously not free speech and should be demonized immediately. No, that's definitely not what free speech is, don't be silly. If you hate free speech so much, why are you on earth are you on this mailing list? Do you know what Freenet is? So weird. -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:48 PM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > "free speech" these days also seems to be, unfortunately, anything that > demeans minorities, but anything to criticise those demeaning minorities is > obviously not free speech and should be demonized immediately. > No, that's definitely not what free speech is, don't be silly. If you hate free speech so much, why are you on earth are you on this mailing list? Do you know what Freenet is? So weird. -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I understand the exact meaning of the terms I've been using, but if you don't you can just admit that. I'm happy to explain. I'm just as opposed to corruption as you are, whether in government or private organizations. as I said, I respect left-liberals. Postmodern neomarxism, aka the woke-mind-virus, has nothing to do with fixing any of that, on the contrary it's a whole different kind of corruption, far more dangerous. Is this all completely new to you? I can recommend a few books if it would help. Do you live in an English-speaking country? On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:42 PM DJ Amireh wrote: > The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations > and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be > spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know > what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern > neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being > thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate > takeover of speech and thought. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > >> That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the >> US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative >> <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. >> >> Here is an excellent book >> <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> >> about >> it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you >> think! >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < >> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> I take woke to mean definition 1. >>> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >>> what is so wrong with that? >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>> >>> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of >>> a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a >>> child I instantly recognized it as evil. >>> >>> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I >>> think they each bring a critical perspective. >>> >>> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >>> >>> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >>> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done >>> incredible damage. >>> >>> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on >>> that. >>> >>> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >>> >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >>> >>>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is >>>> perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And >>>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a >>>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next >>>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in high >>>> regards. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>>> >>>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. >>>>> I'm not seeking your approval. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Ian, >>>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to >>>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. >>>>>> >>>>>> - Original Message - >>>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>&
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
"free speech" these days also seems to be, unfortunately, anything that demeans
minorities, but anything to criticise those demeaning minorities is obviously
not free speech and should be demonized immediately.
- Original Message -
From: DJ Amireh
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 10:42 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations and
shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be spoken. We
allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know what's best
for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern neomarxist." Sad
to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being thrown around to label,
demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate takeover of speech and
thought.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote:
That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the US
everyone views "woke" as a pejorative.
Here is an excellent book about it by a Columbia University linguistics
professor. Let me know what you think!
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee
wrote:
I take woke to mean definition 1.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
what is so wrong with that?
- Original Message -
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of
a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a
child I instantly recognized it as evil.
I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I
think they each bring a critical perspective.
I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left.
The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the
greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done
incredible damage.
Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on
that.
Thanks for your support on the name change :)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote:
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is
perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version.
It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize
with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the
next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this
"anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or
anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt
right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone
representing a project that I hold in high regards.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote:
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it
funny. I'm not seeking your approval.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
Ian,
I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it
funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state
my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that.
- Original Message -
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist,
particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place.
I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you
don't like it, I suggest you touch grass.
I'm going to start blocking you idiots.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made.
Joke or not, it wasn't funny.
but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish
to get involved in the freenet dispute.
- Original Message -
From: Russell Glenn
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Mr. Ian Clarke,
when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
"freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
The biggest threat to free speech today is the take over of corporations and shareholders as the arbiters of what is and is not allowed to be spoken. We allow this to happen because corporations and shareholders "know what's best for the economy" and if you don't like it you're a "postmodern neomarxist." Sad to see these thought stopping political buzzwords being thrown around to label, demean and dismiss any opposition to the corporate takeover of speech and thought. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 5:13 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the > US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative > <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. > > Here is an excellent book > <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> > about > it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you > think! > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < > craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > >> I take woke to mean definition 1. >> https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke >> what is so wrong with that? >> >> - Original Message ----- >> *From:* Ian Clarke >> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >> >> I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of a >> small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a >> child I instantly recognized it as evil. >> >> I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I >> think they each bring a critical perspective. >> >> I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. >> >> The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the >> greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done >> incredible damage. >> >> Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on >> that. >> >> Thanks for your support on the name change :) >> >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote: >> >>> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is >>> perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >>> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And >>> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a >>> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >>> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next >>> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >>> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >>> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in high >>> regards. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >>> >>>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. >>>> I'm not seeking your approval. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Ian, >>>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to >>>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>> >>>>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly >>>>> one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >>>>> >>>>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like >>>>> it, I suggest you touch grass. >>>>> >>>>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>>>> >>>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or >>>>>> not, it wasn't funny. >>>>>> but this is as far
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
That's why I clarified with postmodern neomarxism, although FYI - in the US everyone views "woke" as a pejorative <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=adPXDTvADD0>. Here is an excellent book <https://www.amazon.com/Woke-Racism-Religion-Betrayed-America-ebook/dp/B095JLK96B> about it by a Columbia University linguistics professor. Let me know what you think! On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 4:05 PM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > I take woke to mean definition 1. > https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke > what is so wrong with that? > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ian Clarke > *To:* devl@freenetproject.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM > *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list > > I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of a > small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a > child I instantly recognized it as evil. > > I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I > think they each bring a critical perspective. > > I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. > > The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the greatest > threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done > incredible damage. > > Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on > that. > > Thanks for your support on the name change :) > > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote: > >> I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is >> perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic >> version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And >> I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a >> member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was >> disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next >> generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of >> "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was >> disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in high >> regards. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: >> >>> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm >>> not seeking your approval. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> Ian, >>>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it >>>> funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to >>>> state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>> >>>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly >>>> one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >>>> >>>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like >>>> it, I suggest you touch grass. >>>> >>>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>>> >>>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>>> >>>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, >>>>> it wasn't funny. >>>>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >>>>> involved in the freenet dispute. >>>>> >>>>> - Original Message - >>>>> *From:* Russell Glenn >>>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>>>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>>> >>>>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>>>> >>>>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>>>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>>>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>>>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>>>> >>>>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain name
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I take woke to mean definition 1.
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/woke
what is so wrong with that?
- Original Message -
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:55 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of a
small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a child
I instantly recognized it as evil.
I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I think
they each bring a critical perspective.
I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left.
The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the greatest
threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done incredible
damage.
Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on that.
Thanks for your support on the name change :)
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote:
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is
perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version.
It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize
with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the
next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this
"anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or
anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt
right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone
representing a project that I hold in high regards.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote:
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm
not seeking your approval.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
Ian,
I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it
funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state
my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that.
- Original Message -
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly
one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place.
I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't
like it, I suggest you touch grass.
I'm going to start blocking you idiots.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or
not, it wasn't funny.
but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to
get involved in the freenet dispute.
- Original Message -
From: Russell Glenn
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Mr. Ian Clarke,
when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
"freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision
to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
> Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken
anyway.
Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did
not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of
this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway.
Proof:
https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism
is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will
NEVER be.
And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
Millions of people died due to racism.
You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about
that.
Nobody is.
And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you
have
produced on this list in the previous days.
Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request
you to:
* immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
* leave its board and
* transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team
and
* transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
* cease to use the name "Fre
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I am a classical liberal and a social libertarian. I grew up as part of a small religious minority and saw ethnic bigotry at a young age. Even as a child I instantly recognized it as evil. I have no problem with left liberals, libertarians, or conservatives. I think they each bring a critical perspective. I hate identitarianism in all its forms, on the right and the left. The woke mind virus, more formally postmodern neo-marxism, is the greatest threat to civilization today. It is a cancer that has already done incredible damage. Anyone who has a problem with that can touch grass. You can quote me on that. Thanks for your support on the name change :) On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 3:36 PM DJ Amireh wrote: > I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is > perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic > version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And > I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a > member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was > disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next > generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of > "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was > disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in high > regards. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > >> Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm >> not seeking your approval. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < >> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> Ian, >>> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny, >>> that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my >>> opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Ian Clarke >>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >>> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>> >>> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one >>> who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >>> >>> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like >>> it, I suggest you touch grass. >>> >>> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >>> >>> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >>> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >>> >>>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, >>>> it wasn't funny. >>>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >>>> involved in the freenet dispute. >>>> >>>> - Original Message - >>>> *From:* Russell Glenn >>>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>>> >>>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>>> >>>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>>> >>>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. >>>> >>>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>>> Proof: >>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>>> >>>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>>> NEVER be. >>>> >>>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. >>>> Nobody is. >>>> >>>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have >>>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>>> >>>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>>>
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
wholeheartedly agree with you, DJ. was sympathetic to the harassment Ian
mentioned, was disappointed with what I felt was a dismissive tone taken to
racism concerns. I get Ian's comment regarding racist domains was just meant as
a joke, however when Russel sent his email regarding how he felt about it I
felt it was right to respond to state that I didn't find the joke particularly
funny. I wasnt so much offended by it, as I realized it was a joke and not
actually racism, just didnt find it amusing and wanted to clarify that I am
against racism. Ian's follow up was I felt, disappointing. If I am thrown from
this list for stating my opinion and disagreeing with Ian, then so be it.
- Original Message -
From: DJ Amireh
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 9:36 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is
perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version.
It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize
with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the
next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this
"anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or
anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt
right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone
representing a project that I hold in high regards.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote:
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm
not seeking your approval.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
Ian,
I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny,
that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my
opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that.
- Original Message -
From: Ian Clarke
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly
one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place.
I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like
it, I suggest you touch grass.
I'm going to start blocking you idiots.
On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee
wrote:
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or
not, it wasn't funny.
but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get
involved in the freenet dispute.
- Original Message -
From: Russell Glenn
To: devl@freenetproject.org
Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM
Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Mr. Ian Clarke,
when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain,
"freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision
to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted
on "freenetproject.org", you said the following:
> Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken
anyway.
Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did
not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of
this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway.
Proof:
https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html
As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism
is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will
NEVER be.
And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke:
Millions of people died due to racism.
You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about
that.
Nobody is.
And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you
have
produced on this list in the previous days.
Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request
you to:
* immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and
* leave its board and
* transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team
and
* transfer ownership of all other related accounts and
* cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects.
Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into
positions
where power is wielded.
As you have failed to prove that the board of the pr
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I agreed with Ian on the name change and I think "Freenet classic" is perfectly acceptable and indicates exactly what it is -- the classic version. It's not saying it's outdated or legacy or anything like that. And I sympathize with Ian's frustration dealing with this but personally as a member of "the next generation" that Ian is concerned about I was disappointed to see this "anti woke rhetoric" being thrown around. The next generation is not pro or anti woke but throwing around accusations of "virtue signalling" is typical alt right rhetoric and something I was disappointed to see from someone representing a project that I hold in high regards. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023, 12:16 PM Ian Clarke wrote: > Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm > not seeking your approval. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < > craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > >> Ian, >> I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny, >> that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my >> opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Ian Clarke >> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM >> *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >> >> Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one >> who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. >> >> I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like >> it, I suggest you touch grass. >> >> I'm going to start blocking you idiots. >> >> On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < >> craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: >> >>> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, >>> it wasn't funny. >>> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >>> involved in the freenet dispute. >>> >>> - Original Message - >>> *From:* Russell Glenn >>> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >>> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >>> >>> Mr. Ian Clarke, >>> >>> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >>> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >>> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >>> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >>> >>> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. >>> >>> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >>> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >>> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >>> Proof: >>> https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >>> >>> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >>> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >>> NEVER be. >>> >>> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >>> Millions of people died due to racism. >>> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. >>> Nobody is. >>> >>> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have >>> produced on this list in the previous days. >>> >>> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >>> you to: >>> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >>> * leave its board and >>> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and >>> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >>> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >>> >>> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions >>> where power is wielded. >>> >>> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >>> constructed of active members of the community, >>> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere >>> stated, >>> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >>> leading developer. >>> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >>> >>> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead >>> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >>> >>> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >>> their support. We must stand united against racism. >>> >>> - Russell Glenn >>> >>> >> >> -- >> Ian Clarke >> Founder, The Freenet Project >> Email: i...@freenet.org >> >> > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org >
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Woke virtue signaling noted. I don't care whether you find it funny. I'm not seeking your approval. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 11:12 AM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > Ian, > I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny, > that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my > opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Ian Clarke > *To:* devl@freenetproject.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM > *Subject:* Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list > > Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one > who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. > > I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like it, > I suggest you touch grass. > > I'm going to start blocking you idiots. > > On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < > craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > >> I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it >> wasn't funny. >> but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get >> involved in the freenet dispute. >> >> - Original Message - >> *From:* Russell Glenn >> *To:* devl@freenetproject.org >> *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM >> *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list >> >> Mr. Ian Clarke, >> >> when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, >> "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision >> to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted >> on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: >> >> > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. >> >> Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did >> not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of >> this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. >> Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html >> >> As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism >> is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will >> NEVER be. >> >> And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: >> Millions of people died due to racism. >> You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. >> Nobody is. >> >> And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have >> produced on this list in the previous days. >> >> Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request >> you to: >> * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and >> * leave its board and >> * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and >> * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and >> * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. >> >> Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions >> where power is wielded. >> >> As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still >> constructed of active members of the community, >> and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere >> stated, >> I join those who request leadership is transferred to the >> leading developer. >> To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. >> >> Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead >> developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. >> >> Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state >> their support. We must stand united against racism. >> >> - Russell Glenn >> >> > > -- > Ian Clarke > Founder, The Freenet Project > Email: i...@freenet.org > > -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Ian, I didn't say your statement was racist, just that I didnt find it funny, that's all. I gathered it was made as a joke, but just wanted to state my opposition to racism, as russel requested, and leave it at that. - Original Message - From: Ian Clarke To: devl@freenetproject.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 5:07 PM Subject: Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like it, I suggest you touch grass. I'm going to start blocking you idiots. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee wrote: I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it wasn't funny. but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get involved in the freenet dispute. - Original Message - From: Russell Glenn To: devl@freenetproject.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list Mr. Ian Clarke, when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will NEVER be. And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: Millions of people died due to racism. You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. Nobody is. And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have produced on this list in the previous days. Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request you to: * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and * leave its board and * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions where power is wielded. As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still constructed of active members of the community, and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere stated, I join those who request leadership is transferred to the leading developer. To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state their support. We must stand united against racism. - Russell Glenn -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
Only a midwit idiot would think that remark was racist, particularly one who brought racism into the conversation in the first place. I thought it was funny, and that's all that matters. If you don't like it, I suggest you touch grass. I'm going to start blocking you idiots. On Sun, Jan 22, 2023 at 9:38 AM craig mcgee < craig.mc...@guilt-management.org.uk> wrote: > I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it > wasn't funny. > but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get > involved in the freenet dispute. > > - Original Message - > *From:* Russell Glenn > *To:* devl@freenetproject.org > *Sent:* Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM > *Subject:* Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list > > Mr. Ian Clarke, > > when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, > "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision > to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted > on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: > > > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. > > Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did > not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of > this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. > Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html > > As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism > is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will > NEVER be. > > And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: > Millions of people died due to racism. > You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. > Nobody is. > > And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have > produced on this list in the previous days. > > Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request > you to: > * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and > * leave its board and > * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and > * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and > * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. > > Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions > where power is wielded. > > As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still > constructed of active members of the community, > and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere > stated, > I join those who request leadership is transferred to the > leading developer. > To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. > > Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead > developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. > > Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state > their support. We must stand united against racism. > > - Russell Glenn > > -- Ian Clarke Founder, The Freenet Project Email: i...@freenet.org
Re: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list
I have to admit I was confused by the statement Ian made. Joke or not, it wasn't funny. but this is as far as I will go on the matter as I don't wish to get involved in the freenet dispute. - Original Message - From: Russell Glenn To: devl@freenetproject.org Sent: Sunday, January 22, 2023 3:33 PM Subject: Racist statement of Ian Clarke on this list Mr. Ian Clarke, when discussing your acquisition of a secondary domain, "freenet.org", for your highly controversial unilateral decision to rewrite the Freenet Project which has always been hosted on "freenetproject.org", you said the following: > Yeah, all of the provocatively racist domain names were taken anyway. Notice that this is a VERBATIM quote, and the email of yours did not contain ANY other content, nothing to reduce the gravity of this statement; the gravity of which cannot be reduced anyway. Proof: https://www.mail-archive.com/devl@freenetproject.org/msg55336.html As a black person, but not only as such, I inform you that racism is NOT tolerable by any means whatsoever on this planet and will NEVER be. And before you attempt to dismiss this as a joke: Millions of people died due to racism. You, especially as a white person, are not entitled to joke about that. Nobody is. And this piles onto the provable falsehoods and other insults you have produced on this list in the previous days. Therefore, it is my duty to join the ranks of people who request you to: * immediately step down as leader of the Freenet Project and * leave its board and * transfer ownership of the domains to the Freenet developer team and * transfer ownership of all other related accounts and * cease to use the name "Freenet" for any of your new projects. Racists, or those who joke about racism, do not belong into positions where power is wielded. As you have failed to prove that the board of the project is still constructed of active members of the community, and not of those who have been inactive for decades as Mr. Daigniere stated, I join those who request leadership is transferred to the leading developer. To my knowledge, this is Mr. Babenhauserheide. Should he not accept the position, I would vouch for the previous lead developer Mr. Dougherty, or anyone of the choice of the two. Finally, I urgently implore anyone who reads this email to state their support. We must stand united against racism. - Russell Glenn
