Re: [eug-lug]Brother, can you spare 30 billion dimes?
Yeah... 30billion dimes... After reading the article, it sounds like the EU is more interested in getting thier peice of the M$ pie, than making business fair... I dont see anything they say that leads me to belive that they care about unfair business practices, or making things better... just getting their money... Jamie On Wednesday 12 November 2003 01:42 am, Bob Crandell wrote: : Hi, : : I think they are beginning to develop an image problem. : : http://www.cnn.com/2003/TECH/biztech/11/11/microsoft.eu.ap/index.html : : Bob : : -- : Assured Computing : When you need to be sure. : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : www.assuredcomp.com : Voice - 541-868-0331 : FAX - 541-463-1627 : Eugene, Oregon : : : ___ : EuG-LUG mailing list : [EMAIL PROTECTED] : http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Microsoft is not the answer. Microsoft is the question. NO (or Linux) is the answer. -- Taken from a .signature from someone from the UK, source unknown ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Spam, filtering, and censorship
On Tue, Nov 11, 2003 at 04:44:20PM -0800, Marc Baber wrote: I would say that spam, or at least the set of e-mails that one might want to be classified as spam, is *not* the same for everybody, in the case of politically motivated spam filtering. Because the corpus body of collected spam e-mails is used to filter e-mail for all users, one person's spam report can affect e-mail delivered (or not delivered) to a large number of people. The reason I talk about lost e-mails is because my account was defaulted into a delete spam mode when spam filtering was first introduced at EFN and I never saw filtered spam until I specifically contacted EFN to personally to ask that my account be exempted from that default. I have no experience of receiving flagged spam as the default action for EFN's spam filter. I had to lose an airline reservation e-mail and at least one job-seeking related e-mail before I became suspicious and started asking questions to learn that my account was defaulted to drop spam silently. That was very frustrating for me and has made me the spam-filter-unfriendly guy I am today. Hm. There have been three periods in the history of efn's spam filters: 2002 DNSBLs coupled with local sendmail rules During this period, any email that was rejected by our servers, would be bounced back to the sender, thereby meeting the RFC requirement to either deliver or account for every piece of mail. This was an increasingly labor-intensive solution, but it did not generate very many complaints to the volunteer postmaster. 2002 DNSBLs coupled with SpamAssassin, auto-deleting During this period, efn ran SpamAssassin, first on our main incoming mailserver, and later on two dedicated hosts. Mail which was flagged as spam by SpamAssassin was automatically deleted. Mail blocked by DNSBLs continued to be bounced. Reliability, both of the mailsystem as a whole, and of the spam filter in particular, became embarassingly bad. If i recall correctly, it was during this period that your missing mail episodes happened. I apologize for, and continue to be ashamed about, our mail performance during this period, but there was really nothing more i could have done to fix it than i did, and the problem was essentially political. You are not the only one to be wary of SpamAssassin on the basis of such experiences; our debacle caused UO to become very wary of any futher experiments with SpamAssassin. 2003 DNSBLs coupled with SpamAssassin, flagging In early 2003 we experimented with bouncing back to the sender mail which was flagged as spam by SpamAssassin. This resolved the RFC-compliance problem, but did little to improve the reliability issue. Since then we have been delivering with messages flagged by SpamAssassin (DNSBL rejects are still bounced). If people opt to auto-delete flagged spam at delivery time, we do that for them on a user-by-user basis with .procmailrc configuration. We aim to enhance this mail system further with individual user configurability. If there is to be a central corpus of spam for all users, I'd like to see some accountability and transparency: 1. Who makes the final decision if an e-mail submitted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] is included in the corpus as such. What are the relevant policies? Is it automated or staffed? At the moment, any email which is submitted as spam, and is recognized by the postmasters as a sample email (rather than, say, a request for whitelisting or tech support) is queued for eventual inclusion in the Bayesian filter. The sender's report is considered sufficient evidence that the mail in question is indeed spam or tofu. At present none of it is committed to the Bayesian filter, which learns only on the auto-learn basis of mail that it examines as it goes. 2. The corpus should be in an open web directory that is searchable. That is an interesting idea, i'm not sure how we'd implement it (MySQL?). We are talking about millions of messages here. When the SpamAssassin says something is spam, there should be links to the reference e-mails in the corpus that were correlated with the spam, upon request, so a user can review whether the items in the corpus are objective spam or subjective spam. The individual must have a way of reviewing the decisions or processes that contribute to the corpus. That looks to be Very, Very Hard to do. I don't know that SpamAssassin has any sort of support for audit trail in its Bayesian mechanism, and i would expect including it to signifigantly increase both the CPU cycles and the disk space needed to manage a mailstream as large as efn's. It might be easier to do per-user Bayesian filters, or perhaps to have a Spam Committee which must approve
[eug-lug]'nuther reason
to avoid the noid: http://www.microsoft.com/technet/treeview/?url=/technet/security/bulletin/MS03-048.asp brief from page: snip Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-048 Cumulative Security Update for Internet Explorer (824145) Issued: November 11, 2003 Version: 1.0 Summary Who Should Read This Document: Customers who have Microsoft Internet Explorer installed Impact of Vulnerability: Remote Code Execution Maximum Severity Rating: Critical Recommendation: Customers should install this security update immediately. Security Update Replacement: This update replaces the one that is provided in Microsoft Security Bulletin MS03-040, which is itself a cumulative update. Caveats: None /snip The Real Question: Is this spam? I've been seeing an awful lot of Install this patch immediately spams spoofed from Microsoft Security Bulletin, but this is a real (and new) security update from M$. My source only claimed that this update is being reviewed, not that it should indeed be installed. = ) cheers Ben ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
So; due to a combination of frustration with a slow release cycle and curiosity, i replaced my Debian install on my laptop with Gentoo. It's been an interesting experience so far; it has by far the most primitive installer i've seen in a long time. My memory of the vintage 1996 Slackware installer is that it was more sophisticated. One question i've not found the answer to yet, and would appreciate if anyone else knows; is there something i can do with emerge or a related application to list the full set of installed packages, equivalent to Debian's # dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii It looks to me like it's all there in /var/log/emerge.log, but i'd prefer something zippier than grep, if it's already been done :-) -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 03:53 am, Patrick R. Wade wrote: : So; due to a combination of frustration with a slow release cycle : and curiosity, i replaced my Debian install on my laptop with Gentoo. : It's been an interesting experience so far; it has by far the most : primitive installer i've seen in a long time. My memory of the : vintage 1996 Slackware installer is that it was more sophisticated. heh.. its no more sophisticated now either! : : One question i've not found the answer to yet, and would appreciate : if anyone else knows; is there something i can do with emerge or a : related application to list the full set of installed packages, : equivalent to Debian's : # dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii : : : It looks to me like it's all there in /var/log/emerge.log, but : i'd prefer something zippier than grep, if it's already been done :-) -- Never make any mistaeks. -- Anonymous, in a mail discussion about to a kernel bug report ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 01:47:24PM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 12:10:19PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Mon, Nov 10, 2003 at 11:59:00AM -0800, Jacob Meuser wrote: So, how does one install .debs or RPMs in gentoo, and still have the niceness of emerge? emerge app-arch/rpm And this would register the installed RPMS in the portage database? I don't see a patch to the rpm sources to do that. No, you have to do an added step of # emerge inject package-category/package-name (which looks less painful than the Debian equivs bit) -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Spoofed
Hey, I feel special now. I've been spoofed. From: Bob Crandell To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 11/12/2003 - 07:21:46 am Files: attachment.txt (2 k) Subject:help! Section: 1.1 Keywords: plain qprint - 1 k R566mL70 36Ds683C8 s3aC F20111j 7D1tj V882RX2 81 7LhJtm08 vg3U 8146yw38 8Yxo06 4485pw d3l cD6k 85t7UMO 034Rl3 DNlmk 411Qy451h Qdw5 Gp880kA 0rwW5 7cVm60l5 tP8 7tO Nut SsT1 Xh h4x28o2Br 3T77554O vJvG7 1v21 T17Ru83tf x315U1 44Xk paR2Fx d8t1 8oQ7y73 6Uk8XW5 VU50 8LWYu3 71C04 87 68Ed 812YY2b5 fJ fdx687T En500W X00 VX7P35Hcc 14 D6 J0us f3t 40 -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]Neuros error
Does anyone have an idea what the FATAL:2628:Exception occured FATAL:2630:java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 means as I try to run the following Java program for manipulating the data in my Neuros mp3 player? It has been working great on my RH 9 system until yesterday. Thanks, Dirk WARNING:13: WARNING:18:NeurosDBM version 1.16 WARNING:236:2003-11-10 21:59:38.297 WARNING:237:Running on Linux Sun Microsystems Inc. 1.4.1_01 FATAL:2628:Exception occured FATAL:2630:java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Word.init(Word.java:55) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.MDB.parseMDBHeader(MDB.java:77) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioMDB.loadExistingDatabase(AudioMDB.java:84) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioMDB.init(AudioMDB.java:49) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioDBBase.init(AudioDBBase.java:67) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioDB.init(AudioDB.java:36) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Database.loadExistingDatabase(Database.java:108) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Database.init(Database.java:88) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.NeurosDBM.init(NeurosDBM.java:89) at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.NeurosDBM.main(NeurosDBM.java:250) ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Neuros error
Hum, I don't know anything about the neurosdmb project, but since it *was* working: What other conditions have changed? Do you happen to have many more small files now vs. fewer [maybe larger] files before? I ask since the ArrayIndexOutOfBounds error could possibly be brought on by surpassing a hard limit in their code. Hard to say, from here -- you'll probably want to sign on that project's sourceforge-run mailing list, usually titled project-users... see their home page at sf.net. You might also check for a more recent version of their code, but if you're up-to-date they probably want to know the details of your problem. Include such information as which JVM you're using (run 'java -version')... good luck, Ben On 12 Nov 2003 08:15:49 -0800 Dirk Ouellette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Does anyone have an idea what the FATAL:2628:Exception occured | FATAL:2630:java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 | means as I try to run the following Java program for manipulating the | data in my Neuros mp3 player? It has been working great on my RH 9 | system until yesterday. | Thanks, Dirk | WARNING:13: | WARNING:18:NeurosDBM version 1.16 | WARNING:236:2003-11-10 21:59:38.297 | WARNING:237:Running on Linux Sun Microsystems Inc. 1.4.1_01 | FATAL:2628:Exception occured | FATAL:2630:java.lang.ArrayIndexOutOfBoundsException: 2 | at net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Word.init(Word.java:55) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.MDB.parseMDBHeader(MDB.java:77) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioMDB.loadExistingDatabase(AudioMDB.j | ava:84) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioMDB.init(AudioMDB.java:49) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioDBBase.init(AudioDBBase.java:67) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.AudioDB.init(AudioDB.java:36) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Database.loadExistingDatabase(Database.j | ava:108) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.db.Database.init(Database.java:88) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.NeurosDBM.init(NeurosDBM.java:89) | at | net.sourceforge.neurosdbm.NeurosDBM.main(NeurosDBM.java:250) | | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]bash tricks
There are a few nice bash tricks to search and replace text in files, using find, and a grep script that bolds the searched for words up on this week's ArsTechnica Linux page: http://arstechnica.com/etc/linux/2003/linux.ars-2003-2.html ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
Darren Hayes wrote: FYI, beginning this month, MS changed to announcing/releasing critical update security patches only on the second Tuesday of each month. Does this mean the Bad Guys will be rolling out their new exploits on the second Wednesday of each month, to be sure their attacks will be indefensible for the next 29 days? That could also have positive implications, if the sysadmins of the world only have to adjust their filters once a month. (-: -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
Patrick R. Wade wrote: One question i've not found the answer to yet, and would appreciate if anyone else knows; is there something i can do with emerge or a related application to list the full set of installed packages, equivalent to Debian's # dpkg -l '*' | grep ^ii # qpkg -I # qpkg -I -v To see the list of packages you've explicitly requested: # cat /var/cache/edb/world I'm planning to put Gentoo on my laptop eventually. Let us know how things like hotplug, wifi and USB go. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]new disk in old server
Dear EUGLUG, I have a spare 40GB drive I was planning on putting in an old AMD K6-2 500 server. The machine is currently running off of a 6GB drive. I've got 2 of these same machines -- 1 is running my websites, and the other is at home as a test machine. When I put the 40GB drive in there, the motherboard only saw 20GB of it. So my idea was to get a EIDE PCI card which would have the added benefit that I could run the 40GB drive at full UDMA100 speed. But this makes me curious if the kernel will need the driver for the PCI card, and would that mean I'd have to boot from floppy? Or would it just mean that the boot partition needs to be at the beginning of the drive so the motherboard can see it and once Linux is loaded, the rest of the drive is visible? I'm always confused by where Linux overcomes motherboard deficiencies. Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
So we hope although I'm pretty certain there has almost *always* been some outstanding, known exploits on M$ products which they continually deny, put off, delay, etc. Anyone got handy links to back me up? Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 09:47:06 -0800 (PST) jgw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | FYI, beginning this month, MS changed to announcing/releasing | critical update security patches only on the second Tuesday of each | month. | | If this is true, this plan isn't going to last long. Any hack victim | would have a heyday in court if it could prove that Microsoft | knowingly knew about an exploit, and held onto an announcement/patch | for a month. | | /jgw | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
It depends on your hardware, AFAIK, and then is up to the kernel, as to how the drives get assigned during boot. Just dealt with some boot seqence issues on SATA drives here at work, and the fix was to pass boot prompt parameters to force an ordering which allowed booting from the desired drive. In my case, I couldn't boot Knoppix from the CD-ROM since the two SATA controllers bumped the auto-assignment of the CDROM drive high enough (ie, hdj IIRC) that Knoppix did not seek it out. You might also want to look at the motherboard manufacturer's site to see if they have a BIOS update which woudl help... regards, Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:09:20 -0800 Rob Hudson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Dear EUGLUG, | | I have a spare 40GB drive I was planning on putting in an old AMD K6-2 | 500 server. The machine is currently running off of a 6GB drive. | I've got 2 of these same machines -- 1 is running my websites, and the | other is at home as a test machine. | | When I put the 40GB drive in there, the motherboard only saw 20GB of | it. So my idea was to get a EIDE PCI card which would have the added | benefit that I could run the 40GB drive at full UDMA100 speed. But | this makes me curious if the kernel will need the driver for the PCI | card, and would that mean I'd have to boot from floppy? Or would it | just mean that the boot partition needs to be at the beginning of the | drive so the motherboard can see it and once Linux is loaded, the rest | of the drive is visible? | | I'm always confused by where Linux overcomes motherboard deficiencies. | | Thanks, | Rob | ___ | EuG-LUG mailing list | [EMAIL PROTECTED] | http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
On 20031112.1047, Ben Barrett said ... It depends on your hardware, AFAIK, and then is up to the kernel, as to how the drives get assigned during boot. Just dealt with some boot seqence issues on SATA drives here at work, and the fix was to pass boot prompt parameters to force an ordering which allowed booting from the desired drive. In my case, I couldn't boot Knoppix from the CD-ROM since the two SATA controllers bumped the auto-assignment of the CDROM drive high enough (ie, hdj IIRC) that Knoppix did not seek it out. Hmm. I've just never used a card to boot my systems. If one has SCSI, how does Linux load the kernel if it needs SCSI drivers to read from the device? I'd imagine a UDMA PCI card would be similar. You might also want to look at the motherboard manufacturer's site to see if they have a BIOS update which woudl help... Yep, I've got the latest. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:47:06AM -0800, jgw wrote: FYI, beginning this month, MS changed to announcing/releasing critical update security patches only on the second Tuesday of each month. If this is true, this plan isn't going to last long. Any hack victim would have a heyday in court if it could prove that Microsoft knowingly knew about an exploit, and held onto an announcement/patch for a month. That's not hard to prove, since MS discovers only a small portion of their vulnerabilities, most come from security companies who post the results, and dates of what they find. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:42:53AM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: So we hope although I'm pretty certain there has almost *always* been some outstanding, known exploits on M$ products which they continually deny, put off, delay, etc. Anyone got handy links to back me up? Ben How about any security company reports compared with patch release dates. A browsing through securityfocus.com should provide many such companies and reports. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 09:44:24AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: # qpkg -I # qpkg -I -v To see the list of packages you've explicitly requested: qpkg works but is quite slow. # cat /var/cache/edb/world I'm planning to put Gentoo on my laptop eventually. Let us know how things like hotplug, wifi and USB go. USB works fine on my laptop. Haven't gotten into wifi yet. Becareful with gentoo on a laptop. I have two laptops with gentoo on it. Laptop hardware is not designed to be running at 100% cpu utilization all the time, while a desktop could care less. Gentoo means compiling a lot and many hours running at near 100% cpu util. This broke my power supply in one of my laptops. The other laptop I have a 3 year warranty on it, and the hardware is so new that Gentoo is the best for it. Freebsd won't boot. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:09:20AM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: I have a spare 40GB drive I was planning on putting in an old AMD K6-2 500 server. The machine is currently running off of a 6GB drive. I've got 2 of these same machines -- 1 is running my websites, and the other is at home as a test machine. When I put the 40GB drive in there, the motherboard only saw 20GB of it. So my idea was to get a EIDE PCI card which would have the added benefit that I could run the 40GB drive at full UDMA100 speed. But this makes me curious if the kernel will need the driver for the PCI card, and would that mean I'd have to boot from floppy? Or would it just mean that the boot partition needs to be at the beginning of the drive so the motherboard can see it and once Linux is loaded, the rest of the drive is visible? I'm always confused by where Linux overcomes motherboard deficiencies. I have one of these I was using on my x86 box. No longer using it, so if you are looking for one cheap, make an offer. =) The challenge for me was getting it to boot off the drive. Seems that my BIOS knows the IDE card isn't a SCSI interface, so telling it to boot SCSI didn't work. I had to make sure no other HDs in the system were bootable in order to use it. Linux saw the first drive on the IDE card as /dev/hde which made for interesting lilo and grub setup. It's a Promise chipset, so you do need the appropriate driver in the kernel, and it must be compiled in since it's for the boot device. 2.4.19 and above have the necessary driver for the ATA100 controllers. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason - Backup for Ben
In response to jgw, Ben wrote: So we hope although I'm pretty certain there has almost *always* been some outstanding, known exploits on M$ products which they continually deny, put off, delay, etc. Anyone got handy links to back me up? Ben Ben/all, pivx.com used to publish a popular 'Unpatched IE vulnerabilities' page. As of 9/11/2003, there were 31 known, unpatched vulnerabilities in Internet Explorer. Because of Microsoft's increasingly positive and proactive actions in the realm of security, along with increasing attacks on Windows systems, pivx.com took down the page, but continues to update the list internally. For those interested, a small schpeil (sp?) is at: http://www.pivx.com/larholm/unpatched/ Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]RPM woes
Hi, When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 box I get rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. help. Thanks Bob -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]mail over ssh
At work, I leave an SSH session open to my server and run Mutt off the server. Recently, our worksite acquired a firewall that closes inactive sessions after 15 minutes. So if I don't get mail for 15 minutes and don't use the terminal, it drops me. What I'd like to do is update my .muttrc file and add a clock to the status line. If I 'man muttrc', it tells me I can add %fmt to my index_format line to show the current time. Anyone familiar with mutt rc files? Can I add the %fmt to my status_format line? Any other ideas to make activity on my screen to not drop the connection? Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:58:22AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: The other laptop I have a 3 year warranty on it, and the hardware is so new that Gentoo is the best for it. Freebsd won't boot. What'd you get? Dell inspiron 8000 or maybe 8500. P4 2.2 ghz, 512mb, 30gb, geforce 2 or 4 with 64mb video ram, 15 wide screen, cdrw+dvd and windows XP! It was a gift. It was also a challenge to find a version of the kernel that actually ran on it without problems. Knoppix was the only one for a while, but I eventually figured out a gentoo config that allowed it to boot without hanging. There is no apm, only acpi controlled power management which linux support is coming up on. So I haven't gotten suspend to work yet. I have a touchpad and a usb mouse. They have two different interfaces, but I got X to work with both, simultaneously! I'm also in the process of getting a new (used) system from computer base to put freebsd on. I had it for a while on my firewall, but didn't have the time to figure out how to get Kame and FreeS/WAN to interoperate, even though it has been done. I need vpn access, so for the time being it is linux on my firewall. However it's also time to get serious with freebsd. Then I'll be getting serious with solaris. G! btw, as long as we are talking about toys, I also just got an APC SU3000RM! A 3000va rack mount, 8 port, 3u, 120lbs UPS. The thing is so heavy I haven't even opened the box yet. I hope my smaller rack can hold it without taking it down through the floor. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:47PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 box I get rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. Wait, an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 doesn't sound like a brand new Redhat 9.0 box. Don't tell me you tried to cross distros. Remember what happened in ghost busters when they crossed the streams? Bad Tings (TM) Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
Hmm, maybe see if you're trying to upgrade an existing package, (by doing something like 'rpm -qa|grep ftpd') and if so, use the -U option for rpm instead of -i. AFAIK, -U can be used even for installs of new packages, so (if that's right) it could/should be used instead of -i anytime. I use -Uvh. Also: is this .rpm file made for RedHat 9? It might be somewhat distro-dependent, if not... or maybe there's more cruft left over from mandrake. (You managed to upgrade a mandrake to redhat, using a CD and clicking upgrade?? nice, except for the headaches!) Also, if worse comes to worse, say if you can determine that there is a conflict with the existing package or other ones, remove whatever related stuff you can afford to remove, temporarily (rpm -e, but be careful, as it does not save backups as it uninstalls), do your install or upgrade, and then fix up your package set. For instance, to upgrade from redhat 7.x to 9, I had to remove a TON of packages, since I was using a lot of .fr2 (freshrpms) and .ximian (er, Novell) packages which made for horrible unresolvable conflicts until I erased all those outsourced ones, did the upgrade, then recovered based merely on a saved list of packages... my dvd reader still doesn't work again though, wah! regards, Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:59:47 + Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi, | | When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 | box I get | rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions | | This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. | | help. | | Thanks | Bob | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
But -- they *HAD* to do it. It was the only way. It also made them that much cooler, er more badass. The main ill effect I recall was the destruction of the fine chandelier in the ballroom (their first major encounter) -- didn't they also need to cross the streams to toast the Stay-Puft man? cheers and jeers, Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:54:15 -0800 Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Wait, an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 doesn't sound like a brand new | Redhat 9.0 box. Don't tell me you tried to cross distros. Remember | what happened in ghost busters when they crossed the streams? | Bad Tings (TM) | | Cory ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
Rob Hudson wrote:
At work, I leave an SSH session open to my server and run Mutt off the
server. Recently, our worksite acquired a firewall that closes inactive
sessions after 15 minutes. So if I don't get mail for 15 minutes and
don't use the terminal, it drops me.
Go to the document root for some web site you control. Add the
following to the file index.html, anywhere in the body.
a href=mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]/a
That will ensure you a steady stream of spam so your ssh connection
never closes. (-:
In a more serious vein, I have the same problem at TiVo, so I wrote
this script, which I called printloop.
#!/bin/sh
while sleep 60
do
echo -ne '\1'
done
Right after I log in, I type printloop . You might want to just
stick it into your .login if $SSH_CLIENT matches ORCAS' IP address.
The VT-100 emulator in xterm ignores SOH ('\1') characters, so
it doesn't interfere with on-screen display.
Two caveats: (1) if you scroll up in the xterm window, the SOH
character will scroll you back to the bottom. (2) You can't terminate
the ssh session anymore by logging out. You'll either have to kill
printloop before you log out or terminate ssh by typing ~..
What I'd like to do is update my .muttrc file and add a clock to the
status line. If I 'man muttrc', it tells me I can add %fmt to my
index_format line to show the current time. Anyone familiar with
mutt rc files? Can I add the %fmt to my status_format line? Any
other ideas to make activity on my screen to not drop the connection?
The variable is status_format, but it doesn't seem to support %fmt.
See the Mutt Manual at /usr/share/doc/mutt*/html/ or at
http://www.mutt.org/doc/manual/ .
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Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
Ok brand new a bad choice of words. Redhat is brand new. The box isn't. This is a file server in another city too far from here. I had to install Redhat 3 times to get it to work. The users were hanging over me, Is it done yet? And this was on a Saturday after I'd given them a weeks notice that it would be unavailable for a full day. STAY HOME. I got it running, made sure they were happy and came home. Now I'm trying to clean up the mess. Sigh. Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 08:59:47PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Hi, When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 box I get rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. Wait, an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 doesn't sound like a brand new Redhat 9.0 box. Don't tell me you tried to cross distros. Remember what happened in ghost busters when they crossed the streams? Bad Tings (TM) Cory EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Late to the Gentoo party
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 11:58:22AM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Cory Petkovsek wrote: qpkg works but is quite slow. Yes, without the -I flag, qpkg searches all of /usr/portage. But with -I, it runs quickly. (qpkg -I -v -nc ran in 0.25 seconds of real time on my box just now.) Indeed, it's much faster. Also note KBob's use of -nc, the no color option, very useful when redirecting output. Be careful with gentoo on a laptop. I have two laptops with gentoo on it. Laptop hardware is not designed to be running at 100% cpu utilization all the time, while a desktop could care less. Good point. My laptop has been a [EMAIL PROTECTED] client without damaging itself, and I'd use distcc to offload as much compiling as possible, but it's still a valid concern. Depends on the laptop I suppose. [EMAIL PROTECTED] has been running on my tecra 8000 (ok, it's only a 266 MHz pII, but ...) with the lid closed for 4 days. The tecra has good support under gentoo ... _everything_ works. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]planet CCRMA
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:39:00AM -0800, Patrick R. Wade wrote: No, you have to do an added step of # emerge inject package-category/package-name Thanks, I didn't think of that. But, I think I'm going to make ebuilds in PORTDIR_OVERLAY from the ccrma SRPMS, using existing ebuilds for packages that already exist. I've already made ebuilds for the latest ccrma kernel and jack-audio-connection-kit :) A question for portage hackers: Would I mess things up if I put all the ebuilds in, for example, media-ccrma, instead of the groups they already are in, like media-sound, and sys-kernel? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:59, Bob Crandell wrote: When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 box I get rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions Well, first of all I wouldn't use wu_ftpd. Redhat has (finally!) switched to vsftpd, which is likely to be a good deal more secure. I would try installing yum, available from http://linux.duke.edu/projects/yum/ -- and using it to install whatever it is you're looking for. It also does a nice job of auto-updating. Yum is the default updater in Fedora Linux, and is a good deal more robust than another, older product known as apt-rpm. This is something I cover in my classes. If you want more info, feel free to contact me. You might (or might not) also find my lecture slides useful. They're at http://www.peak.org/~mountainman/classnotes/3372/ClassNotes.html in the lecture notes for Session 2, towards the end. I also have an extra copy of the RedHat's RPM Guide (ISBN 0-7645-4965-0) that I'd be willing to trade for something nice, such as an AMD 550 processor. Ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
Ben Barrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm, maybe see if you're trying to upgrade an existing package, (by doing something like 'rpm -qa|grep ftpd') and if so, use the -U option for rpm instead of -i. AFAIK, -U can be used even for installs of new packages, so (if that's right) it could/should be used instead of -i anytime. I use -Uvh. rpm -Uvh wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions This .rpm is made for redhat 9.0. If I type rpm all by itself I get the same error. Also: is this .rpm file made for RedHat 9? It might be somewhat distro-dependent, if not... or maybe there's more cruft left over from mandrake. (You managed to upgrade a mandrake to redhat, using a CD and clicking upgrade?? nice, except for the headaches!) Also, if worse comes to worse, say if you can determine that there is a conflict with the existing package or other ones, remove whatever related stuff you can afford to remove, temporarily (rpm -e, but be careful, as it does not save backups as it uninstalls), do your install or upgrade, and then fix up your package set. For instance, to upgrade from redhat 7.x to 9, I had to remove a TON of packages, since I was using a lot of .fr2 (freshrpms) and .ximian (er, Novell) packages which made for horrible unresolvable conflicts until I erased all those outsourced ones, did the upgrade, then recovered based merely on a saved list of packages... my dvd reader still doesn't work again though, wah! I installed over the top of Mandrake. I didn't tell it to upgrade. How would I install rpm if the current rpm program is busted? regards, Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:59:47 + Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi, | | When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 | box I get | rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions | | This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. | | help. | | Thanks | Bob | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On 20031112.1424, Bob Miller said ... In a more serious vein, I have the same problem at TiVo, so I wrote this script, which I called printloop. #!/bin/sh while sleep 60 do echo -ne '\1' done When it runs, I see: ne \1 Show up on the screen. Server is FreeBSD. FreeBSD's echo doesn't have the 'e' flag, which allows for the escape characters. I tried using the escaped character insert mode in Vim. Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:24:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: You'll either have to kill printloop before you log out or terminate ssh by typing ~.. What does ~. do? I tried it on my command line in an ssh session but it said command not found. Nothing in the bash man page. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
Hey, I'm getting rid of my Mac work laptop and will soon be getting a new Stinkpad (T30 I believe). I have been out of the daily use Linux world for about a year or so, so I was wondering what thoughts folks would have on recommended distros for work purposes. I have been using mostly RedHat/Mandrake since about 1997 but am willing to change. I do a good amount of security testing with my laptops and a small amount of programming. Nothing real CPU intensive besides running VMWare for writing documents, etc. Not intended to be a flame/religious war, (feel free to turn it into one, though), but comments are appreciated. Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]RPM woes
Can you post an ls -l of /var/lib/rpm/ Garl -Original Message- From: Bob Crandell [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 3:18 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes Ben Barrett ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Hmm, maybe see if you're trying to upgrade an existing package, (by doing something like 'rpm -qa|grep ftpd') and if so, use the -U option for rpm instead of -i. AFAIK, -U can be used even for installs of new packages, so (if that's right) it could/should be used instead of -i anytime. I use -Uvh. rpm -Uvh wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions This .rpm is made for redhat 9.0. If I type rpm all by itself I get the same error. Also: is this .rpm file made for RedHat 9? It might be somewhat distro-dependent, if not... or maybe there's more cruft left over from mandrake. (You managed to upgrade a mandrake to redhat, using a CD and clicking upgrade?? nice, except for the headaches!) Also, if worse comes to worse, say if you can determine that there is a conflict with the existing package or other ones, remove whatever related stuff you can afford to remove, temporarily (rpm -e, but be careful, as it does not save backups as it uninstalls), do your install or upgrade, and then fix up your package set. For instance, to upgrade from redhat 7.x to 9, I had to remove a TON of packages, since I was using a lot of .fr2 (freshrpms) and .ximian (er, Novell) packages which made for horrible unresolvable conflicts until I erased all those outsourced ones, did the upgrade, then recovered based merely on a saved list of packages... my dvd reader still doesn't work again though, wah! I installed over the top of Mandrake. I didn't tell it to upgrade. How would I install rpm if the current rpm program is busted? regards, Ben On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:59:47 + Bob Crandell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: | Hi, | | When I type rpm -i wu-ftpd-2.6.2-12.i386.rpm on a brand new Redhat 9.0 | box I get | rpm: relocation error: rpm: undefined symbol: poptAliasOptions | | This is an upgrade from mandrake 7.2 that didn't go well. | | help. | | Thanks | Bob | ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On 20031112.1518, Rob Hudson said ... I tried using the escaped character insert mode in Vim. And it works! Thanks kbob. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
Neat idea; I tried it but it didn't work, the status_format command doesn't interpret the %fmt command the same as the index_format command, and even that doesn't update without some keyboard activity as far as I can tell. How about something silly like this: ping -i 840 myisp.net /dev/null mutt fg On 11/12/03 01pm, Rob Hudson wrote: At work, I leave an SSH session open to my server and run Mutt off the server. Recently, our worksite acquired a firewall that closes inactive sessions after 15 minutes. So if I don't get mail for 15 minutes and don't use the terminal, it drops me. What I'd like to do is update my .muttrc file and add a clock to the status line. If I 'man muttrc', it tells me I can add %fmt to my index_format line to show the current time. Anyone familiar with mutt rc files? Can I add the %fmt to my status_format line? Any other ideas to make activity on my screen to not drop the connection? Thanks, Rob ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On 20031112.1352, Patrick R. Wade said ... What are you using for the SSH client? You may be able to set it to send keepalives. I had a problem like you describe telecommuting from the Growers' Market to efn, and it went away when i set 2-minute keepalives in PuTTY. I'm using just straight OpenSSH. Man page doesn't mention any keep alives for it. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 01:35:12PM -0800, Rob Hudson wrote: At work, I leave an SSH session open to my server and run Mutt off the server. Recently, our worksite acquired a firewall that closes inactive sessions after 15 minutes. So if I don't get mail for 15 minutes and don't use the terminal, it drops me. What I'd like to do is update my .muttrc file and add a clock to the status line. If I 'man muttrc', it tells me I can add %fmt to my index_format line to show the current time. Anyone familiar with mutt rc files? Can I add the %fmt to my status_format line? Any other ideas to make activity on my screen to not drop the connection? Look at the keepalive option for ssh. It should be enabled by default. You may want to verify that it is working with a verbose option. For the mutt rc files, don't look at the man page, instead look at the manual: /usr/share/doc/mutt/manual.txt.gz I don't see %fmt as an option on status_format. Also look at a ping like utility that runs in the background. Perhaps something from the hping2 package to send invalid tcp/udp packets over the tunnel (this requires making ssh a tunnel instead of a terminal). Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
Maybe ~ followed by ^Z (control-z) is what he is going for here?
To suspend SSH, you need to put a tilde ('~') on a newline before doing
the usual control-Z to suspend the SSH connection (this is protection
for you, so that you can suspend another program running through SSH
without suspending SSH)... then you have to hard-kill the SSH
connection.
regards,
Ben
On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:38:18 -0800
Cory Petkovsek [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
| On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:24:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote:
| You'll either have to kill
| printloop before you log out or terminate ssh by typing ~..
|
| What does ~. do? I tried it on my command line in an ssh session but
| it said command not found. Nothing in the bash man page.
|
| Cory
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Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
man ssh_config in $HOME/.ssh/config KeepAlive yes On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 03:43 PM, Rob Hudson wrote: On 20031112.1352, Patrick R. Wade said ... What are you using for the SSH client? You may be able to set it to send keepalives. I had a problem like you describe telecommuting from the Growers' Market to efn, and it went away when i set 2-minute keepalives in PuTTY. I'm using just straight OpenSSH. Man page doesn't mention any keep alives for it. ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
Google (and Google Groups) is your friend: http://www.brandonhutchinson.com/OpenSSH_ClientAliveInterval.html http://ajmitch.dhis.org/devel/info/misc/vinces_guide_to_openssh.txt http://groups.google.com/groups?hl=enlr=lang_enie=UTF-8oe=utf-8threadm=m1lu271dlh4.fsf%40syrinx.oankali.netrnum=9prev=/groups%3Fnum%3D20%26hl%3Den%26lr%3Dlang_en%26ie%3DUTF-8%26oe%3Dutf-8%26q%3Dopenssh%2Bkeep%2Balive%26sa%3DN%26tab%3Dwg /jgw ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
Jason wrote: I'm getting rid of my Mac work laptop and will soon be getting a new Stinkpad (T30 I believe). I have been out of the daily use Linux world for about a year or so, so I was wondering what thoughts folks would have on recommended distros for work purposes. I have been using mostly RedHat/Mandrake since about 1997 but am willing to change. I do a good amount of security testing with my laptops and a small amount of programming. Nothing real CPU intensive besides running VMWare for writing documents, etc. VMware needs RAM more than it needs CPU power, I thought. How much time do you want to spend getting it just right? If you want to throw a CD at it and get on with your life, then install Debian through a KNOPPIX CD. The Debian advantage is that from then on, you'll be able to upgrade incrementally. There will be no big bang upgrades where half your apps stop working for a day or two while you sort everything out. If you install cron-apt (highly recommended), you'll even get email notification when it's time to update, especially the security updates. OTOH, if you want to abandon all semblance of a normal life and devote each of your remaining hours on this mortal plane to Linux maintenance, customization, and tweaking, go with Gentoo. (-: That's what I've done, and I don't regret it a bit. Seriously, if it's your first time, it could easily take a week to get Gentoo to a usable state. Debian/KNOPPIX (or Mandrake, Fedora, etc.) should be closer to an hour. But Gentoo does keep you on the cutting edge. I didn't have to go outside of Gentoo to get APM, DVD ripping, DVD playback (and lots of other video formats), 3D acceleration, and lots of other cool stuff (like a bunch of games I never play (-: ). I'm assuming you know your way around Linux enough that you're not intimidated by things like fdisk, editing /etc/fstab, or building a kernel. If that weren't the case, we'd be discussing Mandrake and Fedora. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
In Putty, the option is Sending of null packet to keep session alive
(seconds between keep alives)
Below is help info from Putty help doc. Maybe this will help you find an
option in OpenSSH.
Darren
If you find your sessions are closing unexpectedly ('Connection reset by
peer') after they have been idle for a while, you might want to try using
this option.
Some network routers and firewalls need to keep track of all connections
through them. Usually, these firewalls will assume a connection is dead if
no data is transferred in either direction after a certain time interval.
This can cause PuTTY sessions to be unexpectedly closed by the firewall if
no traffic is seen in the session for some time.
The keepalive option ('Seconds between keepalives') allows you to configure
PuTTY to send data through the session at regular intervals, in a way that
does not disrupt the actual terminal session. If you find your firewall is
cutting idle connections off, you can try entering a non-zero value in this
field. The value is measured in seconds; so, for example, if your firewall
cuts connections off after ten minutes then you might want to enter 300
seconds (5 minutes) in the box.
Note that keepalives are not always helpful. They help if you have a
firewall which drops your connection after an idle period; but if the
network between you and the server suffers from breaks in connectivity then
keepalives can actually make things worse. If a session is idle, and
connectivity is temporarily lost between the endpoints, but the connectivity
is restored before either side tries to send anything, then there will be no
problem - neither endpoint will notice that anything was wrong. However, if
one side does send something during the break, it will repeatedly try to
re-send, and eventually give up and abandon the connection. Then when
connectivity is restored, the other side will find that the first side
doesn't believe there is an open connection any more. Keepalives can make
this sort of problem worse, because they increase the probability that PuTTY
will attempt to send data during a break in connectivity. Therefore, you
might find they help connection loss, or you might find they make it worse,
depending on what kind of network problems you have between you and the
server.
Keepalives are only supported in Telnet and SSH; the Rlogin and Raw
protocols offer no way of implementing them.
Note that if you are using SSH1 and the server has a bug that makes it
unable to deal with SSH1 ignore messages, enabling keepalives will have no
effect.
- Original Message -
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Subject: Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On 20031112.1352, Patrick R. Wade said ...
What are you using for the SSH client? You may be able to set it to
send keepalives. I had a problem like you describe telecommuting from
the Growers' Market to efn, and it went away when i set 2-minute
keepalives in PuTTY.
I'm using just straight OpenSSH. Man page doesn't mention any keep
alives for it.
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[eug-lug]Re: New laptop - Distro recommendations (Bob Miller)
Thanks Bob. VMware needs RAM more than it needs CPU power, I thought. You're definitely right, I guess I should have said resource intensive. OTOH, if you want to abandon all semblance of a normal life and devote each of your remaining hours on this mortal plane to Linux maintenance, customization, and tweaking, go with Gentoo. (-: That's what I've done, and I don't regret it a bit. Is gentoo that bad? I don't mind putting in a bit of work, but since it is a work laptop, I mostly want to get going with a fairly small amount of downtime. But Gentoo does keep you on the cutting edge. I didn't have to go outside of Gentoo to get APM, DVD ripping, DVD playback (and lots of other video formats), 3D acceleration, and lots of other cool stuff (like a bunch of games I never play (-: ). Mostly will just need CD writing, wifi, USB, nothing too complicated. I'm assuming you know your way around Linux enough that you're not intimidated by things like fdisk, editing /etc/fstab, or building a kernel. If that weren't the case, we'd be discussing Mandrake and Fedora. Yeah, I usually rebuild the kernel as a first step. That way if I foobar anything, it's an easy rebuild w/o too much hoohah. Of course, my current laptop is a 2.2 kernel, so I am excited to get to 2.4, to say nothing about 2.6. Old school baby. I was leaning toward debian and will probably give that a shot, tho I am interested in Gentoo. I may save this until I eventually by a new desktop for personal use. Jason __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:38:18PM -0800, Cory Petkovsek wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:24:54PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: You'll either have to kill printloop before you log out or terminate ssh by typing ~.. What does ~. do? I tried it on my command line in an ssh session but it said command not found. Nothing in the bash man page. Cory ~ is the default escape character (presumably inheirited from rsh, which inheirited it from cu, which predates ~ for the home directory). ~. is the shortand for end-session. It must occur at the beginning of a line. There are others, like ~, which is just sending a job control signal to your local ssh client. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop - Distro recommendations (Bob Miller)
Jason wrote: Yeah, I usually rebuild the kernel as a first step. That way if I foobar anything, it's an easy rebuild w/o too much hoohah. One of the nice things about the default Gentoo kernel is that it has a file, /proc/config. It's a copy of the .config file the kernel was built with. Very convenient when you're upgrading the kernel. It's a patch for 2.4 (I think it's in vanilla 2.6), and I don't like to bother with patches, so Gentoo is the only place I've ever seen it. As for how difficult Gentoo is, take a look at the x86 install guide. When you complete this doc, you're ready to start installing X, Gnome or KDE, Mozilla, OO.o, etc. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml I will stand by my estimate of a week. -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:18:43PM -0800, Ben Barrett wrote: I helped a co-worker do a Knoppix install on his Dell 5100 and noticed that the *unstable* apt sources were in there by default. Ack? Yes; most everyone is using either those or testing. I was using stable, wherein begins a rant. I have a Synaptics touchpad on my laptop. I want to be able to use the mouse either in the console or in X. GPM, the mouse server program, supports a repeater mode. Unfortunately the version of GPM in debian-stable is several revs old, and does not repeat fully the protocol for the mouse which i have. I tried it in raw mode, and while i could indeed mouse in X, it did not have things like movement acceleration, so i would creep across the desktop. I examined the website of the GPM maintainer, and found that the latest GPM would correctly repeat a Synaptics touchpad, and moreover supported tuning of nice features like edge-scrolling that i never expected to work outside of Windoze. Having heard that a new release of Debian was due out before 2004, i went to the website and queried the web interface for the package information about GPM in the testing branch, which will become the stable branch. It was told that the version number of the GPM in that release will be a higher one than the one in stable, but will still not be up to the version that supports my mouse. This event was trivial enough in itself, the more so in that i was able to download the maintainer's tarball and build a current GPM, but it was symptomatic of the increasingly creaky Debian release system. It needs to change, perhaps along the lines of Joseph's vision for the package pools, before it becomes entirely antiquated. -- That time in Seattle... was a nightmare. I came out of it dead broke, without a house, without anything except a girlfriend and a knowledge of UNIX. Well, that's something, Avi says. Normally those two are mutually exclusive.--Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
[eug-lug]SCOutrage o' the day
http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5106450.html?tag=nefd_top me too subpoena -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 12:47 pm, jgw wrote: : FYI, beginning this month, MS changed to announcing/releasing critical : update security patches only on the second Tuesday of each month. : : If this is true, this plan isn't going to last long. Any hack victim would : have a heyday in court if it could prove that Microsoft knowingly knew : about an exploit, and held onto an announcement/patch for a month. You mean like the port exploit the the blaster worm uses ? I think they knew about the issue 2 years ago! This is a common piece of FUD spread by the anti-Microsoft crowd. The patch for that vulnerability was issued nearly a month before Blaster. I believe Blaster first showed up around August 11th. The patch in question, MS03-026, came out in mid-July... the 16th? The worm was relatively successful not because Microsoft hadn't yet issued a patch, it was successful due to lazy sysadmins not patching their systems in a timely manner. Certainly, not a Windows 2000-specific issue. This same bit of FUD was spread about the Slammer worm and it's associated vulnerability. The patch for that vulnerability was patched some 5 months before the Slammer worm appeared. That patch was quite difficult to install, however. Microsoft kind of rushed that one out. Regardless, the patch was included in the next service pack, which I believe, was a month or so before the Slammer worm came out. Thus, users had two chances to patch their systems for that one. /jgw ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]mail over ssh
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 03:59:47PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Cory Petkovsek wrote: What does ~. do? I tried it on my command line in an ssh session but it said command not found. Nothing in the bash man page. Look in ssh(1). Tells ssh to disconnect. You have to type it at the beginning of a line or ssh just passes it on. Ah, now it works. Neato! Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]SCOutrage o' the day
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 05:04:23PM -0800, Larry Price wrote: http://news.com.com/2100-7344_3-5106450.html?tag=nefd_top me too subpoena Now, Larry, don't go indulging in subpoenas envy... -- Mine is similar to Mike Andrews's; ten inches long, three inches wide, but white enamel instead of yellow, and somewhat rare ... -- Steve VanDevender in a Monastery DSW ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:37:17PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Ok brand new a bad choice of words. Redhat is brand new. The box isn't. What I was getting at was did you install redhat over the top of mandrake or did you wipe it? They way you said it sounded like the former. This is a file server in another city too far from here. I had to install Redhat 3 times to get it to work. If you have to install so many times and now you are getting this message after a clean install, I would immediately suspect a hardware problem. First thing: recompile the kernel. You don't need to use it, but the kernel compile will put the system through a pretty good test of processor and memory. Use a stable kernel and look out for any breaks in the compile process. They'll usually come as signal 11. Next try some tests of the disk system. Put on a large file of real or random data (600mb) and get an md5 sum of it. Then copy it around several places on the disk and get an md5 sum of the others. If you get disk errors or different md5 sums, obviously there is a disk/controller problem. Monitor the kernel log. I have a few problems on my workstation right now. VNC freezes my console occasionally. Since I use it daily it is a daily crash. Sshd works, but it is quite annoying. I'll be replacing the video card to test. Also my debian package management files keep getting corrupted. Occasionally I can no longer delete some files. I suspect the disk controller. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]New laptop - Distro recommendations
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 02:36:08PM -0800, Jason wrote: Hey, I'm getting rid of my Mac work laptop and will soon be getting a new Stinkpad (T30 I believe). I have been out of the daily use Linux world for about a year or so, so I was wondering what thoughts folks would have on recommended distros for work purposes. I have been using mostly RedHat/Mandrake since about 1997 but am willing to change. Thinkpads are usually pretty standard hardware. I'd go with debian. Don't bother with gentoo, it's not good for laptops because of intense processing. However the cutting edge hardware support is great. Because of this I'd only run gentoo on a laptop with cutting edge hardware, like the dell that I have. With a thinkpad, I'd go debian. I also hear good things about libranet, a debian based commercial distro. Supposedly they keep things up to date, which may mean more up to date than debian-stable. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 01:34:18AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Not any more. ls now says: ls: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_2.3' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6) ls: /lib/ld-linux.so.2: version `GLIBC_PRIVATE' not found (required by /lib/tls/libc.so.6) Have I ever mentioned I hate Redhat? I opened another session to see if I could login. No. If I loose this session I'm toast. This computer is in Newport. Sigh. Ouch, I'd say you are already toast. I think you have a hardware problem. This doesn't happen on a new install. Don't hate redhat, it'd happen on slack too. Get the kernel log. That information is quite valuable as it may tell you what is going wrong. You don't want to reinstall on a faulty system just to go through it all again. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop - Distro recommendations (Bob Miller)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:29:15PM -0800, Jason wrote: Is gentoo that bad? I don't mind putting in a bit of work, but since it is a work laptop, I mostly want to get going with a fairly small amount of downtime. Don't do it. Consider which is more effective for your time, a source based distro or a pre-compiled binary distro. Oops, didn't install netcat? Need ethereal NOW? Where did that tcpdump get to? apt-get install them at the speed of bandwidth or emerge them at the speed of compilation Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
I'm not convinced it's hardware. There weren't any symptons before I started and this last bit was because I was trying to fix rpm's dependancies. Thanks. Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:37:17PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Ok brand new a bad choice of words. Redhat is brand new. The box isn't. What I was getting at was did you install redhat over the top of mandrake or did you wipe it? They way you said it sounded like the former. This is a file server in another city too far from here. I had to install Redhat 3 times to get it to work. If you have to install so many times and now you are getting this message after a clean install, I would immediately suspect a hardware problem. First thing: recompile the kernel. You don't need to use it, but the kernel compile will put the system through a pretty good test of processor and memory. Use a stable kernel and look out for any breaks in the compile process. They'll usually come as signal 11. Next try some tests of the disk system. Put on a large file of real or random data (600mb) and get an md5 sum of it. Then copy it around several places on the disk and get an md5 sum of the others. If you get disk errors or different md5 sums, obviously there is a disk/controller problem. Monitor the kernel log. I have a few problems on my workstation right now. VNC freezes my console occasionally. Since I use it daily it is a daily crash. Sshd works, but it is quite annoying. I'll be replacing the video card to test. Also my debian package management files keep getting corrupted. Occasionally I can no longer delete some files. I suspect the disk controller. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
RE: [eug-lug]RPM woes
What it sounded like to me was a out of date rpm database. Mandrake 7.2 used RPM v3.somthingorotherithinkitwas.0.5 (another indian name), while Redhat 9 used 4.2. If you did do an upgrade from Mandrake to Redhat (you are braver than I) then it is probably an issue of an out of date db. There are ways to rebuild it, but not if you can get a shell Good luck. Garl -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bob Crandell Sent: Wednesday, November 12, 2003 6:18 PM To: The Eugene Unix and GNU/Linux User Group's mail list Subject: Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes I'm not convinced it's hardware. There weren't any symptons before I started and this last bit was because I was trying to fix rpm's dependancies. Thanks. Cory Petkovsek ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 10:37:17PM +, Bob Crandell wrote: Ok brand new a bad choice of words. Redhat is brand new. The box isn't. What I was getting at was did you install redhat over the top of mandrake or did you wipe it? They way you said it sounded like the former. This is a file server in another city too far from here. I had to install Redhat 3 times to get it to work. If you have to install so many times and now you are getting this message after a clean install, I would immediately suspect a hardware problem. First thing: recompile the kernel. You don't need to use it, but the kernel compile will put the system through a pretty good test of processor and memory. Use a stable kernel and look out for any breaks in the compile process. They'll usually come as signal 11. Next try some tests of the disk system. Put on a large file of real or random data (600mb) and get an md5 sum of it. Then copy it around several places on the disk and get an md5 sum of the others. If you get disk errors or different md5 sums, obviously there is a disk/controller problem. Monitor the kernel log. I have a few problems on my workstation right now. VNC freezes my console occasionally. Since I use it daily it is a daily crash. Sshd works, but it is quite annoying. I'll be replacing the video card to test. Also my debian package management files keep getting corrupted. Occasionally I can no longer delete some files. I suspect the disk controller. Cory EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
On Thu, Nov 13, 2003 at 02:18:12AM +, Bob Crandell wrote: I'm not convinced it's hardware. There weren't any symptons before I started and this last bit was because I was trying to fix rpm's dependancies. Thanks. No symptoms? 3 installs to get it to work? Did those dependencies include libc? Yes: ok. No: you got problems. Cory -- Cory Petkovsek Adapting Information Adaptable IT ConsultingTechnology to your (541) 914-8417 business [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.AdaptableIT.com ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
Grigsby, Garl wrote: What it sounded like to me was a out of date rpm database. Mandrake 7.2 used RPM v3.somthingorotherithinkitwas.0.5 (another indian name), while Redhat 9 used 4.2. If you did do an upgrade from Mandrake to Redhat (you are braver than I) then it is probably an issue of an out of date db. There are ways to rebuild it, but not if you can get a shell Good luck. Did you really do that, Bob? If you started with Mandrake 7,2 and upgraded it to RedHat 9, then you might as well wipe the disk now. OTOH, if you had a disk with Mandrake 7.2, and you wiped Mandrake to install RH9, then something else is wrong. (It might still be a good idea to start over, though.) -- Bob Miller Kbob kbobsoft software consulting http://kbobsoft.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]new disk in old server
Um, here I am. You shouldn't have any real trouble booting off your PCI card. As long as the BIOS sees it as a boot device you're in good hands. Linux will just see your drives as /dev/hde or higher. As for booting from SCSI it loads the drivers during the boot. The SCSI BIOS handles getting the drive going. Linux just needs to know where it is from there (ie: /dev/sda). As for attaining full UDMA 100, keep dreaming. Unless you're striping a couple drives with 8Mb cache you'll never see near that performance. Kbob achieved over 90Mb/s that way. On average a 2Mb cache drive will yield about 40Mb/s and an 8Mb cache drive will yield upwards of 60Mb/s by itself. As for myself, I'm using a huge 160GB drive and do use lba32 for booting since WinXP is on the first 30GB. If your BIOS actually sees 20GB then it should see at least 32GB. In most systems that was the next barrier after 8GB. You may just need to 'fdisk' the drive to see how much the OS sees and experiment. That be all from me for now. Hope it's helpful. Mr O. --- Bob Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hmm. I've just never used a card to boot my systems. If one has SCSI, how does Linux load the kernel if it needs SCSI drivers to read from the device? I'd imagine a UDMA PCI card would be similar. Mr. O will eventually check his mail and tell us the right answer, but in the meantime, we amateurs get to guess. I don't think your PC is old enough to be limited to 20 GB disks. Check the Large Disk HOWTO, especially section 5.1, LILO and the `lba32' and 'linear' options. Also see section 5.4. http://www.tldp.org/HOWTO/Large-Disk-HOWTO.html __ Do you Yahoo!? Protect your identity with Yahoo! Mail AddressGuard http://antispam.yahoo.com/whatsnewfree ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]Re: New laptop - Distro recommendations (Bob Miller)
On Wed, Nov 12, 2003 at 04:40:05PM -0800, Bob Miller wrote: Jason wrote: Yeah, I usually rebuild the kernel as a first step. That way if I foobar anything, it's an easy rebuild w/o too much hoohah. One of the nice things about the default Gentoo kernel is that it has a file, /proc/config. It's a copy of the .config file the kernel was built with. Very convenient when you're upgrading the kernel. It's a patch for 2.4 (I think it's in vanilla 2.6), and I don't like to bother with patches, so Gentoo is the only place I've ever seen it. As for how difficult Gentoo is, take a look at the x86 install guide. When you complete this doc, you're ready to start installing X, Gnome or KDE, Mozilla, OO.o, etc. http://www.gentoo.org/doc/en/gentoo-x86-install.xml I will stand by my estimate of a week. Eh, I don't know about that. One _could_ do a GRP install. I build packages for my laptop on my desktop. I think gentoo is a fabulous laptop distro. It always takes a little time just to learn the nuances of a distro, though ... and I guess I'm used to doing everything myself from using OpenBSD ... -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]GNU-Darwin ISOs available at this weeks clinic
Larry Price wrote: I just started the download. x86 is the only ISO available at this time. -- You are the eventuality of an anomaly , which despite my sincerest efforts I have been unable to eliminate from what is otherwise a harmony of mathematical precision. -The Architect Microsoft has resolved this issue. We have put processes in place to ensure there is no recurrence of this eventuality. -Microsoft ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug What version is I might already have it John F ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]'nuther reason
On Wednesday 12 November 2003 17:20, jgw wrote: The patch for that vulnerability was issued nearly a month before Blaster. I believe Blaster first showed up around August 11th. The patch in question, MS03-026, came out in mid-July... the 16th? The worm was relatively successful not because Microsoft hadn't yet issued a patch, it was successful due to lazy sysadmins not patching their systems in a timely manner. Lazy sysadmins? I beg to differ. How about overworked sysadmins? I was once in charge of a 'Doze network and there was no way I could keep current with the patches. Before one patch project was complete, there were two more vulnerabilities that needed patching. And patching M$ systems isn't exactly quick or easy with all of the testing that must be done first, not to mention trying to schedule the patch around various or department's schedules. I could have worked full-time at that place doing nothing else -- but I was required to do everything else. The problem isn't lazy sysadmins, unless not wanting to work 70 hours per week is your definition of lazy. Ken ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
Re: [eug-lug]RPM woes
I know. I'm bad. Just let this be a leason to you. Don't cut corners. The longer I think about the more I'm hoping Cory isn't right about sick hardware. I'll know in the morning. Thanks Bob Miller ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) wrote: Grigsby, Garl wrote: What it sounded like to me was a out of date rpm database. Mandrake 7.2 used RPM v3.somthingorotherithinkitwas.0.5 (another indian name), while Redhat 9 used 4.2. If you did do an upgrade from Mandrake to Redhat (you are braver than I) then it is probably an issue of an out of date db. There are ways to rebuild it, but not if you can get a shell Good luck. Did you really do that, Bob? If you started with Mandrake 7,2 and upgraded it to RedHat 9, then you might as well wipe the disk now. OTOH, if you had a disk with Mandrake 7.2, and you wiped Mandrake to install RH9, then something else is wrong. (It might still be a good idea to start over, though.) [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug -- Assured Computing When you need to be sure. [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.assuredcomp.com Voice - 541-868-0331 FAX - 541-463-1627 Eugene, Oregon ___ EuG-LUG mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.efn.org/cgi-bin/listinfo/eug-lug
