Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread Dave Cole 

Least we leave out the most important suffix--

/E8172 - I own Elecraft radio serial number 08172

Now the thread is compliant as well...  It is still about Elecraft things!

On 07/27/2017 10:31 AM, Fred Jensen wrote:
> Common non-compliant indicators are:
>
> /M - I'm a mobile.  All the M's belong to the UK
> /R - I'm a repeater.  All the R's belong to Russia
> /PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air.  PM belongs to Indonesia
> /MM - I'm afloat.  See /M
> /AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain


73s and thanks,
Dave
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread Fred Jensen 
No, it is not illegal or non-compliant in the USand never has been. 
47CFR97 permits *any* self-assigned indicator(s)beforeor after the call 
sign, or both, *except* an indicator that duplicates an FCC assigned 
indicator [AG, AA, AE, KT], or any indicator that duplicates an 
ITU-assigned prefix.  Indicators are *not* confined to islands or 
locations, they can mean anything you want.  There can be more than one 
before and/or after:


QRP/QSX7027R5/K6DGW/6OVER6OVER6STACK ... I'm running less than 5 W, 
listening on 7027.5and I'm using a 6over 6 over 6 yagi stack is 
compliant ... incredibly stupid and foolish, but compliant.


Common non-compliant indicators are:

/M - I'm a mobile.  All the M's belong to the UK
/R - I'm a repeater.  All the R's belong to Russia
/PM - I'm a pedestrian and I'm on the air.  PM belongs to Indonesia
/MM - I'm afloat.  See /M
/AM _ I'm aloft. AM-AO belong to Spain

Possibly compliant:

/P - I'm portable.  The P's are split and all ITU "P" prefixes have more 
than one letter/digit.


Compliant:

/Q - There are no prefixes beginning with Q, that sequence is 
reserved for the International Q-signals, of which QRP is one.


The custom is to log mobiles in State/Province QSO parties as /abbrev>to permit working a mobile in different counties on the same 
band.  The FCC doesn't care how you log a station.  The mobile can be 
compliant simply by not making the county abbreviation an "indicator" 
[i.e. no "/"]


Last time I checked, no one has ever gone to jail or paid a fine for 
violations to this regulation. One question that has always nagged at me:


If a station running 5 W or less needs to send /QRP, whyshouldn't 
everyone running over 5 W [or some arbitrary power] send /QRO? This 
thread will end, probably soon, but it will also recur... it always does.


73,

Fred ("Skip") K6DGW
Sparks NV USA
Washoe County DM09dn


On 7/27/2017 5:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas



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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-27 Thread Ted Edwards W3TB 
A variation of this concern Stateside is the matter of putting country
abbreviations on callsigns within State QSO Parties for mobile and
expeditionary/rover operations.  I have done that for many years as an
expeditionary station in the Virginia QSO Party, and it helps for stations
to know you have changed counties so they can work you again.

I don't think there is any USA rule on that matter, but we all need to know
and abide by our own rules.
I also have a callsign in the UK and have followed the /p and /m when there.

On Thu, Jul 27, 2017 at 10:21 AM, Rick M0LEP  wrote:

> On Thu 27 Jul j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> > I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries.
>
> Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification
> requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation.
> For example:
>
> In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes.
> The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer
> from the "may use" wording that these suffixes are permitted and that
> therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume
> that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit
> prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require
> a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I
> have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no
> suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use".
>
> In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear
> that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the
> licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when
> mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is
> attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main
> station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my
> mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm
> elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P
> (or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call.
>
> and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been
> using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;)
>
> --
> 73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-27 Thread Rick M0LEP 
On Thu 27 Jul j...@kk9a.com wrote:
> I had no idea that signing /QRP was illegal in some countries.

Different jurisdictions have different ideas about identification 
requirements, and licence wording is sometimes open to interpretation. 
For example:

In the UK the licence says that operators "may use" certain suffixes. 
The only ones included are "/M", "/P", "/MM" and "/A". You could infer 
from the "may use" wording that these suffixes are permitted and that 
therefore all other suffixes are forbidden, or you could just assume 
that these four are picked out in the licence but there's no explicit 
prohibition against anything else being used. It would probably require 
a court decision to detemine which of those options actually applies. I 
have no desire to be involved in such a court case, so I'll use no 
suffixes other than the ones the licence says I "may use".

In the Kenya licence, the wording is "shall use", which makes it clear 
that no other suffixes are permitted. The only suffixes mentioned in the 
licence are "/P" (for use at a temporary location), "/M" (for use when 
mobile) and "/MM" (for use when on a vessel at sea). If no suffix is 
attached to a Kenya callsign then the operator must be at their main 
station address, so, if you hear me signing as 5Z4/M0LEP then I'm at my 
mother's house (and nowhere else) and if I sign as 5Z4/M0LEP/P I'm 
elsewhere in Kenya. Log me as 5Z4/M0LEP when I've signed as 5Z4/M0LEP/P 
(or vice versa) and you'll have a busted call.

and incidentally, all the contacts I've made as 5Z4/M0LEP/P have been 
using my KX3 with simple in-the-field antennas. ;)

-- 
73, Rick, M0LEP   (KX3 #3281)

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH 

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle of QRP.
Chas

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV 

On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.

That is not correct in areas regulated by the US FCC.

The rules state in §97.119(c):

One or more indicators may be included with the call sign. Each 

> indicator must be separated from the call sign by the slant mark
> (/) or by any suitable word that denotes the slant mark. If an
> indicator is self-assigned, it must be included before, after, or
> both before and after, the call sign. No self-assigned indicator
> may conflict with any other indicator specified by the FCC Rules
> or with any prefix assigned to another country.

The callsign block QAA-QZZ is not assigned by ITU and thus /QRP does
not conflict with any prefix assigned to another country or any
indicator (e.g., /AE, /AG, /KT) specified by the Rules.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/27/2017 8:16 AM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas

-Original Message-
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread N2TK, Tony 
Maybe it has been changed, but I remember reading a number of years ago
something in part 97 about for stateside functions you can pretty much put
what you want before and/or after the call. Brain is getting a little fuzzy
when you get this old, so maybe I dreamed it? :-)

73,
W2/N2TK/N2 

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Charlie T, K3ICH
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To: Elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Bill via Elecraft
Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

2017-07-27 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH 
Don't forget, signing WX1XXX/QRP is ILLEGAL.  You are NOT operating portable
on the isle or QRP.
Chas

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Sent: Thursday, July 27, 2017 1:30 AM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing QRP

I hate when guys sign QRP...especially in a contest.  An absolute waste of
time and makes the reception of the guys call more difficult.  Usually the
QRP guys are weak and I usually get the Q or the R or the P as part of his
call.  Don't do it.


Bill K4XS/KH7XS
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-27 Thread N2TK, Tony 
Don,
You are so correct about affecting the rhythm. One other issue happens when
signals are very weak. "/QRP" ads four characters more you need to copy. If
after several tries I don't feel like I got the entire call correct I don't
log it and I move on.  If the QRPer is running and wants to use "/QRP", that
is fine. When the QRPer is answering a CQ, especially in a contest, don't
hang the "/QRP" on the call. The running station may not have good copy on
you. The "/" may mean something else other than QRP. I have nothing against
QRP. Each to their own as to what they are trying to accomplish. That is
cool. I am just saying, try to help so the QSO is valid and you are in the
log. 

73,
N2TK, Tony

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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Don Wilhelm
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 8:25 PM
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I recall my first contact after getting my KX3.  It was on SSB.  I did not
indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other operator
said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."

So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what
counts.

It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the QSO.
There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so in
general, I would discourage doing so.

OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means use
it.

For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and operations
like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with the receiving
operator's 'rhythm".

73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:
> Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???
> 
> The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want 
> special treatment".
> 
> I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER 
> signed /QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact 
> asked what I was running.
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Dave Cole 

I told you this thread would go on forever...

73s and thanks,
Dave
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On 07/26/2017 06:20 PM, Clay Autery wrote:

Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Clay Autery 
Because his link to the video clip from Stripes was funny and
appropriate

S.

"Lighten up, Francis."

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On 7/26/2017 10:47 PM, Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
> Then  WHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 
>
> 73 Ron AC7AC
>
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> To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> Bwah!  My favorite!
>
> Can we please let this thread die?
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire 
ThenWHY are YOU pursuing it ??? 

73 Ron AC7AC

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Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire 
Yep, and that is what I do too. 

73, Ron AC7AC

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Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank my
output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to make
the contact.

73,
Drew
AF2Z



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> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire 
I agree 100% with Wayne about "...built my own radio..." 

Along the same lines, I answer any signal that sounds less than "perfect". It's 
more than likely it's a HB rig which leads to a very interesting QSO. 

Now, I will admit to having had a QSO when I said my power was less than 5 
watts and the other station same back saying "SRI OM. YOU ARE TOO WEAK TO 
COPY". 

If I'm feeling "onry" I have replied "SRI. NOW AT 500 WATTS. HW IS COPY?" and 
the other station replies "FB. SOLID COPY NOW" 

But.. I'll admit, I'm still at 5 watts. 

Like most things, perception an preconceived opinions are EVERYTHING!

73 Ron AC7AC


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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Wayne Burdick
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 12:57 PM
To: Nicklas Johnson
Cc: Elecraft Reflector
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is 
weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that 
you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if 
they’re local :) 

For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes 
QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, 
like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 
8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that 
*both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

“/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon 
footprint!” (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and 
opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or 
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see 
> how many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason 
> that would require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional 
> state of a stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid 
> indicator, so there's certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would 
> I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
> critique their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in 
>> the log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email 
>> them later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
>> [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- 
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
>>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Drew AF2Z 
Since QRP means "reduce your power" I figure it's an invitation to crank 
my output down to 5 watts and reply. If I can hear him at 5 watts he'll 
probably hear me and we'll both be using the minimum power required to 
make the contact.


73,
Drew
AF2Z



On 07/26/17 14:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Clay Autery 
Bwah!  My favorite!

Can we please let this thread die?

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On 7/26/2017 7:49 PM, John AE5X wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- >respond.
>>
>> 73
>>
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Nr4c 
Like signing emails with list of clubs they belong to, awards and all the 
Elecraft equipment with serial numbers. 

Sent from my iPhone
...nr4c. bill


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
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> W4TV  wrote:
> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Nr4c 
BTW how do we know you're in Africa. 

Yes, you tweaked a button!

Sent from my iPhone
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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil  wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs 
> stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I 
> couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they 
> could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it 
> likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
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>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Nr4c 
It's not your job to verify there power setting. If he signs /QRP while running 
he's 1.5 KW amp, that's between him and his conscience. 

If you don't record the /QRP you don't have his call correct. 

When's the last time you asked for a copy of abcontacts license before sending 
a QSL card?



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> On Jul 26, 2017, at 2:59 PM, Dave Heil  wrote:
> 
> During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate QSLs 
> stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was that I 
> couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. Only they 
> could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP although it 
> likely lessens their chances in a pileup.
> 
> Dave K8MN
> 
>> On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:
>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.
>> 73
>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Don Wilhelm 
I recall my first contact after getting my KX3.  It was on SSB.  I did 
not indicate my power level until well into the contact, and the other 
operator said "I cannot believe you are running only 10 watts."


So much for the /QRP signing, you can make contacts, and that is what 
counts.


It all depends on the attitude of the operator on the far end of the 
QSO.  There are several who will ignore any operator who signs /QRP, so 
in general, I would discourage doing so.


OTOH, if you are looking for only other QRP stations, then by all means 
use it.


For brevity of exchanges, I would discourage it in contests and 
operations like Field Day - the added suffix will only interfere with 
the receiving operator's 'rhythm".


73,
Don W3FPR

On 7/26/2017 8:10 PM, Charlie T, K3ICH wrote:

Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
running.

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Charlie T, K3ICH 
Ultimately, what is the real purpose of signing /QRP ???

The only answer I can think of translates to "give me a break, I want
special treatment".

I've operated many times with a barefoot KX3 and now a KX2 and NEVER signed
/QRP, or even mentioned the power level  unless the contact asked what I was
running.

There's so much more to talk about instead of the radio and Wx.

73, Charlie k3ICH


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Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 3:33 PM
To: 'Elecraft' <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
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[mailto:elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net] On Behalf Of Ken G Kopp
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To: Elecraft <elecraft@mailman.qth.net>
Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Dave Cole 

But what will the QRO guys that calls /QRP do if this is disallowed?

73s and thanks,
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On 07/26/2017 04:04 PM, Walter Underwood wrote:

I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU 
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. 
Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my 
Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much 
of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied 
from section II.9.16 of that document.


• Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries 
(e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot 
be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are 
/P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

•  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively 
weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash 
and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to 
decipher your callsign!

•  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, 
e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’.

•  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your 
CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little 
extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT 
DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’.

•  If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ 
QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’.


wunder
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On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy  wrote:

  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be 
treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.

It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't 
bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.

73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:


Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Walter Underwood 
I know this OT string is getting long, but I looked this up in the current IARU 
“Ethics and Operating Procedures for the Radio Amateur”, the Region 2 edition. 
Some nincompoop generated a PDF that doesn’t allow copying the text, but my 
Safari browser ignores that bit, so I can quote it here. I’m not sure how much 
of the formatting will come through, but the rest of this message is copied 
from section II.9.16 of that document.


• Never send your call as ‘ G3ZZZ/QRP’, this is illegal in many countries 
(e.g. Belgium). The QRP information is not part of your callsign, so it cannot 
be sent as a part of it. In many countries the only permitted call suffixes are 
/P, /A, /M, /MM and /AM..

•  If you are really a QRP station, chances are that you will be relatively 
weak with the station you are calling. Adding unnecessary ballast (the slash 
and the letters QRP) to your callsign will make it even more difficult to 
decipher your callsign!

•  You can of course always mention during the QSO you a re a QRP station, 
e.g.: ‘...PWR 5W 5W ONLY...’.

•  If you call CQ as a QRP station and you want to announce that during your 
CQ, you can do it as follows: ‘ CQ CQ G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP A R’. Insert a little 
extra space between the call and ‘ QRP’ and do not send a slash ( DAH DIT DIT 
DAH DIT) between your call and ‘QRP’.

•  If you’re looking for QRP stations specifically, call CQ as follows: ‘ CQ 
QRP CQ QRP G3ZZZ G3ZZZ QRP STNS (stations) ONLY AR’. 


wunder
K6WRU
Walter Underwood
CM87wj
http://observer.wunderwood.org/ (my blog)

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 3:01 PM, Tommy  wrote:
> 
>  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP want to be 
> treated different or think that they're special? I don't sense that at all.
> 
> It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It doesn't 
> bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my call on air.
> 
> 73!
> 
> Tom - KB2SMS
> 
> KX2 #01927
> 
> 
> On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 73,
>> 
>>   ... Joe, W4TV
>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Tommy 
  I respectfully disagree.  Why do you think people adding /QRP 
want to be treated different or think that they're special? I don't 
sense that at all.


It's just to let people know they're using low power. No big deal! It 
doesn't bother me. Although I personally don't add anything after my 
call on air.


73!

Tom - KB2SMS

KX2 #01927


On 07/26/2017 03:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:


Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV



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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Bill Johnson 
Mike,
Just as we all should.  Regulations are such.  Who really cares the power; it's 
the contact.  I love <100 mw when it works.  I usually don't bother with the 
suffix unless it is meaningful and I can claim it once contact is made and is 
solid.

73,
Bill
K9YEQ

-Original Message-

...the bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg


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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Mike Flowers 
Work 'em, Log 'em, move on ...

It's a hobby ...

-- Mike Flowers, K6MKF, NCDXC - "It's about DX!"

> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:56 PM, Nicklas Johnson  wrote:
> 
>> On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>> 
>> 
> ​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
> there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
> pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
> transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
> factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
> else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
> reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
> from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
> indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
> (probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
> telling me about it.
> 
> For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
> assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
> absolutely do not have.
> 
> Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
> much reason to get mad about that.
> 
>   Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Wayne Burdick 
Signing /QRP tells the other station at least two things: (1) your signal is 
weak because of power level, not propagation, so they don’t have to worry that 
you can’t copy them; and (2) you’re really excited to work them, even if 
they’re local :) 

For many of us, it’s this enthusiasm and extra effort on both sides that makes 
QRP contacts enjoyable, at times even mystical. It’s a spontaneous team effort, 
like quantum entanglement.

Example: I had QSO on 15 meters with Rwanda (from Arizona) running 200 mW to an 
8’ wire running directly to the back of a Safari 4. There is no question that 
*both* of us were ecstatic after he finally copied my callsign.

“/QRP” also often means “I built my own radio!” or “I’m reducing my carbon 
footprint!” (In my case, both.)

I greatly appreciate it when another station accepts the challenge and 
opportunity presented by QRP.

72,
Wayne
N6KR


> On Jul 26, 2017, at 12:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Nicklas Johnson 
On 26 July 2017 at 15:40, Joe Subich, W4TV  wrote:

>
> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>
>
​I think you are reading waay more into it than what is actually
there.​  Different, sure, but it's equally plausible to interpret it as a
pre-emptive explanation for having a weaker signal (or an inability to
transmit with any more power) or even just as a throwaway "gee whiz"
factoid about what they're doing.  I'm unwilling to assume what someone
else's motives must be when I can immediately imagine multiple different
reasons why someone might do a thing.  When I see a call sign coming across
from someone I don't know, I can't ascribe some special meaning to their
indicator without more information; all QRP tells me is that they're
(probably) using low power, not WHY they're using low power or WHY they're
telling me about it.

For me to assume what their motivation might be would require my making
assumptions about them and their reasoning process, which is information I
absolutely do not have.

Maybe I'll start signing N6OL/PIE when I'm having pizza.  There's just as
much reason to get mad about that.

   Nick
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Michael Goins 
I operated qrp exclusively for 25 years or so chasing DX and I also never
liked hearing the qrp tag on the end. To me, it was a way of trying to get
special treatment - sort of like cheating to me - and I never did it. The
thrill was in the chase and either finding someone down in the mud others
might be passing over and working them qrp or getting through pileups with
skill and not mega-power.

That said, it was fun when I worked a friend's station and got through the
pileup on the first or second call - at least for a while. Now I'm 1 watt
to 500 and I'm finally in a good place location-wise. Unfortunately, the
bands aren't so good, so I operate as conditions require.

Mike, k5wmg




On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <d...@nk7z.net> wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> 
>>>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.
>>>> net]
>>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>>
>>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kev K4VD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Dave Belville 
You're right Dave. When did this list become a court used to judge people?
If you don't want to answer someone signing/qrp, then don't! You are in
control and there is probably a big knob on your rig that you can turn. I
would ask the moderators to kill this thread. It is silly and childish.

Dave
KD9VT

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:44 PM, Dave Cole <d...@nk7z.net> wrote:

> My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that
> won't die.
>
> 73s and thanks,
> Dave
> NK7Z
> http://www.nk7z.net
>
> On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:
>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>  > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>  > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.
>>
>> Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
>> way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."
>>
>> It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
>> with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
>> not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
>> acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
>> make a special effort "to work the weak station."
>>
>> In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
>> shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
>> front of a bull.
>>
>> 73,
>>
>> ... Joe, W4TV
>>
>>
>> On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
>>> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
>>> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
>>> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
>>> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
>>> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>>>
>>> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or
>>> critique
>>> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>>>
>>> Nick
>>>
>>> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>>>> log.
>>>>
>>>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>>>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>>>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>>>>
>>>> ~C./WM
>>>> 
>>>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.
>>>> net]
>>>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>>>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>>>> To: Ken G Kopp
>>>> Cc: Elecraft
>>>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>>>>
>>>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>>>>
>>>> 73,
>>>> Kev K4VD
>>>>
>>>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>>>> respond.
>>>>>
>>>>> 73
>>>>>
>>>>> K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Dave Cole 
My guess is that this is going to be yet another OFF TOPIC threads that 
won't die.


73s and thanks,
Dave
NK7Z
http://www.nk7z.net

On 07/26/2017 12:40 PM, Joe Subich, W4TV wrote:

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
 > I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
 > judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

... Joe, W4TV


On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or 
critique

their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:


I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net 
[elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]

on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:


I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Joe Subich, W4TV 

On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.

Signing "/QRP" is just another manifestation of entitlement.  It is a
way of saying "I'm different and I demand special treatment."

It's the operator's choice to operate QRP (just a I choose to operate
with 100 Watts and simple antennas at the present time) but that does
not convey any special status, the right to demand that other operators
acknowledge that choice, or the right to demand that other operators
make a special effort "to work the weak station."

In a way, operating QRP is like other life choices ... keep it in your
shack and don't wave your flag in the face of others like a red cape in
front of a bull.

73,

   ... Joe, W4TV


On 7/26/2017 3:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:

I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:


I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
To: Ken G Kopp
Cc: Elecraft
Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:


I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
respond.

73

K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Ron Polityka 
Hello,

 I operate QRP 99% of the time.

I never sign /QRP. It takes skill while operating QRP, 5W CW or SSB, to snag
a QSO that is local in the U.S.A. or a DX station.

73
Ron Polityka
WB3AAL
K2 & K1 owner

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Subject: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Clay Autery 
My sentiments exactly.  Thank you!

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On 7/26/2017 2:27 PM, Nicklas Johnson wrote:
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
>
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
>
>Nick
>
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread David Ferrington, M0XDF 
Nick, in the UK, /QRP is NOT a valid suffix, so we do hear quite a few ops 
using it (and I would respond to them), but you shouldn’t hear one of us using 
it.

73 de David, M0XDF (K3 #174, P3 #108)
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> On 26 Jul 2017, at 20:27, Nicklas Johnson <n...@n6ol.us> wrote:
> 
> I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
> judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
> many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
> require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
> stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
> certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?
> 
> I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
> their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.
> 
>   Nick
> 
> On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:
> 
>> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
>> log.
>> 
>> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
>> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
>> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>> 
>> ~C./WM
>> 
>> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
>> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
>> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
>> To: Ken G Kopp
>> Cc: Elecraft
>> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>> 
>> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>> 
>> 73,
>> Kev K4VD
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
>>> respond.
>>> 
>>> 73
>>> 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Nicklas Johnson 
I can't imagine any world in which I would get bent out of shape or
judgmental about someone signing /QRP.  I'm not in this hobby to see how
many people I can *refuse* to speak to, let alone for a reason that would
require my making assumptions about the mental or emotional state of a
stranger.  Part 97 says /QRP is a perfectly valid indicator, so there's
certainly no rule being broken.  So why on earth would I care?

I wouldn't get irate with someone for using a Marconi antenna, or critique
their use of a dipole instead of a Yagi, either.

   Nick

On 26 July 2017 at 14:56, Chris Tate - N6WM <ct...@ewnetinc.com> wrote:

> I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the
> log.
>
> If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them
> later and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.
> Calling them a lid would not fit that bill.
>
> ~C./WM
> 
> From: elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net [elecraft-boun...@mailman.qth.net]
> on behalf of Kevin der Kinderen [kkinde...@gmail.com]
> Sent: Wednesday, July 26, 2017 11:42 AM
> To: Ken G Kopp
> Cc: Elecraft
> Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"
>
> I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.
>
> 73,
> Kev K4VD
>
> On Wed, Jul 26, 2017 at 2:33 PM, Ken G Kopp <kengk...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never-
> > respond.
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Dave Heil 
During my operations from Africa, I had a number of folks send duplicate 
QSLs stating that we'd not marked their QSLs with /QRP.  My view was 
that I couldn't certify that they were QRP as I wasn't in their shack. 
Only they could do that.  I didn't, however, object to any signing /QRP 
although it likely lessens their chances in a pileup.


Dave K8MN

On 26-Jul-17 18:33, Ken G Kopp wrote:

I view it as a "I'm special ... Please take pitty on me - I -never- respond.

73

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Chris Tate - N6WM 
I dont care what they add as a designator as long as I get the q in the log.

If I was really bent out of shape I would log them and then email them later 
and make any elmery suggestions after the fact, in a nice way.  Calling them a 
lid would not fit that bill.

~C./WM

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Subject: Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing "/QRP"

2017-07-26 Thread Kevin der Kinderen 
I view it as an invitation or a challenge. I always respond.

73,
Kev K4VD

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-13 Thread f9oj.7 
Hello everyone
Nobody mentionned the importance of the antenna when operating QRP.  Which
is the best : 10 watts on a three element beam or 100 watts on a dipole ?
I am not a DX champion or an avid contester but I reached te 100 countries
without particularly hunting for any of these, and in about a year's time.
Using a 6 el. log yagi on ten, an HB9CV on 15 and another one on 20.
No complex for QRP on SSB, please, but adjust carefully   your antennas !
73 to all
Jacques
- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP


Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in
the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal.


I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not
a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

Ron  all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
 interests will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-13 Thread W2AGN 
Well, I must have missed the memo. I thought this was the Elecraft list. But
for the past couple weeks, it appears to be a general discussion list. I though
the various and sundry QRP-L lists were more for that. Of course, I note a lot
of cross-posting, so I guess folks like to see their words of wisdom on
several lists.

I wonder where one finds information about the K3 and K2, etc? Maybe on the
Bird-watchers list?


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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-13 Thread Chris Kantarjiev 
 Yes.  And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year.  To celebrate 
 FISTS is offering the 20/20 award.

Too bad there don't seem to be many (active) FISTS west of the Rockies.
In these times of poor condx, I feel lucky to have finally amassed
100 points while running QRP (all I've got)... the 20/20 award
appears out of reach.

Oh well, I'm still having fun!

73 de chris K6DBG
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-13 Thread Scott Richardson 

Bird-watchers list?


When's LAITF?

Scott N1AIA

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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread John GM4SLV 
On Mon, 11 Jun 2007 23:02:21 -0400
Stephen W. Kercel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:


 As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing /QRP is 
 perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for self-assigned 
 indicators. There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last 
 sentence of the regulation says No self-assigned may conflict with 
 any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix 
 assigned to another country. Q signals, including QRP, pose no such 
 conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular self-assigned 
 indicators are illegal, particularly /M, commonly used by mobile 
 stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, 

That's an odd one! The prefix M is indeed assigned to the UK and used
in the amateur service. But in the UK /M it is also the legally
assigned suffix to be used when operating from a vehicle or as a
pedestrian (leaving aside the recent regulation change in the UK which
seems to have made the use of the suffixes for mobile/portable etc.
optional).

As far as I can read in our regs there's nothing to prevent adding /QRP
to one's callsign. As long as your basic call is given correctly then
anything else is allowed in a QSO - tagging /QRP to the end seems to me
to be just part of the rest of the QSO. It's splitting hairs to worry
about the difference between GM4SLV/QRP and GM4SLVspaceQRP and
(when I'm sending!!) GM4SLVmight be a space, might not be who can
tell/QRP

As to actually signing /QRP I tend to agree that in general it's
pointless and even counterproductive, as it seems to put some people off
- a real 559 turns into 339 in the mind of the op at the other end when
the seed of oh - it's a QRP station doubt is sown too early in the
QSO!

I do find it useful as a QRP operator to know in advance that the weak
station I can hear is actually QRP because then (through the theory of
reciprosity) I can assume that he'll hear me just as well as I can
hear him. 

Without this clue (/QRP) I tend  assume other signals are from normal
100w stations and therefore I'll be receiving 13dB more signal from them
than they will from me. I'll switch in my attenuator and see how it
still sounds. If he's still workable I'll give him a call (not
signing /QRP).

I never sign /QRP but accasionally I'll add QRP into a CQ call if I'm
on one of the QRP calling frequencies and want to inform other QRPers
that I'll be able to hear them, if they can hear me.

Cheers

John GM4SLV
Shetland Isles
UK
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Leigh L Klotz, Jr. 
Wouldn't the suffix have to be include a number (i.e. /M0 or /R3) to be 
confused with a prefix?

Leigh/WA5ZNU
On Tue, 12 Jun 2007 5:35 am, David Y. wrote:
/particularly /M, commonly used by mobile stations, a prefix assigned 
to the UK, and /R commonly used by repeaters, a prefix assigned to 
Russia, and used for special ham callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans.

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RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire 
I suspect John, GM4SLV, and Steve AA4AK are quite right about many responses
to those signing /QRP. 

I always perk up when I hear /QRP because it promises to be an unusually
interesting contact. When I call CQ on or near a QRP calling frequency
such as 7040 or 14060 I use 5 watts or less and sign /QRP myself. 

I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests
will never stop signing /QRP. If someone considers a QRP signal as unworthy
of his or her time, that's their choice and I'm happy to help them avoid
being ambushed by an unrecognized QRP signal just because it happens to be
pounding in nice an strong at their end. 

Ron AC7AC


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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Mike Markowski 
Ron  all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating interests
 will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to resend
it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it more than
not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Ron D'Eau Claire 
Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ W3XYZ
DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first. 

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in
the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP signal.


I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is not
a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC 


-Original Message-

Ron  all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:
 ...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating 
 interests will never stop signing /QRP...

I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Sandy 
Can't agree with you more Ron!  I think I've had more polite QSO's with 
QRPers than other random contacts.  Another bunch that will spend some good 
QSO time with you other than the:  Good meeting you, RST, QTH, Op, 73 
QSO, is the FISTS group.  Way too many fellows these days who plain don't 
want to talk and ragchew on CW.  I have run into a lot of shooters, 
pilots, ship operators accidently while laying out fragments of my bio on 
CW QSO's.  I feel VERY uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5 
watters, then finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459 
is running 100 watts!


72/72,

Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP
- Original Message - 
From: Ron D'Eau Claire [EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP


Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX W3XYZ 
W3XYZ

DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging in
the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP 
signal.



I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP is 
not

a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

Ron  all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
interests will never stop signing /QRP...


I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not 
signing

using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by txing:

cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but send it
more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-12 Thread Jozef Hand-Boniakowski 
Yes.  And, this is the FISTS 10th anniversary this year.  To celebrate 
FISTS is offering the 20/20 award.  Your work 20 FISTS for 20 minutes 
each (at least) in each of the 12 months during 2007.  The first month 
you get the certificate and and sticker for that month (say January).  
Then for each successive month you do it again and get another stick 
(for that month).  Get all twelve (20 QSOs X 20 minutes per month X 12 
months) and you get plaque for the anniversary award.  To allow late 
comers to get the plaque, you get a free month sticker for any two 
consecutive months the feat is achieved.  These can be used for missed 
months.  The conversations have been wonderful.  See awards at 
http://www.fists.org


73, Jozef
FISTS 12313 CC 1875

Sandy wrote:
Can't agree with you more Ron!  I think I've had more polite QSO's 
with QRPers than other random contacts.  Another bunch that will spend 
some good QSO time with you other than the:  Good meeting you, RST, 
QTH, Op, 73 QSO, is the FISTS group.  Way too many fellows these 
days who plain don't want to talk and ragchew on CW.  I have run 
into a lot of shooters, pilots, ship operators accidently while 
laying out fragments of my bio on CW QSO's.  I feel VERY 
uncomfortable getting a 589/599 report when running 5 watters, then 
finding out the guy on the other end, who is maybe 349 or 459 is 
running 100 watts!


72/72,

Sandy
Mostly W5TVW/QRP
- Original Message - From: Ron D'Eau Claire 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

To: elecraft@mailman.qth.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 1:47 PM
Subject: RE: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP


Well, there's the huge difference between us Mike. I call W3XYX 
W3XYZ W3XYZ

DE AC7AC AC7AC AC7AC/QRP ;-)

Same for CQ. My thinking is that if hearing the /QRP is going to confuse
anyone, I want them to get the call right first.

As for a QRP signal being 'tiny', it all depends upon conditions. 
Digging
out weak signals can be fun. I do it out of habit. I find I'm digging 
in
the mud for a 100 watt or greater signal at least as often as a QRP 
signal.



I've given and received lots of 579 to 599 reports and enjoyed long, 
long
rag chews when we're both running 5 watts or less to suggest that QRP 
is not

a all a tiny signal when conditions are right.

Ron AC7AC


-Original Message-

Ron  all,

Ron D'Eau Claire wrote:

...I hope the intrepid operators who love to promote their operating
interests will never stop signing /QRP...


I share some of the feelings of both camps regarding signing or not 
signing
using /QRP.  As a result, I use a combination.  I generally call by 
txing:


cq cq cq de ab3ap/qrp ab3ap ab3ap

I put the /QRP in early so the responding op doesn't feel obligated to
resend it back to me, send it only once because it takes time, but 
send it

more than not at all so listeners know what that tiny signal is.

For what it's worth,
Mike  ab3ap
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-11 Thread crmabbott 
It is much better to sign QRP after they give you a decent RST, it really 
annoys them!!
It sort of makes the 229  no cpy you get after that a little shallow in 
meaning.

73 

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 Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing. 
 
 73! Ken Kopp - K0PP 
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-11 Thread Paul - VE1DY 

Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing.


Hi Ken,

Yes it can, but...   I like to hear a guy sign qrp, especially these
days, with poor propagation because... if I hear a fairly weak signal,
and I'm thinking, he's probably running a hundred watts, I won't
bother calling, because he aint gonna hear me.  On the other hand, if
I hear his /qrp, I'll immediately reach for the paddle, cuz I know
he's gonna hear my K2!

72, Paul
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Paul - ve1dy - Halifax, NS
SKCC #91, QRP-L #416, K2 - 5678
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On 6/11/07, Ken Kopp [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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Re: [Elecraft] Signing /QRP

2007-06-11 Thread Stephen W. Kercel 

Ken and list:

Generally speaking, if I hear a station calling CQ with /QRP, I'll 
answer with /QRP. Particularly on domestic QSOs, I'm more interested 
in working other QRP stations than high powered stations. Thus, when 
I hear /QRP I do not hear it as please take pity, but rather as 
here's an interesting QSO in the offing.


It is usually not a good idea to sign /QRP in contests or DX 
pileups; in those circumstances, the station being called by multiple 
callers answers the first call he/she makes sense of; either the 
loudest or the shortest. Anyway, contest action moves too fast to 
allow for unnecessary information.


As for legality, for FCC licensed stations, signing /QRP is 
perfectly legal. FCC Regs 97.119(c) allows for self-assigned 
indicators. There is an interesting gotcha to the rule. The last 
sentence of the regulation says No self-assigned may conflict with 
any other indicator specified by the FCC rules, or with any prefix 
assigned to another country. Q signals, including QRP, pose no such 
conflict. However, as W3BE points out, other popular self-assigned 
indicators are illegal, particularly /M, commonly used by mobile 
stations, a prefix assigned to the UK, and /R commonly used by 
repeaters, a prefix assigned to Russia, and used for special ham 
callsigns for Russian WW2 veterans.


73,

Steve Kercel
AA4AK





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Signing /QRP can be viewed as please take pitty on me thing.

73! Ken Kopp - K0PP
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